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Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 14:58:00 - [1] Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:55:47 Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:54:18 Well not mining of corse, people need their minerals and all of that, but I mean agent missions. Let's talk about the pros and cons. Pro : -less lag as mindless carebear drones would quit and go back to WOW. -less lag -less lag and less lag. Cons : Dunno really. Blueprints etc can be offered when you have killed x amount of players or whatever. Or.........everyone can buy blueprints like with t1. Dunno. But since EVE is a true PVP game then mission who...ehh runners should be removed. edit : Remove missions, add more complexes and move them all to low sec. Lots of mission runners migrating to low sec = more targets for pirates but their numbers would make then HARDER targets. Win-win situasion.
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition Phobos Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:01:00 - [2] all i have to say is wow... and not the game. this has to be a BS post, if not.. don your flame suit.. they are inc. My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Brolly Caldari Morphic field	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:05:00 - [3] /me collapses due to brain being overloaded by utter BS Wow, speak about looking through the eye of a needle I stink yo feer
Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:05:00 - [4] Edited by: Diicc Tater on 03/04/2007 15:02:43 simple.. no whines no carebears to pop no mission whes to harras and No more plex whring for a ceRtain Alliance yep. plex = PvE would be a very boring game. Sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me!
Korcahn Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:07:00 - [5] Some might move to low-sec, I guess. But most would just leave the game. ___________________________________
Gone'Postal Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:08:00 - [6] why not convert CCP to PVE and remove all PVP. Originally by: Dark Shikari Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier. Tripping The Rift Since 2005
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:09:00 - [7] You also are wrong LEss lag in every day useage? Maybe. Less lag for fleet battles, alliance warfare, etc? Not. The problem with lag is the software/database, not PvE. Even if you kicked everyone but the ships that were going to take place in that last blob you STILL would have lagged out. I say get rid of alliances. Its obvious that they are creating node-crashing lag that PvE does NOT create. In addition they KNOW they are creating it and purposely using that lag as a combat tactic, hence are guilty of purposely crashing the servers and violating the EULA <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Phena	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:10:00 - [8] Sure, then you could lose a large chunk of the profit the game makes, then the company could shut down, then you would never have to worry about lag as there would be no game to have lag.
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:13:00 - [9] Theyre better off banning players with ideas like this Your signature is inappropriate. Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:17:00 - [10] Your changes aren't enough to combat the ever-increasing lag present in EVE. There's only one real solution: The removal of gates altogether. Think about how awesome it would be! -Mission runners would be isolated in their little carebeary world, forced to do those lame PvE things with CRAPtacular agents LOLZ. -All those traders would have nothing to do anymore so they could just go back to being dumb in real life. Go effect the WoW economy, nubs. -No jumpqueues!!!!won -All alliances would have to build capital ships to invade other alliances and expand n stuff, which sounds like a great idea to me! If there's one thing we don't see enough of right now it's capital ships by FAR. Bigger guns = More awesome ness but not in a * way. Because i'm totallie not *. SRSLY. -Much stronger sense of community in systems. Everyone love local chat, rite? I really don't see any potential downside to this, really. <sig> IBTL! IBDS! And other such forum tom-foolery. </sig>

Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:18:00 - [11] Edited by: Plutoinum on 03/04/2007 15:14:34 The game would lose a lot of its content, not only the npcs, but every aspect where npc drops are involved. Left would be a bit pvp, mining and production/industry that doesn't require npc drops. Sounds a bit boring. Less stuff I can do and less targets to hunt, kill, ransom. And I don't want to pvp all day long like in a shooter. I like the mix. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Elienee	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:26:00 - [12] Death kill must be joking, I really cant take his post serious. But to those who claim EVE is a PVP game only, havent got a clue what they are talking about. If there are people like Death kill out there, who wants PVP only, why not play FPS games instead? So in return telling us carebears to go and play WoW, I suggest those hardcore PVP players go and play counterstrike instead, if EVE doesnt suit them
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:29:00 - [13] I fear you are a bit late, this would be a good post got April Fools day. Noob in training...
