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Raskil	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:08:00 - [1] Concord is no longer performing its intended function. This is due mainly to Privateers war efforts, in effect making legal pirates in high security space. CONCORD needs to step up and do something about this since it is CONCORD that is supposed to be protecting the space lanes.
Svenstaro Amarr Templars of Space CORE.	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:10:00 - [2] While doing some mega-carebearing in Empire today I lost my T2 Abaddon to some Priv, so yes, I must agree it's getting out of hand. ____________________________________________ Toyship Wallpapers
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:21:00 - [3] I like seeing some wartargets in empire, makes it not so boring. Sadly im not often in empire Adapt and you will be fine. Either get some serious firepower in empire or join a NPC corp. Or make a carebear alt corp, whatever. CCP wont change game mechanics because of a (some) wardec(s).
Raskil	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:22:00 - [4] I cant even run to empire to pickup a new ship or POS supplies without a huge escort. It is ruining the fun aspect of the game now that empire is no longer empire. Now everywhere is 0.0 except that in empire, you cannnot hunt down your enemies becuase they just hide in stations, exploit lag and game mechanics such as Jita ship undocking.
stopdropandlol Gallente F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:23:00 - [5] i agree you should be completley imune to everyone in empire. and another thing npc's do too much damage and shouldnt shoot me. infact the npc;s should attack whoever is attacking me if i am doing a mission
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Raskil I cant even run to empire to pickup a new ship or POS supplies without a huge escort. It is ruining the fun aspect of the game now that empire is no longer empire. Now everywhere is 0.0 except that in empire, you cannnot hunt down your enemies becuase they just hide in stations, exploit lag and game mechanics such as Jita ship undocking. Getting shot with black screen is petitionable. Petitions are annoying, but at least the loss is compensated. I dont know how many black screen killmails privs get, but its sad they spam their killboard with these mails. The ship gets reimbursed, so why post the mail? Some corps which join privs just want to enlarge their e-peen with those (fake) killmails.
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:36:00 - [7] Borrowing a WoW phrase, L2P n00bs. Solutions 1) Move in gangs. 2) Join a corp who isn't dec'd. 3) Make a hauler alt. 4) Stay out of empire 5) The best reason: SHOOT BACK! CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Lucky Lynn	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:46:00 - [8] OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining. I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose. Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire." And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB). But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance. NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA. Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers. In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity.
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:48:00 - [9] Privateer. PRIVATEER LEGALIZED PIRACY PRIVATEER
Kodiak31415 An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:49:00 - [10] Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter Getting shot with black screen is petitionable. Petitions are annoying, but at least the loss is compensated. I dont know how many black screen killmails privs get, but its sad they spam their killboard with these mails. The ship gets reimbursed, so why post the mail? IIRC aren't you invincible or at least unlockable untill about 20 seconds after undock? Unless theres lag or your have a slow computer you should load up long before this. Also this time is the same as the 'redock' timer meaning that so long as your dont activate a module or attempt to move your can instantly redock (attmpting to redock will cancel this timer)...but then again I may just be full of it. _______________________________ Idea stolen from DS: Pleese exucse any seplling erroos in this psot

Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.04.07 02:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Kodiak31415 Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter Getting shot with black screen is petitionable. Petitions are annoying, but at least the loss is compensated. I dont know how many black screen killmails privs get, but its sad they spam their killboard with these mails. The ship gets reimbursed, so why post the mail? IIRC aren't you invincible or at least unlockable untill about 20 seconds after undock? Unless theres lag or your have a slow computer you should load up long before this. Also this time is the same as the 'redock' timer meaning that so long as your dont activate a module or attempt to move your can instantly redock (attmpting to redock will cancel this timer)...but then again I may just be full of it. Yes, thers lag in Jita In laggy systems you may undock, have a black screen for some time and wake up in a new clone if camped by privs. Happens from time to time. Happens a lot in Jita i was told
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.07 03:14:00 - [12] Edited by: Gladia Horusthu on 07/04/2007 03:10:48 Wasn't it the intended function of wardeccing to make Empire not-so-safe for people? There are several npc corps accepting applications for those who wish to dodge wardecs. Of course, the trade off for safety is all of the benefits of your corporation. But if you want the bennies, sometimes you have to fight for them. New Eden is a dark, gritty environment with corporations constantly at war and only a tenuous peace between the Empires. It is dangerous, and CONCORD is fraying at the seams (and has been since the Yulai Convention was signed). Only the worst of crimes are responded to by CONCORD. They use the wardec mechanism to minimize their workload and pay for some of those spiffy vessels they fly. Privateers actually LOWERS the workload for CONCORD, provides them with a heapload of ISK, and I'm sure is by now CONCORD is their biggest supporter. I wouldn't be surprised if the heads of the corporations in Privateers were invited to every event on the CONCORD social calendar. Not every private organization is willing to drop billions into their laps on a regular basis.
