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JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:26:00 - [1] Edited by: JMcClane on 31/03/2007 17:22:41 For several months we have looked the other way as our fellow alliance members did their dirty deeds. Privateer Alliance (PA)once held an oppertunity for us to remove bad eggs in most alliances here in New Eden. Now the time has come to remove the bad eggs from within PA. We all know who they are, and we feel we must try to save their lost souls. God's will shall strike them fiercely in the forthcoming weeks. 2007.03.31 17:24 Righteous Choirboys has declared war on Privateer Alliance. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Dr Cron Northern Lights Number 5	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:30:00 - [2] snore
Ziu Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:31:00 - [3] Ex Phoenix Alliance members must be getting a bit uppity by now, surely ...
Slave 775 Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:32:00 - [4] Originally by: JMcClane Now the time has come to remove the bad eggs from within PA. Nice you already started with removing yourself.
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:32:00 - [5] Epic. I thought you objected to 4-4 gankers.....which would mean to kill them...you'd have to go there to kill them...meaning you'd be a 4-4 ganker. Hello Haulers.
Haargoth Agamar S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:33:00 - [6]
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:56:00 - [7] I better stay out of Kaaputenen then
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.03.31 17:57:00 - [8] According to SFShootMe of Privateer Alliance. Self-proclaimed Fleet Commander, only 2.8% of his kills are made in Jita. I've tried doing the math with a few different calculators and come up with the number 17.97% This means he will be in Jita about 20% of his online time... This would mean he occationally leaves Jita. We'll get him when he does. You can camp 4-4 as you please. Keep the lag to yourselves, and your low morale standards as well
Kaleeb S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:15:00 - [9] Originally by: JMcClane According to SFShootMe of Privateer Alliance. Self-proclaimed Fleet Commander, only 2.8% of his kills are made in Jita. I've tried doing the math with a few different calculators and come up with the number 17.97% This means he will be in Jita about 20% of his online time... This would mean he occationally leaves Jita. We'll get him when he does. You can camp 4-4 as you please. Keep the lag to yourselves, and your low morale standards as well So what was your percentage in Kaaputenen?
Blue Stratos Amarr BOOM - Gotcha	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:34:00 - [10] Originally by: JMcClane Cheats beating n trying to look big Dude, everyone is at war with privateers, yoru not the only one :) Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:44:00 - [11] Edited by: Le Skunk on 31/03/2007 18:41:49 Yet another anti privateer whine by someone or another The good thing is, when they were in privatter alliance they paid for a war a week for the rest of us. Now they are out of privaterr alliance.... they pay for a war a week for the rest of us. Bit low I thought but good luck to you anyhows. SKUNK "not everyone has the skills to handle the heat in the privateer alliance"
TrippyX Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:44:00 - [12] BRING IT! ____________________ I ♥ [TSYND]
Elmicker Unscoped Myriad Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:46:00 - [13] Have fun, McClane.
Htrag The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:47:00 - [14] Originally by: JMcClane According to SFShootMe of Privateer Alliance. Self-proclaimed Fleet Commander, only 2.8% of his kills are made in Jita. I've tried doing the math with a few different calculators and come up with the number 17.97% This means he will be in Jita about 20% of his online time... This would mean he occationally leaves Jita. We'll get him when he does. You can camp 4-4 as you please. Keep the lag to yourselves, and your low morale standards as well This is my first and most likely last post on these forums. I've been flying with SFShootme for a longass time and we're lucky to have him in our corp. You probably remember when we went to UK space and owned them considering the fleet we had? When SFShootme was the FC and we came out on top while we were outnumbered and in unfamiliar territory? You know the one where you and your buddy brought Thoraxes to a Battleship fight? Now you talk trash about him? You might want to check our main killboard and our old ones for accurate stats before you call someone out. I'll tell my guys to stop killing people at Jita 4-4 as soon as they dont have to worry about black screening in their new Raven and getting ganked themselves. Having people camping 4-4 doesn't just provide ganks (no loot of course because of leeches) it provides the ability for friendlys to dock and undock. Also you fail to consider the Jita kills that take place at gates, not just the station. I had respect for your pvp skills and always thought you were a cool dude, but the personal attacks and the bitterness you've shown definitely makes the privateers better off without you. Now you're not special, you're just another red star on the overview.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Kaleeb Originally by: JMcClane According to SFShootMe of Privateer Alliance. Self-proclaimed Fleet Commander, only 2.8% of his kills are made in Jita. I've tried doing the math with a few different calculators and come up with the number 17.97% This means he will be in Jita about 20% of his online time... This would mean he occationally leaves Jita. We'll get him when he does. You can camp 4-4 as you please. Keep the lag to yourselves, and your low morale standards as well So what was your percentage in Kaaputenen? Well... approx. 120% I guess :) I bought that gate of Romeo. Payed a lot of money for that gate to Niarja. (Seriously... There's not much station ganking or lag abusing on my kill list! Kaaputenen is just a bit more stable than Jita mate ;)
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:54:00 - [16] Hmm.... Go JMcClane and your boys :D Damn I cant believe I said that
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:57:00 - [17] Just dont tell anoyone about the Privatter alliances hidden POS and shipyards or they are fuked! PLEASE DONT TELL THEM ABOUT THE TITAN! SKUNK
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.03.31 18:58:00 - [18] Originally by: Htrag Edited by: Htrag on 31/03/2007 18:47:13 Originally by: JMcClane According to SFShootMe of Privateer Alliance. Self-proclaimed Fleet Commander, only 2.8% of his kills are made in Jita. I've tried doing the math with a few different calculators and come up with the number 17.97% This means he will be in Jita about 20% of his online time... This would mean he occationally leaves Jita. We'll get him when he does. You can camp 4-4 as you please. Keep the lag to yourselves, and your low morale standards as well I've been flying with SFShootme for a longass time and we're lucky to have him in our corp. You probably remember when we went to UK space and owned them considering the fleet we had? When SFShootme was the FC and we came out on top while we were outnumbered and in unfamiliar territory? You know the one where you and your buddy brought Thoraxes to a Battleship fight? Now you talk trash about him? You might want to check our main killboard and our old ones for accurate stats before you call someone out. I'll tell my guys to stop killing people at Jita 4-4 as soon as they dont have to worry about black screening in their new Raven and getting ganked themselves. Having people camping 4-4 doesn't just provide ganks (no loot of course because of leeches) it provides the ability for friendlys to dock and undock. Also you fail to consider the Jita kills that take place at gates, not just the station. I had respect for your pvp skills and always thought you were a cool dude, but the personal attacks and the bitterness you've shown definitely makes the privateers better off without you. Now you're not special, you're just another red star on the overview. I as well respect SFShoot for his leadership of the gang. I haven't questioned that ever. I questioned his kills made in Privateers. Or actually FrezZzer did. What we got in return was a long serious of incorrect info posing as a 'defense' against the 'attacks' made by FrezZzer! That's where the bone is buried mate. I remember that battle. We brought our thorax's as we responded to a distress call to attack a hostile gang. We needed to get there pretty quick, and thus chose pretty fast ships. Afterwards I lead the gang to 0.0. After arguing it would a good idea for 10 minutes where the other gang members 'didn't want to go in this ship' or 'I have to leave soon'. .... ... We did some nice work that day, and the reason SFShootMe took over was that Boogiez and I jumped back and decloaked prior to the main gang hitting the gate. We we're bait. It worked, and we got primaried!
