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Annette Durado Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.11.25 18:49:48 - [1] - Quote I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two?
Nat Silverguard Aideron Robotics 540	Posted - 2016.11.25 18:51:39 - [2] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? what's wrong about it being unlimited? Just Add Water
Annette Durado Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.11.25 18:57:22 - [3] - Quote Nat Silverguard wrote: Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? what's wrong about it being unlimited? I just think that saying the game is now 'Free to Play' is a bit misleading, as you cannot do the free stuff for long as you out-skill the free bits and need to sub, realistically.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45975	Posted - 2016.11.25 18:57:50 - [4] - Quote Did you pay anything to be able to login and play the game? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 249	Posted - 2016.11.25 18:58:48 - [5] - Quote yo bro.... it's a scam from CCP... it's pretty obvious, isn't it? return to play your other games
Annette Durado Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:05:32 - [6] - Quote Ha, good to see the fanboy toxic community hasn't changed. You really cannot say anything negative about the game without people scrambling out of the woodwork in defence of everything. Was to be expected - it's why people don't stick around.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 13167	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:09:29 - [7] - Quote Well, when you're wrong you're wrong. Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Johan Civire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1112	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:12:00 - [8] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Ha, good to see the fanboy toxic community hasn't changed. You really cannot say anything negative about the game without people scrambling out of the woodwork in defence of everything. Was to be expected - it's why people don't stick around. In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Sounds like your a alt that got brush out. NEXT!
Annette Durado Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:12:00 - [9] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Well, when you're wrong you're wrong. In other people's opinion obviously, but it's how they go about telling you that they think you are wrong. As I said, usually a pretty toxic community and why people come into the game and leave. Numbers dwindling so it would be better to be more adult when responding to people who make a fair observation even if you don't agree with it.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 19249	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:20:11 - [10] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Numbers dwindling. You sure about this? We're Back in Business , have your very own Meeny Faced Bastards on call today =]\|[=
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45977	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:21:10 - [11] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Cybrupt YouTube Republic University Minmatar Republic 5	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:24:34 - [12] - Quote Well since I came to see the free part of the game I have to admit the first mining ship I looked at to buy required a subscription so I just rolled my eyes and thought about playing Phantasy Star Online for free instead, lol. Pretty sad really, lol. But I have a life these days and don't really play video games. The thing is youre always getting screwed when you play a video game. Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. and these hardcore losers who have several accounts running at the same time etc have serious problems. i dont have a problem with it having free low level stuff. you can get your fix and leave like I always do and know you can use the same account instead of making another trial account. Even when I paid I didn't really wanna play this crappy game. It's a cool game just crappy.
Cien Banchiere Extrinsic Arcadia Distribution 130	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:25:03 - [13] - Quote But, it is free? You can play as an alpha for free. And alphas can be pretty effective, and this isnt the one ajd only iteration. Just like RuneScape let you do things without a sub. If you want to do more things you need a sub. It's literally the point of these types of things to dangle the carrot.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 13169	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:30:42 - [14] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Well, when you're wrong you're wrong. In other people's opinion obviously, but it's how they go about telling you that they think you are wrong. As I said, usually a pretty toxic community and why people come into the game and leave. Numbers dwindling so it would be better to be more adult when responding to people who make a fair observation even if you don't agree with it. In that case, may I partake of your possessions and skill points, if the community is too toxic for you to continue here? Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi . Bumble's Space Log
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 6019	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:34:51 - [15] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Take some time to consider what the free content of EVE is: you get access to every player and every place that you get access to with a subscription, and you get access to a limited subset of equipment with which to challenge your fitting and piloting skills. Annette Durado wrote: Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? CCP extended the trial by more than a month or two. There's nothing wrong with a never-ending trial account. Annette Durado wrote: you cannot do the free stuff for long as you out-skill the free bits and need to sub, realistically. There's no "out-skilling" your network of friends. You can keep working on that as long as you are drawing breath. Friends are more powerful than skill points. Remember: Friendship, best ship. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 45978	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:36:31 - [16] - Quote wrong point. My bad. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 249	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:38:35 - [17] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Well since I came to see the free part of the game I have to admit the first mining ship I looked at to buy required a subscription so I just rolled my eyes and thought about playing Phantasy Star Online for free instead, lol. Pretty sad really, lol. But I have a life these days and don't really play video games. The thing is youre always getting screwed when you play a video game. Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. and these hardcore losers who have several accounts running at the same time etc have serious problems. i dont have a problem with it having free low level stuff. you can get your fix and leave like I always do and know you can use the same account instead of making another trial account. Even when I paid I didn't really wanna play this crappy game. It's a cool game just crappy. ayyyyyy "I HAVE A LIFE" ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy glad you have one LUL i have one too, but i'm on the nerdy ones side ughhhhh........... what you see as slaps in the face i see it like a WALL to leave filthy casuals like you out of "my" precious game. Hardcore losers... yea call me that way @OP if you refer to my post as toxic, you may have misread it: i am against alphas clones, just find hilarious that people read about alphas limits and think it's really f2p (it's only an unlimited trial): only fake advertisement by ccp, and i'm more impressed by how many people actually believe that advertisement
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 6019	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:40:45 - [18] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. and these hardcore losers who have several accounts running at the same time etc have serious problems. What about the people who spend most of their play time on the forums? I bet they're some kind of super-lowlife nerd, since they waste their lives not even playing the game! Sheesh, it must suck to be them. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Maekchu Gunpoint Diplomacy 493	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:41:10 - [19] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Just having a different view isn't an attack. Dude... it's 2016. Your different opinion is offensive to me!
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 249	Posted - 2016.11.25 19:42:17 - [20] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Just having a different view isn't an attack. Dude... it's 2016. Your different opinion is offensive to me! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 137	Posted - 2016.11.25 20:00:26 - [21] - Quote Didn't read all posts but yes... Free to try.... correct... Unlimited trial
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21093	Posted - 2016.11.25 20:10:50 - [22] - Quote Extending trial period to infinity is one step ahead of what you proposed, effectively not better than what you are able to complain about. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Mark Marconi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2016.11.25 20:58:34 - [23] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? what's wrong about it being unlimited? I just think that saying the game is now 'Free to Play' is a bit misleading, as you cannot do the free stuff for long as you out-skill the free bits and need to sub, realistically. From the World of Warcraft site, for their free to play "World of Warcraft-« Starter Edition Become a defender of Azeroth and play FREE up to level 20! Experience multiple classes and races and discover the hero thatGÇÖs right for you. Embark on epic quests, delve into perilous dungeons, and begin exploring a vast and ever-changing world." Pretty much the same thing. Free to Play. You are just confusing free to play, pay to win games with actual free to play "Starter editions" as it were.
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 784	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:02:01 - [24] - Quote I hope you never see this game completely free to play, because the support and new content will die with it and then you'll cry. These people (the devs) have to eat too you know...
Astrador Falcon Agency 7	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:17:51 - [25] - Quote As ccp has workers which may have family or kids to feed and dont get food, living, and so on for free i think its pretty fair that they want Money for this game. I am wondering how some guys think they can get everything for free. And I have a live to, and yeah a job where i earn enough money so i dont bugger around with "oh no, its not free stuff". And yes, i dont even pay real money for the Omega clones, because u can earn this easy in the game without beeing there 24/7. So get your ass up, collect bottles or something if you are not able to earn the subscription fee ingame.
Valkyrie Harkonnen Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 28	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:32:59 - [26] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? Like you said, its free to try. Start your EVE Online experience with 250.000 extra skill points!
Roenok Baalnorn Sadistically Sinister 368	Posted - 2016.11.25 21:56:04 - [27] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Various toxic posts The reason you are getting the reaction you got is because of your title and original post. You instantly opened with hostility and telling us how CCPs version isnt good enough for you. Get off your self entitlement trip, learn some respect, and how to talk to people and you will get much further in life. Your current attitude will get you nothing. Change the attitude or just assume everyone you interact with is "toxic". Now im going to be nice and tell you how to play eve for free, since you were to busy ranting because it wasnt "free enough" to actually do anything outside of ranting. 1) Buy and fit a ship you can fly to do your PVE activity of choice. 2) Do PVE activity. 3) Save isk up. 4) Buy a PLEX off the market. 5) Activate said PLEX. 6) You now have 30 days of Omega clone. 7) Use Omega clone to earn more isk in shorter period of time 8) Repeat steps 4 - 7 on a monthly basis. You have not spent any real money on the game. You now have full access to the game like everyone else. You will not have to spend any money on the game in the future as long as you earn enough for a plex a month. Which a decently skilled omega can do in less than 20 hours a month. You are now, for all intents and purposes, playing for FREE.
