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Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it flame else where troll stop whining look what BOB had did with ascn.. it was a only big metagaming partie.. at they did it not only with ascn.. so.. now bobiefanboys like you who cry BOB IS SO GREAT !! THEY ARE THE BEST (metagaming)PLAYER get the same medic.. and hell you realy need it
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:03:00 - [32] Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:59:59 Quote: there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check Oh, the spindoctors are here allready! Run to the hills! get a clue mate. you draw shame to the name of the corporation your in even suggesting it's legitimate. And as an ex-member i can hope to say that there is ZERO justification for that kind of thing. thats not spin -
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:05:00 - [34] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 06/04/2007 00:02:43 Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:59:59 Quote: there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check I have NEVER suggested its legimate, so dont spin my words, ok? Oh, the spindoctors are here allready! Run to the hills! get a clue mate. you draw shame to the name of the corporation your in even suggesting it's legitimate. And as an ex-member i can hope to say that there is ZERO justification for that kind of thing. thats not spin I have NEVER said its in any way shape or form legitimate, so dont spin my words, ok!!
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:06:00 - [35] I don't frankly know if there is any security issue with ts (who knows ?). But well here is the checklist : Check your antivirus (but if the isk is in your account and the pos still online your relatively safe.... better change the eve password if I were you). I don't know if there is a ts log, but if there is attempt to bruteforce your password should be obvious. Check with each of the other SA. Change their password as well as yours to something that is difficult to hack (I used long time ago Azincourt@1987 as a password, with that you are safe for a long time). Best personal method to create password (as I do now) take a song a text, random word even work (but more difficult to memorize), take the first letter of each word, here you got a bullet proof password (to be safer add some number or special char, and then even the nsa won't be able to break it). Start a new fresh ts server. And last hypothesis (but something you can't really forget). If you are not the only sa, their "may" be a traitor as a sa who gave his password to your enmy. But with the scenario you gave, an intel agent just burned the opportunity to collect free intel and could annoy you in more critical situation like in a middle of a fleet fight, so that scenario is for me unlikely, but is still possible. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:02:38 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. a lie like "BOB NEVER GET A T2 BPO FROM GM'S !!" ?
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Esurnir on 06/04/2007 00:09:32 Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:02:38 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. a lie like "BOB NEVER GET A T2 BPO FROM GM'S !!" ? It's far more easy to corrupt a single member in a X thousand player alliance than to hack a ts or vent. And you can imagine that if someone publish a log like just after a major engagement, where you can see that someone bruteforced their ts server password. The fallout from that crisis would compete with the t20 gate more likely, and those who still got honnor will perhaps turn away from the "Band of Hackers". I often joked with my alliance mate that I should perhaps put the vent info in my bio when a war breakout (the result would be the same). ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:11:00 - [38] Sorry to hear it, Mitch. TeamSpeak hacking/spying happens to us quite a bit, too. It's definitely a part of the "game" that I don't find very amusing.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:14:00 - [39] Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:12:56 Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:11:16 Originally by: Esurnir Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:02:38 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. a lie like "BOB NEVER GET A T2 BPO FROM GM'S !!" ? It's far more easy to corrupt a single member in a X thousand player alliance than to hack a ts or vent. I often joked with my alliance mate that I should perhaps put the vent info in my bio when a war breakout (the result would be the same). a single member? you make joke.s. or you dont know the truth BOB fanboys must now pay for this friendship and thats damn good :) i think the most exASCN love it too
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Orree Sorry to hear it, Mitch. TeamSpeak hacking/spying happens to us quite a bit, too. It's definitely a part of the "game" that I don't find very amusing. My god... could we have some info on how you think they hacked ts ? Perhaps you should move to ventrilo, if there is a security flaw in ts, you can't stay on it ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51

AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:18:00 - [41] To be fair....Half of eve did have access to the ASCN TS server. The other half had access to the ASCN forums.
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 06/04/2007 00:15:45 the last months EVE has gone down the drain regarding such things. its sad to see and i understand ur anger, Mitch. --------------------------------
Chrisb6122 Gallente Old Time Researcher Ltd	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Ty'derian **e What the are you doing. Take a step back. this a game Now you say it, this is a game I really do wish all the people which keep acussing certain allainces or cheating would quit already. You think the games not fair, fine ** off somewhere else. This is a game and only a game, TS hacks shoudln't be part of it in any way shape or form, - Inactive, Now stop starting convo's with me when I'm only online to change skills!
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:21:00 - [44] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan To be fair....Half of eve did have access to the ASCN TS server. The other half had access to the ASCN forums. That will make my night ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:23:00 - [45] lesson learned: dont pull logon traps to goons :P ______________________________________
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Orree It's definitely a part of the "game" that I don't find very amusing. Im sorry, but if this is really to be supposed to be a part of this game then what sense does that make at all in the end? Dont we have to deal with sh1t like this in RL enough? I dont get it, why ppl are so desperate to get access to a kind of private comms platform. Join the Inet-Stasi - thats plain sick and i dont differentiate there. --------------------------------
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:24:00 - [47] Edited by: Shardrael on 06/04/2007 00:21:48 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. sorry you have no credibility left, the fact is there is no way you know everything that happens in your alliance and with all the BS that has come from your alliances direction in the past, there is no way to believe what you speak. on a side note there was TS infiltration of ASCN on numerous occasions during our war with you, and a few of your renters. During this time there was atleast one instance I was present for in which a TS infiltrator did come on and verbally disrupt operations and be an asshat. I have no way of proving or even knowing if this was one of your members(although there were multiple instances I was present for involving realtime information being spread through TS and acted upon by the bob fleet in system), for all I know it was random person with a grudge or maybe it was one of your alliance, either way the point remains unless you can account for every member of your alliance and there activities at all times then all you can honestly state is that no order from a higher power in bob to hack TS was ever passed by you.... To Dark Rising, although there is a part of me that is mildly ammused as I remember a few posts from members of your alliance bashing us for complaining about TS infiltration, on the whole I am saddened that this kind of crap has been sent your way, I hope you can sort this stuff out, but never single out a character already in your own alliance especially one high enough up to accomplish this without hacking. you need not look for a complex conspiracy when there is not neccesarily one, no matter who is doing this, it is B.S. and seriously poor form Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:27:00 - [48] Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone.
Rastaban Rastabob	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:28:00 - [49] There is an organization named goon or goons that regularly hacks all kinds of gaming sites and Teamspeak servers. I don't know if they have any relation to eve goons. Several Battlefield related TS servers I use have been hacked in the manner you describe.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:29:00 - [50] Untill you can figure out how to make your TS secure, Try using Ventrilo. Also, try only making ONE character as Server Admin. Also, maybe if any trusted member can run Ventrilo on their own computer. Hope you guys can work it out.

Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Shardrael Edited by: Shardrael on 06/04/2007 00:21:48 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. ... He just said that they didn't hacked the server to do what they did, they came and grief you, but the ts info came from spy alt or corrupted member, not from hacking. Reading comprehension for the win. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. --------------------------------
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. Just for clarification: "Not once" meaning "never", or "not once" meaning "more than once"?
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. It's not a Lie. When my old corp was in ASCN, we had people log into our TS all the time. With almost every member of our corp, even my name. I couldn't log in once cause my rgistration had been deleted because of spys logged in as me. This all started when BoB invaded and only during Fleet battles. Not saying bob did it, but stating facts. It sucks and I hope Fallen Souls can figure out how to keep their TS secure and actually running.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. No, I said inflitrating so people can spy as I don't condon spying, ******* up a TS server before they engage you or while you are having a meeting is lameess at its best.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Xeliya Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. No, I said inflitrating so people can spy as I don't condon spying, ******* up a TS server before they engage you or while you are having a meeting is lameess at its best. dont argue with woody! /slaps xeliya about Dark-Rising
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Xeliya Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. No, I said inflitrating so people can spy as I don't condon spying, ******* up a TS server before they engage you or while you are having a meeting is lameess at its best. dont argue with woody! /slaps xeliya about Hey mitchy why not? My point is absolutely valid. At least in my lonely emo eyes --------------------------------
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. QFT. Its amuzing to see the same ppl blabbering about verbal abuse when its dont through supposed hacking, but sure, if u can do it using ingame means, its perfectly fine..
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. The intel you can get from a ts is simply priceless for a fc. If you got a spy there you get the fleet composition, their position, their safe spot, their backup plan if the fleet commander speak them out loud. I admit it's something that shade a dark light on this game, where you can't thrust your own corpmate. But since the day bob started spying on ascn, and discovering how easy it could be to infiltrate a corp member in any corp at war. I decided sadly to accept those treatrous method as a fact of life in eve. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:40:00 - [60] I HATE EVERYTHING THAT MAKES PEOPLE METAGAME FOR SPYING!!!!! Some people really need to get a life and relize eve isent everything. btw mitch I can swear it isent me who is hackin, cuz if it was me, I would name the TS server, nudeclub.nu or something mitch I hope you find out who it is and please post his name aswell. I need to pee on someone after all this beeeeeeer. Vacation with skiing and beer, not good for your "peebag" Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes



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