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Varia Net Caldari KO Solutions The Dead Parrots	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:00:00 - [61] Edited by: Varia Net on 03/04/2007 17:58:07 Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:55:47 Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:54:18 Well not mining of corse, people need their minerals and all of that, but I mean agent missions. Let's talk about the pros and cons. ... Not worth reading this crap. If CCP wants to cut its profits by banning the carebears and ruining ingame isk flow, and by scaring off the newcomers that aren't dumb enough, be it after a trial period, to spend 15/month to serve as cannon fodder in lowsec for dishonorable players that need gangs of 5 to attack and rob 1 victim, in the name of PVP, then it should have a look at your crap.
rodney trotter	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:04:00 - [62] Exlegion, you can and must allow players, its a MMO after all But you can strip down the game mechanics. You need * 1 player (the king of the hill), lets call him "omgipwn" * many victims for "omgipwn" Because victim's only job is to fall prey to the uber pvp skills of "omgipwn", victims dont need * weapons * different ships So only one (low polygon) ship model for our victims. "omgipwn" only flys the current fotm ship and setup anyhow. So, we only need 2 ship models, which will allow quite a few players before causing lag.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:12:00 - [63] Edited by: Nachshon on 03/04/2007 18:08:56 destroys thread with DD ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Varia Net Caldari KO Solutions The Dead Parrots	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: silmira i noticed that all the lolz i am hawt pirate and i pvp unlike other players tends to bash WoW for some reason is it The reason people bash WOW is on account of WOW being utter rubbish. The day WOW is not considered rubbish on these forums is the day this comunity dies. Yeah, well WOW at your corp of you and your 2 alts, without alliance? I think a corporation as State War Academy and its channel, is a community and should have a say. A nobody like you, should not tell us or CCP what to do. Mind your own business. Tbh, many of us haven't played WOW, perhaps you should enlighten us as you seem to have more knowlegde of WOW than EVE.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:17:00 - [65] Originally by: Varia Net Yeah, well WOW at your corp of you and your 2 alts, without alliance? Oh noes the member counr card! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK (runs and hides) Quote: A nobody like you, should not tell us or CCP what to do. Mind your own business. This thread was a QUESTION. You do know what a question is dont you? Quote: Tbh, many of us haven't played WOW, perhaps you should enlighten us as you seem to have more knowlegde of WOW than EVE. I tried the trial. It was rubbish. Just like you.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Varia Net to spend 15/month to serve as cannon fodder in lowsec for dishonorable players I agree with OP. Go back to WOW. Stop contaminating EVE with your fantasy/level/guild/magic/elves background. -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:20:00 - [67] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:55:47 Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:54:18 Well not mining of corse, people need their minerals and all of that, but I mean agent missions. Let's talk about the pros and cons. Pro : -less lag as mindless carebear drones would quit and go back to WOW. -less lag -less lag and less lag. Cons : Dunno really. Blueprints etc can be offered when you have killed x amount of players or whatever. Or.........everyone can buy blueprints like with t1. Dunno. But since EVE is a true PVP game then mission who...ehh runners should be removed. edit : Remove missions, add more complexes and move them all to low sec. Lots of mission runners migrating to low sec = more targets for pirates but their numbers would make then HARDER targets. Win-win situasion. Your not seeing the picture here are you Death Kill. What your suggesting is the DEATH of CCP and how to KILL off a great game. CCP and eve struggled to get a player base up and going for along time. Missions trippled the player base and complexes doubled that. Remove anything and it should be non consensual PvP, that would hurt the game less...... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Arnaud Amaury	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Death Kill -less lag -less lag and less lag. Cons : Dunno really. It strikes me that the above could be accomplished in small, one might even say individual, increments. Demonstrate the strength and sincerity of your convictions, lead us to the promised land! End yourself. Seriously.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Roshan longshot Your not seeing the picture here are you Death Kill. What your suggesting is the DEATH of CCP and how to KILL off a great game. CCP and eve struggled to get a player base up and going for along time. Missions trippled the player base and complexes doubled that. Remove anything and it should be non consensual PvP, that would hurt the game less...... No. I see the picture just fine. Yes CCP struggled back in 2003(due to bugs) but they are struggeling just as much today, not in terms of subscribers but in terms of server performance. Trying to PVP in a system with 100 pepople+ = stoopid.
