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Fracking Beach	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Sahjahn sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it. QFT. TD Shchedule timing has been discussed so many times that dead horses are crying more than baby Jesus. Like the above poster said - the Reason is simple: The DT has to happen when CCP has people working at the office.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:19:00 - [32] Originally by: Marquis Dean Edited by: Marquis Dean on 03/04/2007 12:09:56 Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Basically ccp have the choice of **ing off a few convicts or alot of pratty Euro's and Yanks. I don't think the entire European and US playerbase is pratty, just because we don't agree that the devs should have to work stupid hours to satisfy your powergaming cravings. And how did 'ing' evade the profanity filter? edit: Oh, right, yeah. Lol. Sarcasm not a strong point I see... Originally by:** Tommy TenKreds Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 07/01/2007 14:24:00 Originally by: Sonos SAGD he is laying guys The trouble a misplaced vowel can get you into...
ThinUCanCatchMe	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:19:00 - [33] There's at least one of these "ZOMG CCP HATEZ AUSSIES!!11!" threads every other week... As stated many, many, MANY times before; DT isn't to suit the players, it's to suit the people doing the maintenance.
Novemb3r The Splinter Syndicate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:25:00 - [34] Originally by: Sahjahn sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it. AHA! there's the problem! we aussies don't understand the concept of overtime anymore. Our goverment thought people actually being compensated for working at odds hours was bad for business so they changed the laws so that for the most part we don't get overtime anymore.
RaTTuS BIG Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:27:00 - [35] Dt also occurs when there is fewer players online. [well actual DT there are no players on line but YKWIM] -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal \| RaTTuS @ Skills Showroom
Rhiannon Le'Tent	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Waxau Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining. Of course we're complaining. Server shutdown from 0800 to 1400 GMT that equates to 18:00 to 0:00 Australian Eastern Standard Time. For those of us that work we have just lost a day of our months subscription due to an ill chosen update timeframe. While the daily server shutdowns are necessary they are a real pain for those of us living on the east coast of Australia as they occur between 21:00-22:00 every day. There isnÆt enough time between getting home from work and 21:00 to start many of the missions, so the large missions must be started after 22:00 and may run 1-3 hours depending on the missions. There is rarely enough time to get another of the missions in before having to get some sleep. Black holes are where God divided by zero. by Steven Wright.
Waxau Liberty Rogues Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Rhiannon Le'Tent Originally by: Waxau Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining. Of course we're complaining. Server shutdown from 0800 to 1400 GMT that equates to 18:00 to 0:00 Australian Eastern Standard Time. For those of us that work we have just lost a day of our months subscription due to an ill chosen update timeframe. While the daily server shutdowns are necessary they are a real pain for those of us living on the east coast of Australia as they occur between 21:00-22:00 every day. There isnÆt enough time between getting home from work and 21:00 to start many of the missions, so the large missions must be started after 22:00 and may run 1-3 hours depending on the missions. There is rarely enough time to get another of the missions in before having to get some sleep. Oh my - that means for that evening, you need to bother with real life Poor you... However in the real world, theres this thing where people dont whine about such trivial things. Gah the war on terror, the war in iraq, global hunger, breast cancer, eve's downtime.. spot the odd one out.
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:42:00 - [38] I tried not to have a whine throughout this, I tried to be very constructive but the responses laid out here are trying the damdest to provike a whine out of me. The majority of responses have stated that dt occurs when it suits CCP, if yous had bothered to read my initial post in its entirety to begin with you would see that I also took this into account. You say your sick of hearing us Aussies whinge about dt, well come up with a better solution that what is currently in place and we will stop whinging about it. While it continues to be broken, we will continue to want it fixed its that simple. So you will never hear the end of it until it changes. -----------------------------------------------------------------
Fren Mallow Gallente Bluestar Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:48:00 - [39] Edited by: Fren Mallow on 03/04/2007 12:45:19 Hm.. Just an idea.. when is the DT for the chinese server?! Any link to a graph? Who does there the hotfixing? People from china or also the Iceland crew? Do they "hotfix" 2 servercluster at the same time? Maybe two or three times a week, the server boys from china could be in charge for "hotfixes" with a moved DT for the tranquility server.. I mean, where's the problem to reboot a server/having a look at the database when everything is running normal..? (outside the times when patches get applied, this should be possible) Just an idea.. .
