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Aries Acheron
The Valour
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Posted - 2007.04.01 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Eiidmac
Originally by: Dashhammer II Edited by: Dashhammer II on 31/03/2007 09:49:02 Alright, I can understand that. But then why all the hate? Coalition peeps accuse Bob of GM intervention on a daily basis. If they are simply attacking to have fun, then why does it matter who wins?
The reason it matters who wins is because individuals have personal pride. No one likes to lose. Even if you are a good sport and lose with grace; you still wished you won. Its likes children who play little league sports. People keep score because of pride.
Originally by: Dashhammer II I can definately appreciate 'waging a war for the fun of it'. But let us not forget that D2 ended a couple of wars just so that they could attack Bob. If all the coalition is after is a bit of pewpew then why did they halt a war so that they could attack Bob?
CCP admitted that one of its staff gave them a Titan and some T2 BPO. I believe that not all the items were taken back from them, so they profited from there cheating. CCP should have banned all the accounts of each CEO in the BOB alliance to send a stronger message.
Wrong. They never got a Titan. That's a complete Lie.
what BoB did get from the actions of one Dev, ONE... was a Sabre BPO (okay), and a couple of crappy T2 ammo prints.
Now, I am against the Coalition. Not for particular love of BoB, but rather indifference to them. Rather, the Coalition harbors the 'real' people who've been cheating and doing borderline exploits for ages. Red Alliance, the infamous Complex Mafia, and Goonswarm, the 'let's make fun of dead eve players' and 'Our goal is to grief our enemies into quitting' alliance. I think many others thing the same way, particularly LV's bloc. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S
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Posted - 2007.04.01 02:23:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Helen
Originally by: scabbsssjr Almost two months ago and what has changed? The coalition lost a MS (IAC), a titan, countless BS, 40-50 dreads in one fight, another MS (RA), and possibly a third MS if you count stk as coalition. Quote:
I'd prefer it if you used STK-S rather than stk also no we aren't in a coalition but that could change if you keep typing my corp ticker wrong.
I always forget the S on it. When I see stk I think of halo 2. ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Kenneys
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.01 02:24:00 -
[93]
Simple really..
BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something.
It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm.
So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time.
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Dashhammer II
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.01 02:49:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Kenneys Simple really..
BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something.
It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm.
So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time.
That sounds like a George Bush thing to say. "Country X could have attacked us so we attacked them first!" I would make a case that they had no intentions of attacking the north but I fear it would be too similiar to why Iraq had no intention of attacking the US. If BOB plans on conquering eve then they are seriously taking thier time doing it.
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Stanis
Gallente 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.01 02:54:00 -
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This is a video game. You have 3 powerfull blocks. 2 band together to attack the third. It HAD to happen. Whater you fight on my side bcs you hate BoB or bcs you love me is not important.
When you have superpowers anywhere, and especialy in a game this kind of scenario is bound to happen. And that's all it is, 3 superpowers fighting for dominance. Everything else is propaganda.
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.01 03:03:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Dashhammer II
Originally by: Kenneys Simple really..
BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something.
It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm.
So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time.
That sounds like a George Bush thing to say. "Country X could have attacked us so we attacked them first!" I would make a case that they had no intentions of attacking the north but I fear it would be too similiar to why Iraq had no intention of attacking the US. If BOB plans on conquering eve then they are seriously taking thier time doing it.
I hate to break it to you, but BoB actually attacked first in this war, engaging the Redswarm Federation in defense of LV. The North decided that BoB was going to attack them eventually anyways and joined with RSF to try to take out BoB first.
Nobody seriously contests the fact that BoB will keep attacking people until it either dies or runs out of targets. It's not some kind of sinister evil plot by BoB to conquer EvE, it's just the fact that BoB likes to pvp against enemy alliances, and they will keep doing so in order to have fun.
People's motivations in a game like this are always varied and complicated, but I find it quite easy to see why each side is fighting this war, and none of them are bad people for it (Expect for the one Dev who made the very poor decision). I honestly find it hard to believe that your line of questioning in this thread is sincere. You seem to simply be belittling the motivations of the other side in an attempt to break their resolve.
If I was in in BoB, I'd want to fight this war. If I was in another alliance with significant territorial ambitions, I'd want to join the coalition. If I was in an alliance who's game goals do not include fully independent territorial control (which is perfectly legitimate), then I would want to pick a side and help them in order to rent space afterwards. It's pretty easy to explain this war if you put yourself in the shoes of the people involved.
