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Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:23:00 - [1] Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 05/04/2007 23:21:57 I would like to inform the eve community of the following issues dark have been experiencing recently. We have provided a teamspeak server for our members to use since we have been formed. This service is to provide the members that choose to play in this corp a way of playing above which is offered by the ingame chat channels. In more than a year of providing this service, we have never had any 'issues' with our teamspeak. Recently we have been openly engaged in hostilities with several major corps/alliances. Last month we were on a pvp operation in the esoteria region and our teamspeak was visited by a guest. This guest knew details of our corp and was aware of the game eve. He spoke only to insult and bad mouth our corp and our allies. When we defended ourselves the 50 or so members on the server at that time began to be ip banned by this individual. It would appear our ts had been hacked. I contacted my ts provider and explained the situation, we were issued new details etc and we returned to our ts just a few days ago having been on a corp mates private server. Today at approx 0:04 i disconnected unexpectedly from the server. When I attempted to log back in ts stated I was already logged in. I tried for several minutes thinking it could be ts lag, but sadly no avail. I logged in with my admin account and there in the lobby was a unknown member. 'google' I banned his ip and went to explain to the members that we had been hacked, again! As I was explaining to them, I had my (sa) removed by an invisible member and we began to be kicked/moved/etc around ts. Same as before. This time they unknowns decided to insult the guys on ts with taunts of 'butt sex' sorry to be explicit, but it is needed at this time. Finally they changed our ts server name from dark. to the following. goon.net Please be aware that I do not point the finger at any idividuals with this post, I simply state the facts. I am aware that any hacker could have done this. What concerns me is this, our recent hostilities with certain corporations. The hackers apparent knowledge of the game our corporation and others we are at war with. And to put it simply the filthy language we had to endure. One female member was in a private channel and was called a ***** repeatedly. I am sickened by this turn of events, i sincerely hope this is not happening to anyone else and that this is not the way this game/war will be played from now on. We are just playing a game. These actions sicken me, whoever is responsible. Mitch For Dark The names used on ts by the visitors we could see were as follows. vispa, fish, google. Dark-Rising
Kyguard Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:26:00 - [2] Edited by: Kyguard on 05/04/2007 23:23:49 Now thats metagaming :/ - WeComeInPeace Video
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:27:00 - [3] Sickening, though one has to remember that the hacking isn't necessarily condoned by the whole alliance, though honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was. If you can get his IP, report him to CCP and they can hopefully ban him. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Heilongjiang YASA.	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:28:00 - [4] Sad turn of events
Jebidus Skari Amarr S.Y.N.D.R.O.M.E.	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:31:00 - [5] Some people just truely suck at life
Fraps Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:31:00 - [6] I think Eve voice solves these kind of problems. sad none the less some people are just natural ass hats Originally by: Rohann /emote pokes woody and moons him I R NEKID SEE!?!?!?!?!
Andargor theWise Collateral Damage Unlimited Insomnia.	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:32:00 - [7] Hacking OOG to compensate for the lack of ability IG is a refuge for the weak minded. - Got grief? Revelations MySQL Database
EvilPhog Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:33:00 - [8] It's a sad turn of events, but I don't think they particularly liked my fake orgasms so I was banned. :( I was only just getting started!
Montaire Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:35:00 - [9] Sadly thats meta-gaming for you. Unless you have some sort of Terms of Service for you TS, what was done isnt illegal.
Cassius Hawkeye Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:35:00 - [10] Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 05/04/2007 23:32:02 Sorry to hear this news. Truely pathetic individuals - whoever they are. Hopefully you can prevent this kind of attack in the future somehow

Prophet Malcalypse3 Amarr Her Golden Apple Corps	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:37:00 - [11] very sad
niroshido Caldari Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:38:00 - [12] this concerns me, and i find it odd the name they change it to im not pointing a finger completely, but its not beyond some of the members of the said alliance to hack etc. we saw this before with ppl playing with there char pictures etc. but then again i could be wrong, get the IP and give it to CCP so they can nail them, hacking is a crime, and could see whoever is messing around is put into jail for violating several laws, and thats a fact
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:40:00 - [13] As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of **** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people.
Maraude Fury Minmatar Shadow Of The Light R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:41:00 - [14] I know of at least 2 other alliance's and 1 corp that had this happen to them. They experienced similar name calling and such. The thing I found odd was the changeing of the TS server name to goon.net. I know that in the 2 alliance's one of them is friendly to goons One is hostile, and the corp is a neutral to goons, so I assume it's someone trying to drum up hatred of Goons. In all cases, it was Teamspeak that was hacked. Maybe it's a backdoor/bug in TS. Maraude Fury Shadow Of The Light .SOL.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how **ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Dark-Rising
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:45:00 - [16] Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how **ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) We are all playing a game after all, just a game. Theres never any need to take it out of game, let alone begin hacking TS/websites etc! I hope your teamspeak is restored to normal soon Mitch, and I look forward to engaging you in the future
Krakkan	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:47:00 - [18] Edited by: Krakkan on 05/04/2007 23:47:34 Originally by: Montaire Unless you have some sort of Terms of Service for you TS, what was done isnt illegal. Hacking servers is always illegal, TS servers, game servers/home computers/whatever.. dont say stuff like that.. its a crime sadly its very hard to catch someone, if its even worth it.. but its hardly legal no matter what TOS/agreements you have. a shame you cant turn in the logs to CCP and have them investigate the IP etc to find the kid and ban him.. edit: my spelling completely sucks lol.. Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:48:00 - [19] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how **ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how **ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree

Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:53:00 - [21] Just a question, was your password "easy" to hack ? I mean, number special char and stuff or your password was the name of your favorite dog ? ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Gralg Merglen Minmatar Fusion Enterprises Ltd DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:53:00 - [22] This kind of thing is pretty sad and completely uncalled for, its only a game ffs Mods nerfed my monkey :( evil point
Chief Craven CCCP INC	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:54:00 - [23] The exact same thing happened to my corporation... It appears goon.net is an actual hackers site. I dont think they are related to the in-game alliance 'Goonswarm'. Its sad people hack teamspeak servers, but it happens... not much that can be done except clear all the teamspeak server data and just start from fresh with new usernames and passwords. Admit nothing, deny everything and make counter-accusations!
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:55:00 - [24] Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY**, you need to get a reality check -
OldPueblo H.Y.D.R.A. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:56:00 - [25] Obviously it can be anyone, declaring who you are isn't exactly an intelligent/regular hacker practice. Or it could be the entire 3000+ alliance. Or it could be a few jackass goons. One of the great things about EVE is all the assumptions and complete generalities we are all free to throw around. This does explain the completely random out of nowhere evemail I received from a Dark-Rising member a short while ago: Quote: 2007.04.05 23:24 You goon *****,hacking peoples ts. very sad Mystery solved.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:58:00 - [26] Originally by: Esurnir Just a question, was your password "easy" to hack ? I mean, number special char and stuff or your password was the name of your favorite dog ? apparently it has nothing to do with passwords, ours was easy first time, then stupidly complicated the second. seems its a server hack not the password that these people employ. Dark-Rising
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check Its not right doing it to either male or female. That guy was either slightly clever or an idiot when he renamed it to goon --------------------------- Originally by:** Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.05 23:59:00 - [28] Originally by: OldPueblo Obviously it can be anyone, declaring who you are isn't exactly an intelligent/regular hacker practice. Or it could be the entire 3000+ alliance. Or it could be a few jackass goons. One of the great things about EVE is all the assumptions and complete generalities we are all free to throw around. This does explain the completely random out of nowhere evemail I received from a Dark-Rising member a short while ago: Quote: 2007.04.05 23:24 You goon *****,hacking peoples ts. very sad Mystery solved. I apologise for that, please forward me the chars name in game. I cant get on ts to sort them right now :P Ill do it later... Dark-Rising
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:00:00 - [29] Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY**, you need to get a reality check Oh, the spindoctors are here allready! Run to the hills!
Torshin TARDZ Gods of Night and Day	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it flame else where troll Offical Tardz Poo-litical Anal-yst Backdoor Bandit - Unofficial leader of the new 'Post with your main or STFU' campaign.

Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:03:00 - [31] Originally by: Torshin Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it flame else where troll stop whining look what BOB had did with ascn.. it was a only big metagaming partie.. at they did it not only with ascn.. so.. now bobiefanboys like you who cry BOB IS SO GREAT !! THEY ARE THE BEST (metagaming)PLAYER get the same medic.. and hell you realy need it
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:03:00 - [32] Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:59:59 Quote: there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check Oh, the spindoctors are here allready! Run to the hills! get a clue mate. you draw shame to the name of the corporation your in even suggesting it's legitimate. And as an ex-member i can hope to say that there is ZERO justification for that kind of thing. thats not spin -
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:05:00 - [34] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 06/04/2007 00:02:43 Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:59:59 Quote: there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check I have NEVER suggested its legimate, so dont spin my words, ok? Oh, the spindoctors are here allready! Run to the hills! get a clue mate. you draw shame to the name of the corporation your in even suggesting it's legitimate. And as an ex-member i can hope to say that there is ZERO justification for that kind of thing. thats not spin I have NEVER said its in any way shape or form legitimate, so dont spin my words, ok!!
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:06:00 - [35] I don't frankly know if there is any security issue with ts (who knows ?). But well here is the checklist : Check your antivirus (but if the isk is in your account and the pos still online your relatively safe.... better change the eve password if I were you). I don't know if there is a ts log, but if there is attempt to bruteforce your password should be obvious. Check with each of the other SA. Change their password as well as yours to something that is difficult to hack (I used long time ago Azincourt@1987 as a password, with that you are safe for a long time). Best personal method to create password (as I do now) take a song a text, random word even work (but more difficult to memorize), take the first letter of each word, here you got a bullet proof password (to be safer add some number or special char, and then even the nsa won't be able to break it). Start a new fresh ts server. And last hypothesis (but something you can't really forget). If you are not the only sa, their "may" be a traitor as a sa who gave his password to your enmy. But with the scenario you gave, an intel agent just burned the opportunity to collect free intel and could annoy you in more critical situation like in a middle of a fleet fight, so that scenario is for me unlikely, but is still possible. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:06:00 - [36] Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:02:38 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. a lie like "BOB NEVER GET A T2 BPO FROM GM'S !!" ?
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:11:00 - [37] Edited by: Esurnir on 06/04/2007 00:09:32 Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:02:38 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. a lie like "BOB NEVER GET A T2 BPO FROM GM'S !!" ? It's far more easy to corrupt a single member in a X thousand player alliance than to hack a ts or vent. And you can imagine that if someone publish a log like just after a major engagement, where you can see that someone bruteforced their ts server password. The fallout from that crisis would compete with the t20 gate more likely, and those who still got honnor will perhaps turn away from the "Band of Hackers". I often joked with my alliance mate that I should perhaps put the vent info in my bio when a war breakout (the result would be the same). ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Orree Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:11:00 - [38] Sorry to hear it, Mitch. TeamSpeak hacking/spying happens to us quite a bit, too. It's definitely a part of the "game" that I don't find very amusing.
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:14:00 - [39] Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:12:56 Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:11:16 Originally by: Esurnir Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:02:38 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. a lie like "BOB NEVER GET A T2 BPO FROM GM'S !!" ? It's far more easy to corrupt a single member in a X thousand player alliance than to hack a ts or vent. I often joked with my alliance mate that I should perhaps put the vent info in my bio when a war breakout (the result would be the same). a single member? you make joke.s. or you dont know the truth BOB fanboys must now pay for this friendship and thats damn good :) i think the most exASCN love it too
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Orree Sorry to hear it, Mitch. TeamSpeak hacking/spying happens to us quite a bit, too. It's definitely a part of the "game" that I don't find very amusing. My god... could we have some info on how you think they hacked ts ? Perhaps you should move to ventrilo, if there is a security flaw in ts, you can't stay on it ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51

AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:18:00 - [41] To be fair....Half of eve did have access to the ASCN TS server. The other half had access to the ASCN forums.
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:19:00 - [42] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 06/04/2007 00:15:45 the last months EVE has gone down the drain regarding such things. its sad to see and i understand ur anger, Mitch. --------------------------------
Chrisb6122 Gallente Old Time Researcher Ltd	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Ty'derian **e What the are you doing. Take a step back. this a game Now you say it, this is a game I really do wish all the people which keep acussing certain allainces or cheating would quit already. You think the games not fair, fine ** off somewhere else. This is a game and only a game, TS hacks shoudln't be part of it in any way shape or form, - Inactive, Now stop starting convo's with me when I'm only online to change skills!
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:21:00 - [44] Originally by: AKULA UrQuan To be fair....Half of eve did have access to the ASCN TS server. The other half had access to the ASCN forums. That will make my night ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
R3dSh1ft Caldari FIRMA Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:23:00 - [45] lesson learned: dont pull logon traps to goons :P ______________________________________
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Orree It's definitely a part of the "game" that I don't find very amusing. Im sorry, but if this is really to be supposed to be a part of this game then what sense does that make at all in the end? Dont we have to deal with sh1t like this in RL enough? I dont get it, why ppl are so desperate to get access to a kind of private comms platform. Join the Inet-Stasi - thats plain sick and i dont differentiate there. --------------------------------
Shardrael Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:24:00 - [47] Edited by: Shardrael on 06/04/2007 00:21:48 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. sorry you have no credibility left, the fact is there is no way you know everything that happens in your alliance and with all the BS that has come from your alliances direction in the past, there is no way to believe what you speak. on a side note there was TS infiltration of ASCN on numerous occasions during our war with you, and a few of your renters. During this time there was atleast one instance I was present for in which a TS infiltrator did come on and verbally disrupt operations and be an asshat. I have no way of proving or even knowing if this was one of your members(although there were multiple instances I was present for involving realtime information being spread through TS and acted upon by the bob fleet in system), for all I know it was random person with a grudge or maybe it was one of your alliance, either way the point remains unless you can account for every member of your alliance and there activities at all times then all you can honestly state is that no order from a higher power in bob to hack TS was ever passed by you.... To Dark Rising, although there is a part of me that is mildly ammused as I remember a few posts from members of your alliance bashing us for complaining about TS infiltration, on the whole I am saddened that this kind of crap has been sent your way, I hope you can sort this stuff out, but never single out a character already in your own alliance especially one high enough up to accomplish this without hacking. you need not look for a complex conspiracy when there is not neccesarily one, no matter who is doing this, it is B.S. and seriously poor form Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:27:00 - [48] Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone.
Rastaban Rastabob	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:28:00 - [49] There is an organization named goon or goons that regularly hacks all kinds of gaming sites and Teamspeak servers. I don't know if they have any relation to eve goons. Several Battlefield related TS servers I use have been hacked in the manner you describe.
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:29:00 - [50] Untill you can figure out how to make your TS secure, Try using Ventrilo. Also, try only making ONE character as Server Admin. Also, maybe if any trusted member can run Ventrilo on their own computer. Hope you guys can work it out.

Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:30:00 - [51] Originally by: Shardrael Edited by: Shardrael on 06/04/2007 00:21:48 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. ... He just said that they didn't hacked the server to do what they did, they came and grief you, but the ts info came from spy alt or corrupted member, not from hacking. Reading comprehension for the win. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:30:00 - [52] Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. --------------------------------
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:31:00 - [53] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. Just for clarification: "Not once" meaning "never", or "not once" meaning "more than once"?
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:32:00 - [54] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. It's not a Lie. When my old corp was in ASCN, we had people log into our TS all the time. With almost every member of our corp, even my name. I couldn't log in once cause my rgistration had been deleted because of spys logged in as me. This all started when BoB invaded and only during Fleet battles. Not saying bob did it, but stating facts. It sucks and I hope Fallen Souls can figure out how to keep their TS secure and actually running.
Xeliya Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. No, I said inflitrating so people can spy as I don't condon spying, ******* up a TS server before they engage you or while you are having a meeting is lameess at its best.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Xeliya Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. No, I said inflitrating so people can spy as I don't condon spying, ******* up a TS server before they engage you or while you are having a meeting is lameess at its best. dont argue with woody! /slaps xeliya about Dark-Rising
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:35:00 - [57] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Xeliya Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. No, I said inflitrating so people can spy as I don't condon spying, ******* up a TS server before they engage you or while you are having a meeting is lameess at its best. dont argue with woody! /slaps xeliya about Hey mitchy why not? My point is absolutely valid. At least in my lonely emo eyes --------------------------------
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:35:00 - [58] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. QFT. Its amuzing to see the same ppl blabbering about verbal abuse when its dont through supposed hacking, but sure, if u can do it using ingame means, its perfectly fine..
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: Xeliya Guys this is not about infiltrating a TS server, its about hacking one. You can spy on us for all I care but when you come in and get SA though known TS hacks yes there are ways to do it and ban everyone is just lame as hell. I don't wish that on anyone. so u agree it would be fine if the guy would have gotten SA rights by infiltrating ur corp, playing a friend and then DO THE SAME? where is the difference? in my eyes it would be even worse. The intel you can get from a ts is simply priceless for a fc. If you got a spy there you get the fleet composition, their position, their safe spot, their backup plan if the fleet commander speak them out loud. I admit it's something that shade a dark light on this game, where you can't thrust your own corpmate. But since the day bob started spying on ascn, and discovering how easy it could be to infiltrate a corp member in any corp at war. I decided sadly to accept those treatrous method as a fact of life in eve. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Ace Frehley Minmatar Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:40:00 - [60] I HATE EVERYTHING THAT MAKES PEOPLE METAGAME FOR SPYING!!!!! Some people really need to get a life and relize eve isent everything. btw mitch I can swear it isent me who is hackin, cuz if it was me, I would name the TS server, nudeclub.nu or something mitch I hope you find out who it is and please post his name aswell. I need to pee on someone after all this beeeeeeer. Vacation with skiing and beer, not good for your "peebag" Girljerms is more lethal then a fleet of 1000 Tempests Yeah I¦m nude, I¦m a swede and I¦m armed with bad jokes

The Anointed Caldari Evolutionary Transhumanist Apperception	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:42:00 - [61] Are you sure it was 'hacked'? Can you be 100% sure that its not someone within the corp/alliance whatever that may not be 100% on your side? Sucks if it has been hacked with methods other than social engineering. If it has been done with in game means, then well, **** happens. As to who might have done it? Well it could have been anyone and to be honest it wouldnt supprise me if you knew them.
Croesus Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:42:00 - [62] Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check I dont think anybody thinks this is legitimate, i just think that most of the people your figthing JUST DONT CARE**
Findail 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:43:00 - [63] This isn't a CCP issue, but in most places it is illegal. Since you already have the offender's IP address, look up who that address is allocated to and contact their service provider. Send them logs with timestamps, and also state what timezone the server logs are e.g. GMT+10. Whether the service provider does anything or not is hard to predict. I've generally had success with most, but I also have the advantage of working for a telco and can make the offender's ISP go away as far as my networks go. That tends to get their attention A polite note, with logs attached, will quite often get results e.g. given sufficient information (logs) we will immediately terminate a user's account, and if the offence is serious enough, contact local authorities to see if they wish to pursue a prosecution. Good luck
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:47:00 - [64] Originally by: Findail This isn't a CCP issue, but in most places it is illegal. Since you already have the offender's IP address, look up who that address is allocated to and contact their service provider. Send them logs with timestamps, and also state what timezone the server logs are e.g. GMT+10. Whether the service provider does anything or not is hard to predict. I've generally had success with most, but I also have the advantage of working for a telco and can make the offender's ISP go away as far as my networks go. That tends to get their attention A polite note, with logs attached, will quite often get results e.g. given sufficient information (logs) we will immediately terminate a user's account, and if the offence is serious enough, contact local authorities to see if they wish to pursue a prosecution. Good luck thanks for the sound advice Dark-Rising
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:50:00 - [65] Sadly legislation depends on the country where the guy live (if he live in Khazakhstan you got litle hope to condemn that guy). But live in france (you never now) I can give you some piece of "how you prosecute it" before you contact an attorney. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Stockarian eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:50:00 - [66] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. I call BS on you sir. bob invented meta gaming in eve, you/they have used any and all means at your/their disposal. To save time, why don't you avoid the facts and get right to the spin.
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:54:00 - [67] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 06/04/2007 00:50:46 Originally by: Stockarian Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. I call BS on you sir. bob invented meta gaming in eve, you/they have used any and all means at your/their disposal. and thats about it. all the war, rapetrain and everything. nothing more nothing less. but i would never applaud an ally that would do the same - me personally that is. good night. --------------------------------
ginlaaan Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:54:00 - [68] Edited by: ginlaaan on 06/04/2007 00:55:13 And this is why you should not use TeamSpeak. All these corps know that TS is unsafe yet they continue to use it. All it takes is a simple google search on getting around TS cruddy security. Hell any 10 year script kiddie can access a TS not properly secured. --Ginlaaan--
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:55:00 - [69] Originally by: ginlaaan And this is why you should not use TeamSpeak. no this is why certain RL losers should not be allowed to play online games. Its not our fault if others fail. --------------------------------
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.06 00:58:00 - [70] Originally by: Findail This isn't a CCP issue, but in most places it is illegal. Since you already have the offender's IP address, look up who that address is allocated to and contact their service provider. Send them logs with timestamps, and also state what timezone the server logs are e.g. GMT+10. Whether the service provider does anything or not is hard to predict. I've generally had success with most, but I also have the advantage of working for a telco and can make the offender's ISP go away as far as my networks go. That tends to get their attention A polite note, with logs attached, will quite often get results e.g. given sufficient information (logs) we will immediately terminate a user's account, and if the offence is serious enough, contact local authorities to see if they wish to pursue a prosecution. Good luck ^^ nice to hold the keys isn't it? metagaming ftl. i've seen and heard of multiple circumstances .... and funny enough they all involved the word GOON. whether it was them or not, who knows? but i dont know of many groups in the game (and they carry over into other games) that relish in the idea of ruining a game over actually playing it... so ya know, you make your bed you lay in it to be fair its this very reasoning that makes them an easy scapegoat. if more ppl took the steps Findail outlined, eventually the abuser will get nailed. ISPs take abuse cases very seriously if you can present them with the information they need. Bottom line is, knowing your members and being incredibly careful with SA rights is your only defense.

ginlaaan Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:02:00 - [71] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ginlaaan And this is why you should not use TeamSpeak. no this is why certain RL losers should not be allowed to play online games. Its not our fault if others fail. Too bad that is not reality. Reality is moving to more secure voice environment, a private server or continue to get hacked. --Ginlaaan--
Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:03:00 - [72] http://forum.goteamspeak.com/showthread.php?t=23726 ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:04:00 - [73] While you're getting all indignant, why not not condemn the BoB members who came on ASCN's TS server and, yes, hurled insults. Oh wait, you're their pet, so you wouldn;t dare to speak up against master.
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:05:00 - [74] Originally by: Trask Kilraen While you're getting all indignant, why not not condemn the BoB members who came on ASCN's TS server and, yes, hurled insults. Oh wait, you're their pet, so you wouldn;t dare to speak up against master. as we mentioned. even though goon's name have been smeared on teh TS servers, we dont assume it was them, you can only speculate. how the hell do you know it was bob? not just someone trying to drum up anti-bob sentiment? (like gasp an ASCN member!?!) closed minded fools ftl
Cmd Woodlouse moon7empler Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:07:00 - [75] Originally by: ginlaaan Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse Originally by: ginlaaan And this is why you should not use TeamSpeak. no this is why certain RL losers should not be allowed to play online games. Its not our fault if others fail. Too bad that is not reality. Reality is moving to more secure voice environment, a private server or continue to get hacked. Reality is also using TS. And reality is not forcing others to use other comm platforms only to avoid idiots. Luckily. Our aim should be the eviction of them from using any internet platforms at all. --------------------------------
dynamic lady	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:08:00 - [76] that is absolutely normal.... TS's always been hacked etc... whats new in this post? meh....
scabbsssjr Gallente M'8'S	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:19:00 - [77] Lets cover a few things: 1. Joining a corp, and being given ts address and rights is not hacking, yes it can be used for spying, but that spy did not hack anything (lets not get into a morale argument about this). 2. Using known TS hacks to get on a server and screw with it is wrong. 3. To the POS guy. Proof or stfu they hacked yours or ASCN's TS server. If they placed an alt in their and was given the access, it was not a hack, it was spying (which ccp incourges mind you (http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g12.asp)). --------------------------- Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
EvilPhog Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:20:00 - [78] Originally by: dynamic lady that is absolutely normal.... TS's always been hacked etc... whats new in this post? meh.... It's quite clear from the title what this thread involves yet you still feel the need to come and post anyway. It's really easy to stop and think "Actually, teamspeak hacking doesn't matter to me and happens all the time. I'll just move on to the next thread."
Lithalnas Amarr Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:21:00 - [79] In fact i am OK with teamspeak spying, however messing with peoples ts just to mess with them is sadistic. ------------- Hadean Drive Yards The EvE inflation, 80 Macro miners, 1.5b isk/day
BobGhengisKhan Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:24:00 - [80] It's funny what people will people will do behind the mask of a computer.

