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Spankerz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:24:02 -
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Hey hey CCP.
Got a question for you guys:
Is it alowed to log with 10+ alpha accounts if I log each from individual PC?:))
I have ~20 notebooks sitting and awaiting your confirmation on this 
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Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
84
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:29:04 -
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No.
Doesn't mean some idiot isn't going to try to skirt the rule anyway. |

Spankerz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:33:36 -
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Well I see a lot of such posts. Can my... "My wife, my friend, room mate" and others play on the same IP from different PC.
If that is alowed, praise the CCP:) I will have some fun :D |

Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:40:14 -
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Nothing is prohibiting you to try it and report here.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story. =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him.
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Asharin Anderan
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.17 12:59:02 -
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If you can't, then that's a shame. My son wants to have a go at Eve as well, if we can't both play from same IP (though different PC's) then it's going to be , hey your turn to play now! |

Bagatur I
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
79
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:13:06 -
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I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not. good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box. |

Lord Ra
Section XII The Southern Querious Drug Cartel
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:20:32 -
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Bagatur I wrote:I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not. good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box.
Good luck on CCP proving it is |

Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
715
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:22:06 -
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Spankerz wrote:Well I see a lot of such posts. Can my... "My wife, my friend, room mate" and others play on the same IP from different PC.
If that is alowed, praise the CCP:) I will have some fun :D Dude with roommate reporting in.
I asked this question in the EULA update thread, since the EULA update dealt with precisely this sort of thing. I never got a response - probably because the thread was overrun with discussion about gambling as if it were the be-all end-all of EvE. So, I don't know if Devs even saw the question amidst the chaos. My inclination is that the answer is going to be "no", so I told my roommate not to bother. To be honest I doubt he'd enjoy the game enough to subscribe anyway, so there's no real loss at least in my case.
That said, this IS a serious issue for other people than me. CEO of a corp I'm in plays Omega of course, and he has a son who also plays sometimes (son confirmed, was in comms). Now if I understand the situation correctly, the son plays sporadically when time allows from school (so during summer, spring, winter break). Alphas give him the option to putz around a bit if only for just a weekend during school without having to subscribe for full Omega status, so this will eventually demand a direct and clear answer.
That situation is a bit different than the OP's question I know, but it's the same premise. The EULA says you can't have Alphas and Omegas from the same source (along with a restriction of *one* alpha per source), so it still needs to be addressed eventually.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
593
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:22:43 -
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Lord Ra wrote:Bagatur I wrote:I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not. good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box. Good luck on CCP proving it is CCP doesn't need to prove anything. They can ban you for whatever reason, including none at all.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Bagatur I
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
80
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:26:10 -
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Lord Ra wrote:Bagatur I wrote:I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not. good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box. Good luck on CCP proving it is the burden of proof is on you. that is if you are even lucky that they even consider your proof. |
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Herbert G Wells
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:38:30 -
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I was always under the impression that hardware ID's were used to determine these things. Thus using a different PC should be perfectly fine. Otherwise you'd only be able to have one person per household playing EVE. |

Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
231
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:40:22 -
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Spankerz wrote:Well I see a lot of such posts. Can my... "My wife, my friend, room mate" and others play on the same IP from different PC.
If that is alowed, praise the CCP:) I will have some fun :D I live in a dormitory, around 450 students use the same IP as me. At home, i live in an apartment building, 21 people use the same IP as me. A fellow EVE player lives in an university campus. Around 300 people use his IP. VPN users ...
Shared IPs are quite common, limiting Alphas to 1 per IP would lock out many players. |

Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:43:49 -
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Spankerz wrote:Hey hey CCP. Got a question for you guys: Is it alowed to log with 10+ alpha accounts if I log each from individual PC?:)) I have ~20 notebooks sitting and awaiting your confirmation on this  Edit: And of course, every account will be controlled individually, no input broadcasting.
Its not permitted for one person to play more than one account at a time unless all of the accounts being played concurrently are paid accounts.
It is permissable for multiple unpaid accounts to be run from the same IP address provided those accounts are held by (and used by) different people. Not entirely sure how that affects children of the account holder though.
From the EULA :
2. YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose.
So if you do it & get caught its a permaban.
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
231
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:48:45 -
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Othran wrote:Spankerz wrote:Hey hey CCP. Got a question for you guys: Is it alowed to log with 10+ alpha accounts if I log each from individual PC?:)) I have ~20 notebooks sitting and awaiting your confirmation on this  Edit: And of course, every account will be controlled individually, no input broadcasting. Its not permitted for one person to play more than one account at a time unless all of the accounts being played concurrently are paid accounts. It is permissable for multiple unpaid accounts to be run from the same IP address provided those accounts are held by (and used by) different people. Not entirely sure how that affects children of the account holder though. From the EULA : 2. YOUR ACCOUNT
You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose.So if you do it & get caught its a permaban. A lot of people are doing it already ... I was planning to do it too: Trying out new activites like faction warfare with an Alpha while doing AFKable activites like hauling, PI, etc on my Omegas.
It will be interesting to see how CCP handles this. A lot people are not aware of this, for example during a popular EVE stream yesterday we talked about this and came to the conclusion that this ok if you use different computers. No one reads the EULA^^ |