Zilkin Amarr adeptus gattacus O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:49:00 - [40] As much I feel sorry for you aussies and other weirdos. Most players are from Europe and NA and downtimes are and should be scheduled to suit their play times.

Tarminic	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Robdon The coders should sort out their routines so that we don't need down time. Its ridicules that there is 1hr of down time every day. It needs to be coded correctly, so that it doesn't need taking down. Please explain how you would code eve to eliminate the need for downtime then. No, seriously. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected]) It's true, I swear.
Haxa Confederation of Red Miners Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.04.03 12:55:00 - [42] Originally by: Dai007 NOT SIGNED Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!. Get over it. From what ive seen, most of the time its less then a hour
Linerra Tedora Amarr The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:01:00 - [43] 1 : by staggering the downtime, you would end up with even more people complaining. Many people don't even read the forums, so would much less know that suddenly dt were during their prime time for the next 3 days or more... and therefore whine alot more. 2 : overtime pay is a [lady dog], and just who are going to pay for it? CCP certainly won't when it does not have to. 3 : Sorry you feel shafted, but you knew what you went into after you came out of trial. And yes, downtime is during my prime time most often too, and i'm not complaining, i just see it as a way to get stuff done like dinner and etc etc.
Brom Draco	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:01:00 - [44] Originally by: Waxau Originally by: Rhiannon Le'Tent Originally by: Waxau Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining. Of course we're complaining. Server shutdown from 0800 to 1400 GMT that equates to 18:00 to 0:00 Australian Eastern Standard Time. For those of us that work we have just lost a day of our months subscription due to an ill chosen update timeframe. While the daily server shutdowns are necessary they are a real pain for those of us living on the east coast of Australia as they occur between 21:00-22:00 every day. There isnÆt enough time between getting home from work and 21:00 to start many of the missions, so the large missions must be started after 22:00 and may run 1-3 hours depending on the missions. There is rarely enough time to get another of the missions in before having to get some sleep. Oh my - that means for that evening, you need to bother with real life Poor you... However in the real world, theres this thing where people dont whine about such trivial things. Gah the war on terror, the war in iraq, global hunger, breast cancer, eve's downtime.. spot the odd one out. Mate... we PAY to get away from the real world, dealing with work day in and out doing 10+hour days, wanting to escape into eve and have some fun - only to find that what you had been looking forward to is not available. Of course there is the REAL WORLD - we live in it everyday, why else would you play a game other than to escape? The issue is that I see it is that we have PAYED for a service that averyone pays equally (excluding exchange rates/currency conversion fees) for a service that we do not get equally. Dont give me "what suits the CCP staff" as I myself work in a Service company - where we actually provide the service that our clients are paying for. The origional post is lets try to come up with a system that would suit everyone - and be fair to everyone. If everyone won from this change - would you complain? - I think not. Since this is a global platform - expanding on the origional post, how about set times that change on a weekly basis rather than daily, that way there is plenty of notice for everyone - staff can be rostered to match the times (I am not sure about UK legistlation - but over hear this is ok, as it is still a set hour work week) Week1 DT England 10am Week2 DT USA 10am Week3 DT Australia Eastern 10am (Western Australia 8am) Week4 etc If a Service company - (EVE Online is providing a service, therefore I class them in this field) is aiming at expanding its customer base, and keep on board their existing customers, they have to keep with the demands of their clients. End Rant
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:08:00 - [45] Man the Aussies have been complaining about this since the servers went live in 2003. I doubt anything is going to change. I am dissapointed with the DT in general. I wish they implemented a better db system that didnt need daily downtimes. The MMO's I played before EvE required a single, weekly DT. We can only hope. -------------------
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:10:00 - [46] DT is timed to suit the people who work on the cluster, not you and you may not realise it but these people actually have lives outside of work. You're asking them to mess up their routines and free time just so you can play a computer game.