Kosomot Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:45:33 - [28] - Quote Maekchu wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Just having a different view isn't an attack. Dude... it's 2016. Your different opinion is offensive to me! Hilary Said so it must be true. I think the best term to describe eve is freemium. the idea is simple here is a free portion of the game play as long as you like. the longer you play the more likely it is you will convert to a subscription based model or use plex. if 5% of new players convert to paying that looks good on CCP's bottom line and thats good growth for them. I'm a HUGE Fan of the new players coming to the game. Alpha clone brought me back, and 5 days in, boom 3 month sub. that's what CCP is looking for. I am a miner, mission runner, and explorer... or as EVE Online would have it... A Carebear!!
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 249	Posted - 2016.11.25 23:51:49 - [29] - Quote Kosomot wrote: Maekchu wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Just having a different view isn't an attack. Dude... it's 2016. Your different opinion is offensive to me! Hilary Said so it must be true. I think the best term to describe eve is freemium. the idea is simple here is a free portion of the game play as long as you like. the longer you play the more likely it is you will convert to a subscription based model or use plex. if 5% of new players convert to paying that looks good on CCP's bottom line and thats good growth for them. I'm a HUGE Fan of the new players coming to the game. Alpha clone brought me back, and 5 days in, boom 3 month sub. that's what CCP is looking for. wasn't difficult to figure it out LOL #MindGames
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8074	Posted - 2016.11.26 04:39:14 - [30] - Quote EVE is free to play, with restrictions on what you can use to play it. You can play the whole game, every aspect of it, you just can't use everything. But far be it for me and my 'toxicity' to remind you that giving you anything for free at all is more than you've paid for. I'd call that pretty generous of CCP, but of course, despite paying nothing, you're gonna feel ripped-off anyway. You won't see it this way, of course, but the only thing you are a victim of is your choice to be a victim here. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Vigirr 97	Posted - 2016.11.26 04:55:11 - [31] - Quote It's difficult to explain to the entitled and special snowflake masses that EVE doesn't come in pumpkin spice flavour, because it's not a game for the masses. Never was, never will or should be. If you don't like it then you're FREE to not play it and stop bothering the ones who ARE playing it with your vitriol and toxicity.
Desari Lysette Lysette Trading Group 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:20:35 - [32] - Quote Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's.
Vigirr 97	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:24:48 - [33] - Quote Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. You mean "for vets to have more useful alts for free".
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8076	Posted - 2016.11.26 05:49:09 - [34] - Quote I have a 2014 alt on this same account with 7.7 mil SP which I've used to kill any number of vets even when that alt had far less. The extra 2.7 mil SP is some cross-training, which alphas can't do. You'll never convince me that 5 mil SP as a limitation for a FREE GAME is in any way overly restrictive, sorry. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sequester Risalo Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd. 233	Posted - 2016.11.26 06:04:53 - [35] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play Sobefire the November expansion youc character had all the same skills and your hangar had the same ships. Could you play the game then? - No Can you play it now? - Yes Dou you have to pay for playing now? - No It is free to play. I completely understand that there are restrictions on Alpha clones as there must be some incentive to changing to Omega. If there wasn't every player would change to alpha after some time.
Teckos Pech The Executives Executive Outcomes 5538	Posted - 2016.11.26 06:06:20 - [36] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Nat Silverguard wrote: Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? what's wrong about it being unlimited? I just think that saying the game is now 'Free to Play' is a bit misleading, as you cannot do the free stuff for long as you out-skill the free bits and need to sub, realistically. It is free to play, progress is just restricted. "The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
Mark Marconi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 122	Posted - 2016.11.26 07:20:59 - [37] - Quote Vigirr wrote: Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. You mean "for vets to have more useful alts for free". That is what a few of these threads have been about now. Nothing more than pushing more for alphas to get free alts for veterans.
Chopper Rollins Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 1668	Posted - 2016.11.26 07:34:17 - [38] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face.. I've been paying since 09, what a total loser i am. On to the next freebie-blowfly thread informing us that everybody other than them is an idiot. Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21112	Posted - 2016.11.26 07:49:20 - [39] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. Cybrupt YouTube when playing games. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18210	Posted - 2016.11.26 09:17:47 - [40] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? All you can do is play the game? Oh no :( "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18210	Posted - 2016.11.26 09:22:01 - [41] - Quote Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. yes EVE would be greatly improved with unlimited cloaky (cyno) alts and entosis alts in every system that is a fine idea "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 3203	Posted - 2016.11.26 09:28:58 - [42] - Quote Judging by all the posts of the entitled free loaders it is at leas free2whine, so that's something the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1273	Posted - 2016.11.26 10:46:02 - [43] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. You know what? Playing an mmorpg is not about the game so much, it's about the people you play with. If you have the feeling you're wasting your time playing with a community, then it's time to take your leave. Remove standings and insurance.
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1952	Posted - 2016.11.26 11:07:20 - [44] - Quote Kosomot wrote: Alpha clone brought me back, and 5 days in, boom 3 month sub. Why did you wait for Alphas if you haven't used it at all? The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
The Lobsters Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 193	Posted - 2016.11.26 11:46:59 - [45] - Quote I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
Mara Pahrdi The Order of Anoyia 1273	Posted - 2016.11.26 11:54:00 - [46] - Quote The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Yes you can and no, you don't have to. There's just a lot of entitlement going on. Remove standings and insurance.
Yang Aurilen The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1336	Posted - 2016.11.26 14:00:43 - [47] - Quote The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Alphas are basically "WAHH GIBSMEDAT" and will continue to do it until there is no difference between an Alpha and Omega clone. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 220	Posted - 2016.11.26 14:13:41 - [48] - Quote Desari Lysette wrote: Personally, i agree with SP capping Alpha's... but i disagree with all the restrictions. i mean 5m sp is a big ass restriction as it is. They should lift all those restrictions and let people put thier 5m wherever they want, so that they can experiance what they need in order to discover if they wish to continue on into being Omega's. The vets will all abuse that with free whatever alphas, while the new players will put a bunch of SP into mining, and then become frustrated that all they can do is mine and their character is practically useless. It won't end well. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 220	Posted - 2016.11.26 14:19:24 - [49] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Well since I came to see the free part of the game I have to admit the first mining ship I looked at to buy required a subscription so I just rolled my eyes and thought about playing Phantasy Star Online for free instead, lol. Pretty sad really, lol. But I have a life these days and don't really play video games. The thing is youre always getting screwed when you play a video game. Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. and these hardcore losers who have several accounts running at the same time etc have serious problems. i dont have a problem with it having free low level stuff. you can get your fix and leave like I always do and know you can use the same account instead of making another trial account. Even when I paid I didn't really wanna play this crappy game. It's a cool game just crappy. I pay to play eve because I like it. If you don't like it, you're free to not play it, but I fail to see how I'm wasting my life doing something I like. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
The Lobsters Stay Frosty. A Band Apart. 193	Posted - 2016.11.26 17:34:30 - [50] - Quote Mara Pahrdi wrote: The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Yes you can and no, you don't have to. There's just a lot of entitlement going on. That's a big relief. For a horrible moment there I thought alpha clones couldn't fleet up, use comms and join a RvB slosh op grinder fleet smash. That man is the noblest creature may be inferred from the fact that no other creature has contested his claim.
Engage You Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 16	Posted - 2016.11.26 17:48:59 - [51] - Quote I would call it free to play if we could train 5mil sp WITHOUT limitations on the skills to use nor ships up to cruisers of any kind CCP needs to change it to this.
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 789	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:13:36 - [52] - Quote Engage You wrote: I would call it free to play if we could train 5mil sp WITHOUT limitations on the skills to use nor ships up to cruisers of any kind CCP needs to change it to this. Read Malcanis's post, looks like you missed it. Did you think CCP released this expansion without any thought of the consequences? They said they've considered this for years, but now you thought for a minute and decided what's best for the game? Why do you consider only new players are Alphas? Think for more than one minute and the abusement that can come out of it and then write your suggestions.