Engage You
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:50:12 -
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CCP has always failed to realise that the everyone loses, especially themselves and the game, since the day they banned ISBOX
Here's the result of not allowing multibox:
- they lose hundreds if not thousands of possible subs due to the fact that people is having fun - the community loses a ton of content and game activity - people lose interest yet again and stop playing without giving a go at sub
and so much more.. there's basically only negatives by not allowing multibox.
PS: Create a limit of multibox per IP if multiboxers bother you, make it 4 clients per IP that should plenty for people to have fun. |

mkint
1229
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:52:00 -
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Like anything with technology, there are probably multiple things they do to try to detect it, and there are probably multiple ways to get around it. Which is why they have an EULA, to state clearly to not do it, and when their detection methods uncover the security hole you're exploiting, expect to get permabanned.
Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun.
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Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:54:12 -
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Algarion Getz wrote: It will be interesting to see how CCP handles this.
Somewhere on the feedback or issues threads for this expansion someone said that they could play both alpha/omega at the same time. Dev or GM stated that was an exploit under any circumstances.
It'll be a straight permaban IMHO if you're caught as you're ******* over CCPs revenue stream. You're also not violating the Terms of Service (ie the stuff that gets temp bans), you're violating a key term of the EULA, which in turn usually (always?) results in a permaban.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.11.17 13:56:27 -
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So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers.
Also, per the EULA, account sharing is not allowed, even between family members. Your GF, BF, wife, husband, kids, etc., must have accounts registered in their name, not yours. Except for minors, which require a parent or adult to open the account / supervise the account.
And finally, discussing CCP's detection methods is against the forum rules.
So, given all this, it would make sense to me that, if you have multiple family members wanting to play as Alphas, make sure that they register their own accounts, with separate emails, so when CCP detects multiple Alphas coming from the same IP, they check and see that it's legitimately different people.
EDIT: As for the OP's situation, you need to get 19 wives / live-in girlfriends, or convince your wife/GF to have 18 kids, or a mix of the two. |

Othran
Route One
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:01:14 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers
They can't play them at the same time without breaking the EULA, they can have as many accounts as they want, just can't play them at the same time unless they're paying subs on them.
I see lots of bans coming in, just like back in the days when you could multibox trials & "CCP will never know"  |

Rroff
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1013
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:03:41 -
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Engage You wrote:CCP has always failed to realise that the everyone loses, especially themselves and the game, since the day they banned ISBOX
Here's the result of not allowing multibox:
- they lose hundreds if not thousands of possible subs due to the fact that people is having fun - the community loses a ton of content and game activity - people lose interest yet again and stop playing without giving a go at sub
and so much more.. there's basically only negatives by not allowing multibox.
PS: Create a limit of multibox per IP if multiboxers bother you, make it 4 clients per IP that should plenty for people to have fun.
I've not quite got their thinking based on the fact that a game like eve thrives and stays alive on activity - the more accounts logged in the better - the higher chance players will encounter things to do, the more alive the game feels, etc. etc. and it does nothing to stop someone who is really determined to wreak havoc i.e. I've 2x home broadband connections, 3x public wifi and 2x 4G connections accessible at home along with half a dozen PCs or laptops, etc. etc. |
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
459
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:07:35 -
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Asharin Anderan wrote:If you can't, then that's a shame. My son wants to have a go at Eve as well, if we can't both play from same IP (though different PC's) then it's going to be , hey your turn to play now!
"But Daaaaad, it's my turn!"
"Hold on, boy." *wait 5*
"Here ya go." *logs kid in*
"But that's the mining toon."
"Sure is. Now get to work."
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
231
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:07:45 -
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Othran wrote:Memphis Baas wrote:So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers
They can't play them at the same time without breaking the EULA, they can have as many accounts as they want, just can't play them at the same time unless they're paying subs on them. I see lots of bans coming in, just like back in the days when you could multibox trials & "CCP will never know"  Yea, there will be a lot of "Why the f*** was i banned?" threads in the near future, because no one reads the EULA. Unless CCP puts that information in the lauchner, they will have to swing the ban hammer many times. |

Memphis Baas
2264
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:08:35 -
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Again, discussing how you can "wreak havoc" is against the forum rules.
CCP has posted their policy, we've repeated / linked it here, follow it, or don't (and suffer the consequences).
We're not your babysitters, don't care if you get banned.
We're not CCP's babysitters either, don't care if they get more or fewer subscriptions. Play the game while it's available / while it's good, move on when it starts to suck or they shut down the servers.
EDIT: They do have the information in the Launcher: the Launcher / the game / the server will not give you access if it detects multiple Alphas. All these threads are because people haven't tried, because they know it's against the rules and don't want to risk a ban. But we cannot discuss bans or CCP's detection methods. The only option for such threads is to open a support ticket and ask, instead of starting a thread. |

Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
459
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:11:48 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Again, discussing how you can "wreak havoc" is against the forum rules.
CCP has posted their policy, we've repeated / linked it here, follow it, or don't (and suffer the consequences).
We're not your babysitters, don't care if you get banned.
We're not CCP's babysitters either, don't care if they get more or fewer subscriptions. Play the game while it's available / while it's good, move on when it starts to suck or they shut down the servers.
EDIT: They do have the information in the Launcher: the Launcher / the game / the server will not give you access if it detects multiple Alphas. All these threads are because people haven't tried, because they know it's against the rules and don't want to risk a ban. But we cannot discuss bans or CCP's detection methods. The only option for such threads is to open a support ticket and ask, instead of starting a thread.
Hear, Hear! Be the better space leech.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1436
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:13:33 -
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Lord Ra wrote:Bagatur I wrote:I was under the impression that it is OK on different PCs, alpha account or not. good luck though trying to prove that your "other notebook" is not a virtual machine box. Good luck on CCP proving it is
CCP doesn't need to prove anything. This isn't a court of law. They can ban you because they don't like the cut of your job.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Spankerz
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:22:39 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:So CCP has stated that a person cannot play more than 1 Alpha account, even on different computers.
Also, per the EULA, account sharing is not allowed, even between family members. Your GF, BF, wife, husband, kids, etc., must have accounts registered in their name, not yours. Except for minors, which require a parent or adult to open the account / supervise the account.
And finally, discussing CCP's detection methods is against the forum rules.
So, given all this, it would make sense to me that, if you have multiple family members wanting to play as Alphas, make sure that they register their own accounts, with separate emails, so when CCP detects multiple Alphas coming from the same IP, they check and see that it's legitimately different people.
EDIT: As for the OP's situation, you need to get 19 wives / live-in girlfriends, or convince your wife/GF to have 18 kids, or a mix of the two.
About separate emails and 19 wives, You do understand, that anyone can register 19 separate emails... Also, where I work, I have 60+ desktops at my disposal, pair that with KVMS etc, and you are good to go.
Same goes with "People" per account, I can just ask 20 of those working for me to "Tell" CCP "This is my account, we play eve at work with colleagues"
In case that is not allowed, I can't really imagine CCP controlling this...
I of course will await response from CCP, as I dont really want to go against EULA.
As for CCP's revenue stream, I hope everyone understands that there is possibility I will make all of those accounts into omegas eventually. |

Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1436
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:25:46 -
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Engage You wrote:CCP has always failed to realise that the everyone loses, especially themselves and the game, since the day they banned ISBOX
Here's the result of not allowing multibox:
- they lose hundreds if not thousands of possible subs due to the fact that people is having fun - the community loses a ton of content and game activity - people lose interest yet again and stop playing without giving a go at sub
and so much more.. there's basically only negatives by not allowing multibox.
PS: Create a limit of multibox per IP if multiboxers bother you, make it 4 clients per IP that should plenty for people to have fun.
Maybe they haven't realized it because they aren't really losing from a business standpoint.
Also, like everyone who fails to understand how IP sharing works, your "solution" would cost CCP more subs than banning ISBoxer.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Othran
Route One
738
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:26:32 -
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Thinking about it, CCP could probably do with a flag set somewhere in the DB that an account (alpha or omega) is a child's account paid for/(un)supervised by an adult.
For all I know they have already, never was an issue for me as my kids (all grown up now) viewed Eve as some sort of insane dystopian nightmare where everyone was out to kill/scam/backstab you. Pretty good assessment over the years really 
These threads are predictable & I'm sure after a while the ISDs will lock them with a reference to section 2 of the EULA. |

Memphis Baas
2264
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:27:00 -
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From what I've seen commented in the past, the typical ban goes like this:
1. CCP determines that you should be banned. 2. They review the evidence to make super-sure. 3. You get banned. 4. You can try to open a ticket to appeal / reverse the ban, presenting your evidence. 5. CCP reviews the evidence (takes some time, as it's a lower priority ticket) 6. You stay banned or you get unbanned.
In any case, the need to "prove" anything is on you, not CCP. You don't get a warning, "hey we're going to ban you if you don't stop", you just get banned, and then you have to prove that the ban was invalid.
And when it comes to proving, screenshots can be photoshopped, video can be edited/changed, chat logs can be changed, so they're not acceptable proof. |

ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.11.17 14:50:53 -
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"You may establish more than one Account for each copy of the Software licensed. You are however not allowed to play EVE by using more than one Account at the same time, unless you pay a subscription fee for each of the Accounts you intend to use for that purpose."
Any further information on particular situations should be directed to the GM via a Support Ticket under the EULA category.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Evemails.
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