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SFShootme The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:09:00 - [151] Originally by: Sorted Originally by: R3dSh1ft I think to make it less exploitable, an alliance war should continue on for a corp that leaves it for a period of a week, not a day. /SINGED SINGED AND SIGNED AGAIN!!!!!! woot! , can we get some support for this pls guys.. RALLY ROUND... You have no idea how many carebare corps drop their allaince everytime we War Dec them...Remember people - it wasnt even us who suggested it! /signed!!! ---- Tho shall give Life, for Life.
Fujin Ryoushi	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:31:00 - [152] So.. can PA be 'rented' to wardec someone? and most importantly, how much would it cost?
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:16:00 - [153] Originally by: Fujin Ryoushi So.. can PA be 'rented' to wardec someone? and most importantly, how much would it cost? Yes, very much so. Some allainces have paid us to keep their enemies perma deced. some carebares have paid us to dec empire based pvp corps who keep harashing them (irony? incidently in once such instance I delt with the PVP corp surrenderd to the carebear corp provided he would get us to retract, which we did as it was his ISK after all). Price is the war dec cost for concord (we are a non-profit Alliance) Prices start @ 50M/Week and are scaleable depending on the number of active wars the target already has. Contact me for a price check Sorted Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:30:00 - [154] People whine about Privateers because most 0.0 alliances are carebears. Nobody likes risk, if thats carebear then %90 of Eve players are carebear, because we all like to avoid risk. I think Privateers are providing a valuable service for Eve. This service is twofold. 1) Helping the devs understand what 0.0 feels like for the average player by bringing 0.0 into Empire. 2) Highlighting the gross inadequacies of the wardec system. You say Eve is about choice, but is it really? No its not, Eve has NO place for non-pvp players. What Privateers is doing is making people understand that even PVP-oriented players need a place they can chill out a relax, mine, run some missions, make some money, trade and generally carebear it up and veg out. Many ppl find Eve unplayable without 2 accts. 1 acct for pvp, 1 acct for carebearing. Its kind of like a /pvp on/off switch. I believe that this conversation is what Ziona intended when creating Privateers. People told her to stop whining. Now its YOUR turn to whine, suckers. This is not a Privateers problem, this is a wardec system problem, this is a "the security system is broken" problem, where people need alts in scouts just to get from point A to point B. How bout not NEEDING hauler alts? How bout having other means of information gathering other than SPY ALTS? How bout being able to see whats in the next system without having to TWO BOX? How bout industry corps being able to do their thing without getting wardecced by griefer corps? How bout having a game where everybody doesn't have to METAGAME around the broken mechanics? I've been a longtime subscriber because I believe that CCP is building something great, and that the final product will be something totally unique and cool, like supporting an artist that's working on his masterpiece. Is this your final vision CCP? Broken mechanics and Metagaming? Eve is an awesome concept, but this game could have been so much more, its a shame we have to settle for a half-arsed shell of itself.
Logi3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:39:00 - [155] I wonder how much the war decs cost? Im pretty sure there not costing 100k a week Back to basics, back to pirating
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:40:00 - [156] Ok do anyoneknows what have been implemented in teh test server about this? Damm I am the type of person that cannot sleep when this type of thing happen... " hey you saw what is new?.. naa I won't tell you" If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Rogain Shortshot Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:08:00 - [157] This is the problems I see with Privateers, 1. They are everwhere... 2. They have war dec'd just about everyone... 3. They are in empire, just empire space... 4. They WILL KILL off the concept of corporations in Eve-online. Really #4 is probably the one I worry about most...Only seen one privateer all weekend. If you have massive Wardec's against all them alliances and corps, do you really think the corps will survive? You dont need to be in the corp to play...the only thing you need a corp for really is for POS. Nothing else is needed, everything can be done as a solo player.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:25:00 - [158] Originally by: Cipher7 People whine about Privateers because most 0.0 alliances are carebears. Nobody likes risk, if thats carebear then %90 of Eve players are carebear, because we all like to avoid risk. I think Privateers are providing a valuable service for Eve. This service is twofold. 1) Helping the devs understand what 0.0 feels like for the average player by bringing 0.0 into Empire. 2) Highlighting the gross inadequacies of the wardec system. You say Eve is about choice, but is it really? No its not, Eve has NO place for non-pvp players. What Privateers is doing is making people understand that even PVP-oriented players need a place they can chill out a relax, mine, run some missions, make some money, trade and generally carebear it up and veg out. Many ppl find Eve unplayable without 2 accts. 