Nana Skalski Taisaanat Kotei 21150	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:19:49 - [53] - Quote Game must be really good if people come hear demanding limitations to be lifted just few days after it became free. No way. Pay them. Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18212	Posted - 2016.11.26 19:53:26 - [54] - Quote u3pog wrote: Engage You wrote: I would call it free to play if we could train 5mil sp WITHOUT limitations on the skills to use nor ships up to cruisers of any kind CCP needs to change it to this. Read Malcanis's post, looks like you missed it. Did you think CCP released this expansion without any thought of the consequences? They said they've considered this for years, but now you thought for a minute and decided what's best for the game? Why do you consider only new players are Alphas? Think for more than one minute and the abusement that can come out of it and then write your suggestions. Indeed. For once, CCP have really put some thought into a major change, and they've been really thorough about protecting the existing game from the very many abuses and imbalances that unrestricted F2P would cause. I will freely admit that I was genuinely surpised and pleased when I actually read the initial announcement. When I saw the title I was all "OMFG WHAT HAVE YOU MANIACS DONE THIS IS IT I QUIT FOR- oh, huh, they really thought this one through: actually this is pretty smart and should be really good for the game" "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Varathius Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 240	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:17:49 - [55] - Quote Cien Banchiere wrote: But, it is free? You can play as an alpha for free. And alphas can be pretty effective, and this isnt the one ajd only iteration. Just like RuneScape let you do things without a sub. If you want to do more things you need a sub. It's literally the point of these types of things to dangle the carrot. Effective at what exactly?
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 18214	Posted - 2016.11.26 20:56:50 - [56] - Quote Varathius wrote: Cien Banchiere wrote: But, it is free? You can play as an alpha for free. And alphas can be pretty effective, and this isnt the one ajd only iteration. Just like RuneScape let you do things without a sub. If you want to do more things you need a sub. It's literally the point of these types of things to dangle the carrot. Effective at what exactly? What areas of gameplay do you think alphas can't participate in? "Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming." Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Mara Rinn Cosmic Goo Convertor 6020	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:02:07 - [57] - Quote Varathius wrote: Cien Banchiere wrote: But, it is free? You can play as an alpha for free. And alphas can be pretty effective, and this isnt the one ajd only iteration. Just like RuneScape let you do things without a sub. If you want to do more things you need a sub. It's literally the point of these types of things to dangle the carrot. Effective at what exactly? The Lobsters wrote: Mara Pahrdi wrote: The Lobsters wrote: I've just relogged after a two year break to see what all this alpha clone business is about. This thread has me confused. Can someone clarify that an alpha clone can jump in a T1 frigate, fleet up with friends, go tackle someone and call in their new fleet friends to finish the poor guy off? Or do I have to still pay for that privilege? Yes you can and no, you don't have to. There's just a lot of entitlement going on. That's a big relief. For a horrible moment there I thought alpha clones couldn't fleet up, use comms and join a RvB slosh op grinder fleet smash. TL;DR: effective at playing the game and participating in the community with all manner of activities. Yes, you have restrictions. You're not paying for the account but you still get access to every single player in the game. I think that's pretty gosh-darned good value. Day 0 Advice for New Players
Iain Cariaba 3299	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:20:42 - [58] - Quote Quote: I'm not getting enough for free. Give me more for free, or I'll be mad and not buy your stuff. Did you stop for half a second, OP, and consider what you're saying? Your entire position in this thread boils down to the quote above. Now that you see how those lacking your overblown sense of entitlement view your position, how do you think CCP sees it? EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid. I couldn't have said it better. Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
Lilith Sukarala State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.11.26 21:53:00 - [59] - Quote If your not happy with what you got then just don't play the game. The trailer explaining what was free is out there..
u3pog Caldari Provisions Caldari State 789	Posted - 2016.11.26 22:00:31 - [60] - Quote I am just going to quote the official trailer: "This game...you are not ready for it".
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14952	Posted - 2016.11.27 02:00:03 - [61] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Ha, good to see the fanboy toxic community hasn't changed. You really cannot say anything negative about the game without people scrambling out of the woodwork in defence of everything. Was to be expected - it's why people don't stick around. In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. That'/s annoying. Greedy entitled moron post something dumb. People respond to the dumbness of it all, and the next thing you know, the people who DIDN'T start a dumb thread are toxic and fanboys. Some people are incredible.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8099	Posted - 2016.11.27 02:16:23 - [62] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Annette Durado wrote: Ha, good to see the fanboy toxic community hasn't changed. You really cannot say anything negative about the game without people scrambling out of the woodwork in defence of everything. Was to be expected - it's why people don't stick around. In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. That'/s annoying. Greedy entitled moron post something dumb. People respond to the dumbness of it all, and the next thing you know, the people who DIDN'T start a dumb thread are toxic and fanboys. Some people are incredible. Yeah, calling people 'fanboy', the easy way to both avoid and dismiss legitimate criticism of your ideas. Too bad it's completely irrelevant and achieves neither. Annette, I have plenty of criticisms of the game, to name just a few, the static universe, the ease with which PVP can be avoided in all space, and last but definitely not least, that fact that people can log in for free at all. But please, tell me how much of a fanboy I am, as if that somehow reduces how much of a spoiled brat you are. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Piugattuk Lima beans Corp 555	Posted - 2016.11.27 03:22:48 - [63] - Quote Never ceases to amaze me, even when free people expect five star treatment, like people going to a food bank and complaining when they don't get Filet mignon.
xxxTRUSTxxx Galactic Rangers EVEolution. 554	Posted - 2016.11.27 04:16:21 - [64] - Quote Troll makes thread, Troll doesn't respond to thread beyond the first page. Trolls job is done. Troll goes back to other games (singloe player) no one likes a Troll after all. Troll is forgotten. We can all move along now, nothing more to see.
Aurelius Oshidashi Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council. 17	Posted - 2016.11.27 13:51:56 - [65] - Quote Cybrupt YouTube wrote: Well since I came to see the free part of the game I have to admit the first mining ship I looked at to buy required a subscription so I just rolled my eyes and thought about playing Phantasy Star Online for free instead, lol. Pretty sad really, lol. But I have a life these days and don't really play video games. The thing is youre always getting screwed when you play a video game. Paying to waste your time and life is a double slap in the face. and these hardcore losers who have several accounts running at the same time etc have serious problems. i dont have a problem with it having free low level stuff. you can get your fix and leave like I always do and know you can use the same account instead of making another trial account. Even when I paid I didn't really wanna play this crappy game. It's a cool game just crappy. So we with multiple accounts are losers? We have serious problems? Hmmm, just checked and I still have a good bank account, job where I travel the world for and a wife who's a model. Oh but we eve players are such losers. You just can't control your own gaming habits, probably one of many things in life you don't have control over... please go back to your little phantasy game, the teenagers there need your foolishness to feel better about themselves.
Belt Scout Thread Lockaholics Anonymous 751	Posted - 2016.11.27 14:30:00 - [66] - Quote I'm back! o/ Hey wait. How come I cant run my 50 man mining blob for free?? This sucks. I'm going back to hello kitty online. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. **This IS my main so STFU.
XxRTEKxX 256th Shadow Wing Phantom-Recon 151	Posted - 2016.11.27 17:34:51 - [67] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? How much did you have to pay to log into EVE and play the game?
Nina Hayes Dark Horse RM 82	Posted - 2016.11.27 18:19:19 - [68] - Quote All those bees buzzing.........
Kosomot Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2016.11.28 01:57:37 - [69] - Quote Vigirr wrote: It's difficult to explain to the entitled and special snowflake masses that EVE doesn't come in pumpkin spice flavour, because it's not a game for the masses. Never was, never will or should be. If you don't like it then you're FREE to not play it and stop bothering the ones who ARE playing it with your vitriol and toxicity. Wait a minute...are you telling me that an alpha CANNOT get a Pumpkin Spice Latte in EvE. what am i supposed to drink while i'm watching my holoreels with my Janitor and Exotic Dancer. I do agree with you thou. I tried to explain EvE to people at work, and they always ask...so what happens when your ship blows up. ...Look at them and say, yes that happens..... yes yes but what happens to the ship...do you have to fix it or .. nope...if you are fast you will get away other wise they are likely to blow you up as well. If you are smart you insured it so you can buy another one...hopefully. them: so wait you lose it, ... forever... well you don't loose the ability to fly that type of ship, and maybe you can get some of your wreck back but don't count on it F#^K that is mostly the response i get. It is too much game for most. I am a miner, mission runner, and explorer... or as EVE Online would have it... A Carebear!!