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:01:00 - [19] Edited by: Le Skunk on 31/03/2007 18:57:09 I WILL CRUSH YOUR POXY INTERCEPTOR WITH MY BARE BWESTS COUGH I MEAN HANDS SKUNK ".. so i said keep them on the forums and they cant come gnke me"
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Le Skunk Just dont tell anoyone about the Privatter alliances hidden POS and shipyards or they are fuked! PLEASE DONT TELL THEM ABOUT THE TITAN! SKUNK Hehe... always taking it with a smile :) I like that 'bout you Skunk... As for us paying the war... well... A few hundred millions is a small price to have fun in EVE. Having fun is our primary objective... Not keeping a 100 to 1 KD ratio! Hope to see you in some fun battles and some friendly smacking!
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Templer Relleg on 31/03/2007 19:02:14 Seriously. This is just one big joke. For a long time you were one of the persons who did the most kills in privateers, and now you think of privateers as "bad eggs"? Just have a look: privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=JMcClane Now tell me again, that you were in privateers and were the person with the second most points, and didnt like it. Laughable! </Evil> On a friendly note. Should be fun
Mextor Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:44:00 - [22] How things change in such a short space of time, it was not a week or 2 when you were singing Privateer's praises and now you are at war with them
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.03.31 19:55:00 - [23] I liked being in Privateers. Key word in that sentence is in italic! Mextor... I didn't praise Privateers!!! Actually... the operation title gives a little hint of what I did comment back then. The shooting of undocking players seeing nothing but a black screen, then back to station, 1 ship poorer, 2 concord mails richer. Slackers did when at war with Privateers. Privateers does it. It's below my morale. That's all! Privateers was fun! Had plenty of good kills and fun there. And my post about bad eggs in Privateers refer to these black screen gankers!
SwissMiss The Scope	Posted - 2007.03.31 20:56:00 - [24] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Le Skunk Just dont tell anoyone about the Privatter alliances hidden POS and shipyards or they are fuked! PLEASE DONT TELL THEM ABOUT THE TITAN! SKUNK Hehe... always taking it with a smile :) I like that 'bout you Skunk... As for us paying the war... well... A few hundred millions is a small price to have fun in EVE. Having fun is our primary objective... Not keeping a 100 to 1 KD ratio! Hope to see you in some fun battles and some friendly smacking! Fun is your primary objective you say? So leaving their alliance and paying 200mil/week for 75 online targets is more fun than staying in their alliance and paying 50mil/week for several thousand online targets? Seems contradictory. You were short sighted enough to leave KIA, I guarantee anything they do is more fun than what you provide your corp now. Historically it doesnt appear you know what your doing if fun really is your primary goal. Just my two cents. I like hot cocoa.
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:23:00 - [25] Originally by: JMcClane I liked being in Privateers. Key word in that sentence is in italic! Mextor... I didn't praise Privateers!!! Actually... the operation title gives a little hint of what I did comment back then. The shooting of undocking players seeing nothing but a black screen, then back to station, 1 ship poorer, 2 concord mails richer. Slackers did when at war with Privateers. Privateers does it. It's below my morale. That's all! Privateers was fun! Had plenty of good kills and fun there. And my post about bad eggs in Privateers refer to these black screen gankers! Im not a big fan of ganking blackscreened players. Some like it, and really, they are allowed to do that. Because how could they know if the player were blackscreened, or just stupid enough to press undock, and look at away for a minute? But if you wanna stop people from doing this, wouldnt it take YOU to camp stations aswell? You have to go where they are afterall. Oh the irony.