1 acct for pvp, 1 acct for carebearing. Its kind of like a /pvp on/off switch. I believe that this conversation is what Ziona intended when creating Privateers. People told her to stop whining. Now its YOUR turn to whine, suckers. This is not a Privateers problem, this is a wardec system problem, this is a "the security system is broken" problem, where people need alts in scouts just to get from point A to point B. How bout not NEEDING hauler alts? How bout having other means of information gathering other than SPY ALTS? How bout being able to see whats in the next system without having to TWO BOX? How bout industry corps being able to do their thing without getting wardecced by griefer corps? How bout having a game where everybody doesn't have to METAGAME around the broken mechanics? I've been a longtime subscriber because I believe that CCP is building something great, and that the final product will be something totally unique and cool, like supporting an artist that's working on his masterpiece. Is this your final vision CCP? Broken mechanics and Metagaming? Eve is an awesome concept, but this game could have been so much more, its a shame we have to settle for a half-arsed shell of itself. Have you ever wondered why you have three toons per account? No they are not for forum whoring, but to be able to play three diffrent styles of play. I turned off the second account, seemed like waste of time, and money to me. You got two other toons to play with anyway. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
EinaruS Rage Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:32:00 - [159] i completely agree, declaring wars in empire should be forbidden, concord should start recruiting everyone and take over the low-sec killing all pirates and would be pvpers on sight, then move into 0.0 and basically raise the sec status in every single system in the game to 1.0. that way this legalized piracy would be at an end because it's just ridiculous that such violence should even exist. - A finger...especially the middle one, is worth more than any amount of isk
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:43:00 - [160] Originally by: EinaruS i completely agree, declaring wars in empire should be forbidden, concord should start recruiting everyone and take over the low-sec killing all pirates and would be pvpers on sight, then move into 0.0 and basically raise the sec status in every single system in the game to 1.0. that way this legalized piracy would be at an end because it's just ridiculous that such violence should even exist. I hope this is a joke...sarcastic...or somthing. If not you dont belong here...oh....Can I have your stuff??? Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.

Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:03:00 - [161] Can anybody confirm that they have nerfed us? If this happens, i sadly think this is gonna nerf eve alot for me. I cant be bothered with 0.0, so many blobs, so little solo pvp, and yet so little danger. If you go to empire while being in a large alliance, its the ultimate carebear situation. Your immortal to anything. I think that privateers is a brilliant idea. I demand a devblog on this. Your screwing us over im afraid.
RevJim	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:17:00 - [162] Originally by: Templer Relleg I cant be bothered with 0.0, so many blobs, so little solo pvp, and yet so little danger. That made me spit my coffee! ROFL a Privateer talking about 1v1, the irony. (Rev grabs some kitchen roll to clean keyboard and screen dammit) If you want solo pvp then Eve is not the place for you. I have only ever had one true solo pvp fight, Taranis vs. Taranis in 2 years of eve, many wars and lots of time in 0.0 have taught me that there is no such thing as 1v1 in Eve. Some days you are the blob, some days you are the blobee both boring to me, hence I am looking into other ways to gain enjoyment from this game rather than watch my ships explode. Rev
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:21:00 - [163] Originally by: RevJim Originally by: Templer Relleg I cant be bothered with 0.0, so many blobs, so little solo pvp, and yet so little danger. That made me spit my coffee! ROFL a Privateer talking about 1v1, the irony. (Rev grabs some kitchen roll to clean keyboard and screen dammit) If you want solo pvp then Eve is not the place for you. I have only ever had one true solo pvp fight, Taranis vs. Taranis in 2 years of eve, many wars and lots of time in 0.0 have taught me that there is no such thing as 1v1 in Eve. Some days you are the blob, some days you are the blobee both boring to me, hence I am looking into other ways to gain enjoyment from this game rather than watch my ships explode. Rev Thats because you havent been in privateers. Plenty solo pvp(Some would call it gank, but meh). Sure, theres alot of, what some would call blobs. But i can actually fly around solo, and shoot at things. I might not get any mails whatsoever, but i get a damn rush from it! I actually went to 0.0 yesterday alone. Worst experience to date. Sure, good rush from running warp bubbles and getting hunted by 100's of vagabonds(Theres damn many of them in 0.0 i tell you!). But its very blobby, laggy, not rewarding, etc. I earned more isk in privateers then i ever did pvp'ing in 0.0. And i pvp'ed quite alot.