Jastra Gallente Gallente Venture Inc Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:29:00 - [14] I am not a mindless drone and I've never played WOW
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:30:00 - [15] Ban PVE = Less lag Is it really just that simple to you? I'd hate to be your business partner.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:32:00 - [16] Originally by: Death Kill edit : Remove missions, add more complexes and move them all to low sec. Lots of mission runners migrating to low sec = more targets for pirates but their numbers would make then HARDER targets. Win-win situasion. So you're saying Missions = bad pve. Complexes = good pve. I'll give ya 1/10 on the troll-a-meter. ------------------- Say What?
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:35:00 - [17] I hate missions. If people want to waste there lives even more then by just playing MMO, but playing a MMO in the most boring way possible, who am I to care? They can stay there...im having fun elsewhere.
Spoon Thumb Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:37:00 - [18] On the plus side, no nightmare for you (like i see you have in your bio picture) since no one can get it since no agents or anyhting anymore Khaldari Research Services BPO Shop KPA Recruiting!
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:37:00 - [19] Originally by: Roy Batty68 I'll give ya 1/10 on the troll-a-meter. Nah, its more like his ickle brain has worked out that if he directly calls for a nerf to high sec missions he will be ignored. So he tries to dress up his gimme more easy targets post as a lag solution post. Which will be ignored. Personally, I would like to see less NPCs in the game, but I would start by removing the static complexes.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:37:00 - [20] How about they remove grief.. erm pirates instead? --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?

Brutor Shaun Minmatar Freelancers UK Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:43:00 - [21] Might as well feed the troll seeing as I've got nothing better to do at the moment..... [feed troll] Eve is a game. It has many aspects, all of which are available to every subscriber. Just because it's big and clever to PvP endlessly, doesn't mean everyone has to do it. I pay for the game, and I'll play it how I want. [/feed troll] Drone Love - My skills
Mesacc Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:43:00 - [22] You remove PVE and you kill EVE. Like it or not, agree with it or not, PVE is part of the game. You take that away, you will lose half the subscribers at first, then later on when all the blood thirsty PVPers run out of folks to kill you will lose the rest. Theres a balance to things. You cant take away one without it effecting the other. As for lag...Thats part of any MMO. Removing gate bookmarks were supposed to reduce lag but its worse than ever now. Its not gonna go away.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:43:00 - [23] I'm not rich enough to PvP without stopping for a bit every now and then to replace ships. PvE content is less boring than mining.
Mastin Dragonfly Absolutely No Return	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:47:00 - [24] Remove PvE will make a lot of ppl quit, less ppl playing is less ppl paying is no more new shiny PvP stuff for you cause CCP won't have enough $$$ to pay their devs.
Dread Operative SniggWaffe Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:52:00 - [25] Killing carebears is fun. You can't kill carebears without carebears. PvE carebears.
Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:53:00 - [26] Let. It. Die. This thread merits NO further response. --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Vasiliyan Aliastra	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Death Kill But since EVE is a true PVP game then mission who...ehh runners should be removed. This isn't very well thought out, is it? Do you earn all your money from PvP? Where do you get your stuff from? Fleet battles are also a major cause of lag, so we should ban them as well, by your rationale...
Qwi Wealth	Posted - 2007.04.03 15:56:00 - [28] clap clap to the OP. To have even less lag, we can also suggest removing markets and contract system. Everyone will need to use trade window when docked in station. Thet would be nice as we will be able to meet each other in person. As PvP drones do not lag at all (only do that the PvE drones), I suggest to include as violation of EULA launching a drone if u plan to do anything else than attacking other player. If there will be no drops from PvE, we will also remove all named stuff. That's good! less items means less lag. I think we can also force miners to have at least 50% offensive guns. I suggest also to add as violation of EULA fitting a miner ship just for mining. Haulers, freighters and all the ships that can't fit weapons on highs should also be removed. They lag! In fact, we will remove all ppl that hates PvP but plays EVE. That would be good against lag! less people means less lag, however, CCP will not like it so much, because they will have less monthly income, but... who cares? That lets us 3 kinds of people: the ones that are killing each other, the ones that are producing items for the killers, and the ones that gets materials to produce items for the killers. That will let the PvP people in top of the pyramid! nice. Things that do not lag at all like 1000 ppl fleets shold be encouraged. In fact, I suggest to ban all people that deserves to fly alone or in packs of less than 50 guys. Cheers. Qwi.