Keno Skir 1016	Posted - 2016.11.28 11:17:15 - [70] - Quote Aurelius Oshidashi wrote: So we with multiple accounts are losers? We have serious problems? Hmmm, just checked and I still have a good bank account, job where I travel the world for and a wife who's a model. Hahahaha sorry.. carry on everyone. <Gùï> 250,000 Bonus SP when you start an Alpha Clone HERE <Gùï> Including ISK Bonus & In Game Assistance - Piracy / Wormhole Space / Covops PvP
Jenn aSide Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore 14955	Posted - 2016.11.28 13:21:25 - [71] - Quote Piugattuk wrote: Never ceases to amaze me, even when free people expect five star treatment, like people going to a food bank and complaining when they don't get Filet mignon. I keep getting this image in my head of someone getting on their personally owned G5 to fly to Icleand and personally tell CCP their game isn't free enough...
Tristan Valentina Moira. Villore Accords 78	Posted - 2016.11.28 19:25:20 - [72] - Quote Well since you cant really quit anymore, can I have your stuff and biomass? Fly safe!
Mark Marconi Ministry of War Amarr Empire 135	Posted - 2016.11.28 20:00:55 - [73] - Quote Tristan Valentina wrote: Well since you cant really quit anymore, can I have your stuff and biomass? Fly safe! EvE is now just like Hotel California.
Vigirr 109	Posted - 2016.11.28 21:42:59 - [74] - Quote Kosomot wrote: It is too much game for most. People try to pass that as a down side, I see it as a good thing. Mark Marconi wrote: EvE is now just like Hotel California. It always has been like that
KaarBaak Squirrel Team 415	Posted - 2016.11.29 00:14:55 - [75] - Quote Tristan Valentina wrote: Well since you cant really quit anymore, can I have your stuff and biomass? Fly safe! Until I see the OP in Doomheim, I just assume it's another forum attention-seeker. Dum Spiro Spero
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.11.29 15:09:49 - [76] - Quote The OP is right; EVE have a toxic community - thats why there is one of the golden rules which says: "Never trust anyone" - EVE is not free to play - it's even worse than WoW trial account; I advanced to Omega only bcs I had a plex stored in my assets - in other way i would never decide to do such a move; I already found: - some douchbags; - some bulls$it in game mechanis; - hillarious Plex price; - lowered payout as beying a carebear; Tbh i have to spend 10 days to earn enough ISKies for a plex with my Omega account - but then i lost like 200 KK assets during the burners and being 1 shooted by minmatar police in, a ship tinny as $hit; Anyway + for the Thread Owner!
Robert Caldera Caldera Trading and Investment 1217	Posted - 2016.11.29 15:14:03 - [77] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Did you pay anything to be able to login and play the game? except... well you need to sub in order to play normally. The TS is absolutely right, alpha clones dont reflect f2p game scheme but merely unlimited trial. To be fair, CCP never sold their alpha clones as F2P, its mostly players who hyped eve being F2P now.
Voxinian 142	Posted - 2016.11.29 15:19:31 - [78] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. What has CCP said? I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be. Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8137	Posted - 2016.11.29 15:22:40 - [79] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. What has CCP said? I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be. Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining. You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Voxinian 142	Posted - 2016.11.29 15:35:05 - [80] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Voxinian wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. What has CCP said? I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be. Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining. You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free. It's not about if I can afford it or not, it's about if I think it is worth 15Gé¼ a month... or worth the plex grind. EvE is not the only game we can play you know. If you only play EvE every day then sure it is worth it, but I (and no doubt many others) also like to play and buy other games... which makes EVE with 15Gé¼ a month for a few hours of pew pew not worth it to sub... and Alpha clone is useless for old players with a filled hangar of nice ships you can't fly with. So hence a cheapo Beta clone that does not play like a trail account. The question is, does CCP wants to make 7Gé¼ every month from me or do they want to make 15Gé¼ from me 2 months a year?
Havenwar Eden Inc. 0	Posted - 2016.11.29 16:30:19 - [81] - Quote wow a newbie here it is a great game with stupid community reading forum make me want to leave asap hell
Sequester Risalo Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd. 236	Posted - 2016.11.29 16:37:39 - [82] - Quote Havenwar wrote: it is a great game with stupid community reading forum make me want to leave asap hell I don't know whether you are referring to the OP and the other entitled bunch who really aren't on the bright side of humanity or the knowledgeable yet rude bunch explaining why the OPs complaints aren't justified. In any event you may behave like 90% of the polulation and leave the forums alon. It is possible to enjoy the game without ever being here.
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2016.11.29 17:38:48 - [83] - Quote It's not that we're not ready for eve, it's just that eve... isn't eve anymore... Money over players... the worst definition of a "game" Fair well ccp ! growing older hasn't made you smarter... sad!
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.11.30 14:53:38 - [84] - Quote Voxinian wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. What has CCP said? I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be. Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining. + for that!
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.11.30 15:01:19 - [85] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Voxinian wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. What has CCP said? I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be. Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining. You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free. 1st of all - in europe it's 15euro; Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro); 2nd of all - do not take a look into my pocket - i earn and keep what is mine and it's me to decide if I want to pay - for me it's like 3 hours of work to get a gametime - but then. 3rd of all - if ill pay - im forced to play Eve - just not to waste my money which i Paid for it -or grind ISK to buy myself a PLEX - Where is enjoyment? Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months...
Gregorius Goldstein Ze One Man Show 946	Posted - 2016.11.30 15:05:51 - [86] - Quote Of cource the game is "free to try/start" and not "free to play", why would anyone pay a buck anymore when it was? Pretty much the same limitation as most other "FTP" games have. And you don't believe adverts litteraly, do you? But from all FTP games I know EVE is the only one you can grind for a full sub in a moderate amount of time. And once you got your first PLEX ist is quite easy to grind more and stay Omega without paying a dime. Would it be easier to just earn a few bucks and pay the sub? YES! Is there an other FTP game you can stay fully subbed for less than 50 hours grind per month? None I can think of.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 46094	Posted - 2016.11.30 15:09:57 - [87] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - .. How much are you paying to play an alpha? Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Wander Prian Art Of Explosions Hole Control 321	Posted - 2016.11.30 15:12:46 - [88] - Quote Where does it say that you are supposed to get enough ISK for a PLEX in a month? What guarantee is there that you are able to do it with alpha or even omega? Unless you get really damn lucky, you don't. You need to learn the game first before you start thinking about that. The good thing aboug alpha is that there is no time-limit. You can play as much or as little as you want, grind for as long as it takes you to get that PLEX, but remember that it will only last a month and then you got to get the next 1,2-1,3 billion for another one. While you CAN play Eve for free by buying PLEX, it doesn't mean that you are required to do so. Just mindleslly grinding is not what the game is about and will lead you to be burned out of the game. Wormholer for life.
Thursday Park-Laine Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.11.30 15:16:57 - [89] - Quote Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: It's not that we're not ready for eve, it's just that eve... isn't eve anymore... Money over players... the worst definition of a "game" Fair well ccp ! growing older hasn't made you smarter... sad! I am new to EVE and for me it seems quite in line with other game from the "content to price ratio" point of view. But when I read some comments here it seems like EVE was kind of a charity run by nordic hippies a few years ago. Or are the vets like my grandparents that tend to forgett things like the cold war, the acutal war and normal things like dishwashers beeing luxury goods when they tell me about the golden times they grow up in.
Thursday Park-Laine Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 11	Posted - 2016.11.30 15:19:23 - [90] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - .. How much are you paying to play an alpha? Ssshhh, don't ruin the scam :)
March rabbit Mosquito Squadron The-Culture 1956	Posted - 2016.11.30 15:50:09 - [91] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months... Still Alphas play for free. Omega is not. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.11.30 20:28:41 - [92] - Quote Thursday Park-Laine wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: It's not that we're not ready for eve, it's just that eve... isn't eve anymore... Money over players... the worst definition of a "game" Fair well ccp ! growing older hasn't made you smarter... sad! I am new to EVE and for me it seems quite in line with other game from the "content to price ratio" point of view. But when I read some comments here it seems like EVE was kind of a charity run by nordic hippies a few years ago. Or are the vets like my grandparents that tend to forgett things like the cold war, the acutal war and normal things like dishwashers beeing luxury goods when they tell me about the golden times they grow up in. Well, it's the opposite ! Eve is free since november, and i was happy to pay 20dollars a month ... because mechanics were working fine ! I'm not unhappy because eve is free to play now ! I'm disappointed because ccp advertise a f2p game when it's obviously only a free to test game and pvp mechanics (between others) have been ruined ! I repeat : eve was the best pvp game imo, but when you introduce a mechanic with ships able to warp faster than a server's tic, it just disable all the fun you can have from the danger of a 0.0 area... it's like introducing a saving system in dark soul, it deletes the essence of the game ! Eve was fun because it was risky (lot of camps in low sec, bubbles and scan res boost's in 0.0, lot of pirates in every region, ...) Now, i can, with a 1month old char, jump in each new eden system without even caring... Where is the fun of that ? You wanna pilot a ship ? Dl flight simulator and buy a joystick, you'll get much more fun... (and i'm just talking about 1 mechanic, i won't talk about sov's changing and jump's nerf). Eve just lost all the fun that made me pay every month ! Eve is lost, and ccp is the reason why ! Not a drama, it's just a waste of potential... Sad as ****!