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Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2007.04.01 04:36:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi
People's motivations in a game like this are always varied and complicated, but I find it quite easy to see why each side is fighting this war, and none of them are bad people for it (Expect for the one Dev who made the very poor decision). I honestly find it hard to believe that your line of questioning in this thread is sincere.
Thank you, Raivi, for providing the closest thing this thread has to a voice of reason.
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Mortuus
Minmatar Oblivion's Gate
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Posted - 2007.04.01 04:43:00 -
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Originally by: Breisies
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because
They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief
Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target.
You defend Bob because
You are weak
agreed
Best post ever considering I watched RA exploiting complexes for months. Then again, I suppose for some cheating is only bad if someone on the other side does it.
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Dashhammer II
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.01 04:48:00 -
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Originally by: Raivi You seem to simply be belittling the motivations of the other side in an attempt to break their resolve.
If I was in in BoB, I'd want to fight this war. If I was in another alliance with significant territorial ambitions, I'd want to join the coalition. If I was in an alliance who's game goals do not include fully independent territorial control (which is perfectly legitimate), then I would want to pick a side and help them in order to rent space afterwards. It's pretty easy to explain this war if you put yourself in the shoes of the people involved.
I hope I don't sound like I am belittling anyone. Please believe it is not my intention. I also have no intention of trying to 'Break the resolve' of the coalition. If thats even possible.
I've posed this question becuase I've recently gotten the impression that (much like what people have been saying in this thread) there is no reason for the war. It appears, both here in the forums as well as in game, that the majority of the coalition is fighting 'just for the fun of it'.
The reasoning that you gave however, is a bit of a fresh perspective. Territorial ambitions and oppertunistic corperations, these explanations denote greed. It is a possibility that is well with in the scope of what has happened. Perhaps the problem that SOME D2 allies have had is not so much the expansionistic habits of BOB but rather the diplomatic ties it has (or had) with alliances that the coalition wanted to conquer. Namely LV. You yourself even said 'Bob attacked us while we were all attacking LV, how dare they.'
These personalities with in the coalition, whomever they may be, are probably sick of BOB presence simply becuase they limit expansion by protecting thier allies. This would imply that the coalition is not just 'pewpewing for the fun of it'. This would imply deep diplomatic tensions. Am I way off base here? Please correct me if you have information that runs counter to this.
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Kingdoc
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.04.01 04:49:00 -
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Two quick points: One, these are my veiws and mine alone, not my corps nor anybody elseÆs. Two, everything that follows is moot because the only true answers are on the battlefield. I know that statement will come back to haunt me.
Ok, soà A dev may have helped BoB in the past acquire one or more objects in game that helped BoB. Big deal, if you feel that strongly about it then go protest in front of a casino or anywhere else the house has an advantage. Life isnÆt fare, get used to it. Also, from what I gather that dev has been dealt with internally at CCP. I also understand that some or all of the ill gotten booty has been removed from BoB. So its over, let it go. How would you like it if you screwed up at work and someone threw it in your face every day for months?
ôBut so-and-so in BoB said they were going to take over eve!!ö yeaà so? IsnÆt that the point of a game? To win? If D2 or AAA or IAC or the Goons thought they could take over all of 0.0 do you think they wouldnÆt try? Do you really believe if BoB is destroyed that the coalition will give every noob with a mining laser and a dream a shot at an 0.0 belt? Gorrilabiscuts! They would defend there space just as aggressively as BoB is now from attackers in any form. If BoB were to fall the coalition will go right back to fighting there old wars and every BoB member in empire will laugh themselves silly with chants of ôsee! I told you so!ö so in a way even if BoB looses they win anyway. In a more abstract way the more the collation fights they more they prove BoB right. (I could say ôyouÆre already dead but donÆt know it yetö but that would make ma a fanboi right?)