Ashturi Nagano Mantigen Quanta	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:10:00 - [29] I am a bit curious how this would help anything. Let's say that this happened. Let's say that all PvE (besides mining) was removed. What would happen? Within a short time (maybe two weeks), not only would many people have left, but all the money in the game is...gone. NO PvE means: No 'plexes. No rats. Only PvP...which, in case you haven't noticed, doesn't really give out money on any kind of regular basis. Which means that we could get rid of belts, because noone would be able to afford anything anymore, which means that everyone (and I mean everyone) who plays would eventually end up in the starter ship with their n00b gun and mining turret. Of course, they could overhaul the entire game to do that, but what would replace it? Wampum? Wait, no, that was money, too. Gold? Wait, same as money. I suppose everyone COULD do a straight item exchange...minerals for whatever. But then, it's no longer a PvP game, but about half mining, half killing. So...even MORE PvEers around, but this time, they're not even doing anything interesting...just mining. I guess I just don't understand people who think that everything should be about PvP. Sure, this game has more PvP than most. But guess what? A lot of people play MMO games to socialize...not just to kill their fellow human beings (or digital avatars thereof). I'm sorry that you, apparently, are quite the anti-social psychotic.
Marquis Dean The Last Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:16:00 - [30] Originally by: Grey Area Let. It. Die. This thread merits NO further response. Listen to this man! --- Mods stop nerfing my sig! Err - what sig? - Timmeh Yes quite!

Xs 142	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:17:00 - [31] I'd say they'd benefit from PvE in the same way as WoW would benefit from PvP.. In the current situation, a horde of nutjjobs would be the gain, so naaah. Originally by: Oveur Eternally yours, The other dumbass
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:28:00 - [32] Yes! Ban all NPC's. Let game be populated only by players. Stations? Pff, ban them! Only player build ones allowed! Concord? Gone too! Players needs to guard players! And mining? Well, thats kewl. Get mining to get cash. Get rid of insurance too! Now, figure out where you get ISK from? Mining? That comes from other players. Where do they get ISK? .. Mmm? Proud member of Cult of War and Amarr 4tw Finnish people seeking PvP, contact me ingame!
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Korcahn Some might move to low-sec, I guess. But most would just leave the game. Yeah this is where the 'less lag' arguement enters the picture ;)
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:48:00 - [34] Originally by: w0rmy Theyre better off banning players with ideas like this Or banning people with 'inappropriate signatures'. Please read the forum rules before posting w0rmy.
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:50:00 - [35] Yes.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Vasiliyan Originally by: Death Kill But since EVE is a true PVP game then mission who...ehh runners should be removed. This isn't very well thought out, is it? Do you earn all your money from PvP? Where do you get your stuff from? Fleet battles are also a major cause of lag, so we should ban them as well, by your rationale... Different sources. Playing the market is just one of my incomes. Its great. Beats being a mindless drone doing missions all day long.
Blue Stratos Amarr Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:51:00 - [37] falls over laughing Omg ur actually serious Without carebears, we would be screwed Originally by: CCP Sharkbait think the problem is found. last startup now.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Spoon Thumb On the plus side, no nightmare for you (like i see you have in your bio picture) since no one can get it since no agents or anyhting anymore There could be other means to gain loyalty point from the different factions. Why limit it to missions?
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:54:00 - [39] Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 16:52:34 Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 16:50:29 Originally by: Blue Stratos falls over laughing Omg ur actually serious Without carebears, we would be screwed Put on your glasses on son and read. Not ban on mining, just misison whoring. You would still be able to mine as much as you want, no way I would take away your veldspar pleasure.
Fafnir Drake Gallente Boob Heads	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:54:00 - [40] Edited by: Fafnir Drake on 03/04/2007 16:53:05 Whiny BS overload.... beep Reboot....... Not enough targets for ya? Coming from a forced carebear:(I try to PvP, but less than 4 months old, so doesn't quite work. Getting there tho). 5 Options for OP (Feeding troll here). Quit, go back to WOW, and roll a lock. Fight other pirates. Join Privateers. Be a man and war dec concord/gank random people in high sec. Join a side in the Great EVE war, then go into the opposing sides home systems. EDIT P.S. Carebears go Yarr! ------ "A wise man once told me never to argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience."