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:26:00 - [26] Edited by: Surreptitious on 31/03/2007 21:26:46 JMcClane, this is going to sound rude but you are an arrogant elitist and it really rubs people the wrong way. Please hear me out. One week ago you come to me saying I should boot most of the corps, mainly the (not yet famous) corps and double the price of alliance membership from 50mi/week to 100mil/week. All in an effort to "get some respect from the community". I talked about it with a few people that evening and we all agreed with 5 minutes it was a bad idea and would not only keep us from acheiving our original goal, it completely contradicted what this alliance is all about. Now here we are one week later and you decided to leave the alliance. But you couldnt do it on friendly terms being appreciative of the fun you had and the people who provided it. You decide to burn your bridges, sending offensive and insulting emails to me and the entire alliance. You start making dillusional proclamations of what the alliance has grown into and how you think it should be. Well I ask you, WHAT THE HELL GIVES YOU ANY IDEA THAT YOUR OPINION MATTERS? You had absolutrly nothing to do with the formation of the corp, the alliance or even the concept in general. So get off your high horse and shut the f' up. I use to ignore what others said and gave you respect purely for your PVP ability but thats all gone. You've shown yourself to be arrogant, self absorbed and obnoxious. The fact you think you can try and form this alliance into your image is just plain disgusting and pathetic. Your exact words were that you were leaving because "while in this alliance you'd never get the respct you deserve." Those exact words eximplify why this was not the right place for you. As a group we dont want the community to like us. It is better that way and a rallying cry. What we do want and to some degreee already get is respect for ability to be a pain in the but to orgs in empire. I really wish you could just accept that what we do is not right for you and mvoe on, instead of try and change it. I'll say here what I told the alliance. You have been playing for roughly 3 years. You have joined and left some of the most bad-ass corps in the game, X13, KIA. If you were capable of aceiving anything, or earnign any real respect you would have done it by now. If what you told me in private is true and you wanted to be respected by the community do you honestly think this will get it? So what? So you left an alliance and declared war on it? Congrats, your 22 people of the 15,000 we are at war with. If what you said to me in private was a lie and this is the truth, that you simply want fun. I fail to see how leaving an alliance with more wars and targets than anyone, ever, is helping you towards that goal. I actually kindof feel bad for your corp members because seeing how boring things got going from 150 wars to 75 I would pretty much leave the game if all I had was 2 or 3. Having learned a little more this appears to be nothing more than a personal battle between a few allaince m8's that has blown up into you leaving the alliance and formulating this genious master plan of yours. In all honesty it is better with you gone. Im sure someone has shown you the alliance mails since you've left so Im sure you would not argue there. I would say good luck but I dont think that would help. If you really want to acheive anything in this game worthwhile my advice would be to find a good idea, somethign worthwhile that people will notice and commit to it. Syrup
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.31 21:40:00 - [27] Nice post Surr! Now.. If you want respect, and wanna do something big, you arent gonna do it by shooting privatees. We're just 4-4 gankers right? Really, this seem to rather kill any respect, i think. But ok. More targets for us going trough the pipe. I guess thats our gain.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 03:23:00 - [28] Ive spoken to Mclane on TS a few times and in his defence he seemed like a nice bloke. As i have said before I think deccing us was a bit off. Surrep raises a good point in that whatever you say about the privatters, good OR bad, we have left an impact on the game. I personally appreciate the possibilites of evolution that being a player of EVE offers. So many possibilities, and many suprises to come. The reaction of people to our alliance, be it intel channels, enemies cooperating to fight us, and the new profession of privateer loot thiefs or whatever. Despite the lack of effectivness of these so far, these are things i didnt realy foresee. People have reacted to our reactions and we react to this in turn. Out of the priv alliance mclane, you are gonna have to work VERY hard to come up with anything innovative TBH I think however this war dec was intended to be a bit of fun so peeps should take it in that spirit. I hope it dosent go on for to long though. SKUNK
Inquis Eisenhorn Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 06:12:00 - [29] Now youll pay for killing my abaddon. the x is my sig A ships a fool to fight a station
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.01 07:33:00 - [30] This isn't the first time Jmc has left a corp only to immediately war-dec it, he did it to dark-rising as well. In all seriousness Jmc, form your own corp/alliance and keep it where you're the one in charge as it doesnt seem like youll ever be happy NOT being the #1 shot caller. Thats all fine and well but you need to understand that if you do join an established organization youll have to work your way up and will probably never reach the very #1 spot as thats occupied by someone that spends more time in a corp than you typically do. And the word youre looking for is morals, not morale.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 07:49:00 - [31] Edited by: JMcClane on 01/04/2007 07:50:29 Quote: One week ago you come to me saying I should boot most of the corps, mainly the (not yet famous) corps and double the price of alliance membership from 50mi/week to 100mil/week. All in an effort to "get some respect from the community". I talked about it with a few people that evening and we all agreed with 5 minutes it was a bad idea and would not only keep us from acheiving our original goal, it completely contradicted what this alliance is all about. One week ago, I came to you with a plea, to raise the fee from 50 to 100 million, in an attempt to gain more war targets, as the targets had gone from many to few. The majority of red stars is flying with stabs, istabs or in shuttles, intercepters and tech I frigs. My plea was to gain more targets, and my personal attitude was that it wouldn't hurt if the alliance wen't back down to the approximate 500 members that were in when we joined it. The cause was not to gain any form of respect, but to make Privateers a bit more fun, again! I never expressed that you should boot most of the corporations, I merely pointed out, that some of the greener corporations might find 100 million too much. If my predictions are right, this would result in slightly fewer hunters and more prey. Bending words are quite ok, you just went a little too far in your attempt to downgrade us! If anyone should be interested, I'll attach the chatlog between Surrep and I to prove what I said. Quote: Now here we are one week later and you decided to leave the alliance. But you couldnt do it on friendly terms being appreciative of the fun you had and the people who provided it. Thank you for the fun we had. The people who provided it was ... you and Le Skunk as you setup the war decs. Like most others in Privateers we flew in corporate gangs in Privateers, not in alliance gangs. Quote: I'll say here what I told the alliance. You have been playing for roughly 3 years. You have joined and left some of the most bad-ass corps in the game, X13, KIA. If you were capable of aceiving anything, or earnign any real respect you would have done it by now. X13 died as we left it, no goals, no nothing, going no where. Why would I be in an inactive corp when I play 10 hours a day? KIA... Well... We tried it, wasn't our cup of tea. On day 1 Boogiez lost an Ishtar. He had to give a detailed breakdown of how this could happen, as it hurt the reputation of the corp if too many losses were taken. So in other words, you can't decide if you want to loose your own ships. This is FAR FAR FAR from what both you and I believe in! KIA bad ass? Well... they might get the job done... I just don't like doing the work they do. (All respect to KIA, It's just not for me). Quote: If you really want to acheive anything in this game worthwhile my advice would be to find a good idea, somethign worthwhile that people will notice and commit to it. I promise you, this is exactly what we're doing! :) Quote: I actually kindof feel bad for your corp members because seeing how boring things got going from 150 wars to 75 I would pretty much leave the game if all I had was 2 or 3. I thought you were smarter than this? Do you really believe that the more targets you have the more fights you'll get? Your 60+ ongoing wars provide's little more than shuttles frigs and noobships. Declaring war on Privateers, I am at least sure that my targets will be up for a fight. I'll have my fun, don't you worry. And thanks for replying to this post btw. I didn't get any feedback on the suggestion I made over a week ago. As for your GRAND PLAN OF CHANGE... WOW... I quote Le Skunk [ 2007.03.23 14:18:07 ] Le Skunk > umm it really bnoito wroth getting excited about