ôBut BoB is making other players do there work. There making other players there pets/slaves and were fighting to free them!!ö what if they donÆt want to be free? Were you too busy saddling up your high horse to think of that? When my corp was ready to venture into 0.0 space we had many conversations with many 0.0 corps/alliances. The only one that did not ask us to die defending there space was BoB. While others demanded that we patrol/gatecamp/ect and risk our butts to defend there space BoB made a business offer that was straightforward and simple. X ISK per week for X rights. We took it and it turned out to be beneficial on both ends. It is my understanding the most if not all corps that rent from BoB have the same deal. On that note do you relay expect me to believe that the major southern and northern alliances offer mining and ratting rights, use of stations and the right to put up POSÆs at no cost ( in time or ISK or combat) to the asking corp? If you do then hell! Sign me up! You hypocrites have just as many slaves/pets as BoB does. DonÆt fool yourselves with your holier than thou rhetoric.
ôBut I shot at BoB because the game is PvP based and I like to shoot things!!ö wellà o.k. then. No argument from me there.
BoB gave me and my corp a fair chance in 0.0. They said ôhere, for you rent you can hang out here and do what you want. Just donÆt medal in our affairs and treat it like any other 0.0 space, cover your own butt. And we did. For that fair shake they gave us I give them a world of respect and thanks.
From what I can see the for all the collations pandering and saber rattling they have A: taken no space from BoB (or FIX or any other pet/slave for that matter. You guys canÆt even beat BoBs ôpetsö?) B: thrown a major force into a battle just to have it beaten down. A lost carrier/dred is still a big loss no matter how fast you can recoup it. C: made more people dislike them with there blunt hatred in COAD. ( 60 or so may be posting but hundreds of players are reading) and D: spun there wheels and gone nowhere even when they did have the chance due to poor command.
*** the following may be out of line, mods feel free to snip*** I see the coalition kinda like the Americans ôliberatingö (blowing up) the Iraqis (pets/slaves) and ôsecuring (sovrenty)ö there oilfields (10/10 plexÆs).
I canÆt believe I took the time to write all this à I feel dirty, IÆm going to shower.
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Dashhammer II
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.01 04:55:00 -
[101]
Alright alright, lets calm down here kingdoc. We were being all civil and then ya like freaked out at the end there. Lets take it down a notch. Drop the name calling.
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Kingdoc
Phoenix Knights
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Posted - 2007.04.01 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dashhammer II Alright alright, lets calm down here kingdoc. We were being all civil and then ya like freaked out at the end there. Lets take it down a notch. Drop the name calling.
The feel free to snip part? or am I to sleepy to understand scarcasam (or spelling) ================================== Wars of aggression are popular nowadays with those nations convinced that only victory and conquest could improve their material well-being. ~Ludwig von Mises |
Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.01 05:45:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Raivi on 01/04/2007 05:41:55
Originally by: Dashhammer II
Originally by: Raivi You seem to simply be belittling the motivations of the other side in an attempt to break their resolve.
If I was in in BoB, I'd want to fight this war. If I was in another alliance with significant territorial ambitions, I'd want to join the coalition. If I was in an alliance who's game goals do not include fully independent territorial control (which is perfectly legitimate), then I would want to pick a side and help them in order to rent space afterwards. It's pretty easy to explain this war if you put yourself in the shoes of the people involved.
I hope I don't sound like I am belittling anyone. Please believe it is not my intention. I also have no intention of trying to 'Break the resolve' of the coalition. If thats even possible.
I've posed this question becuase I've recently gotten the impression that (much like what people have been saying in this thread) there is no reason for the war. It appears, both here in the forums as well as in game, that the majority of the coalition is fighting 'just for the fun of it'.
The reasoning that you gave however, is a bit of a fresh perspective. Territorial ambitions and oppertunistic corperations, these explanations denote greed. It is a possibility that is well with in the scope of what has happened. Perhaps the problem that SOME D2 allies have had is not so much the expansionistic habits of BOB but rather the diplomatic ties it has (or had) with alliances that the coalition wanted to conquer. Namely LV. You yourself even said 'Bob attacked us while we were all attacking LV, how dare they.'
These personalities with in the coalition, whomever they may be, are probably sick of BOB presence simply becuase they limit expansion by protecting thier allies. This would imply that the coalition is not just 'pewpewing for the fun of it'. This would imply deep diplomatic tensions. Am I way off base here? Please correct me if you have information that runs counter to this.
One thing to keep in mind is that political activities in EvE will always be very different from real world politics because EvE is a game in which little can be actually lost and people's lives cannot be lost or ruined. Much of the activities in this game can be accurately described as "pew pew for the fun of it", as that is how people gain enjoyment from the game.