Esurnir Amarr Bears Inc FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:26:00 - [81] A quicksearch on the web showed that the goon are a well known group of script kiddies that simply love to annoy people that way. Read the link I showed to secure your ts better. ---- Quote: Thou shall pew pew. Book of Revelation 12, 51
Trinity Faetal Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:26:00 - [82] was it BoB or T34M LULZ stop saying someone did something because u think they might have done it. -- Enjoy The Silence
Kozak Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:29:00 - [83] Edited by: Kozak on 06/04/2007 01:30:50 ,,,,,,
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:33:00 - [84] Originally by: Trinity Faetal was it BoB or T34M LULZ stop saying someone did something because u think they might have done it. I made a point of stating that i do not point a finger at anyone, just stated the facts. I have also found on the net info about a hacker group called goon.net, so it would appear to match up. I have never heard of this kind of thing and wanted eve community to know about it. If its happened before, it makes me sick wether it be my friends doing it or not. Dark-Rising
Liora Vahan Gallente Axe Gang	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:35:00 - [85] You'll find goons.net are 'professional' hackers. Many gaming and wargaming websites are often hacked (particularly Librarium online). I have an early version of Roger Wilcoe floating around if you want to set up something secure. A legend in my own mind
Aelena Thraant Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:35:00 - [86] Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Trinity Faetal was it BoB or T34M LULZ stop saying someone did something because u think they might have done it. I made a point of stating that i do not point a finger at anyone, just stated the facts. I have also found on the net info about a hacker group called goon.net, so it would appear to match up. I have never heard of this kind of thing and wanted eve community to know about it. If its happened before, it makes me sick wether it be my friends doing it or not. We had this happen to us as well when we were in Insmother. So it's not a new thing though it sucks monkey balls. Hope things settle down for you Mitch... Also make sure you TS provider is using the latest version... Maybe there is a known exploit with a previous version
Kerosene Caldari Fun Inc Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.06 01:54:00 - [87] I saw a post on eve-o from Blacklight that for the life of me I can't find but I had it quoted in my sig a while back if you remember. It said "We are on your forums We are on your teamspeak We are in your corp We don't care." It wasn't phrased exactly such but that's pretty close. So before everyone says 'OMGBOB WOULD NEVER DO THIS!' (tm Rexthor), remember... yes they would, have and do. __ I really don't need BoB propaganda here any more. Let's embrace yiffy.
Mitch Taylor Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:03:00 - [88] Originally by: Kerosene I saw a post on eve-o from Blacklight that for the life of me I can't find but I had it quoted in my sig a while back if you remember. It said "We are on your forums We are on your teamspeak We are in your corp We don't care." It wasn't phrased exactly such but that's pretty close. So before everyone says 'OMGBOB WOULD NEVER DO THIS!' (tm Rexthor), remember... yes they would, have and do. not sure what this has to do with a teamspeak server being HACKED, joining a corp as a spy and gaining access to ts that way is something completely different. Dark-Rising
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:06:00 - [89] This kind of thing is just sickening. Some people just take this game too far. I hope you find these people and comit unspeakable acts to them, in game of course. _____________________________________ Check out my poorly written blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com
Nai Ling Amarr Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:12:00 - [90] That's happened to me on three different occasions, and I can tell you, it definately sucks. 1st time was in Immensea. 2nd + 3rd times were in Fountain. All three times, I was thankful that we had two members that knew how to track them down. (and it also helps that one of them is a raving lunatic that is the devil incarnate. Yes, Aramova, I'm talking about YOU!) GL dealing with those guys, Mitch. _______________________________________________

Crucifier BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:14:00 - [91] Tbh you got what you had coming to you nabs ------ Signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques([email protected])
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:16:00 - [92] Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 06/04/2007 02:13:44 Welcome to the internet space ship soap opera sad to see people will do all this over a game... Please do not edit moderator sig comments. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:20:00 - [93] Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it Well, the ceo of DDC ran the ASCN teamspeak server for the duration of the conflict, and as a member of DDC since before ASCN was formed I can say that not once have I heard about an actual hacking attempt like this. Infiltration? Sure. Even a little bit of taunting? Yes. But never someone taking SA, banning everyone they could, and verbally abusing the members of the corp with rear-end intercourse stories. Would it be different if someone got SA and did this by infiltration means? No, I don't think so. The line lies here in what you do once you've gotten on their server, not how you got there, but the fact that there are things people consider to be "ok" to do on other people's TS doesn't mean they have to consider everything to be ok. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:27:00 - [94] Originally by: Crucifier Tbh you got what you had coming to you nabs Its absolutely astounding to see people supporting such illegal activities that are used to get ahead in a game of internet spaceships. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Admiral Feelgood Aionios Diadochi	Posted - 2007.04.06 02:39:00 - [95] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crucifier Tbh you got what you had coming to you nabs Its absolutely astounding to see people supporting such illegal activities that are used to get ahead in a game of internet spaceships. Sorry to burst your bubble of righteous indignation but there's a group named goon that have been messing with TS servers completely independent of EVE for a couple or three years now. I don't believe this was game related, just TS shenanigans.
Dufas Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 04:48:00 - [96] I think Ty'derian has a few BoB issues ... cheer up m8 christmas is almost here...have a coke and a smile __________ cool sig comming soon
Vuudu Teeth Of The Hydra	Posted - 2007.04.06 05:19:00 - [97] Quote: isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it Hacking/Metagaming stuff is all fine, hell even insulting people's ingame characters alliances is ok - but the line gets crossed when personal insults are directed. Suppose I hacked someone's TS and started calling female players btches, slts, etc - hell even racial slurs or other extreme examples? There's no need for that, let's just keep it ingame, or at the very least EVE related.
Adam Weishaupt Minmatar Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 05:49:00 - [98] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse When u accept something u dont condone, w/o trying to do something against it or atleast raise ur head, then ur lost. I'll no doubt get flamed given my allegiance, but, thread winner right there. Crap like this doesn't add anything to the game experience for either side. Solve it on the battlefield. Sorry you guys got hacked, Mitch. I strongly agree with Kozak - use Vent, don't publicize the server unnecessarily, set a server password, etc...hope you get it sorted.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.04.06 06:04:00 - [99] Originally by: Vily there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. So you say that it is okay for BoB to hack TS servers and spy on them??! That is complete BS!!
Dahin Maza Nostra RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 06:16:00 - [100] Why don't you record his voice and pass on the recording. Someone might recognize the voice. Any kind of meta-gaming, including sneaking/breaking in teamspeak servers is by far the most lame thing one can do. As a general note to some replies of the type "omgwtfbbq he verbally abused a female..."... Come one guys, women are people too. You're not freaked that he flamed everyone in the server, you're ****ed that he called a woman a pro. Gotta love the ladies and all, but this is... going overboard?

Cats Caldari M'8'S	Posted - 2007.04.06 06:59:00 - [101] Hi Mitch Sorry to hear of this.. It is truly sad to hear that some ppl feel the need to carry on this way.. Hope you get it sorted. Cats M8's Corp
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.06 07:09:00 - [102] We've had this happen to our TS once a long time ago. We were just talking and suddenly a bunch of 12 year olds jumped into our channel yelling "OMG you just got OWNED!! hahaha we're so l33t!!" Course most of us were drunk at the time so we got into a big smackfest with them until they banned us all. Was actually fun, except for the hassle of having to set everything up again... I wouldn't want to do it again though.
AccessHollywood Inquiring Minds	Posted - 2007.04.06 07:19:00 - [103] Edited by: AccessHollywood on 06/04/2007 07:22:09 I can help you with your assailants information when next I am ingame. I bet if your memory serves you....they switched the name to g00n.net They are a group of anarchists that make a habit of hitting peoples TS and Websites and they are pretty darn good at it. Just out of curiosity, do you guys also play battlefield games? g00n typically targets those games initially then strike at their targets other games. Here is your first complimentry lead...... g00ns.net owns you! irc.g00ns.net #g00ns teamspeak: 72.21.45.38:8767
Trind2222 Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 07:24:00 - [104] Those who hacked the server was doing in becose they was trying to ruin the fun for us but i see thorough them becose they hinding behind behind the computer and hacking they was not aciving ruin my fun. I got agry yes but who haven been agry at those who hacked. I got my mates in corp is always funn to talk to, so no one is gona stopp my from doing that. So what did the real hacker acive nothing i see true him becose the hacker is hiding behind a computer and is sad guy but i don't feel sorry for him. Eve is a big game whit spy and alts and many players is together and many form a corp Mitch Taylor is one of those who made a a good corp we work team to have fun and is sad that others like this hacker try to ruin the funn but i look a head becose i always have mates in my corp and real life frends.
Gerome Doutrande 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 07:26:00 - [105] In one of my former corps, we also had a teamspeak server that was hacked. At that time we were having some fun with SA, and someone heard one of the hacker (kiddies by their voices) say the word "mass" a lot. Concluding that he had been hacked by mass corp members, the TS owner posted on this board and accused mass of hacking. Later it turned out that those hackers had indeed said "mass" alot, because they spoke of "mass banning", "mass deregistering" and so forth. So this all had nothing to do with mass corp in the end. Why do I write this? Because since at least 2004 there has been a group of TS hackers running around that have been known for hacking random servers as evening entertainment. They call themselves "goons". You'll find some references to them on the teamspeak boards. Maybe you were indeed hacked by goons, just not the ones you've been thinking of.
Zaratuul Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.06 07:29:00 - [106] Originally by: Trask Kilraen While you're getting all indignant, why not not condemn the BoB members who came on ASCN's TS server and, yes, hurled insults. Oh wait, you're their pet, so you wouldn;t dare to speak up against master. Or might it be so that BoB never needed to HACK anything, cos they had bazillion spies in your "oh so tight" excuse for alliance that was ASCN?
Ivo D Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 07:45:00 - [107] Originally by: Dark Shikari Sickening, though one has to remember that the hacking isn't necessarily condoned by the whole alliance, though honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was. If you can get his IP, report him to CCP and they can hopefully ban him. that isnt a solution, not in a million years. imagina i have a grudge against you DS (i dont, just making a point :P) and i get your ip. i send it to CCP and i say - ok this man has been hacking our TS ban him. so they ban you. how is that fair ? :) SUGGESTION change your hosting or TS provider. my advice is not to use the standard TS hosts, since most of them or etieher hacked, or too easy to hack ;) metagaming is bad mmkay! nerf gheyllente.
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 07:46:00 - [108] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY**, you need to get a reality check Oh, the spindoctors are here allready! Run to the hills! so u condole this ?? i dont like you! ccp plz do something to this moron. I will make your wife/mann a widow.
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 08:15:00 - [109] Edited by: DirtyHarry on 06/04/2007 08:11:56 It wasn't Goonswarm FFS, g00ns.net are a well known TS hacking group, nothing to do with the retardswarm of EVE. WHY DONT YOU ALL GET A ******* CLUE BEFORE GETTING THE PITCHFORKS l2p at the internet edit: lock this thread and ban the OP, i dont like goons of eve but the OP is a tard. Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 08:37:00 - [110] Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it ASCN is dead and Pos is pretty much dead right now anyways

Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 08:40:00 - [111] Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 06/04/2007 00:02:38 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. a lie like "BOB NEVER GET A T2 BPO FROM GM'S !!" ? Why dont you go to England and find SirMolle's house and shoot him with a shotgun, cause its obvious you hate BoB probally more than ***** bin laden
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 08:41:00 - [112] Originally by: Securion Wolfheart Originally by: DirtyHarry Edited by: DirtyHarry on 06/04/2007 08:11:56 It wasn't Goonswarm FFS, g00ns.net are a well known TS hacking group, nothing to do with the retardswarm of EVE. WHY DONT YOU ALL GET A ***** CLUE BEFORE GETTING THE PITCHFORKS l2p at the internet edit: lock this thread and ban the OP, i dont like goons of eve but the OP is a tard. You dont know everything I know, so by your logic, you must be a *** idiot? Why dont you *** grow up you little **. And our enemies are attacking females irl now? Im so glad im fighting on this side. what? butthurt much? fact is the OP is a retard, would take all of 2 seconds to type g00ns.net into google and see the hundreds of "OMG TS HAXORZ" results, /wrist kid imo. Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 08:43:00 - [113] Originally by: Shardrael Edited by: Shardrael on 06/04/2007 00:21:48 Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists Originally by: Ty'derian Edited by: Ty''derian on 05/04/2007 23:41:40 isn't it nice that you now get the same medic that your friend BOB is giving ASCN and others? i hope you will enjoy it i feel i need to answer to that post, not once has bob used hacking or methods like that to spy or grief enemies, that is simply a lie. sorry you have no credibility left, the fact is there is no way you know everything that happens in your alliance and with all the BS that has come from your alliances direction in the past, there is no way to believe what you speak. on a side note there was TS infiltration of ASCN on numerous occasions during our war with you, and a few of your renters. During this time there was atleast one instance I was present for in which a TS infiltrator did come on and verbally disrupt operations and be an asshat. I have no way of proving or even knowing if this was one of your members(although there were multiple instances I was present for involving realtime information being spread through TS and acted upon by the bob fleet in system), for all I know it was random person with a grudge or maybe it was one of your alliance, either way the point remains unless you can account for every member of your alliance and there activities at all times then all you can honestly state is that no order from a higher power in bob to hack TS was ever passed by you.... To Dark Rising, although there is a part of me that is mildly ammused as I remember a few posts from members of your alliance bashing us for complaining about TS infiltration, on the whole I am saddened that this kind of crap has been sent your way, I hope you can sort this stuff out, but never single out a character already in your own alliance especially one high enough up to accomplish this without hacking. you need not look for a complex conspiracy when there is not neccesarily one, no matter who is doing this, it is B.S. and seriously poor form If you hate them so much, go and get their ip and flood them, try and cool your anger. I cant believe you guys get riled up over a video game, jesus christ

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Jack Cannon The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL	Posted - 2007.04.06 09:13:00 - [116] Edited by: Jack Cannon on 06/04/2007 09:10:23 Sadly, this happens pretty often. The internet is the wild west and sadly sometimes you have to deal with these attacks in like kind. Most of your enemies will usually just have someone spy on you to get intel off your TS... Hacking the server is them trying to make you nervous and not trust people around you. However this is done it's been proven to be the fastest way to destroy your enemies. Simply undermine their ability to place a minimum amount of trust in their members.
Probus Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 09:15:00 - [117] Edited by: Probus on 06/04/2007 09:13:20 "We are just playing a game. These actions sicken me, whoever is responsible" So you don't like metagaming? Well, neither do I. Did you ever read this forumpost? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425144&page=1 It seems to me that your beloved landlords invented metagaming in EVE...
DirtyHarry Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 09:17:00 - [118] I see they hire any idiot to mod these days Havocide - DirtyHarryF-E Homepage F-E Killboard
maGz Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.04.06 09:18:00 - [119] Originally by: Dark Shikari Sickening, though one has to remember that the hacking isn't necessarily condoned by the whole alliance, though honestly I wouldn't be surprised if it was. If you can get his IP, report him to CCP and they can hopefully ban him. That is exactly what CCP shouldn't do. This is metagaming - yes. This is most likely illegal - yes. But CCP should not, nor ever, start playing police unless the hacking has something directly to do with the game EVE (and from what I can read, this has nothing to do with EVE in terms of the actual hacking). I don't condone hacking nor do I think the hacker(s) should go unpunished, but I honestly think that CCP starting to ban people for actions not related to the game is opening a can of worms. ____________ Coming soon...
Fuglife Huff Technologies Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 09:23:00 - [120] It was me again Mitch... Sorry I know Welsh Wizard! 3rd Best pvper in Eve

Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.06 09:53:00 - [121] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how **ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. I think it would be ironic if it happened to bob and not their allies. Celes/Toxin vs BOB
Dr Slaughter Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:05:00 - [122] Originally by: Montaire Sadly thats meta-gaming for you. Unless you have some sort of Terms of Service for you TS, what was done isnt illegal. Probably breaks the hackers terms of service (AUP) with their ISP though.
Dr Einkeisel Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:05:00 - [123] Urm, Im going to break the forum blackout, but is that there own IRC server ? If so wouldn't it be rather stupid logging onto there as you would give them your IP etc etc.. and if they are known hackers and pretty good wouldn't it be a bad idea giving them your IP ? I dont know much about Internet and hacking, but I surpose you could go through a Proxy to log onto there IRC? Your signature image needs to be related to your ingame persona -Sahwoolo
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DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:11:00 - [125] Disgusting. 1) Have you logged the various IP addresses from the hacker and run any traces? 2) Provide the IP addresses to CCP and the local police. If you are US then I think the Secret Service also. 3) Have you contacted the TS developers? Deck _____________________________________________ Xelas Fleet Admiral
Gutsani Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:11:00 - [126] Edited by: Gutsani on 06/04/2007 10:08:31 Well, whoever is employing and enjoying tactics like this against you guys should be even lower on my "sucks incredibly"-list.. (low = sucks alot, top = sucks less) I'm not sorry for you guys (exception for the female), just sorry for the pafethic individuals that do this kinda stuff and probably think they are cool. Hope you end up in jail rather then in the IT-industry, you would prolly be useless for it anyway. Good luck finding them Mitch, and report em to their ISP and stuff like that plz, they deserve it. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:20:00 - [127] Oke, everybdoy is already worked up and potining the finger to everybody and nobody at the same time. It seems that some outside group has hacked the ts server. But what I don't understand is that people don't get the difference between spying and hacking. If you spy, you use verbale and sociale skills in-game to get a benefit in-game. If you hack you us an out-side game technic to get an out-side game fun/advantage/grief moment/etc. So for me the use of spys isn't a problem, you can do somehting about, get beter recruitement, get beter control of your members, etc. Against hacking the only solution is out side game mechanics and that has nothing to do with the game. So people please stop saying that the friends of BOB are getting what the deserve because as far as we know at this moment, all the ts breaches by BOB and other allainces (it isn't like nondoy has done it before) have been done with in game mechanics and hacking a server is somehting completly new and I find it rather disgusting some people seem to think this is the right way to go. "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:21:00 - [128] Originally by: Robetta Dobbs Edited by: Robetta Dobbs on 06/04/2007 10:01:06 lol :D
Tenaka Kahn Minmatar Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:33:00 - [129] The goons.net guys insofar as i know have no affiliation with Goonswarm and friends. One of their people hacked our TS a while back, luckily he seemed pretty crappy at accomplishing the charter that the goons.net guys seem to follow (i.e. making anyone who uses the internet miserable). I could be wrong about affiliation, but I've seen no ties so far. It is incredibly lame and sad that people can thrive on screwing with other people, good luck on your search and I hope whomever is doing it gets taken down and @#$ !@#$% in a cold prison cell. Ok, thats a tad over the top but sayin it makes me feel better.
Carl Bowmore North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:34:00 - [130] The Doctor has it nailed down as far as I can see. If you gain the trust of your opponent and manage to insert a spy in their organisation to gain intel and spread misinformation and perform acts of ingame sabotage that is all fair to me. Tough but fair. Hack on the other hand is a whole other issue. No ammount of ingame caution can protect you from that. There is a big difference between the two scenarion imo. Whether any alliance has members guilty of the latter I don't know, but I hardly think an alliance as a whole can be blamed, rather its one/a few sad isolated members that bring shame to their aaliance.

Croesus Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:48:00 - [131] Edited by: Croesus on 06/04/2007 10:46:51 What is the moral difference between hacking and using social engineering to get access to a ts server fx?
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 10:57:00 - [132] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 06/04/2007 10:53:54 Originally by: UGWidowmaker Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check Oh, the spindoctors are here allready! Run to the hills! so u condole this ?? i dont like you! ccp plz do something to this moron. ___________________________________________________________ Condole? U mean condone? I was responding to Vily's attempt at making it look like I condoned this kinda behaviour by spinning my words. Which I did not. Reading comprehension 4tw. And yes, ure obviously a moron and I dont like u either
TheHumanity	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:04:00 - [133] g00ns.net is a not uncommon hacking group who **** up online games' websites and teamspeaks. Take a look. They have no association with Goonfleet or SomethingAwful.com. Neither goons.net or g00ns.net are websites made or maintained by Goonfleet.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:07:00 - [134] Originally by: Croesus What is the moral difference between hacking and using social engineering to get access to a ts server fx? Social engineering can be stopped/prevented by almost everyone, hacking can only be stopped by those who are good at it. Social engineering also fits within the game where hacking is taking it out of the game and the obvious step after that would be dropping by someones house with a baseball bat, not quite the direction you want online gaming to go ey? ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainfrane]
Zakalwe Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:13:00 - [135] Edited by: Zakalwe on 06/04/2007 11:10:46 Originally by: Mitch Taylor Edited by: Mitch Taylor on 05/04/2007 23:21:57 What concerns me is this, our recent hostilities with certain corporations. The hackers apparent knowledge of the game our corporation and others we are at war with. And to put it simply the filthy language we had to endure. One female member was in a private channel and was called a * repeatedly. I am sickened by this turn of events, i sincerely hope this is not happening to anyone else and that this is not the way this game/war will be played from now on. We are just playing a game. These actions sicken me, whoever is responsible. Mitch For Dark Sorry for my bad english... I would be CCP, I would start to be anxious... Crowd Control Production slowly but surely start to control nothing of their game. It is clearly known in all psychology book that involving certain people in a certain amount of time and investment in any activity is a risk. And it is logical to see now the result of this equation. -The reaction of certain people about the "dev affair" has clearly showed to CCP how much certain people were addicted to the universe of Eve. -The anti BoB bashing campaign on this forum, and the war campaign in the game to defeat BoB is not really a game anymore : what Mitch just told us is the proof that it exceed largely the "game" itself. It start to enter in the Real Life of people. It's time to Crowd Control Production now to take serious decisions about the way their game works and to understand that they've created something that could escape from them. Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:14:00 - [136] Originally by: Kerosene I saw a post on eve-o from Blacklight that for the life of me I can't find but I had it quoted in my sig a while back if you remember. It said "We are on your forums We are on your teamspeak We are in your corp We don't care." It wasn't phrased exactly such but that's pretty close. So before everyone says 'OMGBOB WOULD NEVER DO THIS!' (tm Rexthor), remember... yes they would, have and do. You people seriously need a bit of reading comprehension and to stop twisting the truth. If you go back in history you will find 1) Infiltration != hacking and 2) Disrupting operations != Calling a member a ***** repeatedly and swearing at others (the worst accusation I recall about BoB is a spy started singing in one fleet battle) You aren't comparing apples with apples and are just letting your side of the conflict get in the way of rational discussion (yet again!)
Ronin Reborn Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:14:00 - [137] Before I got banned from our server I noticed they changed the server name to g00ns.net and the only remaining room name to www.g00ns-forum.net. This confirms, in my mind, that its a random act of e-vandilization. The "hackers" were obviously children, I made a comment about school must've just gotten out...oddly enough it was 4:00 in California at the time
Darknesss D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:18:00 - [138] you are not the only one who has had this. TRI teamspeak was hacked by the same person it sounds, someone came on and started throwing abuse as guest1... it was kind of funny though his accent made him more of a joke than something to be annoyed at. Anyway G00N.net came up as we were all banned. But i am told that they are nothing to do with any one single game and they are a group of common teamspeak griefers. So just change all ts details.
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:20:00 - [139] Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY**, you need to get a reality check I can sign that. <br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
lles Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:25:00 - [140] Originally by: Dr Einkeisel Urm, Im going to break the forum blackout, but is that there own IRC server ? If so wouldn't it be rather stupid logging onto there as you would give them your IP etc etc.. and if they are known hackers and pretty good wouldn't it be a bad idea giving them your IP ? I dont know much about Internet and hacking, but I surpose you could go through a Proxy to log onto there IRC? Well...it looks like you know alot of it. And Im not gonna say that at some times TS get hacked just before or at the time of a battle with BOB. But that "MUST" be coincedence.....