Badhands Gallente DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:56:00 - [41] Originally by: Elienee Death kill must be joking, I really cant take his post serious. But to those who claim EVE is a PVP game only, havent got a clue what they are talking about. If there are people like Death kill out there, who wants PVP only, why not play FPS games instead? So in return telling us carebears to go and play WoW, I suggest those hardcore PVP players go and play counterstrike instead, if EVE doesnt suit them You hear that, Oveur?! You haven't got a clue! Jeeze nub ... WTS: Clue. Go play FPS games. What the hell? Who here REALLY hasn't got a clue?
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:56:00 - [42] u missed april fools day by 48 hours mate. Too bad cuz it was quite the funny joke u had going there for a moment.. u were joking right? Resized tag... again... hope this pleases the tag ninjas from ccp... again :p
Yasu Tomohotei	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:56:00 - [43] lol at the uber pvper-pirate-market-tycoon. If you have half a brain, you would have realized that 'stuff' (bpc, mineral, isk ...) need to come from PvE because a PvP source would be exploited to death.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Yasu Tomohotei lol at the uber pvper-pirate-market-tycoon. If you have half a brain, you would have realized that 'stuff' (bpc, mineral, isk ...) need to come from PvE because a PvP source would be exploited to death. The market would survive with mining only. Who needs misisons? WOW players.
Lucifer Fellblade Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.03 16:59:00 - [45] Originally by: 000Hunter000 u missed april fools day by 48 hours mate. Too bad cuz it was quite the funny joke u had going there for a moment.. u were joking right? I think CCP pulled this one last year, not sure, I vaguely remember something like it. ------
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:06:00 - [46] Rofl, what a tard. Yeah, do something which would take away a crap load of CCP's revenue. GG.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:07:00 - [47] Originally by: hedfunk Rofl, what a tard. Yeah, do something which would take away a crap load of CCP's revenue. GG. CCP doesnt ned more money. They need better/more stabile servers.
silmira	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:07:00 - [48] i noticed that all the lolz i am hawt pirate and i pvp unlike other players tends to bash WoW for some reason is it a) they played it on pvp server and got bashed to pulp b) can pvp only in i am so big ship and in lag only c) is only looking for excuse to gank ppl let me qoute "so called carebears" by removing all game balance. if answer is c you got to go get laided serious time. That is if you can find someone who can tolerate your epeen stroking. Oh i forgot if you so ballsy about pvp oh my goodness go play lineage2
Yasu Tomohotei	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:09:00 - [49] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Yasu Tomohotei lol at the uber pvper-pirate-market-tycoon. If you have half a brain, you would have realized that 'stuff' (bpc, mineral, isk ...) need to come from PvE because a PvP source would be exploited to death. The market would survive with mining only. Who needs misisons? WOW players. Well, think about missions as "enhanced" mining where roid shoot back. Because it's the case, no more no less. Problem solved ?
Yasu Tomohotei	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:09:00 - [50] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Yasu Tomohotei lol at the uber pvper-pirate-market-tycoon. If you have half a brain, you would have realized that 'stuff' (bpc, mineral, isk ...) need to come from PvE because a PvP source would be exploited to death. The market would survive with mining only. Who needs misisons? WOW players. Well, think about missions as "enhanced" mining where roid shoot back. Because it's the case, no more no less. Problem solved ?

Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:11:00 - [51] Originally by: silmira i noticed that all the lolz i am hawt pirate and i pvp unlike other players tends to bash WoW for some reason is it The reason people bash WOW is on account of WOW being utter rubbish. The day WOW is not considered rubbish on these forums is the day this comunity dies.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:11:00 - [52] Originally by: silmira i noticed that all the lolz i am hawt pirate and i pvp unlike other players tends to bash WoW for some reason is it The reason people bash WOW is on account of WOW being utter rubbish. The day WOW is not considered rubbish on these forums is the day this comunity dies.