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 07:50:00 - [32] RESERVED
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 08:10:00 - [33] Edited by: JMcClane on 01/04/2007 08:07:18 Originally by: Ronin Reborn This isn't the first time Jmc has left a corp only to immediately war-dec it, he did it to dark-rising as well. In all seriousness Jmc, form your own corp/alliance and keep it where you're the one in charge as it doesnt seem like youll ever be happy NOT being the #1 shot caller. Thats all fine and well but you need to understand that if you do join an established organization youll have to work your way up and will probably never reach the very #1 spot as thats occupied by someone that spends more time in a corp than you typically do. And the word youre looking for is morals, not morale. Sorry, english isn't my main language! You have a point. Which is why we joined an alliance with no obligations. Still isn't an excuse not to try and improve things. I never did want the 1st spot. I never have. I just want to be part of something I can believe in. Like Dark-Rising started out to be, a place where we were building up a new corporate structure, with Squad leaders and what not. The reason I got unsatisfied with Dark-Rising was that out of the 3-4 squads created, only ours was active. None of the other squad leaders did, excuse me for the language, **** to try and get their squad working together. We we're pulling more than our load. Others solo'ed down their own paths instead of commiting to the decisions made! All this isn't a secret. After this things went wrong... We all know, but to begin with, you guys we're on an exciting track. I commited and dedicated myself to get the train moving... It just didn't!
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.01 08:31:00 - [34] The squad system didnt work for us, it isolated people instead of forming tight groups. Thus it is no longer in place. Your squad was comprised of the same pilots you came into dark rising with, the same pilots you still fly with so obviously you had a head start. But thats neither here nor there. The main point of my post was that, having only spent a short time with you in dark rising and later hearing about your choice to wardec ANOTHER group of players you shared a banner with, this seems to be a trend. If you so deeply crave to be a part of something greater than yourself that you can believe in you might want to consider how others view you. Premier organizations have more qualifications than just K/D ratios and SP requirements...things like loyalty, willingness to work towards goals and selflessness. You want to wardec PVRT thats fine, but youre not doing yourself any favors running to the forums about it. On the plus side I think youll find theres no shortage of people wanting to shoot you.
Boogiez Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 08:42:00 - [35] Mornings Hmm Cant understand all that bad feeling .. Privateer has change alot since we joined .. more members joined and more member = less targets .. The targets found out how to avoid privateers now since there is contantly war on the same poeple whitch is a fault as well .. Sorry to say but Surrep and his crew was affraid for change the things abit and that cost them 4 top 10 pilots ... But still we enjoyed our time in privateers and it was fun Iam Over and Out
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 08:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Ronin Reborn The squad system didnt work for us, it isolated people instead of forming tight groups. Thus it is no longer in place. Your squad was comprised of the same pilots you came into dark rising with, the same pilots you still fly with so obviously you had a head start. But thats neither here nor there. The main point of my post was that, having only spent a short time with you in dark rising and later hearing about your choice to wardec ANOTHER group of players you shared a banner with, this seems to be a trend. If you so deeply crave to be a part of something greater than yourself that you can believe in you might want to consider how others view you. Premier organizations have more qualifications than just K/D ratios and SP requirements...things like loyalty, willingness to work towards goals and selflessness. You want to wardec PVRT thats fine, but youre not doing yourself any favors running to the forums about it. On the plus side I think youll find theres no shortage of people wanting to shoot you. ... forming tight groups? How would a group be formed if the leader is solo pvp'ing 60 jumps out, not being aware that he's even in charge of the squad. The plan failed because ppl didn't put an effort in. Perhaps we did have a head start, but we also took in new pilots. If there had been a minimum of effort the gang leaders woud at least have contacted their squad members and tried to go on a few ops or something. nothing happened. Seeing this as people getting isolated, well, interpret it as you will. I see it as a lack of cooperation between the squads that wasn't being formed afterall. Regarding your last comment: Hehe.. You're the first one to spot the red line.... ;)
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.01 09:32:00 - [37] Dont know which squad or squad leader youre talking about, my squad flew together actively with myself even leading a couple of gangs. Maybe it took more time than you were willing to give it, or maybe you just werent aware of the actions of other squads. In the end it was discontinued because it lead to 'cliques' instead of the corp working together as a whole. What I completely fail to understand however, is how having differences of opinion like these make it nessisary for you to war dec for former wingmen/corpmates/alliancemates. Im sure we could argue back and forth for a while but Ive said all I have to say and wont derail your thread any farther. Good luck in the future.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 09:55:00 - [38] Originally by: Ronin Reborn Dont know which squad or squad leader youre talking about, my squad flew together actively with myself even leading a couple of gangs. Maybe it took more time than you were willing to give it, or maybe you just werent aware of the actions of other squads. In the end it was discontinued because it lead to 'cliques' instead of the corp working together as a whole. What I completely fail to understand however, is how having differences of opinion like these make it nessisary for you to war dec for former wingmen/corpmates/alliancemates. Im sure we could argue back and forth for a while but Ive said all I have to say and wont derail your thread any farther. Good luck in the future. I guess I should have given it more than just 3 weeks. I guess it's expected that nothing happens within the first 3 weeks a decision have been made. I'll make it easy for ya... 1. It's not necesarry to war dec them, it is however going to be fun. Nothing is really necesarry, it's a game! 2. Former wingmen (nope), former corpmates (nope) and.... 3. Former alliancemates (NOPE)... Privateer alliance doesn't work as an entity, as a unit. Most corporations within the alliance fly under their own flag the greater part of their online time. This is how it's meant to be. Though capable of finding the numbers to create a 30+ man gang, this gang will be crippled compared to most others as a part of it will be in tech I frigs or cruisers with little understanding of the concept of fleet warfare. Since there have never been a bond between PA and us, there's no bond to break! (This should bring us back on track as well) :)
Kai Jyokoroi The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.01 09:57:00 - [39] I didn't read any of this rabble. But the real problem is, absolutely no-one cares about what happens to Privateers, anyone who was ever in it, or ESPECIALLY the internal politics therein. At best, you're a minor irritant when you forget to not AFK in Empire and lose a ship - and seeing as I'm in Empire maybe once every 3 months, it's not exactly a bother. Just to re-iterate Does the no-one cares dance _____________ WE ARE THE COLLECTIVE. RESISTANCE IS VOLTAGE OVER CURRENT.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 10:14:00 - [40] Why do you bother posting about something you don't care about? Do you see me posting where BoB lost their Titan Class ship in production, or KIA press releases.... I don't care about all those things. They are of no matter to me, as this is no matter to you. In other words, if you have nothing to say, do not reply!