Barbarellas Daughter Lonely Barbarella	Posted - 2007.04.07 03:18:00 - [13] Originally by: Gladia Horusthu New Eden is a dark, gritty environment with corporations constantly at war and only a tenuous peace between the Empires. It is dangerous, and CONCORD is fraying at the seams (and has been since the Yulai Convention was signed). Only the worst of crimes are responded to by CONCORD. They use the wardec mechanism to minimize their workload and pay for some of those spiffy vessels they fly. I like this! Originally by: Gladia Horusthu I wouldn't be surprised if the heads of the corporations in Privateers were invited to every event on the CONCORD social calendar
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.07 03:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Lucky Lynn OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining. I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose. Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire." And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB). But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance. NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA. Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers. In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity. OMG you are sooo old school and so tough. You're like the coolest guys on the internets! A tough guy for the ages!
Lucky Lynn	Posted - 2007.04.07 03:25:00 - [15] Originally by: GimmeeThat Originally by: Lucky Lynn OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining. I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose. Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire." And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB). But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance. NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA. Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers. In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity. OMG you are sooo old school and so tough. You're like the coolest guys on the internets! A tough guy for the ages! Cry baby.
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.07 04:41:00 - [16] Ya know, it occurs to me that Privs have **ed off pretty much everyone, and if all the people theyve tried to gank banded together to exterminate privs the problem would take care of itself. An "anti-priv" coalition, if you will. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by:** Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Tachuro Otapaku	Posted - 2007.04.07 04:57:00 - [17] I can't say I really enjoy being a target two weeks after starting the game.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.04.07 04:58:00 - [18] World of Warcraft: Its not a game, its a world. Seriously though... stop your *****ing please. Its not hard to stay alive with no dictors/bubbles in empire and a friendly station or 8 every jump. Privateers are helping to populate low sec and 0.0, they're living the dream. Hail to ye, brave privateers
Spaceman Jack	Posted - 2007.04.07 05:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter Adapt and you will be fine. Either get some serious firepower in empire or join a NPC corp. Or make a carebear alt corp, whatever. Adapting is easy, but thats not the problem. This whole Privateer thing is just a f'ing time sink IMHO. Now I gotta waste time with logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing... Ohh WOOOOOOW, that is a freakintg BLAST MAN. Holy crap how exciting! Hey guys.. I got this game for you to check out... oh but wait... you gotta play...log off.. get your alt.. move things.. log off.. get your alt... play... WHY THE F should I need to make a bunch of alts to play this game. But I guess revenues from multiple accounts are up for CCP, so why should they give a sh*t. I for one dont have more than one account, cant see the point in paying to do the above more than once.
WillisCorto	Posted - 2007.04.07 05:30:00 - [20] I know this has been beaten to death but I have to say that I find the problem not with the Privateers as such but the whole wardec thing that makes it so easy for them to do what they do. To my mind a declaration of war should be huge and not just a 'pay the fine and have at them' thing. We all know CCP will never change the rules. How many of us have alts on a second account just to haul stuff round empire? Money flows into CCP so they stay silent on the matter and allow it to happen under the guise of game mechanics. Concord has turned into UN peacekeepers, they may not kill you but they will sit there and watch others do it. If I had the skill and time it would be good to setup an alternative concord. We become the police. This Police alliance would require proof your wardec was legitimate. If not proved then you either drop the wardec or face the consequences. Maybe funded by some of those Uber players out there with ISK to burnàà. The basic premise now seems to be - stay in a NPC Corp or be prepared to go to war.

RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.07 05:38:00 - [21] Someone hold me. I'm scared.
Devious Syn	Posted - 2007.04.07 05:51:00 - [22] Edited by: Devious Syn on 07/04/2007 05:48:47 I think its all part of CCP's grand scam. This way EVERYONE has to buy another account to move stuff around in empire. Come on, how do ya think they gonna pay all these new People they are hiring?
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.04.07 06:11:00 - [23] Originally by: Spaceman Jack Adapting is easy, but thats not the problem. This whole Privateer thing is just a f'ing time sink IMHO. Now I gotta waste time with logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing... Ohh WOOOOOOW, that is a freakintg BLAST MAN. Holy crap how exciting! Hey guys.. I got this game for you to check out... oh but wait... you gotta play...log off.. get your alt.. move things.. log off.. get your alt... play... WHY THE F should I need to make a bunch of alts to play this game. But I guess revenues from multiple accounts are up for CCP, so why should they give a sh*t. I for one dont have more than one account, cant see the point in paying to do the above more than once. Or you could... fight back maybe?