rodney trotter	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:26:00 - [53] I really hope this is a joke, or at least an attempt at trolling. Let me see: I mine minerals, I sell the minerals for isk. Where do the isk come from? * not from mining (last i checked, there are no roids with isk, only minerals) * not from pvp (i can only loot things already IN the economy) * not from plexes / loot (i still need to sell the stuff for isk, which leads to the question: where does isk come from) So, the only thing, which brings money INTO the economy is: * mission running * NPC killing (for bounty) * making 1.000.000 new chars and transfering the starting isk If you take away the first 2, happy gaming experience :-)
rodney trotter	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:26:00 - [54] I really hope this is a joke, or at least an attempt at trolling. Let me see: I mine minerals, I sell the minerals for isk. Where do the isk come from? * not from mining (last i checked, there are no roids with isk, only minerals) * not from pvp (i can only loot things already IN the economy) * not from plexes / loot (i still need to sell the stuff for isk, which leads to the question: where does isk come from) So, the only thing, which brings money INTO the economy is: * mission running * NPC killing (for bounty) * making 1.000.000 new chars and transfering the starting isk If you take away the first 2, happy gaming experience :-)
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:32:00 - [55] The best way to get rid of lag is just to get rid of all those pesky players. No players = no lag. Simple. Regards, Gortimus de Minimus Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:32:00 - [56] The best way to get rid of lag is just to get rid of all those pesky players. No players = no lag. Simple. Regards, Gortimus de Minimus Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:33:00 - [57] Originally by: rodney trotter So, the only thing, which brings money INTO the economy is: * mission running * NPC killing (for bounty) * making 1.000.000 new chars and transfering the starting isk Insurances. Earning isk would mainly be building ships and self-destructing without npcs. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:33:00 - [58] Originally by: rodney trotter So, the only thing, which brings money INTO the economy is: * mission running * NPC killing (for bounty) * making 1.000.000 new chars and transfering the starting isk Insurances. Earning isk would mainly be building ships and self-destructing without npcs. ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:42:00 - [59] Edited by: Exlegion on 03/04/2007 17:43:03 Originally by: Gort The best way to get rid of lag is just to get rid of all those pesky players. No players = no lag. Simple. Regards, Gortimus de Minimus I guess I'm gonna have to QFT . One of us, equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Exlegion New Light	Posted - 2007.04.03 17:42:00 - [60] Edited by: Exlegion on 03/04/2007 17:43:03 Originally by: Gort The best way to get rid of lag is just to get rid of all those pesky players. No players = no lag. Simple. Regards, Gortimus de Minimus I guess I'm gonna have to QFT . One of us, equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru

Varia Net Caldari KO Solutions The Dead Parrots	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:00:00 - [61] Edited by: Varia Net on 03/04/2007 17:58:07 Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:55:47 Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:54:18 Well not mining of corse, people need their minerals and all of that, but I mean agent missions. Let's talk about the pros and cons. ... Not worth reading this crap. If CCP wants to cut its profits by banning the carebears and ruining ingame isk flow, and by scaring off the newcomers that aren't dumb enough, be it after a trial period, to spend 15/month to serve as cannon fodder in lowsec for dishonorable players that need gangs of 5 to attack and rob 1 victim, in the name of PVP, then it should have a look at your crap.
rodney trotter	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:04:00 - [62] Exlegion, you can and must allow players, its a MMO after all But you can strip down the game mechanics. You need * 1 player (the king of the hill), lets call him "omgipwn" * many victims for "omgipwn" Because victim's only job is to fall prey to the uber pvp skills of "omgipwn", victims dont need * weapons * different ships So only one (low polygon) ship model for our victims. "omgipwn" only flys the current fotm ship and setup anyhow. So, we only need 2 ship models, which will allow quite a few players before causing lag.