Minigin Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.01 11:32:00 - [41] Edited by: Minigin on 01/04/2007 11:30:48 another april fool? edit: if not... then ide really love to link you back to the thread you made a while ago... but im just glad you finaly realised what alot of the PA guys are like. GL with your war... and i hope you kill all teh bad eggs Your signature <----- My awsome Sig
Ugluuk Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 11:39:00 - [42] Edited by: Ugluuk on 01/04/2007 11:37:18 What can i say: Come get some These guys left Privateers with this message: We wanna be respected and no one respects Privateers so we are leaving.. Then they turn around and attack Privateers in hopes of getting acknowledged, will gank loners and use the info they have from being in Privateers for easy targets and make a new forum post a few weks from now saying: We owned Privateers Check the kill stats.. Sorry guys but: You first lost all respect as you say by joining Pew pew`s.. You lost even more by letting the brain take so long to kick in and realise you were flying in an alliance that had no respect.. You didn`t have much respect in pew pew`s cause of the everyday whining in chat and the respect you had were lost when leaving.. Seems the amount of respect you have is lower than mine after 3 years as a jackass in Eve.. So why dont you: Make a new character,create a new corp and learn from your mistakes and then pray to the respect god to let it rain some respect on you.. I know what to expect from your corp..Out of 2226 kills 3 were solo Bs kills.. and some rare Bc kills here and there.. Bring the gang and try to engage before we drop to half size cause of boredom.. http://privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=Ugluuk
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.01 11:47:00 - [43] Ronin, Darks dirty laundry goes in the washing machine, not the forums. Thanks JMc I sincerely hope you can find happiness in the game you love. Since you are competent at PVP and leading a gang I suggest you work on your personal tendancy to over inflate yourself, it will help you out in whatever path you choose in the future. Your a nice guy, but your actions after you dont get what you want make you look a little odd. o7 Dark-Rising
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.01 12:12:00 - [44] Originally by: JMcClane [ 2007.03.23 14:18:07 ] Le Skunk > umm it really bnoito wroth getting excited about Was I **ed? Look at that attrocious typing. I can forgive the wroth typo, but what the hell is with "bnoito". Serious big fat finger syndrome. Well firstly, quoting private chat logs leaves a sour tast in my mouth, but so does wardeccing guys the majority of which you got on with a few days ago. Raising the fee to 100million might not have been much for the more established corps, but like Syrup says in the 'smoking gun' chatlog posting (which incidentaly turned out to be more of a smoking water pistol)- a lot of our corps might disagree. Some of the small corps would not be able to keep up. Sure a few of the smaller corps could merge if they were prepared to sacrifice their corp individulaity, but of course 2 small corps paying 50mill, and one merged corp paying 100mill = exactly the same amount of isk. One of the guiding principals of the Privateer Alliance when it was formed was to maintain the MINIMUM obstruction to people joining. No rules, no reqirements, no ass licking, alt screenshots, no requirement to do anything at all, or in fact stop doing anything at all. Just pay for a war, and share in the pot of wars. Keeping the ISK requirments low is tied in with this ethos. HOWEVER, the privateer alliance also prides itself on being totaly open to ideas from members. We have no dictatorial leaders. Any ideas are listened to, and if the majority of peeps like the idea, we will probably incorporate it. Going to the CEO and expecting him to instantly and arbitrarily implement something without consultaion with the ohter 90% of the alliance isnt how we operate** We are a disorganised bunch as you know - lots of things on the go,and things take time, and posting on the priv forums with you idea would have been a good start to get it implemented. Or alliance mail even to gauge others opinions. It may well be 100mill a week is totally acceptable to all corps. You didnt wait for answer. I posted a poll on our internal forums a few days before you spat the dummy, with a question trying to gauge what level of warfare people were wanting for exactly this aim. Anyhows to the guy who complains of us airing Privateer dirty laundy in public, well Mclane isnt a privateer, and this is the forum for Corp announcement/debate i believe. As he rightly says, dont post/read if you aint interestd. Also im coming for you mclane, I coming for you in an tristan. Im not kidding. I have it fitted. You wont be able to rest for one second in this game. I can get that tristan firing in staions maaaan. one minute you will be happily camping.. then POW im there! Ive persoanly place a bounty of 5 isk on your head, and im a tight ass so i want to claim it!! SKUNK "its only a game folks"
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 12:31:00 - [45] Originally by: Ugluuk I know what to expect from your corp..Out of 2226 kills 3 were solo Bs kills.. and some rare Bc kills here and there.. You got me there Ugluuk... You've proved it. We don't fly alone, we're a team... damnit... damnit... DAMNIT!