Surreptitious Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:40:00 - [164] Originally by: Templer Relleg Can anybody confirm that they have nerfed us? If this happens, i sadly think this is gonna nerf eve alot for me. I cant be bothered with 0.0, so many blobs, so little solo pvp, and yet so little danger. If you go to empire while being in a large alliance, its the ultimate carebear situation. Your immortal to anything. I think that privateers is a brilliant idea. I demand a devblog on this. Your screwing us over im afraid. I can't seem to find any information anywhere as well. If it is a stealthnerf then shame on CCP. If its not then shame on the ISD guy who posts random non-sensical information. Unfortunately on the test server we arent yet an Alliance so no one can go on to test things. Theres nothing in the game dev forum, the idea forum or testing forum. Like you I feel the same as do many in our alliance. For me personally this is the end of the EVE line. The day our alliance or chosen gameplay dies so do my toons. It would be sad to leave a game I've been playing for almost 4 years because the DEV's catered to the whiney carebears and stabbed a big group of PVP'rs in the back. Unfortunately that appears to be the path we are heading down. If anyone from CCP reads this, can't you apprecaite how we have created a new avenue of gameplay for a huge segment of the population? Doesnt it strike you as being wrong to nerf a group who contributes to the game and story line in such a dramamtic fashion as we do. Instead your taking the side of a few whiney people who contribute nothing to your game other than a few loud forum threads? I hope all this is just a nasty miscommunication because I just cant believe CCP would go against what they have stated all these years and make EVE "safe". Syrup
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:43:00 - [165] Maybe there is a middle ground here, the privateers want non consensual pvp but only on their terms. That's what everybody wants. Apparently they lack the cohesion? nerve? courage? to go to 0.0 Or maybe they like to be close to their industrial alts and the ease of fitting new ships without passing blob invested choke point systems. For empire corps or alliances fighting the privateers is like suppressing a guerrilla faction, you just can't win in such a war. This makes it easy for privateers do to their thing. So suppose we make the wardec pricing based on security rating and base it around constellations or factions. So NO wardec in 1.0, very expensive wardec in 0.9 , and cheap wardec in 0.4-0.1 Alternatively you could make the pricing standing dependent, so if you war in amarr space, your gallente standing is reduced so you can't wardec there. The standing of each member in the wardeccing corp is adjusted after the voting is passed.
HED GP	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:52:00 - [166] Originally by: EinaruS i completely agree, declaring wars in empire should be forbidden, concord should start recruiting everyone and take over the low-sec killing all pirates and would be pvpers on sight, then move into 0.0 and basically raise the sec status in every single system in the game to 1.0. that way this legalized piracy would be at an end because it's just ridiculous that such violence should even exist. Your kidding me right ? So you want empire to be safe ground for all the new comers and 0.0 alliance so they can start putting theyr stuff on sell order and make empire a safe zone again... boring ... It was bad enough years back when ccp attacked piracy hard makeing sentrys from 60km to 160km..multiplating sentry's making it really hard nearly imposible to do any piracy at all still there are ppl left in that buisness and i soley gratulate them in every way keeping the good hard work of killing these cursed carebears a bit makeing atleast .4 - .1 a better place and more dangerous to live in. But why the hell does empire have to be a bloody safe zone ?? Why wont CCP nerf 0.0 a little i mean comon i see that BOB and D2 take couple hundreds of ships with theyr titan you dont get much choice now if you wana enter 0.0 now days its either join either side and fight cause liveing peacefully in 0.0 is a deathwish really. So ofc ppl wana stay in a good little safe bubble in empire cause privateers are doomed no more wars so they can life in theyr safe zones and be safe and all cuddly .. Well ccp thanks a bunch for makeing eve a dull place again... I just wonder what will Privateers do if they actully nerd this wardec now ? And where will they go will they stay intact and join other alliances in 0.0 Only thing i can tell you beeing in Privateers for 2months has made me love them alot more than i could think off theyr a great bunch its perfect alliacne to learn pvp. These guys learn to pvp solo than in small gangs most of these 0.0 lads dont know even how to fit theyr ships or to use them correctly. Its a bloody shame if you ask me ccp allways think about theyr carebears not the whole comunity i mean how many alts are in privateers from bob, d2, -a- and so on alot more than you think. And those guys love shooting theyr own allies or just other guys i mean i even know couple of em and they love it. Anyways perhaps im just babbling but i think if this goes out ill prolly quit eve again for good cant be arsed in only fighting these cursed blob wars of doom in 0.0 beeing slaughterd by a bloody titan in couple of sec's i would rather quit than do that again Thanks CCP you ruined the game again... I'll just play with the fairy's in wow or something more fun than this cursed game.