g4mb0l Gallente Ghosts Of Stealth Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:30:00 - [141] Edited by: g4mb0l on 06/04/2007 11:29:25 I run a company that rent out teamspeak etc. Unfortunately teamspeak takeovers happens a lot, this is usually not directly hacking but kiddies that convince someone to do something they should not. Usually someone will jump on and convince some SA to pres keyboard shortcut that will make the intruder SA (i think they removed that shotcut from newest teamspeak not sure though, but probably a lot still use older version). So limit the number of SA's on your server to a minimum, and all SAs should have a hard password, and be very carefull with strangers. And get your TS provider to find the IP of the intruder and make him contact whatever company that it came from.
Zakalwe Delta team Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:31:00 - [142] Originally by: Vily there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. That' why i wrote what i wrote. Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:31:00 - [143] Originally by: Izzy Pol Originally by: Kerosene I saw a post on eve-o from Blacklight that for the life of me I can't find but I had it quoted in my sig a while back if you remember. It said "We are on your forums We are on your teamspeak We are in your corp We don't care." It wasn't phrased exactly such but that's pretty close. So before everyone says 'OMGBOB WOULD NEVER DO THIS!' (tm Rexthor), remember... yes they would, have and do. You people seriously need a bit of reading comprehension and to stop twisting the truth. If you go back in history you will find 1) Infiltration != hacking and 2) Disrupting operations != Calling a member a ***** repeatedly and swearing at others (the worst accusation I recall about BoB is a spy started singing in one fleet battle) You aren't comparing apples with apples and are just letting your side of the conflict get in the way of rational discussion (yet again!) And your BoB main is named?? <br> ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
Ravysa Delorean Amarr Torro Negro Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:37:00 - [144] Originally by: DeckardIRL .... ..... 2) Provide the IP addresses to CCP and the local police. If you are US then I think the Secret Service also. .... Deck Bwahahah, also call the president, it¦s a matter of national security, rofl. WTS reality check.
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:44:00 - [145] Originally by: Ravysa Delorean Originally by: DeckardIRL .... ..... 2) Provide the IP addresses to CCP and the local police. If you are US then I think the Secret Service also. .... Deck Bwahahah, also call the president, it¦s a matter of national security, rofl. WTS reality check. ROFL! As it seems, there are kids involved in the shocking verbal assaults. I vote for them to be spanked repeteadly...and dont forget to notify their parents if u manage to track their IP. Remember to demand those kids get grounded. Nothing hurt more than a little house arrest
Goktar illiat Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:45:00 - [146] Pattesatan ! Thats one cool name lmao.
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:46:00 - [147] Sorry to hear yet another TS getting hacked, friend or foe I would not wish this on anyone (well maybe an exception for Man Utd fans) There is however no difference in how you gain access to a TS and ruin it for somebody, you are still achieving the same end. I live in Yorkshire and over here we call a spade a bloody shuvle non of this bollox about renaming unpleasant tasks/practices to make them more acceptable. So no more 'Social Engineering' it is lieing cheating and being a lowlife scumbag. If you feel you can justify lieing and cheating your way onto a server while hacking a server is something terribly wrong you are fooling only yourself. Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.06 11:55:00 - [148] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how **ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. QFT
FooB2 Caldari Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:02:00 - [149] Edited by: FooB2 on 06/04/2007 12:00:39 even though i think its been made fairly evident who was responsible for this (g00ns.net) already, i still think i should point out a few things. TEAM LULZ had nothing to do with this, TEAM LULZ also shares no affiliation with any alliances or organizations ingame. we dont do what we do for anyone but ourselves, nor do we use any illegal methods to do what we do. 95% our comms access is granted by an informant who approaches US and asks US to do a server for him/her, and the other 5% have no passwords in the first place. Also, we identify ourselves as LULZ agents and you can ask us outright wether it was or was not TEAM LULZ and we will tell you the truth. we are also not restricted to EVE servers either, infact we hit less EVE servers than any other. you may call us "dirty metagamers" if you wish, but metagaming implies the person doing the metagaming has something to gain from the target in a game or something, and as said before, we only do it for the lulz. as for the ASCN "is it bob or TEAM LULZ" ordeal... we shared no affilition with them, infact we hate all alliances equally, it was just the tinfoil hat reaction of ASCN that lead to the accusation of BoB, which in turn caused us to take advantage of the potential LULZ that the situation had to offer, and then reveal our true identities at the end. the reason ASCN was the target was infact a member of ASCN that approached people in a certain ingame channel and asked everyone to join, and just screw about, which we did. admittedly it went a bit astray when people who werent TEAM LULZ officials got in and started going "over the line" but thats the way the cookie crumbles. that pretty much wraps it up. good day.
Blitzkrieg Legion Du Lys Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:06:00 - [150] Metagaming is killing Eve slowly but surely ... Thank you BoB for opening the door to Pandera box

welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:16:00 - [151] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash ...(well maybe an exception for Man Utd fans)... Agree.
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:43:00 - [152] Mitch, perhaps your pc maybe affected by keyloggers or other malware designed to bypass the complexity of your password -------------------------------
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.04.06 12:49:00 - [153] Well first i don't "really like" Fallen Souls but this has nothing to do with this matter. The only "request" i would have regarding ingame matters is, what about editing the OP Mitch? Even though you mentioned that you are not pointing fingers you obviously were. Now that it is pretty clear that this goons.net group has most likely NOTHING to do with goonswarm it would be just fair to remove ANYTHING about your current ingame enemy from the OP. And it would be good for the whole thread as well as it would remove alot of the "flamebait". NOW regarding the out of game aspect: Everyone saying "move to vent is no option" because this is just about asshats on the internet has to get a clue. Sorry woody. Only someone who is masochist or his primary goal is to be the victim and everyone feeling sorry for him would prefer telnet over ssh fx(to not get into windows vs unix) for running his corp/alliance whereever possible. I don't really know much about teamspeak and vent security but IF one of the two is more secure and one still insists on using the less secure option then the one to blame is oneself and noone else. Regarding "spying vs hacking" discussion: PLS either discuss "spying vs. beeing an ass" OR "social engineering vs hacking". Regarding "Spying vs. beeing an ass" well one is fun for those who think spying is and should be part of the game and the other is just fun for the retarded 15 yo. Both can be pretty annoying but in most cases having the "offender"/spy in corp in the first place is ENTIRELY the fault of the "retarded" recruitment of 90% of the corporations and alliances in EvE. Greed 4tl. This was the case in STC/Tribe and i am pretty sure is still the case in Dark/Fall. I personally know quite a few who have been been turning coat from leeching in Tribe, joining ASCN to joining Bob pets/allies whenever that particular region changed hands. If you insist on recruiting "greedy turncoat freeloaders", then having spies is exactly what you are asking for. Regarding "hacking vs. social engineering": First both are illegal in RL business. Both are pretty hard to be be caught. And last but not least both happen all the time. The only reason CCP doesn't care about social engineering "ingame" but does care about hacking ingame is that one threatens "their cash cow" and the other doesn't. Nothing to do with morale. But for us as the community: Does it REALLY matter wether someone is doing everything to ruin your fun ingame OR out of game(forums, voice coms...)? Does it REALLY matter wether someone is spying on you ingame OR out of game(forums, voice coms...)? And last but not least does it REALLY matter HOW he aquired the access to spy on you or to just ruin your fun? Does it REALLY matter wether he used social engineering OR coding skills OR "1337 script kiddy skills" to do what he does? Regarding the "BoB does it, you are a BoB pet, like the medicine?", "No, we(BoB) don't do it" "blabla" discussion: First it is wellknown and BoB doesn't have ANY problem acknowledging that they like to infiltrate, spy, offline towers... Second BoB has enough "asshats" in their ranks and the same guys who think that calling you "pussies" or whatnot in local will make anyone with an IQ above 100 feel bad will most likely think it is funny to be an "asshat" on hostile TS/Vent as well. Third i HIGHLY doubt beeing an "asshat" on hostile voice coms is something BoB HC or the alliance itself stands for. They have way better and more important things to accomplish with their spies. And last does it REALLY matter wether BoB/Goons/anyone else accomplishes these goals by more social or more technical means?!? Does it matter wether those X towers were offlined due to one of your members with sufficient right having had his weak Eve Online password guessed OR having his password stored in a PM on your insecure forums OR as evemail on a friend's char which was sold OR himself turning coat for isk OR... --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:07:00 - [154] Originally by: welsh wizard Originally by: Robetta Dobbs Edited by: Robetta Dobbs on 06/04/2007 10:01:06 lol :D Busted? :P -------------------------------
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:15:00 - [155] I really do not believe in consipracies and in real life, the most logical explaination is almost always the correct one. If you are fighting someone, and then suddenly you experience TS abuse or hacking, the perpertrator is most likely one of your enemies or an associate of that enemy. Goon.net is unaffiliated with Goonswarm and is an entirely different organization, but I still firmly believe that the suspect in this case is affiliated with a hostile corporation as opposed to a random individual. EvE is such a teeny tiny drop in the MMO and gaming market that it would be absurd to single out the TS server of a small corp/alliance in what could be best described as an 'alternative' game. By the same token, if there was disruption occuring to ASCN's voice comms I don't believe it was a disgruntled person within ASCN, its far more likely it was someone from BOB. To believe anything else is to admit you are blind and cannot see what is in front of you. This is of course assuming that all claims made were first hand accounts and not something someone heard from the cousin's best friend's dog-walker. I abhore meta-gaming of any kind and wish people could keep things fair. The reality is that some of us are more competitive than others and seek any advantage we can get. The blame for this problem rests squarely on the shoulders of CCP. Ever since EvE went live CCP has allowed spying, theft and scamming to go on. Once these activities, which can be bannable offenses in other MMO's (I know at least scamming was bannable in UO), were allowed to continue, human nature took over and the natural escalation began. No longer was it enough to spy in corp chat, you had to be in their TS, hack their forums...etc until we reached the state of the community today. This community can be saved, but only if CCP draws a line in the sand and starts outright banning of meta-gaming. They already banned one hacker, so we know how far the policy can extend. ----
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:21:00 - [156] Originally by: lles Originally by: Dr Einkeisel Urm, Im going to break the forum blackout, but is that there own IRC server ? If so wouldn't it be rather stupid logging onto there as you would give them your IP etc etc.. and if they are known hackers and pretty good wouldn't it be a bad idea giving them your IP ? I dont know much about Internet and hacking, but I surpose you could go through a Proxy to log onto there IRC? Well...it looks like you know alot of it. And Im not gonna say that at some times TS get hacked just before or at the time of a battle with BOB. But that "MUST" be coincedence..... Sorry BUT WTF?!? Doc Einkeisel's post did just one thing, prove that he does NOT know anything/much about it. Letting someone know your IP a security risk?!? Expecting such a group to be anything bar lame script kids who don't even remotely know the difference between localhost and 127.0.0.1?!? --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Tyrian Solteuer Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.04.06 13:48:00 - [157] Mitch, Sorry to hear about this happening to you guys. We had a very similar run in with some hackers/griefers a while ago. Honestly it sounds like you might have the same crew on your back now from the looks of things. Get in touch with us if it continues and we'll pass along what we've got on them. MO: TS Hacking, Foul abusive language (especially towards females), forum hacking, IP Address piggybacking...the list goes on. We were going to publish it all in an attempt to get them banned but have not done so yet. Sorry for your troubles, we know how hard it can be.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:06:00 - [158] Originally by: DeckardIRL 2) Provide the IP addresses to CCP ... I find metagaming of any kind lame disgusting and worth to ban, obviously CCP is of different opinion so there is no doubt about my position here. However... This g00n hackers are completely unrelated to 'our' Goonswarm alliance! It is a shame of the op that he didn't do a quick research before throwing wild and false accusations around (though understandable in his anger and frustration maybe). I hope he quickly adds a few lines to his topic. Now to the suggestion of Deckard and other people to provide CCP with the IP and let CCP ban the person with the IP: Please think a bit further. What will happen next? I get your IP (because you post on forums etc.) and tell CCP a lie that you invaded my TS (which you never did), caused havok there and that they must ban you. And next you know you are banned. Nice thought? I don't think so. CCP can't and won't investigate stuff that happens because you use 3rd party software. They are not paid for this and actually I want them working on EVE and improving it, nothing else.
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:20:00 - [159] Originally by: Probus Edited by: Probus on 06/04/2007 09:13:20 "We are just playing a game. These actions sicken me, whoever is responsible" So you don't like metagaming? Well, neither do I. Did you ever read this forumpost? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=425144&page=1 It seems to me that your beloved landlords invented metagaming in EVE... You remind me of the Republicans who are saying John Edwards is trying to get pity votes because his wife has cancer. I hope you like being compared to the Bush Administration
Kespii Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:23:00 - [160] By the way, anyone who even wants to believe that Goonswarm is responsible for this is an idiot.

killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:38:00 - [161] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years So you approve off hacking I'm glad i'm not in your corp. And for the record ASCN TS was compromised(spies) during the bob-ascn war but never ever did the ascn ts got hacked by anybody thats a big difference!!!!!!! But if you wanna approve hacking somebodies TS nice chap you are then Don't be a great man just be a man
killerco Gallente Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:40:00 - [162] Originally by: Ty'derian stop whining look what BOB had did with ascn.. bob infiltrated ascn TS they never hacked it !!! We never had anything like this during the ascn war so get your facts straight Don't be a great man just be a man
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:51:00 - [163] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 06/04/2007 14:48:12 Originally by: killerco Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years So you approve off hacking I'm glad i'm not in your corp. And for the record ASCN TS was compromised(spies) during the bob-ascn war but never ever did the ascn ts got hacked by anybody thats a big difference!!!!!!! But if you wanna approve hacking somebodies TS nice chap you are then Glad I'm not a moron like u making accusations based on an assumption! Go to ****!
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.04.06 14:59:00 - [164] OP mentioned that the hackers knew a lot about EVE and their alliance. It seems highly likely they are eve players - but not neccessarily their enemies. Get their IPs and make harrassment petitions with them. However as I understand teh internets, they can use proxies. Record their voices too. Everyone smacktalks sometimes but OOG harrassment is something else. If some of our dear EVE players don't want to be banned by people you think are too "weak", stop trying to exploit their weakness by exposing your own.
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:05:00 - [165] Originally by: killerco Originally by: Ty'derian stop whining look what BOB had did with ascn.. bob infiltrated ascn TS they never hacked it !!! We never had anything like this during the ascn war so get your facts straight Where is the goddamn difference?!? For example is something like: "can't understand you... always gets cut off... can you check my connection packet loss log... just rightclick my name in ts... nah... there is some hidden connection status windows somewhere.. hmm.. try ctrl-e... nah... wait i'll try google...silence...ah, must have been that pr0rn download... now it is allright" Considered "hacking"? Considered OK? Do we even know HOW whoever did this got server admin rights? And most important would it REALLY matter wether he exploited layer 8 or one of the other 7 to escalate his priviledges? And btw you had something that i would consider "like this" during the war against BoB. It wasn't BoB though who did it and they preferred having fun whispering to you... for ages over making it "quick and painless" like in this case. --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:12:00 - [166] This should be solved at 10 paces and my money's on Mitch. Gluck catching these scum.
Saltire System-Lords E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:49:00 - [167] TS has a major hole in it. Have a look at your server stats when its running, you will see 2 open ports listening for connections, one of thse can be exploited very easily. I am almost certain port 51234 can be an exploited port..
Lowa Gallente North Star Networks Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.04.06 15:50:00 - [168] IMHO there is a big difference in hacking and social engineering but before we go any further I must also state that none of them is really acceptable and does not belong in a game. However, if one was to insert a spy or in other ways gain access information onto a TS or Vent with nothing more than being a "nice fellow" the act is perhaps less of a offense. Hacking takes deliberate actions against a server and uses only out of game mechanics and is imho worse and actually show less skill since apperantly the perpetrator was unable to get access by being a shady char in-game. But no matter how you gain access, the real differentiator is what you do with the access. If you sit and listen and relay information that is "ok", you are not disrupting anything and you are not causing anyone greaf on the actual com's. Now, you may or may not agree on that point, I'm not sure I agree my self but I would be very surprised if we all didnt agree that doing the above is not even close to come on what ever com's and starta banning, screaming, calling people names and so on. People doing that, may they be EVE players or affilitated with them or totally random people messing stuff up for "the fun of it" are quite simple lame ass persons. No class what so ever. And I'm certainly not a hacker anymore but if there is one thing I remember from the "good old days" it was that you dont f*ck around. Its done with class and style and above all: Without anyone ever knowing you where there. But perhaps its just me getting old and grumpy and its these chavs that got it right... Cheers, Lowa What if the truth was something else?
Daald Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:10:00 - [169] Quote: IMHO there is a big difference in hacking and social engineering Most good hackers use social engineering. Hackers look for weaknesses they can exploit and one of the biggest weaknesses in any system is the human component. Here is a news article on Mitnick: Link I think what you are seeing here is basically the slippery slope in action. Some people were "ok" with moving that boundary line just a little. Just sit on that server and do nothing, just listen and relay information. Harmless right? The next person pushes it a little bit more and the next a little farther than that up to where you end up in the latest situations. The problem now is that you can no longer take the moral high ground. Anyway, I'm against any of this. Just play the game and remember that winning is not everything in a video game. -----------------------------
Bentula	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:32:00 - [170] For those people having problems problems understanding the difference between using social engeneering and hacking let me explain this in a real life situation you might better understand. A) You met chuck and his wife cindy on a campig trip, you dont really like them and want to play a trick on them with your friends. After that camping trip you visit them at their home, get invited in and proceed to badmouth them and throwing their stuff around until they show you the door. B) Same situation, but instead of ringing the doorbell you climb through a open window of their house at night, throw them out of bed and badmouthing them while throwing around their stuff like a lunatic until they manage to get you out. One of these is just making an ass out of yourself, the other is a criminal offence, while both are morally wrong. I sincerly hope you see the difference. Breaking into something, be it a computer or house is against the law. Gaining access by somehow making the owners inviting you is several steps below that. And stop saying stuff like bob invented metagaming in eve, this has nothing to do with metagaming at all. There is a difference between using out of game resources and breaking the law.