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 12:34:00 - [46] Edited by: JMcClane on 01/04/2007 12:31:14 Originally by: Mitch Taylor Ronin, Darks dirty laundry goes in the washing machine, not the forums. Thanks JMc I sincerely hope you can find happiness in the game you love. Since you are competent at PVP and leading a gang I suggest you work on your personal tendancy to over inflate yourself, it will help you out in whatever path you choose in the future. Your a nice guy, but your actions after you dont get what you want make you look a little odd. o7 Typical Mitch post. Sweeping it under the carpet, focusing on something else, not commenting at the matter discussed. Now I can recognize you again. It's **s and giggles Mitch... nothing else! **s and giggles!
Rhaz Al'Ghul	Posted - 2007.04.01 13:38:00 - [47] Firstly this is a "game"... so some people need to calm down. When i first joined Privateers i loved it, logged on and killed stuff... i've always wanted to do that in eve! After the first few days i admit i got a bit bored because not ONCE did a target fire back at me they always got creamed before they got a lock (well 98% of the time). I don't believe that i have shown a lot of my PVP potential in Privateers but i know fighting them will challenge me. The following couple of weeks will be fun ... VERY fun
Oberkorn x13 VNV Nation	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:35:00 - [48] Quote: X13 died as we left it, no goals, no nothing, going no where. Why would I be in an inactive corp when I play 10 hours a day? KIA... Well... We tried it, wasn't our cup of tea. On day 1 Boogiez lost an Ishtar. He had to give a detailed breakdown of how this could happen, as it hurt the reputation of the corp if too many losses were taken. So in other words, you can't decide if you want to loose your own ships. This is FAR FAR FAR from what both you and I believe in! KIA bad ass? Well... they might get the job done... I just don't like doing the work they do. (All respect to KIA, It's just not for me). Did we die? DonÆt think so just look @ privateers killboard ranking (1410 kills in two months). As I remember Boogiz got kicked because of his attitude. And you left not so long after. But if you got some issues donÆt go flamming on the forum over some old nag up your butt. _____________________________________ Got nothing to loose let's dance
Oberkorn x13 VNV Nation	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:35:00 - [49] Quote: X13 died as we left it, no goals, no nothing, going no where. Why would I be in an inactive corp when I play 10 hours a day? KIA... Well... We tried it, wasn't our cup of tea. On day 1 Boogiez lost an Ishtar. He had to give a detailed breakdown of how this could happen, as it hurt the reputation of the corp if too many losses were taken. So in other words, you can't decide if you want to loose your own ships. This is FAR FAR FAR from what both you and I believe in! KIA bad ass? Well... they might get the job done... I just don't like doing the work they do. (All respect to KIA, It's just not for me). Did we die? DonÆt think so just look @ privateers killboard ranking (1410 kills in two months). As I remember Boogiz got kicked because of his attitude. And you left not so long after. But if you got some issues donÆt go flamming on the forum over some old nag up your butt. _____________________________________ Got nothing to loose let's dance
knyt x13 VNV Nation	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:42:00 - [50] Quote: X13 died as we left it, no goals, no nothing, going no where. Does that mean all our killed targets can have there stuff back? X13 has no goals, except one - and that is PVP. Do you want to kill day in day out, x13 is your place. Do you want a scheduled plan, go somewhere else. And you did. And for the record, X13 lives and are stronger than ever.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:53:00 - [51] X13 formed Barracudas alliance. It worked for a month or two. Then people went idle, corporations left, players left, and as far as I know X13 was close to inactive for a while, having lost some players, and the ones left having other things to tend to. X13 perhaps wasn't dead. It just went from a corp forming and expanding an alliance, to half the corp it once was (number wise).
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.01 14:56:00 - [52] Originally by: knyt Quote: X13 died as we left it, no goals, no nothing, going no where. Does that mean all our killed targets can have there stuff back? X13 has no goals, except one - and that is PVP. Do you want to kill day in day out, x13 is your place. Do you want a scheduled plan, go somewhere else. And you did. And for the record, X13 lives and are stronger than ever. You do now. Don't deny you had a stasis period! ( Wasn't trying to flame you at all. I know and respect your bunch. Fact was things we're going FUBAR... Glad to see you active again, though by the looks of the killboard activty you as well have had your prime time in Privateers. At least that is what I gathered last time I spoke with Ventosus. Privateers is fine... It just get's old real fast!
Father Weebles North Face Force	Posted - 2007.04.01 16:55:00 - [53] skunk's sig ftw!~ "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Psychotic Adapter	Posted - 2007.04.01 21:51:00 - [54] Originally by: Templer Relleg Edited by: Templer Relleg on 31/03/2007 19:02:14 Seriously. This is just one big joke. For a long time you were one of the persons who did the most kills in privateers, and now you think of privateers as "bad eggs"? Just have a look: privateer.griefwatch.net/?p=pilot&pilot=JMcClane Now tell me again, that you were in privateers and were the person with the second most points, and didnt like it. Laughable! </Evil> On a friendly note. Should be fun LOL That is hilarious! 99 indust kills too, classic example of a bad man gone good i guess, either that or just trying for that 15 minutes of fame. Funny ive never heard of the McClane corp before.
Kriz Lupin Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.01 22:22:00 - [55] Good luck and have fun McClane, lubs ya <3
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.01 23:58:00 - [56] Edited by: Troubadour on 01/04/2007 23:55:10 no offense j, but nobody is really scared of you, well at least we aren't :). was this really worth a forum post?