Voxinian 143	Posted - 2016.11.30 20:46:29 - [93] - Quote Nevermind - something on my end.
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 317	Posted - 2016.12.01 08:22:34 - [94] - Quote I do not normally judge people by their economic standing IRL, but calling people who can afford multiple accounts 'hardcore losers' while insinuating paying for even a single account is 'too much' made me laugh. I'm surprised this hasn't been said yet, which has been said on forums many times before - if a single account subscription fee for EVE is too much of a financial burden for you IRL, maybe it's good that you don't play video games. I can pay for all my subs with in game earned ISK by buying PLEX easily, but my main Toobo account I always pay with $$$ sub (I do yearly subscription), because it's a bargain when you consider so many other things IRL that can cost you money for fun. I can understand if you are going through hectic RL schedule then yes, subscription fees can feel expensive, because you are paying but can't actually log on to the game or even get a few hours of play for a month. But CCP's Alpha account is actually very nice option. If you are going through busy RL schedule you can unsub for a month and still get to log on to the game as alpha, so I really can't see how this complain can be justified. :p "When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them, and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
Vigirr 123	Posted - 2016.12.01 08:31:28 - [95] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Voxinian wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. What has CCP said? I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be. Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining. You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free. 1st of all - in europe it's 15euro; Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro); 2nd of all - do not take a look into my pocket - i earn and keep what is mine and it's me to decide if I want to pay - for me it's like 3 hours of work to get a gametime - but then. 3rd of all - if ill pay - im forced to play Eve - just not to waste my money which i Paid for it -or grind ISK to buy myself a PLEX - Where is enjoyment? Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months... We nor CCP care about your special snowflake wallet situation, if you don't like something well enough to pay for it then simply don't play it, problem solved. Also if your idea of making money is mining for 4 mil/h then honestly you're playing eve wrong. Sounds like you're lazy and want others to solve your problems for you.
Serafiel Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 14	Posted - 2016.12.01 10:16:46 - [96] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. Since you cant fly them...can I have them? :)
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.01 11:45:41 - [97] - Quote Toobo wrote: I do not normally judge people by their economic standing IRL, but calling people who can afford multiple accounts 'hardcore losers' while insinuating paying for even a single account is 'too much' made me laugh. I'm surprised this hasn't been said yet, which has been said on forums many times before - if a single account subscription fee for EVE is too much of a financial burden for you IRL, maybe it's good that you don't play video games. I can pay for all my subs with in game earned ISK by buying PLEX easily, but my main Toobo account I always pay with $$$ sub (I do yearly subscription), because it's a bargain when you consider so many other things IRL that can cost you money for fun. I can understand if you are going through hectic RL schedule then yes, subscription fees can feel expensive, because you are paying but can't actually log on to the game or even get a few hours of play for a month. But CCP's Alpha account is actually very nice option. If you are going through busy RL schedule you can unsub for a month and still get to log on to the game as alpha, so I really can't see how this complain can be justified. :p I guess the complaining isn't so much about the fact that eve is free or not... it's more about the "free to play" advertising which is a lie... every player can pay a plex with a month old char and a lot of game time (decreasing while skills get learnt) but i guess this "free to play" label isn't justified because... well, this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;)
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8158	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:05:17 - [98] - Quote Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:08:21 - [99] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. the definition of a free to play game means that ALL the content of the quoted game is FREELY available for ALL the players... Is it the case for eve? ... i guess not! simple ^^
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8158	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:12:49 - [100] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Voxinian wrote: Scipio Artelius wrote: Annette Durado wrote: In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Who's attacked you? I think what you are complaining about is a misinterpretation of what CCP have said, but I wouldn't attack you over it and I can't really see any evidence if attacks in anyone else's posts either. Just having a different view isn't an attack. What has CCP said? I hear and read different things all from the same CCP. One moment I read that Alpha is a free trail without a time limit. And then I watch like a CCP live stream where they are calling Alpha's the new free to play format. I don't think they really know yet what alpha is supposed to be. Anywho... I am waiting for the cheapo sub Beta clone that lets me use all my current trained skills, but with added limits like no cyno and no skilltraining. You'll be waiting a while. I have no idea why such a thing would be needed. A full sub is only $15 a month, or 50c a day. There's no price niche to fill. If you can't spare $15 a month for entertainment, you've got bigger problems than what you aren't getting for free. 1st of all - in europe it's 15euro; Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro); 2nd of all - do not take a look into my pocket - i earn and keep what is mine and it's me to decide if I want to pay - for me it's like 3 hours of work to get a gametime - but then. 3rd of all - if ill pay - im forced to play Eve - just not to waste my money which i Paid for it -or grind ISK to buy myself a PLEX - Where is enjoyment? Like I said before - Alphas are not free to play - it's a trial accounts which there is low chance u can get an Omega in one month of playing eve as Alpha... 4 mln isk for 1 hour of mining - maybe in two - three months... Let me reiterate something here, just in case you're ignoring it on purpose. If you are struggling to find 50c a day for your entertainment, then you have bigger problems than how much gaming costs. Again, there won't be a 'beta' clone because there's no price niche to fill. There's free, and you get a whole lot more for free than people seem to think, and then there's $15 a month (including whatever that converts to in whatever currency you use in whatever country you're from - seriously, you make that point as if it matters, but it really doesn't). If you don't like it, don't pay it. You have that option, and a whole lot of game to play with the 'I don't want to pay' option. As for the point made by someone earlier: "they can have $7 a month, or $15 for two months each once a year". Or, they can tell you to grow the **** up and get over yourself. Cuz you know, we all have options. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Lucy Lollipops State War Academy Caldari State 142	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:17:20 - [101] - Quote Because they want to have exactly the same experience and exactly the same ships of paying players. Because they will always complain about it, and they think they deserve to have exactly the same with the only difference of some "cosmetic tools". No, it will not happen. Alphas will not have access to all ships in a dark military color while Omegas yellow with red strips...
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8158	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:21:49 - [102] - Quote Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. the definition of a free to play game means that ALL the content of the quoted game is FREELY available for ALL the players... Is it the case for eve? ... i guess not! simple ^^ That's one model of free to play, yes. It's not the only model. The DEFINITION of free to play means one can play a game for free. There are a variety of models, however, and EVE's is a new one that is unique to EVE due to EVE's unique single-sharded player-driven nature. The devs have been working on this for years (according to their devblog) trying to figure out the best way of implementing it without breaking the game. I think they found a nice balance. SWTOR is another F2P game that doesn't work by the model you suggested. You can't go higher than level 50, you can't do PVP, flashpoints, Ops, or a whole bunch of other stuff, unless you pay. SWTOR's model works for it, EVE's model works for EVE. If you're new to EVE, you won't understand right away why this was probably the best way to do it, but the only reason EVE didn't lose more people that had been here for many many years when it went F2P was because some of use wanted to see for ourselves if CCP could pull it off. I, personally, had a feeling that we'd see our share of entitled brats within the first few weeks. I suspect many others did too. I'm disappointed that I wasn't left disappointed, if you catch my meaning, but nothing that's been posted by said brats on this thread has not already been predicted, including the all-encompassing, "but this isn't really F2P because this other game does it this way". EVE isn't any other game, it is EVE. There is quite literally nothing else like EVE out there. You are experiencing something incredibly unique, for free, and taking it for granted while stomping your feet and demanding more without having to cough up in return. You know the developers have families to feed, right? So go **** yourself. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:26:27 - [103] - Quote Gregorius Goldstein wrote: Is there an other FTP game you can stay fully subbed for less than 50 hours grind per month? None I can think of. WTF - 230kk per hour? good luck have fun
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:31:36 - [104] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. the definition of a free to play game means that ALL the content of the quoted game is FREELY available for ALL the players... Is it the case for eve? ... i guess not! simple ^^ That's one model of free to play, yes. It's not the only model. The DEFINITION of free to play means one can play a game for free. There are a variety of models, however, and EVE's is a new one that is unique to EVE due to EVE's unique single-sharded player-driven nature. The devs have been working on this for years (according to their devblog) trying to figure out the best way of implementing it without breaking the game. I think they found a nice balance. SWTOR is another F2P game that doesn't work by the model you suggested. You can't go higher than level 50, you can't do PVP, flashpoints, Ops, or a whole bunch of other stuff, unless you pay. SWTOR's model works for it, EVE's model works for EVE. If you're new to EVE, you won't understand right away why this was probably the best way to do it, but the only reason EVE didn't lose more people that had been here for many many years when it went F2P was because some of use wanted to see for ourselves if CCP could pull it off. I, personally, had a feeling that we'd see our share of entitled brats within the first few weeks. I suspect many others did too. I'm disappointed that I wasn't left disappointed, if you catch my meaning, but nothing that's been posted by said brats on this thread has not already been predicted, including the all-encompassing, "but this isn't really F2P because this other game does it this way". EVE isn't any other game, it is EVE. There is quite literally nothing else like EVE out there. You are experiencing something incredibly unique, for free, and taking it for granted. So go ** yourself. there is only one definition of a F2P label my friend. A free alpha doesn't mean a free game ! Get along with it ! I'm a new player with a main from 2003 and and alts from 2007 and 2011... If i were new to the game, i wouldn't even care... I don't know why you try to justifie the fact that eve is F2P when it isn't... And as you can see, eve ascencion was announced like a F2P but is no longer called F2P when you check the official website (it's called "play for free", not F2P)... Because the game content access doesn't respect the chart of a F2P label... Now, i'll go f** ... But not myself, i'd like you to bend over ;) Fly safe and smarter !