Krexus Amarr Reunited O X I D E	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:10:00 - [47] there is no "downtime" eve just needs some sleep 1 hour a day ! ----- I'm watching you spanking your monkey be afraid ..... be very afraid!!
Summer River	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:11:00 - [48] Awwwwww, poor widdle put upon Aussie. Personaly I think the current DT is perfectly timed. It means that I can arrive home from work, play the game for about 4-5 hours, have dinner at 11pm and head to bed, ready for work the next day. Oh, BTW, I am in New Zealand. You know, the coutry that CAN play rugby and win, unlike the Queensland Braindeads and the NSW Bunchatards..... sorry, I mean the Queensland Reds and the NSW Blues
Talkie Toaster Viziam	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:27:00 - [49] I can totaly understand why the aussies are upset about the times of the reboot. for the hour i susppose its not so bad, but when you take it down for 3 or 4 hours during a players peak time that they are still paying for it must get frustrating. i wonder how long it would be before the uk and surrounding timezone were complaining if these updates were done on sunday afternoons when the amount online is at its peak. we in the uk and surrounding sozes get quite lucky in that they are always done midweek at lunchtime when the majority of us are at work or at school. we dont miss out on the game because we cant be playing it anyway. However. from an operational point of view, i totaly understand why its done when it is. Whenever we reboot any of the servers or automation systems here (TV station) we always do it around 10-1200 so that should we have any problems we have all afternoon to get it right again. and this is from a group of people that work shifts and dodgy hours as it is. for those at CCP who do 9-5 the motivation to not be there at 5:05 is even greater. what really is the solution though. the only viable way around it would be to move the reboot times by 12 hours every week. that way one timezone gets the low blow one week while anotther gets it the next. the problem then comes in the form of overtime to staff, engineers, contacts with switcher companies and the like. though most of these services are open 24/7, they are predominatly staffed best during normal working hours of 8-6. if the server went down at 19:00 GMT for a reboot and they couldnt fix it because of lack of personnel we all know exactly what would happen. people would be all over the forum like a rash complaining that it be moved back.
Gralg Merglen Minmatar Fusion Enterprises Ltd DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:51:00 - [50] Edited by: Gralg Merglen on 03/04/2007 13:48:37 OMG ITS MY ONLY DAY OFF THIS WEEK AND IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE A PATCHDAY NERF DOWNTIMES PLZ CCP!!!! this is basically how i feel (yes it really is the only day i have off this week, gutted), but overblown to the level of your ****ing about DT being oh so late for you. so you're in another timezone. you have 2 choices, move to europe, or work nightshift :P edit: make that 3, stop complaining. Mods nerfed my monkey :( evil point*

Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.04.03 13:55:00 - [51] Edited by: Andrue on 03/04/2007 13:52:11 I can understand the OP's complaint but unfortunately their solution will just make things work. A constantly changing DT will confuse the the hell out of people. I bet it will even annoy the OP after a while. I know that if I had to put up with an hourly break during prime-time I'd rather it was at the same time every day so that I could plan around it. It is a great shame that we need a daily DT but we do and that's that. If the OP wants to propose an alternative time for DT let them choose another one that offers these advantages: * Occurs during UK office hours so that server staff can carry out the DT as part of normal working duties without incurring overtime costs. * Occurs when most players are otherwise engaged (European players are at school/work, North American players are asleep. I feel sorry for those people for whom DT is in prime time but I reckon that for over three-quarters of the playerbase DT is almost perfectly placed. Heck - even at the weekend it's pretty much lunch-time so Europeans can cover it by taking a meal break. This isn't about "CCP hate the Aussies". It's about "CCP wants to avoid inconveniencing the majority of the players". -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] Please don't read this signature.