People who simply enjoy pvp for fun tend to end up in pirate groups or small scale pvp operations, ranging from a few friends pvping together to larger and more powerful pvp groups like 0utbreak. These groups do not enjoy POS wars, territory control, or long boring gatecamps, they gain their enjoyment from pvp for it's own sake and testing themselves against opponents in small roaming fleets.
Other groups gain their enjoyment from primarily industrial and financial pursuits. They enjoy the economic side of the game primarily and prefer not to fight themselves. Some people in this group stay in empire, while others move to 0.0, usually by either joining an alliance that has pvp based corps and industrial corps, or by working alongside a more PVP oriented territory holding alliance through various forms of rental or other agreements.
This brings us to people who enjoy taking advantage of the specific opportunities that 0.0 has to offer for territory control, outpost building and large scale alliance warfare. These groups are often referred to as "playing to win". They like using every opportunity they can to defeat opponents on multiple levels, through tactical pvp, strategic resource management, industrial power and infrastructure, diplomacy, and metagaming (Using unusual tactics that have not been officially labeled exploits, spying, infiltration, propaganda, all of these are perfectly valid ways to play the game. There is nothing wrong with using the game rules that we've been given and using it to your advantage, something that many successful groups inculding BoB and RA participate in).
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.01 05:45:00 -
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(Continuing my post because I ran out of space)
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TornSoul
BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.01 05:53:00 -
[105]
Originally by: En'no Gyoja It's all a matter of history coming back to nip BoB in the butt.
To me the reasons for attacking BoB are the same that we're used by BoB when they attacked and conquered FA in Fountain.
We asked ourselves the same questions then: why the hate?
Looking back upon those days, it was a matter of FA growing too big for it's own shoes, and a certain amount of jealousy from the rest of the universe for FA's economic powers.
Now, BoB is facing the same situation imo, though things might be different in detail.
Yup - It's really that simple.
Anyone (doesnt matter who) growing to "super-power" status will (eventually) get targeted.
BIG Lottery
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Raivi
Explosion Matrix
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Posted - 2007.04.01 06:06:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Dashhammer II
The reasoning that you gave however, is a bit of a fresh perspective. Territorial ambitions and oppertunistic corperations, these explanations denote greed. It is a possibility that is well with in the scope of what has happened. Perhaps the problem that SOME D2 allies have had is not so much the expansionistic habits of BOB but rather the diplomatic ties it has (or had) with alliances that the coalition wanted to conquer. Namely LV. You yourself even said 'Bob attacked us while we were all attacking LV, how dare they.'
I just want to point out two more things.
First, I believe that greed is a hard concept to apply to a game world such as this one, where traditional morality does not really apply. In a world where nothing is really lost when you hurt someone else for your own gain, people who would normally give everything they can to the poor will often do what it takes to get ahead at the expense of others. With nothing significant to lose, the world of EvE offers a much purer vision of true capitalism that the real world can ever actually contain.
Secondly, BoB and LV were closer to enemies then friends before this recent war started. BoB was not acting in defense of it's allies, as LV was very very far from being an ally. Band of Brothers decided that the Redswarm Federation was the most challenging target for them to fight. And since fighting challenging alliances is how they enjoy this game, they decided to go to war. I assume that they decided to act in defense of LV because it was the safest option from their perspective. It would allow them to gain the aid of a strong alliance in LV in what I'm sure they hoped would be one of their biggest wars yet. The possibility of the North joining in would not have escaped them either, so coming to the aid of a former enemy and gaining an ally would be helpful in the most dangerous potential scenario.
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Father Weebles
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.04.01 06:15:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because
They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief
Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target.
You defend Bob because
You are weak
how bout the northern and southern coalition outnumbering bob + allies by 3:1...so lemme ask you, who's more of a coward?
"Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.04.01 06:20:00 -
[108]
everyone loves a good dose of pvp and what better dose than a large scale war?
we play this game for the freinds we play this game for the drama we play this game for the fights we play this game for the rush
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.01 06:50:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Father Weebles how bout the northern and southern coalition outnumbering bob + allies by 3:1...so lemme ask you, who's more of a coward?
Alts talking about cowardice. Atleast the coalition posts with their mains
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Mned Graydroggen
Satal's Legion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.01 09:38:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Dashhammer II
Originally by: Kenneys Simple really..
