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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:21:16
Hey,
CCP, could you please implement an alternative model for down time schedulings. The reason I ask this is because of the following facts;
Fact A) East-Coast Australia resides in the +10 GMT timezone or +11 GMT during daylight savings dependant upon which state you are in. Prime playing hours for this timezone is from around 0800 - 1300 eve time central.
Fact B) As you can tell from our prime playing hours, this is punctuated nightly by an hours pause, not ideal for l4 mission runners, although I am not one of these anymore.
Fact C) Australia is not the only eve playing nation on or around +10 GMT, Japan is +9, China is +8, so their prime playing hours would be affected also.
Fact D) Announcements of upcoming patches, such as the one currently being undertaken, sometimes catch non-regular forum readers unawares. In fact the current patch update would have caught me well unawares had it not been for a skill change I need to do this morning. It may have been on the in game news earlier but I only noticed it this morning my time.
What I Am Not Asking For
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A) I understand that this is a global game and any change in timings will impact on someone else, so I am not asking that CCP never put dt around GMT +10 prime playing hours.
B) I understand that this dt is performed during a standard English working day, I am not asking that you step outside of this for something like a 24hr rolling roster.
What I Am Asking For
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A) A more equitable solution to downtime timings, GTM +10 locals and neighbors pay just as much subscription as everyone else and should be entitled to the same/similar available playtime.
Possible Alternate Model
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Assuming that 1100 eve time is 1100 during the English working day, a possible new model is roll the start of the 1 hour dt over a 5 hour period that period being 1100-1400 eve time (et). Thus the roster would become something like:
Day 1: 1100-1200 et == 2100-2200 +10 GMT
Day 2: 1200-1300 et == 2200-2300 +10 GMT
Day 3: 1300-1400 et == 2300-0000 +10 GMT
Day 4: 1300-1500 et == 0000-0100 +10 GMT
Day 5: 1500-1600 et == 0100-0200 +10 GMT
Day 6: 1600-1700 et == 0200-0300 +10 GMT
Repeat from day one.
As you can see this gives those of us living in the +10 tz a little repreive from the current constant punctuation of our daily prime play hours without impacting others too significantly and without leaving the confines of the English working day.
Thanks,
Cheq
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:22:00 -
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Sahjahn
Caldari
Black Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:31:00 -
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sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
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RatBoy Deblade
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.03 09:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
And if the workers have to work night, ccp would be most unhappy cause workers working overtime cost a ****load of cash 
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:00:00 -
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Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:56:58
Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
Assuming you are correct, why doesn't dt commence at 0900? Seems to me you are just trying to justify it in its current form to protect yourself from possible impact of a scheduling change. I can understand why you are worried, we go through it every night.
I am just trying for a fairer deal for those of us on or around +10 GMT timeline. I don't think that is too much to ask.
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Kassidus
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:02:00 -
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FFS
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Nuxim
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Nuxim on 03/04/2007 10:00:42
DT for me begins at 2300 and 2400 during daylight savings, I really like it at that time, gives a good mid-break in my play sessions :)
The dt is chosen for CCP's convenience anyway
Changing the time everyday is absolutely ridiculous and no ones going to know when DT is.
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nuxim
and no ones going to know when DT is.
Errm don't know if you have noticed it but there is this little box that pops up, typically 3 times before dt telling you exactly when it is. And 5 minutes out it even has this mad little countdown, amazing hey :p
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Eye of God
X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:08:00 -
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This is the second thread you make about this, and thus i'll repeat what I said last time:
If it 'aint you aussie boys and girls getting the fork, it's someone else if you change it.
If it really means that much to you, move to another country tbh - Sorry I mean no disrespect, I really don't, but this argument is getting old. The work hours are as they are in London, and thats just the reality of things.
You can repeat it over and over ad nausium, but it won't change reality, and we all know reality can be a *bleep*, but what can you do.
DT isn't exactly convienient for me either, and I'm in Denmark.
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Stingwray
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:10:00 -
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You will never find a time when everybody will be happy for DT to occur, your idea of staggering the DT is nice in theory but would cause more people problem.