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8159	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:36:07 - [105] - Quote Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: [quote=Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme]this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. the definition of a free to play game means that ALL the content of the quoted game is FREELY available for ALL the players... Is it the case for eve? ... i guess not! simple ^^ That's one model of free to play, yes. It's not the only model. The DEFINITION of free to play means one can play a game for free. There are a variety of models, however, and EVE's is a new one that is unique to EVE due to EVE's unique single-sharded player-driven nature. The devs have been working on this for years (according to their devblog) trying to figure out the best way of implementing it without breaking the game. I think they found a nice balance. SWTOR is another F2P game that doesn't work by the model you suggested. You can't go higher than level 50, you can't do PVP, flashpoints, Ops, or a whole bunch of other stuff, unless you pay. SWTOR's model works for it, EVE's model works for EVE. If you're new to EVE, you won't understand right away why this was probably the best way to do it, but the only reason EVE didn't lose more people that had been here for many many years when it went F2P was because some of use wanted to see for ourselves if CCP could pull it off. I, personally, had a feeling that we'd see our share of entitled brats within the first few weeks. I suspect many others did too. I'm disappointed that I wasn't left disappointed, if you catch my meaning, but nothing that's been posted by said brats on this thread has not already been predicted, including the all-encompassing, "but this isn't really F2P because this other game does it this way". EVE isn't any other game, it is EVE. There is quite literally nothing else like EVE out there. You are experiencing something incredibly unique, for free, and taking it for granted. So go **** yourself. there is only one definition of a F2P label my friend. /quote] Yes, I know. I gave it to you. It means you can play for free. Free to play has a variety of models, one of which you think is the only model. You are wrong. You are talking about the 'freemium' model. It is not the only one out there. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:50:15 - [106] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. This state is incorrect; As Alphas you cant use "Jump ships"; U can't use even a single PI stuff; So...incorrect
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:53:47 - [107] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: there is only one definition of a F2P label my friend. /quote] Yes, I know. I gave it to you. It means you can play for free. Free to play has a variety of models, one of which you think is the only model. You are wrong. You are talking about the 'freemium' model. It is not the only one out there. EVE is more like a shareware model of free to play, old school but it works, and is still valid, and is still free to play. Again, these devs have families to feed, bills to pay, and you want to sit there and whine that the huge variety of what CCP has given you for free is too expensive for you? I don't think I've ever been more disgusted in my life by another human entity. Well... i think disccusion is about that CCP announce the Eve is going to be "Free to play" - which is wrong state; It is not free; It's unlimited trial - that they should call it; No more - no less
Hrist Harkonnen Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:53:59 - [108] - Quote There is only one F2P model i dont consider bad, its TERA. The problem is that the game sucks so its the same as nothing. Try EVE Online for FREE with 250.000 extra skill points here!
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8159	Posted - 2016.12.01 12:58:04 - [109] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: there is only one definition of a F2P label my friend. /quote] Yes, I know. I gave it to you. It means you can play for free. Free to play has a variety of models, one of which you think is the only model. You are wrong. You are talking about the 'freemium' model. It is not the only one out there. EVE is more like a shareware model of free to play, old school but it works, and is still valid, and is still free to play. Again, these devs have families to feed, bills to pay, and you want to sit there and whine that the huge variety of what CCP has given you for free is too expensive for you? I don't think I've ever been more disgusted in my life by another human entity. Well... i think disccusion is about that CCP announce the Eve is going to be "Free to play" - which is wrong state; It is not free; It's unlimited trial - that they should call it; No more - no less Whether you call it an unlimited trial or free to play, it doesn't matter. Both are correct and neither are mutually exclusive. You're arguing semantics for the sake of "calling out" CCP. It's absolutely ridiculous. If you really feel the need to be outraged about something, go get outraged about something that matters, like weed not being legal in Australia yet. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8159	Posted - 2016.12.01 13:01:45 - [110] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. This state is incorrect; As Alphas you cant use "Jump ships"; U can't use even a single PI stuff; So...incorrect You're problem is so ingrained with what you can't do for free that you've completely blown away what you can do in the game for free, and that blows me away. You're thinking about this all wrong. The fact that CCP have given you ANYTHING for free is not just mindblowingly generous, but also a whole helluva lot more than what you've ******* paid for. So stop being a greedy little schlub, and subscribe. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.01 17:52:05 - [111] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Yes, I know. I gave it to you. It means you can play for free. Free to play has a variety of models, one of which you think is the only model. You are wrong. You are talking about the 'freemium' model. It is not the only one out there. EVE is more like a shareware model of free to play, old school but it works, and is still valid, and is still free to play. Again, these devs have families to feed, bills to pay, and you want to sit there and whine that the huge variety of what CCP has given you for free is too expensive for you? I don't think I've ever been more disgusted in my life by another human entity. When did i complained about the price? i paid eve from my own pocket during all these years, i gave them thousands of dollars, why would i complain about some of the content being free? do you even read my post before answering? I complained about the "false advertising" arround eve, and, if you read my other posts, about the decreasing quality of the gameplay evolution... You should disguss yourself more than i do... I won't even answer to your stupidity anymore !
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.01 17:53:51 - [112] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: there is only one definition of a F2P label my friend. /quote] Yes, I know. I gave it to you. It means you can play for free. Free to play has a variety of models, one of which you think is the only model. You are wrong. You are talking about the 'freemium' model. It is not the only one out there. EVE is more like a shareware model of free to play, old school but it works, and is still valid, and is still free to play. Again, these devs have families to feed, bills to pay, and you want to sit there and whine that the huge variety of what CCP has given you for free is too expensive for you? I don't think I've ever been more disgusted in my life by another human entity. Well... i think disccusion is about that CCP announce the Eve is going to be "Free to play" - which is wrong state; It is not free; It's unlimited trial - that they should call it; No more - no less thank you!!! At least 1 people who understood my point of view (i guess you got a brain ;) ) Fly safe... on flight simulator please !
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.01 17:59:50 - [113] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: You're so concerned with what you can't do for free that you've completely ignored what you can do in the game for free, and that blows me away. You're thinking about this all wrong. The fact that CCP have given you ANYTHING for free is not just mindblowingly generous, but also a whole helluva lot more than what you've ******* paid for. So stop being a greedy little schlub, and subscribe. I won't subscribe, not because i'm unhappy about the free content, but because eve isn't eve anymore... PvP is dead 0.0 is empty (compared to 4/5 years ago) and mechanics don't work anymore... But we're changing the subject of this topic... Just because you can't understand what i'm saying so... HF mate !
Serafiel Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 17	Posted - 2016.12.01 18:05:41 - [114] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: 1st of all - in europe it's 15euro; Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro); (...cut the rant) Ill be very honest. If you are so poor that you cant pay for a computer game access, you REALLY REALLY REALLY should be doing something else with your time, instead of playing computer games and bitching that they are not free. Like, getting RL skills that pay the RL bills. Or something.