Boogiez Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.02 08:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Troubadour Edited by: Troubadour on 01/04/2007 23:55:10 no offense j, but nobody is really scared of you, well at least we aren't :). was this really worth a forum post? Troubadour it has nothing to do whit who is scared of who we arent scared of ya either FYI ... it has something to do whit privateers has been too big and the is too many bad eggs in that alliance and there is no new goals .. it was fun but not anymore ... been there done that .. See it on the flipside we are not the only corp who left seems to many corps is tired of privaters since the head of the alliance not bring new things into it so its could be the beginning to the end for them Cheers
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.02 08:41:00 - [58] Originally by: Troubadour Edited by: Troubadour on 01/04/2007 23:55:10 no offense j, but nobody is really scared of you, well at least we aren't :). was this really worth a forum post? Did I ask you to be scared of me Troub? I've said it once, I'll say it again... If you have nothing to add or feel that this isn't worth reading, DON'T REPLY! It's quite simply. Don't post!
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.02 11:32:00 - [59] Edited by: Le Skunk on 02/04/2007 11:33:05 Originally by: Boogiez it has something to do whit privateers has been too big and the is too many bad eggs in that alliance and there is no new goals .. it was fun but not anymore ... been there done that .. See it on the flipside we are not the only corp who left seems to many corps is tired of privaters since the head of the alliance not bring new things into it so its could be the beginning to the end for them From its concept the Privateer Alliance was designed as a roll in roll out alliance. No forms to fill in. No conctract tieing you to the alliance. Anyone can leave at any point and have the good wishes from the rest of us. This is an indication of strength, not of weakness. Using this strength as an attempt to discredit us is absurd. If you left with a wave and a "thanks for the memories, but we got tired of the lifestye" attitude would have been nice. Your in game elitest attitude, posting of persoanl chat logs and general bridge burning demeanour leaves a nasty taste in the mouth. A mixture of poo, tobasco, and lemon juice. Corps come and go, many stay for a long time, many go and return. None of them have seen fit to wardec their former allies though. Except you guys. I note with EXTREME interest, it seems to be a habit with you to wardec ex allies. Is this some sort of bizarre character flaw i wonder. SKUNK "... i think mclane is shaken. Hes thinking about my tristan coming for him to claim the bounty. Evey time he sees a trisatn fly by, he starts to shake. Click on his avatar a second.. look at his face. Hes just seen a tristan from the left side of the screen and is clearly terrified"
Mextor Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.02 12:02:00 - [60] Edited by: Mextor on 02/04/2007 12:00:38 Ok i read through all this and all i see is you JMC bching about past corp/alliance mates for one reason or another. why did you not just leave Privateer's and have done with it? But you had to come on here beating your chest demanding the eve community take note and give you respect. I had some respect for you while you were part of SL and even when you guys left i still had respect for you, SL may have not been for you it's not for everyone. but after the other week in Amarr Local i lost all respect that i may have had, after a fight that was pretty even SL came out on top and everyone was saying GF in local and then you jump in with your holyer than though attitude and start to smack us. which didn't end well for you as Rubyor came on and bched you out to the point where over the next few days you spent waiting for the one off kills which as far as SL is concerned didn't come, cloaked or docked. Originally by: JMcClane The majority of red stars is flying with stabs, istabs or in shuttles, intercepters and tech I frigs. you go on about war targets running around in Inties and stabbed out T1 frigs yet most of the time when i saw a Righteous Choirboys they were in an Inty. so I ask you again why did you not just leave it be and carry on with your eve life?
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.02 14:35:00 - [61] Originally by: Mextor Edited by: Mextor on 02/04/2007 12:00:38 Ok i read through all this and all i see is you JMC bching about past corp/alliance mates for one reason or another. why did you not just leave Privateer's and have done with it? But you had to come on here beating your chest demanding the eve community take note and give you respect. I had some respect for you while you were part of SL and even when you guys left i still had respect for you, SL may have not been for you it's not for everyone. but after the other week in Amarr Local i lost all respect that i may have had, after a fight that was pretty even SL came out on top and everyone was saying GF in local and then you jump in with your holyer than though attitude and start to smack us. which didn't end well for you as Rubyor came on and bched you out to the point where over the next few days you spent waiting for the one off kills which as far as SL is concerned didn't come, cloaked or docked. Originally by: JMcClane The majority of red stars is flying with stabs, istabs or in shuttles, intercepters and tech I frigs. you go on about war targets running around in Inties and stabbed out T1 frigs yet most of the time when i saw a Righteous Choirboys they were in an Inty. so I ask you again why did you not just leave it be and carry on with your eve life? Well.. Mextor... The brawl in Amarr local was STILL not about your fight with Privateers. I weren't in that fight. I didn't even know it went down. What it was about was the shooting of my alt while he was undocking from the station with black screen! Not your almost even fight, nothing else, but the downing of my alt while blackscreened. Yes, we flew lots of intercepters. What use would it be sitting in 10 battleships on the gate when our targets are flying frigs and cruisers? I thought you would be able to figure as much!
Car Salesman	Posted - 2007.04.02 17:15:00 - [62] Originally by: Boogiez Originally by: Troubadour Edited by: Troubadour on 01/04/2007 23:55:10 no offense j, but nobody is really scared of you, well at least we aren't :). was this really worth a forum post? many corps is tired of privaters since the head of the alliance not bring new things into it Cheers Your boss tells the CEO to boot corps and raise prices. Take a hint, when making suggestions to the alliance CEO those ideas should be,,,, you know,,,, good.