They would have to work out when DT was each day, depending on what day in the cycle they are on, which would be extremely annoying.
We all know that DT is at that time so that if there is a problem then it can be shorted out, the reason it is not right at the beginning of the day here in England is that you have to give sometime to the employees to get in, and get ready.
Just accept that this is when its going to be, and think of something else to do in that time, the world doesn't revolve around eve.
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Genesis Kiiths
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:10:00 -
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I think its a good idea, for us who live in New Zealand we are getting the down time at 11-12 at night.. which is really when most people are playing... T-T
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:12:00 -
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This has been discussed billions of times, it won't happen because CCP will do it at the best time for them, which has been 11GMT for years and years
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Chequrself
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 10:34:03
Originally by: Cadela Fria
This is the second thread you make about this, and thus i'll repeat what I said last time:
If it 'aint you aussie boys and girls getting the fork, it's someone else if you change it.
If it really means that much to you, move to another country tbh - Sorry I mean no disrespect, I really don't, but this argument is getting old. The work hours are as they are in London, and thats just the reality of things.
You can repeat it over and over ad nausium, but it won't change reality, and we all know reality can be a *bleep*, but what can you do.
DT isn't exactly convienient for me either, and I'm in Denmark.
Mate I am trying to be constructive and trying to offer constructive solutions to an ongoing issue for those of us on the +10 timeline. The suggestion that its you and will always be you so deal with it isn't very constructive IMHO.
Throwing ones hand up in the air going bah too hard doesnt help anyone, and by your own admissions this is a commonly raised issue, ignoring it won't make it obviously doesn't make it go away.
Oh and this is the second thread cause the first one got locked, apparently I was ranting sorry for that, trying very hard to be constructive this time.
EDIT: To the poster above, the reason it has been discussed a billion times is because it is an issue to a large player base. And it is so much of an issue I know of players that have left/not signed up after trial because of it.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:41:00 -
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HAY THE AUSSIES ARE SERIOUS OKAY!!
Also, IBTL.
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Drako Krakin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:45:00 -
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Edited by: Drako Krakin on 03/04/2007 10:48:48
Alternative idea (with an equal chance of happening)
Talk to the powers that be in the Australian government. Very politely ask them to change the time in Australia. Explain to them that if they can change the workday to be during the hours of darkness/semi-darkness, then that would clear more time up for family and the beach. Governments are real big on family issues. DonĘt mention Eve or they may instantly say no. I mean why change all work habits of a country just for a more convenient game time for a selection of players. Make it about the family.
Basically, I am pointing out that your changes only list how it helps you. List some things about how it helps CCP. ie longer weekends for employees, more time in preparation often equals less time on fast fixes because something was missed
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Melted
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:47:00 -
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Originally by: Chequrself
Edited by: Chequrself on 03/04/2007 09:56:58
Originally by: Sahjahn
sigh, this again. The time for the DT period is not set for player convenience it is set for employer convenience. It is set at 11am GMT so that should something go wrong they have a more or less an entire working day to sort it out, moving the time would mean people will have to stay late into the night. The DT isn't going to change and nor should it.
Assuming you are correct, why doesn't dt commence at 0900? Seems to me you are just trying to justify it in its current form to protect yourself from possible impact of a scheduling change. I can understand why you are worried, we go through it every night.
I am just trying for a fairer deal for those of us on or around +10 GMT timeline. I don't think that is too much to ask.
DT doesnt commence at 9 because they want a coffee first when they get to work 
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Robdon
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:48:00 -
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The coders should sort out their routines so that we don't need down time.
Its ridicules that there is 1hr of down time every day.
It needs to be coded correctly, so that it doesn't need taking down.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:49:00 -
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London England. You know the place you Aussies came from? Well that is where the servers are located, and maintained by a support staff.
I got news for you, brits dont work at night, they rather be home watching tv or at the Pubs.
Now if the servers were in Melborne, well then sure lets change it to a convient time for the support staff to work on it.
Untill then, remember your playing on a server that is "Up" here and not down under.