Nachshon Caldari Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:12:00 - [63] Edited by: Nachshon on 03/04/2007 18:08:56 destroys thread with DD ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom
Varia Net Caldari KO Solutions The Dead Parrots	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: silmira i noticed that all the lolz i am hawt pirate and i pvp unlike other players tends to bash WoW for some reason is it The reason people bash WOW is on account of WOW being utter rubbish. The day WOW is not considered rubbish on these forums is the day this comunity dies. Yeah, well WOW at your corp of you and your 2 alts, without alliance? I think a corporation as State War Academy and its channel, is a community and should have a say. A nobody like you, should not tell us or CCP what to do. Mind your own business. Tbh, many of us haven't played WOW, perhaps you should enlighten us as you seem to have more knowlegde of WOW than EVE.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:17:00 - [65] Originally by: Varia Net Yeah, well WOW at your corp of you and your 2 alts, without alliance? Oh noes the member counr card! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK (runs and hides) Quote: A nobody like you, should not tell us or CCP what to do. Mind your own business. This thread was a QUESTION. You do know what a question is dont you? Quote: Tbh, many of us haven't played WOW, perhaps you should enlighten us as you seem to have more knowlegde of WOW than EVE. I tried the trial. It was rubbish. Just like you.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:20:00 - [66] Originally by: Varia Net to spend 15/month to serve as cannon fodder in lowsec for dishonorable players I agree with OP. Go back to WOW. Stop contaminating EVE with your fantasy/level/guild/magic/elves background. -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:20:00 - [67] Originally by: Death Kill Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:55:47 Edited by: Death Kill on 03/04/2007 14:54:18 Well not mining of corse, people need their minerals and all of that, but I mean agent missions. Let's talk about the pros and cons. Pro : -less lag as mindless carebear drones would quit and go back to WOW. -less lag -less lag and less lag. Cons : Dunno really. Blueprints etc can be offered when you have killed x amount of players or whatever. Or.........everyone can buy blueprints like with t1. Dunno. But since EVE is a true PVP game then mission who...ehh runners should be removed. edit : Remove missions, add more complexes and move them all to low sec. Lots of mission runners migrating to low sec = more targets for pirates but their numbers would make then HARDER targets. Win-win situasion. Your not seeing the picture here are you Death Kill. What your suggesting is the DEATH of CCP and how to KILL off a great game. CCP and eve struggled to get a player base up and going for along time. Missions trippled the player base and complexes doubled that. Remove anything and it should be non consensual PvP, that would hurt the game less...... Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Arnaud Amaury	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:20:00 - [68] Originally by: Death Kill -less lag -less lag and less lag. Cons : Dunno really. It strikes me that the above could be accomplished in small, one might even say individual, increments. Demonstrate the strength and sincerity of your convictions, lead us to the promised land! End yourself. Seriously.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:23:00 - [69] Originally by: Roshan longshot Your not seeing the picture here are you Death Kill. What your suggesting is the DEATH of CCP and how to KILL off a great game. CCP and eve struggled to get a player base up and going for along time. Missions trippled the player base and complexes doubled that. Remove anything and it should be non consensual PvP, that would hurt the game less...... No. I see the picture just fine. Yes CCP struggled back in 2003(due to bugs) but they are struggeling just as much today, not in terms of subscribers but in terms of server performance. Trying to PVP in a system with 100 pepople+ = stoopid.
Slide	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:28:00 - [70] Dear Death Kill, Beside the fact that i really don't understand why you should care about how other people want to play their own payed Eve account. i for certain don't care about your playstyle, go ahead do whatever you want. The thing i find really shamefull, even respectless, is the way you respond to people, calling them rubbish...it only weakens your already weak statement.

Grey Area Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:38:00 - [71] I find I must refer to Winston Churchill to express my opinion on Death Kill... "I wish Death Kill no ill, but it would have been much better had he (and this thread) never lived." --- I don't mind you disagreeing with me. Just don't say I don't have the SKILLS to comment.