Hexman Cryo Crypt inc. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 06:22:00 - [24] Bleh...only think that might be nice is increasing the time between you aggressing anybody and being able to dock. That way fighting privateers might become more interesting. Right now its just boring....and yeah, everybody can adapt, but that's another boring instead of interesting process. -= Recruitment post =-
Spaceman Jack	Posted - 2007.04.07 06:29:00 - [25] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Or you could... fight back maybe? Well, I never said that I did not. I (my main) have quite often made good target practice of the Privateers, we have had some good battles. However... For ONE, that is not ALL i want to do ALL of the time when I am on EVE. And that is what this system turns it into. I WOULD, at times like to be able to enjoy the other aspects of the game wihout interferrence from this overkill war spam. I thought this is what we had 0.0 and other professions for. EVE boasts itself on diversity and how you are never locked to any one profession or play style.. well guess what? Now the style has been locked. By the Privateers OWN claim, their experiment has made empire JUST like 0.0, so where is the diversity in that? Its all the same now. TWO, fighting back gets me nowhere. What, just to get a few kills... woop dee dooooo! Id rather be spending that effort with my mates in 0.0 for some actual cause and effect. The Privateers have brilliantly formed themselved and they are an idea. They are arbitrary and are willing to sacrifice funds for their.. efforts. Good for them, but far me it is not an interesting enemy, just a hassle to deal with. Its like a shooting gallery with no real feel to it and feels unimmersive. But that is just me.
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.04.07 06:29:00 - [26] Quote: Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire." Quoted for absolute truth.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.07 06:50:00 - [27] Originally by: J Valkor Privateer. PRIVATEER LEGALIZED PIRACY PRIVATEER Legalized piracy with consequences! The target nation navy would hang the privateers if chaugt. Currently the empire wars are sidestepping the conseguneces. 0.0/low sec war: risk the ship, risk territory, risk structures (POS) low sec piracy: risk the ship, lose security standing (there is no 0.0 piracy, it is a form of war) high sec piracy masked as war: risk the ship ..... So while high sec piracy must be feasible, it must have an added penality/risk as all form of group warfare in EVE. I suggest to add a system to allow true privateer ins game: empire sponsored high sec pirates sponsored by a faction, to attack ships loyals to the enemy faction. The drawbacks would be: standing loss with the oppposite empire (and gains with the sponsor) based on ship destroyed, empire (non CONCORD) navy will came to the rescue of the target, if it is attacked in a friendly empire territory, with % change of coming, strenght and speed of reaction dependant on security status of the system. Same things for the sentry guns, with the added modifier that sentry guns of stations loyals to the empire sponsoring the privateers don't fire.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.07 06:55:00 - [28] If the solution to the problem is to metagame, then it's no solution at all. Also, corps are supposed to potentially separate entities and not forced to join an alliance.. which.. pretty much.. with 700+ Privateer members capable at shoots at any 10 member corp.. is it really fair? Right? Stupid?... corps are forced to do to do that "fight back" thing all you guys RAVE at being the answer... How bout this... SUFFER THE FACT THAT WHAT THE PRIVATEERS ARE DOING IS ULTRA LAME WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. We're playing a world.. not a game... ;-) I like that Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Jaffse HuntST Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.07 07:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Raskil I cant even run to empire to pickup a new ship or POS supplies without a huge escort. It is ruining the fun aspect of the game now that empire is no longer empire. Now everywhere is 0.0 except that in empire, you cannnot hunt down your enemies becuase they just hide in stations, exploit lag and game mechanics such as Jita ship undocking. Signed. I think CCP should ban every war except when KIA alliance declares, cause they are fighting big boys and not just some random small corp. Also, I think they should make it so if you are Amarr, you should only be able to fly amarr ships, I mean, I must know how to setup my ship when I see gallente in local, I must be prepared for drones ffs not for gallente who flys caldari damnit!! Also, I would like to have a POS in empire, but I would like CCP to make it safe. I mean, I am paying for the game, and now they declared me a war ffs!! Wake up, CCP!! On a more serious note: get a grip.
Karasuma Akane Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.07 07:39:00 - [30] Originally by: Lucky Lynn I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose. Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire." And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB). If this was what the purpose of the Privateers continued to be - targeting large 0.0 corporation/alliance operations in Empire space - then that would be wonderful. But my understanding is that they have no plan or purpose anymore, aside from "pew-pewing as many targets as possible" (like EVE was some first-person-shooter game). Hence, they've garnered a reputation (correct or not) for wardecing as many small highsec industrialist/mining/missioning/trading corporations as they can afford, in order to collect easy kills against players who are generally uninterested in or less inclined to engage in PVP combat. Perhaps if the Privateers reoriented themselves back toward their apparent beginnings, and set themselves up as a scourge against Empire entry from the major 0.0 corporations and alliances, they wouldn't have such a widespread image as griefer-gankers of carebears? (And they'd be going up against others who are ready and willing to battle, as evidenced by their choice to join a nullsec-based corp.) ----- The possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.



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