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Dai007
Caldari
Crabbs
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:52:00 -
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NOT SIGNED
Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!.
Get over it.
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Rico Naginata
DEATHFUNK
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Posted - 2007.04.03 10:54:00 -
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There is really no point in continuing this thread, the point is moot as DT is not influenced by players but by the staff who have to keep your game running.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:27:00 -
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Gah who would have guessed, its patch day, and the Australians are whining.
So what would you prefer? Set it at midnight GMT...Oh wait - Then the americans would whine.
I know.....set it at 10pm GMT - Oh wait - Then the Europeans would whine.
DT cannot be scheduled to be fair to one timezone, without being unfair to the other. The only way around it would be to set it at a convenient time for the company and employees. Work usually commenses at 9am....but - You're telling me the first thing the ccp employees would do, would be to reboot a server, and immediately start working on a patch? Come on.
11 am is a good time to start dt. Hell - it screws it up for European players anyhow. So stop complaining.
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:30:00 -
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I like to know when downtime is so I don;nt have to think about if I can login to change my skills, if I know its at same time everyday its alot easier to work around changiong the time all over would just cause frustration for so many.
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Ggrimreaper
Dreamscape
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Roshan longshot
London England. You know the place you Aussies came from? Well that is where the servers are located, and maintained by a support staff.
I got news for you, brits dont work at night, they rather be home watching tv or at the Pubs.
Hey, I live in england and work nights, and as many others have stated the servers are based in london, so the DT will be at a time which is suitable for the CCP staff here...
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dai007
NOT SIGNED
Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!.
Get over it.
Oh please. More often than not down-time is extended by an hour or two. So STFU.
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Waxau
Liberty Rogues
Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.03 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Dai007
NOT SIGNED
Jesus, it is for only 1 hour!!. ZOMG im gonna loose 1 hour on my lvl4 mission!!.
Get over it.
Oh please. More often than not down-time is extended by an hour or two. So STFU.
actually, 9 times out of 10, the servers up early. Only recently has it been delayed, due to hotfixes.
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Random Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:02:00 -
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Here's a radical Idea.
Why not design the software so that it can run for more than 24 hours.
looking at uptime on some of our servers I see numbers like 2.5 years
hehe , ok so maybe our stuff isnt so advanced , but 95% availablity truly sucks , most organisations mesure there availability to number of 9 after decimal place. 99.99% etc
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Tom Shandy
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Robdon
The coders should sort out their routines so that we don't need down time.
Its ridicules that there is 1hr of down time every day.
It needs to be coded correctly, so that it doesn't need taking down.
lol
Try giving advice to the DEVS when you actuallyknow how the biggest gaming cluster in the world works.
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PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Kassidus
FFS
QFT!- Post of the year! You win eve!
Back on topic. Im East coast Aust as well. I think you are going to be fighting an uphill battle on this one. Basically ccp have the choice of ****ing off a few convicts or alot of pratty Euro's and Yanks.
Just utilise d/t to actually catch up on RL- talk to the wife, put out the garbage, get up and away from your pc- you have probably been on it since getting home from work/uni/school/centrelink and I advise you to take this time to shower, shave and troll the eve-o forums etc.
Also you forgot to mention our friendly cuz's across the pond. Im sure there is some power supply to some of the primitive natives of NZ that is not being used for sheep shears...
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Edited by: Tommy TenKreds on 07/01/2007 14:24:00
Originally by: Sonos SAGD
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:13:00 -
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Making DT go each day one hour later or early will certainly bug people alot more, skill changes/plans/ops will be affected alot more by that. 1 hour is nothing, when i agent run 1 hour is a great time to go find something to eat.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.03 12:13:00 -
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Edited by: Marquis Dean on 03/04/2007 12:09:56
Originally by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Basically ccp have the choice of ****ing off a few convicts or alot of pratty Euro's and Yanks.
I don't think the entire European and US playerbase is pratty, just because we don't agree that the devs should have to work stupid hours to satisfy your powergaming cravings.
And how did '****ing' evade the profanity filter?
edit: Oh, right, yeah. Lol.
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