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:40:00 - [72] Originally by: Grey Area I find I must refer to Winston Churchill to express my opinion on Death Kill... "I wish Death Kill no ill, but it would have been much better had he (and this thread) never lived." I will fight you on the biotches
podadot	Posted - 2007.04.03 18:40:00 - [73] may i suggest a different game, I don't think eve is the game for you
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:06:00 - [74] /me munches on his popcorn, enjoying the flame wars I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. a forum thread you need to read
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:30:00 - [75] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Roshan longshot Your not seeing the picture here are you Death Kill. What your suggesting is the DEATH of CCP and how to KILL off a great game. CCP and eve struggled to get a player base up and going for along time. Missions trippled the player base and complexes doubled that. Remove anything and it should be non consensual PvP, that would hurt the game less...... No. I see the picture just fine. Yes CCP struggled back in 2003(due to bugs) but they are struggeling just as much today, not in terms of subscribers but in terms of server performance. Trying to PVP in a system with 100 pepople+ = stoopid. 2003 was bug free for me...the problem I had was less the 3k people on line at ANY given time. But try to update your systems and do what I do...turn everything down or off. So find 1 of 3000k people to shoot=stoopid Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Blind Man Kemono. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:35:00 - [76] no, no it wouldn't..the game economy would die before you could say LOL, MISSIONZ
Swirled Amarr The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:35:00 - [77] Edited by: Swirled on 03/04/2007 19:34:10 Gotta love these posts designed to wind people up =] If lag is the real issue you have with mission runners, then there are far more rational solutions to situations such as this (IE Splitting Agents Up From Hub Systems, Maybe even limiting number of people able to run missions from one agent at any one time, but at the same time adding more of the same quality agent in other systems / regions ) I dont believe CCP Would ever get rid of its PVE Content. Bad for players, Bad For Business. --- Just My Opinion Of Course... ---
Ingols	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:38:00 - [78] Uh, yea, I think totally banning PvE will draw people to EvE in droves and droves. Server population will double, no triple , no quadruple as all the PvE are systematically booted off the server. Everything will be listed at 100isk just like on the test server, and be available in huge quantities that will never run out and are available every other system. Will that make you happy?
1v1 Cake Factory	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:45:00 - [79] EvE is hardcore, we all know that. But there will always be people who do not want to engage in the pvp side of the game. Removing pve from EvE would turn an already niche mmorpg into an overwhelmingly alienating device for the majority of players FIRST entering the game, such a move would be far to dangerous for CCP ever to consider. --------------------------------------------------- Cake Factory: Bulk discounted T2, BS BPC's.
Nye Jaran	Posted - 2007.04.03 19:54:00 - [80] Edited by: Nye Jaran on 03/04/2007 19:51:44 That's a great idea, but it needs to be expanded on Remove all roid belts from high-sec, and change the distribution so that only the high-sec ores are available in low-sec, everything else is in 0.0. Remove all agents completely, which removes the need for standings with NPC Corps so we can ditch all that too. That would remove a majority of the carebears, and force all of the miners and mission runners out into (at least) lowsec, giving all you pirates a plethora of juicy targets. Since you've stated that your goal is to eliminate lag, we also need to look at hard caps. I'd propose no more than 100 person in a system. Only allow 1 fleet per alliance in the system with the fleet size limited to 50 people max. Sure, that will get rid of the epic battles, but given some of the recent events, it'll remove a lot of controversy too. Of course, you could just go back to running BGs in WoW, twink!

DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:13:00 - [81] Originally by: Nye Jaran Edited by: Nye Jaran on 03/04/2007 19:51:44 That's a great idea, but it needs to be expanded on Remove all roid belts from high-sec, and change the distribution so that only the high-sec ores are available in low-sec, everything else is in 0.0. Remove all agents completely, which removes the need for standings with NPC Corps so we can ditch all that too. That would remove a majority of the carebears, and force all of the miners and mission runners out into (at least) lowsec, giving all you pirates a plethora of juicy targets. Since you've stated that your goal is to eliminate lag, we also need to look at hard caps. I'd propose no more than 100 person in a system. Only allow 1 fleet per alliance in the system with the fleet size limited to 50 people max. Sure, that will get rid of the epic battles, but given some of the recent events, it'll remove a lot of controversy too. Of course, you could just go back to running BGs in WoW, twink! I like this idea. Many more miners for me to kill and grief, those stupid miners ! How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
Lemen Meringue Cult of Lemen	Posted - 2007.04.03 21:20:00 - [82] Looking forward to the hot pod-on-pod action in the pve-less game!
Falarica	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:19:00 - [83] The first thing I thought of when I saw the topic of this was that it was some intellectual discussion about how this would affect the game, long and short term. Immediately I felt that the game would be pretty much screwed, I read the posts and found flame and troll bait. However I was thinking of a possibility that could be interesting. What if in a a world event, or in events relating to the news NPC agents or corp went on strike? This, depending on how it was handled could be interesting if, say, a part of Creodrone went on strike? Depending on who, what, and how a strike occurred, the game could take an interesting change of direction for a month or so. It might be too difficult to put into practice, while still making a noticable change within the game, and have little long term impacts on the game. It could be interesting.