BoB plans on world domination. And is pretty much close to achieving it. After ASCN fell, BoB gets bored.. and needs to attack something.
It's either north, or the russians, or goonswarm.
So these three had a choice.. band together and take out bob, or wait for bob to take them out one at a time.
That sounds like a George Bush thing to say. "Country X could have attacked us so we attacked them first!" I would make a case that they had no intentions of attacking the north but I fear it would be too similiar to why Iraq had no intention of attacking the US. If BOB plans on conquering eve then they are seriously taking thier time doing it.
Since you quote rl. The pre-emptive strike was not concived by GWB. It's a most natural thing. Wilderbeast kill lions pups when given the oppertunity since if they are allowed to grow up they will pose a serious thread to the Wilderbeast community. I my self this morning killed a few ant scouts ( sry bout that little brothers ) because if they where to report to their hive that I didnt clean my sink, the whole horde would come.
Anyway rl aside. Kudos to CCP for creating a game that allows for so much depth in player interaction to evolve. .
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Kai Jyokoroi
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.01 09:42:00 -
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B-because... Eve is a spaceship game, and just maybe, people want to shoot each other with spaceships in said spaceship game?
WTS to OP: Sense of perspective _____________ WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. RESISTANCE IS VOLTAGE OVER CURRENT.
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David H'Levi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2007.04.01 10:26:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Dashhammer II Why is D2/G alliance/Iron/Pheonix Alliance whatever you want to call them, why are they trying this AGAIN?! This is like the 4th time in 4 years and it didn't work the last 3 times. If the coalition is defeated, will D2 be back in a year with a new name?
The North: Wow, did you see BoB smash ASCN? And the Goons? And TRUST? And G? And FIX? Et cetera, et cetera. Looks like they're going around attacking every big alliance for fun... Hrm!
OHGOD: Yeah... BoB said that we'd get smashed if we ever tried to build up in 0.0 again [absent-mindedly fiddles with docking rights]. Also, what the North said.
IAC: And we helped put the nail in the coffin of ISS, whom BoB may or may not have had close ties with. Also, what the North said.
RA: самая свежая информация, срочные новости, видео, аудио! Also, what the North said.
Angry Dissidents: They sure do get on my nerves. Also, what the North said.
It's not a question of what you hope to gain, it's a question of what you hope not to lose. If you go around beating up people one by one, eventually they wise up and band together. Small wonder. As much as you may love me, your signature must pertain to your in-game persona, and thus I must remove it. -Conuion Meow |
Tiger'ess
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Posted - 2007.04.01 10:55:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Tiger''ess on 01/04/2007 10:54:30
Originally by: Breisies
Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because
They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief
Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target.
You defend Bob because
You are weak
agreed
RAT are worse than BoB by far, RAT exploit bugged npc spawns on a mass scale for trillions of isk, you all should have been banned long ago.
The cheek to say you fight BoB for these reasons. Change BoB to RAT above and it fits you perfectly. ------------------------------------------------
Originally by Flinx Evenstar
no BOB POS is safe, have a nice day
We only lost 50 capital ships to kill a pos, no bob pos is safe!! |
Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.01 11:34:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Dashhammer II Does the coalition REALLY expect thousands upon thousands of ACTIVE players to suddenly recieve some glorious defeat which convinces them that they have to go and live in empire?
As long as they disband their alliances I will allow them back into empire.
SKUNK
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Dashhammer II
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.04.01 13:31:00 -
[115]
Originally by: David H'Levi
The North: Wow, did you see BoB smash ASCN? And the Goons? And TRUST? And G? And FIX? Et cetera, et cetera. Looks like they're going around attacking every big alliance for fun... Hrm!
This appears to be a common misconception. The idea that Bob is running around bullying people is definately an ancient one and Bob itself seems to do nothing to dispell this idea. The thing is however that it simply isn't true. I have seen bob exercise a great deal of patience with those that assualt them, often leaving them alone right up untill they are POS spammed.