Daald Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:39:00 - [171] What if you misrepresent yourself? C) Same situation you described. The people realized you were a douche and would not open the door to you. So you dress up as a utility person and ask to get into their house to check on something (Let's say possible gas leak). Where does this situation fall? -----------------------------
Ty'derian ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:39:00 - [172] Originally by: Bentula For those people having problems problems understanding the difference between using social engeneering and hacking let me explain this in a real life situation you might better understand. A) You met chuck and his wife cindy on a campig trip, you dont really like them and want to play a trick on them with your friends. After that camping trip you visit them at their home, get invited in and proceed to badmouth them and throwing their stuff around until they show you the door. B) Same situation, but instead of ringing the doorbell you climb through a open window of their house at night, throw them out of bed and badmouthing them while throwing around their stuff like a lunatic until they manage to get you out. One of these is just making an ass out of yourself, the other is a criminal offence, while both are morally wrong. I sincerly hope you see the difference. Breaking into something, be it a computer or house is against the law. Gaining access by somehow making the owners inviting you is several steps below that. And stop saying stuff like bob invented metagaming in eve, this has nothing to do with metagaming at all. There is a difference between using out of game resources and breaking the law. BOB friends now only get this what BOB do with others,.. metagaming.. hacking,. spying and the other ****.. be proud to have BOB as friend.. i hope yu will now love the metagamers in your own alliance and corp too
Gutsani Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:39:00 - [173] Originally by: Bentula For those people having problems problems understanding the difference between using social engeneering and hacking let me explain this in a real life situation you might better understand. A) You met chuck and his wife cindy on a campig trip, you dont really like them and want to play a trick on them with your friends. After that camping trip you visit them at their home, get invited in and proceed to badmouth them and throwing their stuff around until they show you the door. B) Same situation, but instead of ringing the doorbell you climb through a open window of their house at night, throw them out of bed and badmouthing them while throwing around their stuff like a lunatic until they manage to get you out. One of these is just making an ass out of yourself, the other is a criminal offence, while both are morally wrong. I sincerly hope you see the difference. Breaking into something, be it a computer or house is against the law. Gaining access by somehow making the owners inviting you is several steps below that. And stop saying stuff like bob invented metagaming in eve, this has nothing to do with metagaming at all. There is a difference between using out of game resources and breaking the law. Wrong, the first is a criminal offence also, just one with a lower value. Both are criminal offences, but it really just matters what you do with them. "hacking" gives you 3 months upto 3 years. "social engineering" gives you a max of 6 months, for impersonating people. However if you do stuff with it, you can be in jail with both for quite a while. ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
boeses frettchen 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:40:00 - [174] Originally by: Bentula stuff 1. post with ur main 2. Social engeneering is most likely illegal as hacking in some countries just a reminder, this is a "game", neither hacking or social engeneering should have a pllace in a game!
crice Caldari CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.06 16:59:00 - [175] Goon Logic: Exploit Hacking is something they go and brag about it is public information. It is like being a total loser and doing something like kicking the cat down the street and going to tell the "cool" kids about it so they can be cool as well. Although the ideals are flawed to say the least. Wolf seems to be happy, as they are generating more income by having more "trash" in game, CCP don't seem to condone this. Regardless nothing will be done because all in all Goons bring revenue and people to EvE, and I am happy to keep killing them. Hacking is federal. Enjoy the game. crice
quellious COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:12:00 - [176] So sad metagaming. This is exactly because we don't want it that we are fitting BoB to remove them from eve. - Did you noticed that a pendulum does not swing in deep space ?
Arshes Nei Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:15:00 - [177] Edited by: Arshes Nei on 06/04/2007 17:15:02 Originally by: Gutsani Wrong, the first is a criminal offence also, just one with a lower value. Both are criminal offences, but it really just matters what you do with them. "hacking" gives you 3 months upto 3 years. "social engineering" gives you a max of 6 months, for impersonating people. However if you do stuff with it, you can be in jail with both for quite a while. and Originally by: boeses frettchen Originally by: Bentula stuff 2. Social engeneering is most likely illegal as hacking in some countries just a reminder, this is a "game", neither hacking or social engeneering should have a pllace in a game! Let me allow to comment both of your replys together: Not quite correct in this case, if i would talk to your alliance TS guru saying "him im arshes nei and would like to get on your TS server" and he grants me access to that based on my corp/alliance affilitation im not impersonating anyone. There is no legal difference between an alt and a main character(im not an alt though ), both are virtual characters in a game and thus meet your very own requirements for getting TS access. Since you do not actually require people to give out their personal details, spys dont have to give wrong personal details. They give you the same details any non spying member of your corporation would give you, its your own fault if you accept that. The fact that a person has another virtual character in another virtual corporation and uses his character to perform a operation desired by the game has nothing to do with impersonating. Impersonating would be if i gained access to your TS by pretending to be boeses frettchen(provided im not, if you where a alt of mine it wouldnt be impersonating unless i had a split personality maybe ). Most likely these corp spies(remember that they are not real spies in the legal sense) are even protected by the law because its none of your buisness what characters in what game another person plays in his free time. Dont get me wrong though, im against any form of this metagaming, but its a difference wether someone misuses the rights you gave him or wether he acquired those rights by himself. Edit: To clarify, hacking a TS server is always against the law, gaining access to it granted by the owner depends on wether or not you used a false identity it seems as someone else already pointed out in another example.
Sap Stabdrip	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:24:00 - [178] Originally by: crice Goon Logic: Exploit Hacking is something they go and brag about it is public information. It is like being a total loser and doing something like kicking the cat down the street and going to tell the "cool" kids about it so they can be cool as well. Although the ideals are flawed to say the least. Wolf seems to be happy, as they are generating more income by having more "trash" in game, CCP don't seem to condone this. Regardless nothing will be done because all in all Goons bring revenue and people to EvE, and I am happy to keep killing them. Hacking is federal. Enjoy the game. crice Idiot.
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:27:00 - [179] That trace to goons.net is interesting. Perhaps you mean www.g00ns.net. Excuse if I invoke RL a bit. This is a serious matter. The "g00ns", NOT to be confused with eve's goonfleet , completely unrelated , are a hacker group that used to specialise in TS hacking, mainly with games like counter-strike etc, and got in an infamous run-in with the "indymedia" left wingers when a bush supporting member used a sql injection exploit to destroy a bunch of independant news sites for "not being loyal to bush" (they where almost all non american sites btw so.. um.. yeah). Aparently it lead to some leftie hackers tracking them down and handing em over to the cops. Or something like that. Anyway. If you get information, PASS IT TO THE FBI. These guys have been investigated before by them, and there have been raids in the past related to them. This isnt about metagaming. Its about a long time NON eve corp of bullying ***** script kiddies out to harrass honest gamers. Bob's TS intrusions on ASCN where unfortunate, but legit in the general norms of this game and didnt use hacking. This is out of order. ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader**.
Ztang Canary Amarr McDuff Industries	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:31:00 - [180] Appaling, and sad to learn the lenghts to which people stoop in this game. That said, its rather amusing and ironic to see a member of Dark Rising (Bob slaves per exellance) complain about meta-gaming and having ones TS hacked. About 5 months ago, when the ASCN-BoB war was raging, it was a Dark Rising member that informed me of how BoB was hacking ASCN's TS, and how "cool" that was.... They used a vulnerable port, mapping out who was on our TS, and god knows what other info they got out of it. I wont divulge the name of the Dark Rising member that gave me this info, but suffice to say, I directed said info directly to Cyvok. What came out of it, I dont know. So...yes, sad to hear your TS was hacked, I dont condone of such methods in a game...but it might be a good idea to keep ones own backyard clean, before coming out so strong about the unjust behavior of others... Ztang Canary *********************** In limbo, awaiting the day when Eve is played on truly equal terms, when every player is equal to CCP, and wins/losses arent determined by lag and server issues.

Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:32:00 - [181] Originally by: Saladin I really do not believe in consipracies and in real life, the most logical explaination is almost always the correct one. If you are fighting someone, and then suddenly you experience TS abuse or hacking, the perpertrator is most likely one of your enemies or an associate of that enemy. "I have nothing to base my accusations on other than blind trust, and a liberal use of Occams Razor." Kosovo was able to engage a number of allied aircraft during that particular conflict, and even brought down a few. Since the people most against the war, who could provide flight details... were protesters... I guess they were really spies. And the Chinese Embassy intercepting radio signals and passing intel onto the Kosovars never really happened. The most simple explanation possible only really sells if you're really simple minded. Fubar
Enre Sung Market Control Paradigm	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:40:00 - [182] Edited by: Enre Sung on 06/04/2007 17:38:43 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Social engineering also fits within the game where hacking is taking it out of the game and the obvious step after that would be dropping by someones house with a baseball bat, not quite the direction you want online gaming to go ey? The only thing that can stop a good Matchstick is a better Matchstick. If someone who actually knows what they're doing in regards to social engineering is trying to get you to do something, they'll get you to do it. A bad con man is as easy to find and stop as a script kiddie, and a good con man is as hard to stop as a high-skill hacker. Both are pretty illegal. Not going in support of either, just saying that the differences are not really there. People tend to fawn over social engineering because its practitioners are, by definition, good at making people think what they want them to think, and it's more of a "swashbuckling" thing than hacking. Originally by: Vily there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check Rockduiveltje, try again.
Graalum Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.06 17:44:00 - [183] Originally by: End Yourself Everyone saying "move to vent is no option" because this is just about asshats on the internet has to get a clue. Sorry woody. Only someone who is masochist or his primary goal is to be the victim and everyone feeling sorry for him would prefer telnet over ssh fx(to not get into windows vs unix) for running his corp/alliance whereever possible. I don't really know much about teamspeak and vent security but IF one of the two is more secure and one still insists on using the less secure option then the one to blame is oneself and noone else. I love it when people blame the victim. The only person who can be blamed here is the person who presumably committed a crime. Lets say theoretically, a chevy is easier to steal than a ford. Now if someone owns a chevy, is it their fault it was stolen since they didn't buy a ford, even though that ford could also be stolen, but with more difficulty? The logical end of your assertion is that if fallen souls didn't have voice coms, they wouldn't have to worry about it getting hacked.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:03:00 - [184] Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 06/04/2007 18:01:05 Truly unfortunate the community has come to this. It is possible however that the hacker may not be an eve player himself, but related to one and did it as a favor. -------------------
Zhajad Khalud The Red Rage	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:09:00 - [185] Edited by: Zhajad Khalud on 06/04/2007 18:07:14 Imho, this whole thing (and all related incidents) stems from 2 things mainly. Please note I do not attribute these to any specific corp/alliance, not even to one specific side of a larger conflict. 1) Lack of respect. The grudges in the game have become harder, a bad reputation does not prevent oneself from finding allies and once somehting like that happens a few times to an alliance, at least a few of its members feel it would be only just to happen to their enemies as well. 2) EVE rewards such behavior, and that is the truly sad thing. For an average, non-super-rich player in EVE war means quite a big risk of ingame cash and assets. POS warfare and capital ship battles add to this, effectively making some people not want to lose AT ANY COST. At least seen from the outside, the guys who do something like that usually dont seem to get caught & banned. They get massive ingame advantages from it (damaging enemy communications and morale severely) and most of the time, not even their corp/alliance gets a bad name from it (after all, it could be anyone doing it, so posters on the forum are quick to remind everyone), much less do they get a bad name themselves. In my opinion, this sad development will only get worse, until it gets to the point where ppl on the forums tell the victims how stupid they were to not employ such tactics on their opponents first. I do not know how to stop this, but with what values are at stake with today's EVE wars, I must say the game mechanics sure further it.
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:18:00 - [186] Originally by: Fubarski Originally by: Saladin I really do not believe in consipracies and in real life, the most logical explaination is almost always the correct one. If you are fighting someone, and then suddenly you experience TS abuse or hacking, the perpertrator is most likely one of your enemies or an associate of that enemy. "I have nothing to base my accusations on other than blind trust, and a liberal use of Occams Razor." Kosovo was able to engage a number of allied aircraft during that particular conflict, and even brought down a few. Since the people most against the war, who could provide flight details... were protesters... I guess they were really spies. And the Chinese Embassy intercepting radio signals and passing intel onto the Kosovars never really happened. The most simple explanation possible only really sells if you're really simple minded. Fubar What Kosovars? Do you mean Serbians? What are you talking about? This is not a courtroom, there is no presumption of innocence. If a woman cheating on her husband turns up dead, 9 out of 10 times its the jealous husband, not the wife commiting suicide so the husband would look bad. That has nothing to do with blind trust or the Ostrich Rectum. What I am saying that when you are at war with someone, and with the EvE community the way it is now, its far more likely that your TS was hacked as part of meta-gaming effort of your enemy rather than a disgruntled alliance mate who became so angry he decided to tear everything down from the inside rather than just leave (what most people do) or contact the enemy and act as their agent. ----
Sae Marr Amarr 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.06 18:59:00 - [187] While the "hacker" could have probably gone about it more gracefully, I think everything goes when it comes to game-related comms. I'd never condone gaining access to someone's comms via an exploit, but I'd fully expect my server to be attacked; and certainly would not be outraged or even surprised if it happened. I realize this is a rather unpopular opinion, but if you feel necessary extrapolate this line of reasoning to tracing a person in RL and beating his ass, please don't bother, it's not nearly the same. -
HankMurphy Minmatar Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.06 20:52:00 - [188] omg i figured it out CCP is hacking TS servers to get us to buy eve voice
Frothgar Caldari Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.06 21:48:00 - [189] Meh. Not too many taboos left in the metagaming ****wit crowd Theft ingame and out? Check. RL out of game attacks? Check. All thats left really is murder. I bet BoB goes there first.
dinorryox Black Lance NBSI Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 21:59:00 - [190] I not read every reply so forgive me if what I'm about to say has already been mentioned. I am surprised CCP would stoop so low in order to get eve players to pay and use their ingame voice comms [/url]

Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:16:00 - [191] Edited by: Tearavygh Quillam on 06/04/2007 22:14:05 Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Croesus What is the moral difference between hacking and using social engineering to get access to a ts server fx? Social engineering can be stopped/prevented by almost everyone, hacking can only be stopped by those who are good at it. Social engineering also fits within the game where hacking is taking it out of the game and the obvious step after that would be dropping by someones house with a baseball bat, not quite the direction you want online gaming to go ey? I could be mistaken, because I can't read Croesus' mind. He didn't refer to social engineering that was used in Eve (i.e. eve chats, evemail, evevoice, let's say Eve-o, too), he refers to social engineering out of the game to get access to a TS that it's also out of the game and could also be used for non-Eve purposes. If it's the case and if it was in Eve maybe you could stop it, by being cautious that a spy could be at the other end. If it's not Eve, you can't always suspect what's all about, except for being totally paranoic. Hacking and social engineering are two differents methods to get into someone's private affairs, one is more subtle and hasn't a good proved rate of success, the other is direct and very proveable. Social engineering and hacking both rely to "unguarded backdoors", so they are basically the same. So can't protect what you can't suspect it may be attacked. PS: Sry for typos.
easei Energy.	Posted - 2007.04.06 22:57:00 - [192] Pretty uncool because If its the "lady of dark rising" she really doesn't deserve that...It makes me depressed. But on a side note everyones trashed the idea of eve voice and yet it solves all of the out of game spy problems because they have to actully be in your corp to have access to voice comms. Where as the offender is running around on DR's TS is out of game and CCP can't, therefore won't do anything about it.
Artemis Byte Raging Phoenix Incorporated North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.04.10 05:04:00 - [193] I knew where this was going and I was praying that it wasn't goons but then I saw the "goon.net" part and just had to share my experiences.I didn't read the entire thread (7 pages of CAOD tuns one into a homicidal manic rather quickly, sorry I'm a lightweight) but I'll assume you don't know who the g00ns are. The correct website is "g00ns.net" (note the zero's). It seems to have degraded/changed into a forums only but it used to be a website that had all their trophy kills, mostly recorded convo's of them getting various people to say they were "owned by g00ns.net", and other blackmail. I know this because our vent server was infiltrated by one of them (on another game), the person gained our trust and had his friends act as his voice until he was ready to take control of the server and trash our forums. I would seriously consider looking inward as our spy had been in our ranks for 3-5 months. They don't care about the game, they are in it for the pain they caused/will cause. Note however that the hacker didn't even spell the website right so it may be someone trying to pull a red-herring. I sincerely hope that whoever it is they move on without causing too much trouble to you.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 06:15:00 - [194] Metagaming always sucks. It's taken a bigger and bigger part of EVE though and it will only grow. Sorry to hear about this FS. The name of the server though after the change is anybodys guess why it was changed to that.
DANGEROUS Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.10 09:52:00 - [195] I feel for you Mitch, however, - as several people have already said this is sadly common nowadays. - For at least 18 months BoB have employed slaves to 'spy' on TS. It basically makes the ability to communicate in combat almost impossibleremoving 85% of the fun from an op being based on military and tactical prowess - to who has a spy in their TS!! The people who LIVE eve (as i once did) HAVE to win, even by using spies. Personally i HATE that part of this game - i mean - its not RL - should be fun etc etc - - it takes FOREVER to build some things in eve - be that a titan - or a full 200 man bs fleet with support - - - it removes the point of it nearly 100% when insucure comms costs you such assets!!
Xscaped Pensioner Trident Industries	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:12:00 - [196] Edited by: Xscaped Pensioner on 10/04/2007 10:08:15 Originally by: Sae Marr I realize this is a rather unpopular opinion, but if you feel necessary extrapolate this line of reasoning to tracing a person in RL and beating his ass, please don't bother, it's not nearly the same. However it may be rather satisfying to do so whether right or wrong
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:25:00 - [197] Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crucifier Tbh you got what you had coming to you nabs Its absolutely astounding to see people supporting such illegal activities that are used to get ahead in a game of internet spaceships. Sorry to burst your bubble of righteous indignation but there's a group named goon that have been messing with TS servers completely independent of EVE for a couple or three years now. I don't believe this was game related, just TS shenanigans. That still doesn't even make it legal, let alone allowed. Spying using a password that was given to you or you bribed someone to get is different from hacking. One is illegal, one isn't. One can get you in jail for a decade, one can't. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:27:00 - [198] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. Most people start screaming hax when something doesn't work as expected, it only takes a few people to change that into "our enemy haxed" us intentionally. Note that no proof whatsoever needs to be shown, just saying it on ts will set the rumourmill going. Couple that with "spies" that just repeat words and never check and there you go. -- .sig apathy ftw
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:54:00 - [199] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crucifier Tbh you got what you had coming to you nabs Its absolutely astounding to see people supporting such illegal activities that are used to get ahead in a game of internet spaceships. Sorry to burst your bubble of righteous indignation but there's a group named goon that have been messing with TS servers completely independent of EVE for a couple or three years now. I don't believe this was game related, just TS shenanigans. That still doesn't even make it legal, let alone allowed. Spying using a password that was given to you or you bribed someone to get is different from hacking. One is illegal, one isn't. One can get you in jail for a decade, one can't. So if I conn that old lady next door to give me her creditcard and code and take $200 off her bankaccount, that is legal? SWEEEET! As said before, social engineering to gain access can be illegal depending on where you do it and what you do with it. Though fact is, just like with TS hacking, the probability of getting prosecuted are practically zero. So all the 'oh my god, its illegal' comments are getting rather tiresome and silly, noone is gonna do anything about it anyway.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:54:00 - [200] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Admiral Feelgood Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Crucifier Tbh you got what you had coming to you nabs Its absolutely astounding to see people supporting such illegal activities that are used to get ahead in a game of internet spaceships. Sorry to burst your bubble of righteous indignation but there's a group named goon that have been messing with TS servers completely independent of EVE for a couple or three years now. I don't believe this was game related, just TS shenanigans. That still doesn't even make it legal, let alone allowed. Spying using a password that was given to you or you bribed someone to get is different from hacking. One is illegal, one isn't. One can get you in jail for a decade, one can't. So if I conn that old lady next door to give me her creditcard and code and take $200 off her bankaccount, that is legal? SWEEEET! As said before, social engineering to gain access can be illegal depending on where you do it and what you do with it. Though fact is, just like with TS hacking, the probability of getting prosecuted are practically zero. So all the 'oh my god, its illegal' comments are getting rather tiresome and silly, noone is gonna do anything about it anyway.

Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:56:00 - [201] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. Most people start screaming hax when something doesn't work as expected, it only takes a few people to change that into "our enemy haxed" us intentionally. Note that no proof whatsoever needs to be shown, just saying it on ts will set the rumourmill going. Couple that with "spies" that just repeat words and never check and there you go. Actually BoB freely admits to gaining access to their enemies TS. The only debate there is whether that is illegal or not (social engineering vs. hacking). But since neither is gonna get anyone in trouble, the difference is rather irrelevant IMO.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:56:00 - [202] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. Most people start screaming hax when something doesn't work as expected, it only takes a few people to change that into "our enemy haxed" us intentionally. Note that no proof whatsoever needs to be shown, just saying it on ts will set the rumourmill going. Couple that with "spies" that just repeat words and never check and there you go. Actually BoB freely admits to gaining access to their enemies TS. The only debate there is whether that is illegal or not (social engineering vs. hacking). But since neither is gonna get anyone in trouble, the difference is rather irrelevant IMO.
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:59:00 - [203] Having not read pages 3-present (time is money after all). This is a problem on a number of TS server, with people joining with random names, loggin off then funny things like music playingin the background without anyone who is visible doing it. Seems like there are ways to be invisible on the servers, its one of those things. Its like accepting someone on your MSN Messanger. I had some one request to add them as a friend (which I get a few, all legit), about 2 weeks later I found my hotmail was hacked and info about all my websites that i visit, even my Website Host, had been changed. The only way I found out was the fact the email address of the person, was set on my Web Host as my Contact email, and the address was changed to some other country. How they managed to get into hotmail through Messanger, with me only accepting the invite (and nothing like accepting downloads) I will never know. __________________________ My sig changes once work gets boring...
MrLobster Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:59:00 - [204] Having not read pages 3-present (time is money after all). This is a problem on a number of TS server, with people joining with random names, loggin off then funny things like music playingin the background without anyone who is visible doing it. Seems like there are ways to be invisible on the servers, its one of those things. Its like accepting someone on your MSN Messanger. I had some one request to add them as a friend (which I get a few, all legit), about 2 weeks later I found my hotmail was hacked and info about all my websites that i visit, even my Website Host, had been changed. The only way I found out was the fact the email address of the person, was set on my Web Host as my Contact email, and the address was changed to some other country. How they managed to get into hotmail through Messanger, with me only accepting the invite (and nothing like accepting downloads) I will never know. __________________________ My sig changes once work gets boring...
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.10 15:54:00 - [205] Originally by: Malachon Draco Actually BoB freely admits to gaining access to their enemies TS. The only debate there is whether that is illegal or not (social engineering vs. hacking). But since neither is gonna get anyone in trouble, the difference is rather irrelevant IMO. Ohrly?! Spying is the norm here in EVE, I don't know why bob is being referenced again, most big alliances have spies among their enemies with TS access, who cares what bob supposedly admits to? The complaint here was that someone got on their TS with elevated privileges and started disrupting operations including banning people. Not just relaying intel which as i said, is pretty normal in this game. Thats a whole different ballgame then what bob admits to and what most (spying) people in EVE do. Why would you confuse whats going on here and what everyone and their mother seem to do to gain intel on their enemies? -- .sig apathy ftw
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:14:00 - [206] Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 10/04/2007 17:10:05 Originally by: Frothgar Meh. Not too many taboos left in the metagaming **wit crowd Theft ingame and out? Check. RL out of game attacks? Check. All thats left really is murder. I bet BoB goes there first.** The highlighted text is totally uncalled for and should net the poster a ban.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:24:00 - [207] Edited by: Victor Vision on 10/04/2007 17:22:51 This is adressed to all those who think out of game attacks or other - similar - below the belt punches are valid strategies in EVE: Attacks like the one on Dark-Rising show that some people need to learn that EVE is a game. Once that elementary truth is understood, the next steps are easy. Understand that other EVE players are playing the same game you are playing. Logically speaking they are playing the game together with you. Now ask yourselves how you would usualy treat pleople you are playing a game with, say in a comfortable setting in your home at a table. Last step is applying that behaviour to how you treat others in EVE, and on the forums. The result will not only improve your personal forum and eve experience, but also that of others. EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:28:00 - [208] Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor Edited by: Yodaron Ballsithor on 10/04/2007 17:10:05 Originally by: Frothgar Meh. Not too many taboos left in the metagaming **wit crowd Theft ingame and out? Check. RL out of game attacks? Check. All thats left really is murder. I bet BoB goes there first.** The highlighted text is totally uncalled for and should net the poster a ban. His point would be that ppl are constantly taking metagaming further and further - and ask what would be next? RL murder and suicides has been commited in other MMOG's over the loss of virtual items, and it would be naive to believe ppl in a game like Eve (where death penalties and loss is much greater and severe compared to other MMOG's) would'nt go there if things continue to escalate. But ure right in that an entire community(BOB) should'nt be singled out in such a manner.
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:47:00 - [209] Edited by: Victor Vision on 10/04/2007 17:44:15 Originally by: Zrevak Ashek ... His point would be that ppl are constantly taking metagaming further and further - and ask what would be next? RL murder and suicides has been commited in other MMOG's over the loss of virtual items, and it would be naive to believe ppl in a game like Eve (where death penalties and loss is much greater and severe compared to other MMOG's) would'nt go there if things continue to escalate. ... Mr. Zrevak Ashek, I feel it is the communities responsibility to try to abort such a development as much as we can. Look at some of the more humorous posts on CAOD, many readers and posters still have the ability to laugh about themselves and take the game as a game. At the same time I have to say that in my opinion mentally unstable people that are not able to differentiate virtual 'reality' from real reality are not well advised to play EVE. Due to EVEs sometimes harsh nature, the realisation that all is only a game, and the ability to keep emotional distance when required, is very important. Regards, VV EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.04.10 18:37:00 - [210] Originally by: Vily Edited by: Vily on 05/04/2007 23:51:49 Originally by: Ty'derian Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Originally by: Mitch Taylor Originally by: Major Stormer As much as I dislike Mitch and Fallen Souls, this kind of ** is never needed. Lets keep it INGAME people. bearing inmind how ed off i am right now, you just made me smile mate. :) Ironic to see the BOB slaves complain about something enemies of BOB has had to endure for years If u fight BOB - get used to it. If u fight Goons - get used to it. 100% agree there is a difference between sneaking on someones TS server and listening, and verbally assaulting female members. if you think that that is legitimate in ANY WAY, you need to get a reality check Neither is legitimate means of playing the game Vily both are utterly lame ways to play and complete asshats for doing it. CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature**



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