Fader Bane Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:25:00 - [84] OP sounds like the WoW players he hates so much.
Sir Bart Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.03 22:37:00 - [85] Not really worth discussing. CCP is in the software bussiness to make money, that means appealling to as broad an audience as possible. Beleive it or not, some players like grinding away at those missions. I will say that you've got it backwards though. What needs to be taken out if mining, not pve. Both are a means to make isk and even miners admit they are bored as all hell when their in an op. -Bart
Onchas Erivvia The Andromeda Directorate SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:12:00 - [86] Originally by: Death Kill But since EVE is a true PVP game then mission who...ehh runners should be removed. Seriously? How many games have you played? Have you ever tried Warbirds, WWIIOL, and of the Battlefields. Eve is not "true" PvP. It's a skill tree/template game just most other massive multiplayer games. The only thing Eve does different is it makes PvP permissive in more environments. Go play a Massive Multiplayer sim like WWIIOL and come back here and talk to me about "true PvP" -- where your ability to fly, tank, shoot, and move without skill trees or templates determines the outcome of a fight. PvP in Eve is amusing, but it's nothing near "true" PvP. ------------------------------------------ 'Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
FarScape III Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.04.03 23:17:00 - [87] I like the stories but if anything the PvE needs to have even more stories to it but the COSMOS stories are ok. But I like it all myself PvP and PvE even when they mix. The only times I heard of any real lag is when blobbing and when everyone is selling and buy ing in one system, none of witch bother me. A Minmater City... Cool! My Stats :)
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.04.04 00:34:00 - [88] Originally by: Death Kill Originally by: Grey Area I find I must refer to Winston Churchill to express my opinion on Death Kill... "I wish Death Kill no ill, but it would have been much better had he (and this thread) never lived." I will fight you on the biotches I think you're OP is a bit misguided, but that quote was funny. ------------------- Say What?
Petrothian Tong Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.04 01:00:00 - [89] well... if you want to turn Eve into Counterstrike in space... thats what that will accomplish... and yes.. it will be less lag... but it will be a MAJOR nerf to CCP's wallet... (you have no idea how many people play just to collect stuff, or mission or afraid of pvp...... but hey, they do pay a very very signifercant portion of CCP's revenue...) so... yeah... time for op to go back to playing counterstrike... -Siggi- ""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur
Veneth	Posted - 2007.04.04 01:15:00 - [90] Edited by: Veneth on 04/04/2007 01:12:26 I dunno the game would probably die, seeing as how all you pvp only nut jobs can't seem to fathom the fact that gasp. We Mission runners pay to play as well and we also make up a significant portion of the population. with that said, go back to trolling ;)

Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.04.04 02:20:00 - [91] Edited by: Kylar Renpurs on 04/04/2007 02:17:50 I posted a rather long and whiney rant, but i'll summarise it to this. As for this Quote: as mindless carebear drones would quit and go back to WOW Arrogance is the only response i have to that, because running a mission i've done 5 times already in the same way is just a little less mindless than waiting at a gate with a gang of 5 for a cherry to pop for hours on end. What you propose, albiet fun for those who are competent gamers or heavily experienced in eve,,, would turn EVE into Freelancer. What do i mean by that? Simply put, a system where the more experienced, better equipped players can lock out everyone else from the ability to become better equipped, more experienced players simply by virtue of first come, first served. Thats why Freelancer allows you to run your own servers,,, there's no retention value.
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.04 02:46:00 - [92] But how could we gank carebears then? -
Quan Ko	Posted - 2007.04.04 02:57:00 - [93] Originally by: w0rmy Theyre better off banning players with ideas like this LMAO This is the best idea in this deada55 thread. .
Dahak2150 Chaos Monkeys	Posted - 2007.04.04 03:08:00 - [94] This is quite clearly a well thought out, unbiased, and supported post. I want to stab you in the eyeball. ---------------- If you're on IE, pretend this is transparent while you get a browser that supports .png.


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