Slide	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:28:00 - [70] Dear Death Kill, Beside the fact that i really don't understand why you should care about how other people want to play their own payed Eve account. i for certain don't care about your playstyle, go ahead do whatever you want. The thing i find really shamefull, even respectless, is the way you respond to people, calling them rubbish...it only weakens your already weak statement.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:38:00 - [71] I find I must refer to Winston Churchill to express my opinion on Death Kill... "I wish Death Kill no ill, but it would have been much better had he (and this thread) never lived." --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Grey Area I find I must refer to Winston Churchill to express my opinion on Death Kill... "I wish Death Kill no ill, but it would have been much better had he (and this thread) never lived." I will fight you on the biotches
podadot	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:40:00 - [73] may i suggest a different game, I don't think eve is the game for you
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:06:00 - [74] /me munches on his popcorn, enjoying the flame wars I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. a forum thread you need to read
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Roshan longshot Your not seeing the picture here are you Death Kill. What your suggesting is the DEATH of CCP and how to KILL off a great game. CCP and eve struggled to get a player base up and going for along time. Missions trippled the player base and complexes doubled that. Remove anything and it should be non consensual PvP, that would hurt the game less...... No. I see the picture just fine. Yes CCP struggled back in 2003(due to bugs) but they are struggeling just as much today, not in terms of subscribers but in terms of server performance. Trying to PVP in a system with 100 pepople+ = stoopid. 2003 was bug free for me...the problem I had was less the 3k people on line at ANY given time. But try to update your systems and do what I do...turn everything down or off. So find 1 of 3000k people to shoot=stoopid Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Blind Man Kemono. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:35:00 - [76] no, no it wouldn't..the game economy would die before you could say LOL, MISSIONZ
Swirled Amarr The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:35:00 - [77] Edited by: Swirled on 03/04/2007 19:34:10 Gotta love these posts designed to wind people up =] If lag is the real issue you have with mission runners, then there are far more rational solutions to situations such as this (IE Splitting Agents Up From Hub Systems, Maybe even limiting number of people able to run missions from one agent at any one time, but at the same time adding more of the same quality agent in other systems / regions ) I dont believe CCP Would ever get rid of its PVE Content. Bad for players, Bad For Business. --- Just My Opinion Of Course... ---
Ingols	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:38:00 - [78] Uh, yea, I think totally banning PvE will draw people to EvE in droves and droves. Server population will double, no triple , no quadruple as all the PvE are systematically booted off the server. Everything will be listed at 100isk just like on the test server, and be available in huge quantities that will never run out and are available every other system. Will that make you happy?
1v1 Cake Factory	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:45:00 - [79] EvE is hardcore, we all know that. But there will always be people who do not want to engage in the pvp side of the game. Removing pve from EvE would turn an already niche mmorpg into an overwhelmingly alienating device for the majority of players FIRST entering the game, such a move would be far to dangerous for CCP ever to consider. --------------------------------------------------- Cake Factory: Bulk discounted T2, BS BPC's.
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:54:00 - [80] Edited by: Nye Jaran on 03/04/2007 19:51:44 That's a great idea, but it needs to be expanded on Remove all roid belts from high-sec, and change the distribution so that only the high-sec ores are available in low-sec, everything else is in 0.0. Remove all agents completely, which removes the need for standings with NPC Corps so we can ditch all that too. That would remove a majority of the carebears, and force all of the miners and mission runners out into (at least) lowsec, giving all you pirates a plethora of juicy targets. Since you've stated that your goal is to eliminate lag, we also need to look at hard caps. I'd propose no more than 100 person in a system. Only allow 1 fleet per alliance in the system with the fleet size limited to 50 people max. Sure, that will get rid of the epic battles, but given some of the recent events, it'll remove a lot of controversy too. Of course, you could just go back to running BGs in WoW, twink!
