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Vigirr 97	Posted - 2016.11.26 04:55:11 - [31] - Quote It's difficult to explain to the entitled and special snowflake masses that EVE doesn't come in pumpkin spice flavour, because it's not a game for the masses. Never was, never will or should be. If you don't like it then you're FREE to not play it and stop bothering the ones who ARE playing it with your vitriol and toxicity.
Desari Lysette Lysette Trading Group 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:20:35 - [32] - Quote Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's.
Vigirr 97	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:24:48 - [33] - Quote Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. You mean "for vets to have more useful alts for free".
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8076	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:49:09 - [34] - Quote I have a 2014 alt on this same account with 7.7 mil SP which I've used to kill any number of vets even when that alt had far less. The extra 2.7 mil SP is some cross-training, which alphas can't do. You'll never convince me that 5 mil SP as a limitation for a FREE GAME is in any way overly restrictive, sorry. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sequester Risalo Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd. 233	Posted - 2016.11.26 06:04:53 - [35] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play Sobefire the November expansion youc character had all the same skills and your hangar had the same ships. Could you play the game then? - No Can you play it now? - Yes Dou you have to pay for playing now? - No It is free to play. I completely understand that there are restrictions on Alpha clones as there must be some incentive to changing to Omega. If there wasn't every player would change to alpha after some time.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5538	Posted - 2016.11.26 06:06:20 - [36] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? what's wrong about it being unlimited? I just think that saying the game is now 'Free to Play' is a bit misleading, as you cannot do the free stuff for long as you out-skill the free bits and need to sub, realistically. It is free to play, progress is just restricted. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Mark Marconi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2016.11.26 07:20:59 - [37] - Quote Vigirr wrote: Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. You mean "for vets to have more useful alts for free". That is what a few of these threads have been about now. Nothing more than pushing more for alphas to get free alts for veterans.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1668	Posted - 2016.11.26 07:34:17 - [38] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face.. I've been paying since 09, what a total loser i am. On to the next freebie-blowfly thread informing us that everybody other than them is an idiot. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21112	Posted - 2016.11.26 07:49:20 - [39] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. Cybrupt YouTube when playing games. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18210	Posted - 2016.11.26 09:17:47 - [40] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? All you can do is play the game? Oh no :( "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18210	Posted - 2016.11.26 09:22:01 - [41] - Quote Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. yes EVE would be greatly improved with unlimited cloaky (cyno) alts and entosis alts in every system that is a fine idea "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3203	Posted - 2016.11.26 09:28:58 - [42] - Quote Judging by all the posts of the entitled free loaders it is at leas free2whine, so that's something the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1273	Posted - 2016.11.26 10:46:02 - [43] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. You know what? Playing an mmorpg is not about the game so much, it's about the people you play with. If you have the feeling you're wasting your time playing with a community, then it's time to take your leave. Remove standings and insurance.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1952	Posted - 2016.11.26 11:07:20 - [44] - Quote Kosomot wrote: Alpha clone brought me back, and 5 days in, boom 3 month sub. Why did you wait for Alphas if you haven't used it at all? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
The Lobsters Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 193	Posted - 2016.11.26 11:46:59 - [45] - Quote I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1273	Posted - 2016.11.26 11:54:00 - [46] - Quote The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Yes you can and no, you don't have to. There's just a lot of entitlement going on. Remove standings and insurance.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1336	Posted - 2016.11.26 14:00:43 - [47] - Quote The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Alphas are basically "WAHH GIBSMEDAT" and will continue to do it until there is no difference between an Alpha and Omega clone. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 220	Posted - 2016.11.26 14:13:41 - [48] - Quote Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. The vets will all abuse that with free whatever alphas, while the new players will put a bunch of SP into mining, and then become frustrated that all they can do is mine and their character is practically useless. It won't end well. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 220	Posted - 2016.11.26 14:19:24 - [49] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Well since I came to see the free part of the game I have to admit the first mining ship I looked at to buy required a subscription so I just rolled my eyes and thought about playing Phantasy Star Online for free instead, lol. Pretty sad really, lol. But I have a life these days and don't really play video games. The thing is youre always getting screwed when you play a video game. Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. and these hardcore losers who have several accounts running at the same time etc have serious problems. i dont have a problem with it having free low level stuff. you can get your fix and leave like I always do and know you can use the same account instead of making another trial account. Even when I paid I didn't really wanna play this crappy game. It's a cool game just crappy. I pay to play eve because I like it. If you don't like it, you're free to not play it, but I fail to see how I'm wasting my life doing something I like. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
The Lobsters Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 193	Posted - 2016.11.26 17:34:30 - [50] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Yes you can and no, you don't have to. There's just a lot of entitlement going on. That's a big relief. For a horrible moment there I thought alpha clones couldn't fleet up, use comms and join a RvB slosh op grinder fleet smash. That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
Engage You Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 16	Posted - 2016.11.26 17:48:59 - [51] - Quote I would call it free to play if we could train 5mil sp WITHOUT limitations on the skills to use nor ships up to cruisers of any kind CCP needs to change it to this.