Logi3 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.03 14:03:00 - [52] As already said: A) Its around CCP Hours in London B) Its also at the least popular play time C) 5-10 years from now Austraila will be a uninhabital country due to global warming, problem solved ;) Back to basics, back to pirating
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.03 14:17:00 - [53] Originally by: Andrue * Occurs during UK office hours so that server staff can carry out the DT as part of normal working duties without incurring overtime costs. This is perhaps the most important point of the whole argument. Personally, I'd rather have the scheduled DT to occur when the right people are in place to see it through, rather than adjust the time to accomodate a group of players. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Jain Za Jewel Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:34:00 - [54] Dear Lord baby jesus, with your little dypers and tiny legs, learnin about colours and shapes... please make our brothers from down-under realise that CCP wont change its schedule no matter how hard they whine. thank you baby jesus, amen.
Chequrself Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Jain Za Dear Lord baby jesus, with your little dypers and tiny legs, learnin about colours and shapes... please make our brothers from down-under realise that CCP wont change its schedule no matter how hard they whine. thank you baby jesus, amen. I find it interesting that the majority of responses have proffered nothing but "bah too hard cant do it's" or posts like the above quoted one which I think really takes the cake, or the babies bottle in this case. You have all stated that the Aussies continue to *** about this, no bones about it we efn hate it and rightly so. You want us to stop ***ing about it be constructive and come up with a viable alternative rather than carry on with your melodramatics. P.S ZOMG its like 1600 eve time and there is an unscheduled maint, I wonder whos doing it ... cant be ccp they dont work this late. P.P.S Thanks to the few for actually adding value to the whole process. -----------------------------------------------------------------
Cambo	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:50:00 - [56] would it not be possible for the aussies to play on the chinese cluster, i suppose you could maybe make all the chinese people speak english also.
Nahual Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:00:00 - [57] I'm not even ganna read it, these threads are popping up every couple of ...hours? days at the most. GET A LIFE! It's one hour of your day, I'm sure you'll get over it! goes back to sleep -----------------------------------------------
OneSock PLuSQuAMPERFEkT iNc	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:00:00 - [58] hold on a moment. CCP don't mess with the server every day do they ? Only patch days are the ones where things can seriously screw up. Which means the DT is mostly for (I presume) backups and general housekeeping which is unlikely to go wrong. This being the case I can't see why they can't move DT a few days a week to a later time slot. They could still keep DT at the normal time for Mon, Tue, Wed... and do any risky work during this time window ?
RaWBLooD	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:57:00 - [59] anyone considered ccp to get an office in australia or something or a way that patches can be applied without downtime to everyone (its been done in other games...) or partially over a few downtimes? miners-you can: switch, rob, wardec, nerf, scam them, buy below market, pirate them on their way to sell. mining < trading, ratting, manufacturing from market bought minerals,they still wont go away
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:04:00 - [60] Originally by: Blue Stratos Originally by: Chequrself Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:56:58 Originally by: Sahjahn sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it. Assuming you are correct, why doesn't dt commence at 0900? Seems to me you are just trying to justify it in its current form to protect yourself from possible impact of a scheduling change. I can understand why you are worried, we go through it every night. I am just trying for a fairer deal for those of us on or around +10 GMT timeline. I don't think that is too much to ask. I mean no disrecprt when i say this but EVE was deisgned for US/Eurpoer and then became avalible to aussies, we do not have the same times as you and no, it shouldnt be changed, devs should not have top eb called into work at 12 midnight to fix a probelm NO NO AND NO Move to europe :) Some of EVE's best PvPers are aussies. And it really does ** me off to see a '6pm -> midnight' downtime, with a 1hr playtime, followed by a "2am->4am" secondary downtime. It's not a monthly occurance, its weekly, we're paying for a 'lesser' service to a degree, and anyone saying boohoo, should really stfu, that's not a contribution towards the thread. CCP doesn't need downtimes every day, it's simply not possible to have the servers that** unstable that they can't run a solid week. God I hope this is under 24kb It is :) Kreul Intentions



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