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:13:00 - [81] Originally by: Nye Jaran Edited by: Nye Jaran on 03/04/2007 19:51:44 That's a great idea, but it needs to be expanded on Remove all roid belts from high-sec, and change the distribution so that only the high-sec ores are available in low-sec, everything else is in 0.0. Remove all agents completely, which removes the need for standings with NPC Corps so we can ditch all that too. That would remove a majority of the carebears, and force all of the miners and mission runners out into (at least) lowsec, giving all you pirates a plethora of juicy targets. Since you've stated that your goal is to eliminate lag, we also need to look at hard caps. I'd propose no more than 100 person in a system. Only allow 1 fleet per alliance in the system with the fleet size limited to 50 people max. Sure, that will get rid of the epic battles, but given some of the recent events, it'll remove a lot of controversy too. Of course, you could just go back to running BGs in WoW, twink! I like this idea. Many more miners for me to kill and grief, those stupid miners ! How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
Lemen Meringue Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:20:00 - [82] Looking forward to the hot pod-on-pod action in the pve-less game!
Falarica	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:19:00 - [83] The first thing I thought of when I saw the topic of this was that it was some intellectual discussion about how this would affect the game, long and short term. Immediately I felt that the game would be pretty much screwed, I read the posts and found flame and troll bait. However I was thinking of a possibility that could be interesting. What if in a a world event, or in events relating to the news NPC agents or corp went on strike? This, depending on how it was handled could be interesting if, say, a part of Creodrone went on strike? Depending on who, what, and how a strike occurred, the game could take an interesting change of direction for a month or so. It might be too difficult to put into practice, while still making a noticable change within the game, and have little long term impacts on the game. It could be interesting.
Fader Bane Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:25:00 - [84] OP sounds like the WoW players he hates so much.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:37:00 - [85] Not really worth discussing. CCP is in the software bussiness to make money, that means appealling to as broad an audience as possible. Beleive it or not, some players like grinding away at those missions. I will say that you've got it backwards though. What needs to be taken out if mining, not pve. Both are a means to make isk and even miners admit they are bored as all hell when their in an op. -Bart
Onchas Erivvia The Andromeda Directorate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Death Kill But since EVE is a true PVP game then mission who...ehh runners should be removed. Seriously? How many games have you played? Have you ever tried Warbirds, WWIIOL, and of the Battlefields. Eve is not "true" PvP. It's a skill tree/template game just most other massive multiplayer games. The only thing Eve does different is it makes PvP permissive in more environments. Go play a Massive Multiplayer sim like WWIIOL and come back here and talk to me about "true PvP" -- where your ability to fly, tank, shoot, and move without skill trees or templates determines the outcome of a fight. PvP in Eve is amusing, but it's nothing near "true" PvP. ------------------------------------------ 'Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
FarScape III Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:17:00 - [87] I like the stories but if anything the PvE needs to have even more stories to it but the COSMOS stories are ok. But I like it all myself PvP and PvE even when they mix. The only times I heard of any real lag is when blobbing and when everyone is selling and buy ing in one system, none of witch bother me. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:34:00 - [88] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Grey Area I find I must refer to Winston Churchill to express my opinion on Death Kill... "I wish Death Kill no ill, but it would have been much better had he (and this thread) never lived." I will fight you on the biotches I think you're OP is a bit misguided, but that quote was funny. ------------------- Say What?
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.04 01:00:00 - [89] well... if you want to turn Eve into Counterstrike in space... thats what that will accomplish... and yes.. it will be less lag... but it will be a MAJOR nerf to CCP's wallet... (you have no idea how many people play just to collect stuff, or mission or afraid of pvp...... but hey, they do pay a very very signifercant portion of CCP's revenue...) so... yeah... time for op to go back to playing counterstrike... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Veneth	Posted - 2007.04.04 01:15:00 - [90] Edited by: Veneth on 04/04/2007 01:12:26 I dunno the game would probably die, seeing as how all you pvp only nut jobs can't seem to fathom the fact that gasp. We Mission runners pay to play as well and we also make up a significant portion of the population. with that said, go back to trolling ;)

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