Ventosus x13	Posted - 2007.04.02 21:03:00 - [63] Originally by: JMcClane X13 formed Barracudas alliance. It worked for a month or two. Then people went idle, corporations left, players left, and as far as I know X13 was close to inactive for a while, having lost some players, and the ones left having other things to tend to. X13 perhaps wasn't dead. It just went from a corp forming and expanding an alliance, to half the corp it once was (number wise). Wrong. More than 2 months. And corp. left due to the fact that i realised running an alliance was a fulltime job more besides the one in real life. It was decided to bring down the alliance and after that the corp. Plans only a few players knew about. You and Noobiez was nothing but 1 or 2 bricks in a 1000 brick puzzle. When the alliance was closed we had some 300+ members in queue from 2 corp's which had applied and actually started to prepare and moving to stain. If we had continued this plan, the alliance had been some 500+ members. But as said, running an alliance is hard work, we didnt realise it and wasnt prepared for it. Then we tried to close x13, forcing people out (well some got kicked before that happened), but we tried. x13 refused to die due to the strong friendship amongst its core pilots. And please stop analysing x13 on the forums. We was born without you, will die without you. You are a small piece in a big history. ............... I will win Eve
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:42:00 - [64] Edited by: JMcClane on 03/04/2007 16:51:22 Edited by: JMcClane on 03/04/2007 16:44:58 I see... That was why I was offered directorship when the alliance was going FUBAR ;) Guess I was just an unimportant piece of your puzzle. Glad I left! I love you too Vento! Quote: And please stop analysing x13 on the forums. We was born without you, will die without you. You are a small piece in a big history. Have I ever claimed to be anythig more?
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:09:00 - [65] Edited by: Le Skunk on 03/04/2007 18:06:28 Edited by: Le Skunk on 03/04/2007 18:05:45 Originally by: JMcClane X13 perhaps wasn't dead. It just went from a corp forming and expanding an alliance, to half the corp it once was (number wise). Hang on a minute. You club X13 for : ONLY having "half the pilots it once had" You club Privateers for : Having TOO MANY pilots. Is there an exact number of pilots you like to fly with? 453.22 pilots makes you happy? Slightly confused. SKUNK
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:08:00 - [66] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 03/04/2007 18:06:28 Edited by: Le Skunk on 03/04/2007 18:05:45 Originally by: JMcClane X13 perhaps wasn't dead. It just went from a corp forming and expanding an alliance, to half the corp it once was (number wise). Hang on a minute. You club X13 for : ONLY having "half the pilots it once had" You club Privateers for : Having TOO MANY pilots. Is there an exact number of pilots you like to fly with? 453.22 pilots makes you happy? Slightly confused. SKUNK We've talked about this Skunk. When you start feeling confused and dizzy, it's time to stop drinking the sun-tan lotion.
PMolkenthin Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:04:00 - [67] Originally by: Ventosus Originally by: JMcClane X13 formed Barracudas alliance. It worked for a month or two. Then people went idle, corporations left, players left, and as far as I know X13 was close to inactive for a while, having lost some players, and the ones left having other things to tend to. X13 perhaps wasn't dead. It just went from a corp forming and expanding an alliance, to half the corp it once was (number wise). Wrong. More than 2 months. And corp. left due to the fact that i realised running an alliance was a fulltime job more besides the one in real life. It was decided to bring down the alliance and after that the corp. Plans only a few players knew about. You and Noobiez was nothing but 1 or 2 bricks in a 1000 brick puzzle. When the alliance was closed we had some 300+ members in queue from 2 corp's which had applied and actually started to prepare and moving to stain. If we had continued this plan, the alliance had been some 500+ members. But as said, running an alliance is hard work, we didnt realise it and wasnt prepared for it. Then we tried to close x13, forcing people out (well some got kicked before that happened), but we tried. x13 refused to die due to the strong friendship amongst its core pilots. And please stop analysing x13 on the forums. We was born without you, will die without you. You are a small piece in a big history. Yep. Ventosus did a great job of running BAR and although my input was considerably less than his, I still found myself wanting to just go out and shoot stuff instead of doing all that alliancey thing. ______________
ptmpredator Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.04 18:19:00 - [68] i have liked jmc war decing us, now we know there are always targets for sure in kaap, they are almost all the time there, and if we get bored we can have some fun! YAARRRRRRRRRRRRR -------------- The Enemys Gate is Up!
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.08 19:53:00 - [69] Hows the operation going? Is it working as well as you hoped? Just friendly curiosity..... Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Ventosus x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.08 20:22:00 - [70] Originally by: Sorted Hows the operation going? Is it working as well as you hoped? Just friendly curiosity..... Im surprised you guys are still alive by now ............... I will win Eve
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:05:00 - [71] Originally by: Sorted Hows the operation going? Is it working as well as you hoped? Just friendly curiosity..... Not as much to shoot as we hoped for. In all friendly honesty, PA have been forced to dock many a time due to high hostile count in local. But if you want to know how it went... Take a look at our killboard. hanky.griefwatch.net
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:06:00 - [72] Originally by: Ventosus Originally by: Sorted Hows the operation going? Is it working as well as you hoped? Just friendly curiosity..... Im surprised you guys are still alive by now They are down to their knees and begging! We'll soon get the last of them.
Serenity Frye Defile. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:22:00 - [73] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Ventosus Originally by: Sorted Hows the operation going? Is it working as well as you hoped? Just friendly curiosity..... Im surprised you guys are still alive by now They are down to their knees and begging! We'll soon get the last of them. are we ? 'Tis better to be a Lion for one day then be a sheep for a hundred years'
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:39:00 - [74] Originally by: JMcClane Originally by: Sorted Hows the operation going? Is it working as well as you hoped? Just friendly curiosity..... Not as much to shoot as we hoped for. In all friendly honesty, PA have been forced to dock many a time due to high hostile count in local. But if you want to know how it went... Take a look at our killboard. hanky.griefwatch.net Some good days on there - but you know how it is with us. if the outcome of the fight is already decided by the size of the attacking force we will evade & dock if those odds arent in our favour. Its just the way it is. We could all be in the same boat shortly- with the coming self nerf. We are gonna have to adapt or die, as is the way of things. Learn More: Privateers Recruitment

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