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.12.01 22:49:40 - [115] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. This state is incorrect; As Alphas you cant use "Jump ships"; U can't use even a single PI stuff; So...incorrect You're so concerned with what you can't do for free that you've completely ignored what you can do in the game for free, and that blows me away. You're thinking about this all wrong. The fact that CCP have given you ANYTHING for free is not just mindblowingly generous, but also a whole helluva lot more than what you've ******* paid for. So stop being a greedy little schlub, and subscribe. Are u stupid or just trolling?
Naye Nathaniel New.Lab.Era 0	Posted - 2016.12.01 22:51:07 - [116] - Quote Serafiel wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: 1st of all - in europe it's 15euro; Whole europe have to pay in euro even if the currency is 4.2:1 (4.2 of mother currency for 1 euro); (...cut the rant) Ill be very honest. If you are so poor that you cant pay for a computer game access, you REALLY REALLY REALLY should be doing something else with your time, instead of playing computer games and bitching that they are not free. Like, getting RL skills that pay the RL bills. Or something. edit: for clarification, I, myself, am from eastern europe. And not even from Euro zone. And no, 15 euros is not a barrier, far from it. Russians and Fishes dont have a voice about someones wallet and what they do with theirs money.
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 320	Posted - 2016.12.02 01:35:28 - [117] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. This actually true. Sure alpha accounts cannot fly certain things, like T2/T3 fits/ahipa for example, but there are T1 counterparts that function. In terms of 'content' you are not really restricted. You can still be in fleet fights, you are not barred from scanning and entering WH, null gates do not stop you from jumping in, NPC stations let you dock wherever you are, etc. While ships and fit choices may be limited, the space itself is totally unlimited, for free! "When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them, and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 320	Posted - 2016.12.02 01:48:15 - [118] - Quote Zi Dolphne, I think some things you point out can be valid discussion points regarding whether its good game design or not, but I think that is a separate game balance discussion and not tied to Alpha accounts. "When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them, and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue
Zachri The Darwin Foundation 1	Posted - 2016.12.02 03:05:15 - [119] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? It's still a cold and dark place, so desillusion is kinda fitting, no? F2p is marketing. Nobody should ever buy marketing. It's also a matter of perception, and that always guarantees perception problems. CCP made available a quite wide and deep means of discovering the nature and features of EVE, and while that is indeed free to acces and play, we should remember that it remains a subscription game (for a stupid amount of good reasons, not just considering CCP's learning curves, but just because of the foundation principles that make the very thing work in the first place). As a returning player Alpha status is a very reasonable way to get back in with things. There's a bit of a wall though, which you already ran into: as a returning player you arrive with expectations based on experiences. Finding limitations - which to someone already acquintend with the game can come very quickly, and be very harsh - is never fun. There's room for CCP to improve in this regard. Personally I think they might reconsider the old recall program, but with a modified Alpha character / account - soft landings always beat the ones were people go splat. So to speak. Keep in mind, a lot of things have changed. It may very well be an idea to leave the old established character for a bit, and rediscover life as an Alpha. It comes down to finding the fun again. Picture the "free" as something between an open ended trial, an open road of discovery, and an ongoing process of exposure to seduction around every corner. It's the best version of a choice between the lesser of evils. And EVE, did - and does - need new blood. It wasn't just features and mechanisms that got stale, it was a declining population. Sure, an Alpha has limits. But it's got quite surprising capabilities, and sure, I wish they had some half-plex thing to make an account Omega for a week or weekend in tune with real life's routines, but things are as they are. If you expected a full game where nothing costs, it would be an EVE were you'd have to pay to win. I think it's fair to say that would kill things off quite effectively.
Ayx Shewma The Scope Gallente Federation 112	Posted - 2016.12.02 03:39:54 - [120] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Ha, good to see the fanboy toxic community hasn't changed. You really cannot say anything negative about the game without people scrambling out of the woodwork in defence of everything. Was to be expected - it's why people don't stick around. In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. Spotted the Bernie supporter.
Coils Tibus State War Academy Caldari State 0	Posted - 2016.12.02 11:59:14 - [121] - Quote First post, new alpha clone player. Firstly I'm very grateful to be able to try this game out as "f2p" I would like to point out a couple things though. Blizzard at one time, still to a degree, had one of the largest profit margins in the history of American commerce. Based on the subscription model. It was a license to print money. Secondly, there is plenty of true f2p games that has zero problems paying the bills, in fact many games that have gone the f2p route did so because of the desire to make MORE money, not to avoid bankruptcy. This is surely the case here as well. Lastly, there are plenty of people who aren't comfortable paying for a game over and over and over to the tune of hundreds of dollars a year, regardless if they can afford it or not. However, I am also perfectly happy with the model and have no complaints. Have fun out there, I know I am.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8182	Posted - 2016.12.02 12:14:33 - [122] - Quote Coils Tibus wrote: First post, new alpha clone player. Firstly I'm very grateful to be able to try this game out as "f2p" I would like to point out a couple things though. Blizzard at one time, still to a degree, had one of the largest profit margins in the history of American commerce. Based on the subscription model. It was a license to print money. Secondly, there is plenty of true f2p games that has zero problems paying the bills, in fact many games that have gone the f2p route did so because of the desire to make MORE money, not to avoid bankruptcy. This is surely the case here as well. Lastly, there are plenty of people who aren't comfortable paying for a game over and over and over to the tune of hundreds of dollars a year, regardless if they can afford it or not. However, I am also perfectly happy with the model and have no complaints. Have fun out there, I know I am. CCP aren't Blizzard, and have a completely different game on their hands. It's as much about paying the bills as it is about not breaking the game at its very core by implementing a free to play model that doesn't suit it. This is as much a true free to play game as any freemium game out there, it's just a different model than you're used to. There's a good reason for that - it's a different game than you're used to, as well. People who aren't comfortable paying for a game like this with the subscription model available don't have to anymore though. That's the point. They can put their main aside and occasionally sub him up or PLEX him in-game, but even if it's not subbed, they can make a new alpha and still enjoy it on a more casual basis. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8182	Posted - 2016.12.02 12:17:42 - [123] - Quote Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Naye Nathaniel wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: this version of eve is not the definition of a free to play game... as simply as that ;) It's not that simple at all. You actually have access to a full game for free. All the gameplay that is available in EVE is available for free. The fact you can't do things as effectively as people who pay is meaningless. The fact you can do them at all, for free, is what matters. You are getting a whole lot of game for a whole lot of nothing. That is the very definition of free to play. Just because you expect everyone to do it the same way as your favourite free to play game doesn't mean they're not free if they don't do it that way. This state is incorrect; As Alphas you cant use "Jump ships"; U can't use even a single PI stuff; So...incorrect You're so concerned with what you can't do for free that you've completely ignored what you can do in the game for free, and that blows me away. You're thinking about this all wrong. The fact that CCP have given you ANYTHING for free is not just mindblowingly generous, but also a whole helluva lot more than what you've ******* paid for. So stop being a greedy little schlub, and subscribe. Are u stupid or just trolling? Neither. I'm telling it like it is. HTFU. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Prince Kobol 2505	Posted - 2016.12.02 12:22:13 - [124] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: I'm a former player that has come back because the game is 'free'. I didn't really want to pay as Eve is just one of many games I am interested in (others are single player, one off cost and some MMOs that I bought to play). So I log into the 'free' Eve and nothing is free. Any skill I need to develop requires a paid sub as I've got the basic ones already. The ships I already own, I can't fly because I need a sub. So in effect, Eve isn't free to play, it's free to try and when you actually get a few skills, you cannot progress or do anything meaningful until you sub. Why not just extend the trail period for like, a month or two? I guess it all comes down to what your definition of Free 2 play is. Can you log in the game and play without having to spend any money, yes you can. Can you log in and access everything in game without having to spend money, no you cant. Most Free 2 Play games follow this model. That's how they make their money. So technically Eve Free 2 Play, its just some of its content is pay walled, pretty much like most other free 2 play games.