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 789	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:13:36 - [52] - Quote Engage You wrote: I would call it free to play if we could train 5mil sp WITHOUT limitations on the skills to use nor ships up to cruisers of any kind CCP needs to change it to this. Read Malcanis's post, looks like you missed it. Did you think CCP released this expansion without any thought of the consequences? They said they've considered this for years, but now you thought for a minute and decided what's best for the game? Why do you consider only new players are Alphas? Think for more than one minute and the abusement that can come out of it and then write your suggestions.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21150	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:19:49 - [53] - Quote Game must be really good if people come hear demanding limitations to be lifted just few days after it became free. No way. Pay them. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18212	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:53:26 - [54] - Quote u3pog wrote: Engage You wrote: I would call it free to play if we could train 5mil sp WITHOUT limitations on the skills to use nor ships up to cruisers of any kind CCP needs to change it to this. Read Malcanis's post, looks like you missed it. Did you think CCP released this expansion without any thought of the consequences? They said they've considered this for years, but now you thought for a minute and decided what's best for the game? Why do you consider only new players are Alphas? Think for more than one minute and the abusement that can come out of it and then write your suggestions. Indeed. For once, CCP have really put some thought into a major change, and they've been really thorough about protecting the existing game from the very many abuses and imbalances that unrestricted F2P would cause. I will freely admit that I was genuinely surpised and pleased when I actually read the initial announcement. When I saw the title I was all "OMFG WHAT HAVE YOU MANIACS DONE THIS IS IT I QUIT FOR- oh, huh, they really thought this one through: actually this is pretty smart and should be really good for the game" "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Varathius Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 240	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:17:49 - [55] - Quote Cien Banchiere wrote: But, it is free? You can play as an alpha for free. And alphas can be pretty effective, and this isnt the one ajd only iteration. Just like RuneScape let you do things without a sub. If you want to do more things you need a sub. It's literally the point of these types of things to dangle the carrot. Effective at what exactly?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18214	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:56:50 - [56] - Quote Varathius wrote: Cien Banchiere wrote: But, it is free? You can play as an alpha for free. And alphas can be pretty effective, and this isnt the one ajd only iteration. Just like RuneScape let you do things without a sub. If you want to do more things you need a sub. It's literally the point of these types of things to dangle the carrot. Effective at what exactly? What areas of gameplay do you think alphas can't participate in? "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 6020	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:02:07 - [57] - Quote Varathius wrote: Cien Banchiere wrote: But, it is free? You can play as an alpha for free. And alphas can be pretty effective, and this isnt the one ajd only iteration. Just like RuneScape let you do things without a sub. If you want to do more things you need a sub. It's literally the point of these types of things to dangle the carrot. Effective at what exactly? The Lobsters wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Yes you can and no, you don't have to. There's just a lot of entitlement going on. That's a big relief. For a horrible moment there I thought alpha clones couldn't fleet up, use comms and join a RvB slosh op grinder fleet smash. TL;DR: effective at playing the game and participating in the community with all manner of activities. Yes, you have restrictions. You're not paying for the account but you still get access to every single player in the game. I think that's pretty gosh-darned good value. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Iain Cariaba 3299	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:20:42 - [58] - Quote Quote: I'm not getting enough for free. Give me more for free, or I'll be mad and not buy your stuff. Did you stop for half a second, OP, and consider what you're saying? Your entire position in this thread boils down to the quote above. Now that you see how those lacking your overblown sense of entitlement view your position, how do you think CCP sees it? EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Lilith Sukarala State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:53:00 - [59] - Quote If your not happy with what you got then just don't play the game. The trailer explaining what was free is out there..
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 789	Posted - 2016.11.26 22:00:31 - [60] - Quote I am just going to quote the official trailer: "This game...you are not ready for it".

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