ASCN: I hate to say it but BOB was never too thrilled that ASCN destroyed thier allies 'Tribal Souls' but still, nearly a year after that they began to have border disagreements with ASCN. ASCN's reasoning was (for the most part) that this was a fighting game and what is EVE with out pewpew? ASCN attack groups swarmed into BOBspace for a good while and BOB humored this. There was a tongue in cheek attitude to the whole thing and various rules were observed during the war itself. ASCN took the first station in TPAR and up untill that point BOB hadn't even applied much pressure on them. After repulsing ASCN, they stopped. It wasn't untill the insults and accusations and slander began that BOB's attitude changed. Cyvok had difficulty controlling his forum warriors and the war turned from friendly to downright vicious very quickly. Still ASCN did not apologize for the things that were said or the things that were done. They insisted that BOB learn it's place and begin treating them as the stronger alliance. Find the moment when BOB declared it would not accept an ASCN surrender and you will know the moment in which the war REALLY started.
G Alliance: Border disputes were a common occurance with G Alliance becuase of thier habit of raiding nieghbors which were not napped for 'Pewpew'. As a former member of Blackguard Brigade, I can recount many instances when we attacked alliances that we were not at war with for 'the fun of it'. It wasn't a single raid on BOBspace which started this war, it was several. That on top of the fountain dispute, pushed G alliance to invade bobspace. Thats right, I said INVADE. I know that people enjoy seeing bob as the agressor but let us not forget that I was there. I remember when the station in C9n was called the 'G/iron/Razor spearhead'. I aslo remember when G alliance dragged both Tribal Souls and ASCN into the war against them simply becuase thier esotaria contingent was stationed too far away from BOBspace and they wanted to get some 'pewpew' fun in as well.
Fix: Fix has always been the absolute best of friends with bob. They currently live with BOB. In fact, BOB was defending FIX on such a regular basis that FIX eventually ceded the BOB and became a caretaker alliance. Don't believe me? Go attack FIX right now, see what happens.
Goons: Don't get me started.
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Nytemaster
Mega-Deth Phoenix Supremacy
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Posted - 2007.04.01 13:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Pugwash We fight Bob because
They lie They cheat The used resources not available to other players They were responsible for the worst smack on the Forums Now they smack the forums with alts They are arrogant beyond belief
Even if Bobs achievements in game had been fairly atained their smack and arrogance would have made them a target.
You defend Bob because
You are weak
I have been on opposite sides of the fence to Cpt Pugwash many times, but for these reasons alone I would gladly fight along side.
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JaeWoo
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.01 14:35:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Dashhammer II
Originally by: Sir Howard
Every time I go through delve or period basis I see the same faces. Fix, Exertu Mortis, MC, Fallen-souls. These are my friends. These are my friends and they live here with us in peace becuase of BOB.
I am not involved in the war and am pretty much a noob (1 month), but this would be my personal reason to fight against you. Less Blue == More Pew Pew. The thought of all that space being shared nicely.... Although I don't think BoB is serious about wanting to take over all of 0.0 space (and I doubt they could if they did want to), I could never side with an alliance that had that attitude. Who wants to play a game that is that 1 sided?
Anyway, as has been stated already. The biggest target in the game will always be under attack. That should really be the answer to your question. You want to have the lion's share? The hyena's are gonna do their best to take it from you.
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JaeWoo
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.01 14:35:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Dashhammer II
Originally by: Sir Howard
Every time I go through delve or period basis I see the same faces. Fix, Exertu Mortis, MC, Fallen-souls. These are my friends. These are my friends and they live here with us in peace becuase of BOB.
I am not involved in the war and am pretty much a noob (1 month), but this would be my personal reason to fight against you. Less Blue == More Pew Pew. The thought of all that space being shared nicely.... Although I don't think BoB is serious about wanting to take over all of 0.0 space (and I doubt they could if they did want to), I could never side with an alliance that had that attitude. Who wants to play a game that is that 1 sided?
Anyway, as has been stated already. The biggest target in the game will always be under attack. That should really be the answer to your question. You want to have the lion's share? The hyena's are gonna do their best to take it from you.
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JediLover
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.01 15:27:00 -
[119]
BOB is closest thing to satan in this game, and even im not planning to get in to heaven myself, im a religious man.
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Dorah Hawkwing
Chosen Path Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.01 15:39:00 -
[120]
Raivi has it perfectly right.
My own opinion, not my alliance's: LV had been in war against the ragoon block long time before BoB's declaration against them. During that time, BoB was still set to red. (also, if we hadn't been at war allready, we might have been free to engage BoB together with ASCN when ASCN was attacked. ASCN was a blue border for us.
But history changes things.
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