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.02 12:33:55 - [125] - Quote Toobo wrote: This actually true. Sure alpha accounts cannot fly certain things, like T2/T3 fits/ahipa for example, but there are T1 counterparts that function. In terms of 'content' you are not really restricted. You can still be in fleet fights, you are not barred from scanning and entering WH, null gates do not stop you from jumping in, NPC stations let you dock wherever you are, etc. While ships and fit choices may be limited, the space itself is totally unlimited, for free! I don't know if you're new to the game or if you got an old char, but imo, excluding t2/3 ships from the "relevant" content of a pretended F2P eve online is a big mistake... Going into a fleet isn't a content, it's a mechanic ! As much as visiting WH or 0.0 ! And F2P or not, all mechanics being accessible to all the players must be a sure thing ! Especially for a single server game ! Once again, F2P is a label that must make ALL THE CONTENT (and not the mechanics) available for free (except workshop ofc, but that's the way devs can win money in F2P !), alpha or not ! It's not like t2/3 ships ar in an alpha test, these ships exist for a while now ! Making a part of the content free (but the rest like it used to be) is (once and once again) not the definition of an F2P label ! workshop contains some accessories for your char ... etc but certainly not t2/3 ships... those are part of the game as much as the t2 modules you gonna fit ! And once again i'm not criticising this in the way that it's too expensive, but by the fact that F2P anouncement was a false advertising (like the topic tittle suggests) ! end of the story ! HF
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8182	Posted - 2016.12.02 12:49:11 - [126] - Quote Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: Toobo wrote: This actually true. Sure alpha accounts cannot fly certain things, like T2/T3 fits/ahipa for example, but there are T1 counterparts that function. In terms of 'content' you are not really restricted. You can still be in fleet fights, you are not barred from scanning and entering WH, null gates do not stop you from jumping in, NPC stations let you dock wherever you are, etc. While ships and fit choices may be limited, the space itself is totally unlimited, for free! I don't know if you're new to the game or if you got an old char, but imo, excluding t2/3 ships from the "relevant" content of a pretended F2P eve online is a big mistake... Going into a fleet isn't a content, it's a mechanic ! As much as visiting WH or 0.0 ! And F2P or not, all mechanics being accessible to all the players must be a sure thing ! Especially for a single server game ! Once again, F2P is a label that must make ALL THE CONTENT (and not the mechanics) available for free (except workshop ofc, but that's the way devs can win money in F2P !), alpha or not ! It's not like t2/3 ships ar in an alpha test, these ships exist for a while now ! Making a part of the content free (but the rest like it used to be) is (once and once again) not the definition of an F2P label ! workshop contains some accessories for your char ... etc but certainly not t2/3 ships... those are part of the game as much as the t2 modules you gonna fit ! And once again i'm not criticising this in the way that it's too expensive, but by the fact that F2P anouncement was a false advertising (like the topic tittle suggests) ! end of the story ! HF No, there is no rule anywhere that states that free to play means all content has to be available for free. And no, making t2s and t3s available for free? Are you mad? Again, your own ignorance of how much content is available for free is your own problem, your own entitlement at work. This game is available to play for free, that makes it free to play. If you can log in, undock, and shoot rats for free, and make in-game isk for that, you are playing for free. I suggest you finish high-school before engaging inany further arguments, please, and learn some critical thinking skills. And some grammar. I'm not new. Excluding t2/3 from alphas is necessary. You don't have to like it, and you can kick and scream about it all you want, but if you think CCP are going to give everything away just because you stomp your feet and froth at your mouth over semantics, you're mistaken. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Mortlake Devils Rejects 666 2606	Posted - 2016.12.02 13:10:18 - [127] - Quote Annette Durado wrote: Ha, good to see the fanboy toxic community hasn't changed. You really cannot say anything negative about the game without people scrambling out of the woodwork in defence of everything. Was to be expected - it's why people don't stick around. In other walks of life, people can make a comment without being attacked right away, but never in Eve. This is sadly indicative of the prevalent and entitled 'I require something for nothing' attitude that many of our young people have today. Frankly I fear for the future and I'm pleased that you don't intend to continue to be a part of our community. We have enough problems with miners as it is, without 'your sort' adding to it. Go on, sling your hook. I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme Viziam Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2016.12.02 23:00:53 - [128] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: No, there is no rule anywhere that states that free to play means all content has to be available for free. And no, making t2s and t3s available for free? Are you mad? Again, your own ignorance of how much content is available for free is your own problem, your own entitlement at work. This game is available to play for free, that makes it free to play. If you can log in, undock, and shoot rats for free, and make in-game isk for that, you are playing for free. I suggest you finish high-school before engaging inany further arguments, please, and learn some critical thinking skills. And some grammar. I'm not new. Excluding t2/3 from alphas is necessary. You don't have to like it, and you can kick and scream about it all you want, but if you think CCP are going to give everything away just because you stomp your feet and froth at your mouth over semantics, you're mistaken. Did i say i wanted all this for free? Again, read carefully before posting, you guy just make fool of yourself ! Eve advertised F2P in november and every single one of eve player was expecting that... every single one of 'em has been disappointed, even if i'm happy that some of the content is available for free ! Once again, i don't say they were unhappy that some of the content is finally available for free, but that this is not what was expecting when ccp announced F2P ! If you can't get that, you're lost ! And criticising grammar while i'm doing the effort of writing in a language which isn't my maternal language is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo clever ! You're a good kid (/troll) ! I'll try to learn some grammar... try to learn the respect ! Just joking ! .........
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 8198	Posted - 2016.12.02 23:24:22 - [129] - Quote Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: No, there is no rule anywhere that states that free to play means all content has to be available for free. And no, making t2s and t3s available for free? Are you mad? Again, your own ignorance of how much content is available for free is your own problem, your own entitlement at work. This game is available to play for free, that makes it free to play. If you can log in, undock, and shoot rats for free, and make in-game isk for that, you are playing for free. I suggest you finish high-school before engaging inany further arguments, please, and learn some critical thinking skills. And some grammar. I'm not new. Excluding t2/3 from alphas is necessary. You don't have to like it, and you can kick and scream about it all you want, but if you think CCP are going to give everything away just because you stomp your feet and froth at your mouth over semantics, you're mistaken. Did i say i wanted all this for free? Again, read carefully before posting, you guy just make fool of yourself ! Eve advertised F2P in november and every single one of eve player was expecting that... every single one of 'em has been disappointed, even if i'm happy that some of the content is available for free ! Once again, i don't say they were unhappy that some of the content is finally available for free, but that this is not what was expecting when ccp announced F2P ! If you can't get that, you're lost ! And criticising grammar while i'm doing the effort of writing in a language which isn't my maternal language is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo clever ! You're a good kid (/troll) ! I'll try to learn some grammar... try to learn the respect ! Just joking ! ......... or am i ?...! You don't have to say it. Your manufactured outrage over semantics is enough to reveal it. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Princess Adhara University of Caille Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2016.12.03 04:01:57 - [130] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Annette Durado wrote: Bumblefck wrote: Well, when you're wrong you're wrong. In other people's opinion obviously, but it's how they go about telling you that they think you are wrong. As I said, usually a pretty toxic community and why people come into the game and leave. Numbers dwindling so it would be better to be more adult when responding to people who make a fair observation even if you don't agree with it. In that case, may I partake of your possessions and skill points, if the community is too toxic for you to continue here? There's even a pve mission to filter out people who can't handle toxic!
Toobo Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium 324	Posted - 2016.12.03 06:28:22 - [131] - Quote /Zi DoLphE Dutuitisme I'm sorrry but I don't think I understand your point anymore. First you quoted me and talked about T2/T3 not being available as though that was a 'problem' or some kind of a 'proof' that not all content is available for free, but then later you reply to Remiel that you never said T2/T3 should be 'free'? I can vaguely understand you (even if I may not agree) if you say 'everything should be free or it's not F2P as advertised', but at the same time you are saying T2/T3 should not be 'free'? Who decides what needs to be 'free' to qualify a game to be F2P? And no access to T2/T3 does not restrict 'content' for you as much as you seem to think. I'm not a new player, can fly all T2/T3 in game, etc, etc. But you can make perfectly valid contribution to a fleet PVP in T1 ships fit with meta modules. Heck, you can have a whole fleet of destroyers fit with meta modules and they will not be a negligible force in ANY space. You can, on your free account, use T1/meta modules, group up with other people playing for free, and annihilate an Omega subscriber's multi billion ISK ship for which he skilled up & have the right to fly/use modules for by virtue of having a paid sub. You can play and fly for free, with limits, but you are also free to interact with other players and group up and fight players who are paying for subs, and the win or loss will not be determined by whether someone is Alpha or Omega, but the outcome will depend on who set up a better op? Isn't that great? I have many paid accounts (some RL money paid subs and some paid with PLEX), but if I mess up I can easily be killed by group of alpha toons - isn't that great? :P "When faced with my demons, I clothe them and feed them, and I smile, yes I smile as they are taking me over" - Strange Glue

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