groove Gallente Thundercats	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:09:00 - [167] ohh yeah what Syrup said is true it seems you allways attack the pvpers in this game wasent this game made to let you explore and to fight and enjoy the game ? Most guys that are in Privateers have been playing since the beging of eve and theyr hundreds of players that play with us that now finally enjoy eve more than before and again you are gonna take that away from them and those that actully like fighting privateers and perhaps havent seen this thread im not sure they will agree with you on this BS your making us read ... But sure think about the little carebears as you allways do i got about 7 accounts in eve atm i will quit i cant be arsed playing or even paying for a game that kills all the fun and pvping in this game forces us to enter 0.0 so we can be blobbed warp bubbled and blown to ****tery in 0,0. You should look at the bigger picture i have talked to some guys and many claim they will quit eve for good and we aint taklking 10 or so many have lots of accounts and alt all over you should really think about this before acting on this issue ... nerf the wars to 50-60 not completly but hey your the nerf bosses of doom so yeah ruin the game and make way for carebears ... its your thing anyways. try this than ,..... when you advertise eve... Wellcome To EvE online the game of carebears step right up its a promise you can hug your roids till the day you die ! its a promise CCP, GM's ISD will take care of you as you where theyr own little baby's not even NPC's will be able to touch you in 1.0 - 0.5 its a Gurantee ! Step right up join THE SAFEST GAME AROUND !! Cheer CCP you can use this as an advertise im sure it will be a good one... and ohh yeah i know you will delete this post but it was worth it ...
Mortok Tristan	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:14:00 - [168] Instead of spreading FUD all around why dont we just wait for an official CCP response.
groove Gallente Thundercats	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:21:00 - [169] well if we wont share our ideas and how stupit this all sounds they will do something really nasty to the pvp system in eve they have allways done that ... I have playd this game since beta they allways follow the carebears allways have prolly allways will.. its a fact
Corporate Stooge	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:33:00 - [170] Originally by: Spaceman Jack Originally by: Azerrad InExile Or you could... fight back maybe? Well, I never said that I did not. I (my main) have quite often made good target practice of the Privateers, we have had some good battles. However... For ONE, that is not ALL i want to do ALL of the time when I am on EVE. And that is what this system turns it into. I WOULD, at times like to be able to enjoy the other aspects of the game wihout interferrence from this overkill war spam. I thought this is what we had 0.0 and other professions for. EVE boasts itself on diversity and how you are never locked to any one profession or play style.. well guess what? Now the style has been locked. By the Privateers OWN claim, their experiment has made empire JUST like 0.0, so where is the diversity in that? Its all the same now. TWO, fighting back gets me nowhere. What, just to get a few kills... woop dee dooooo! Id rather be spending that effort with my mates in 0.0 for some actual cause and effect. The Privateers have brilliantly formed themselved and they are an idea. They are arbitrary and are willing to sacrifice funds for their.. efforts. Good for them, but far me it is not an interesting enemy, just a hassle to deal with. Its like a shooting gallery with no real feel to it and feels unimmersive. But that is just me. QFT

Tom Gunn Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:36:00 - [171] Gotta love privateers, Keep taking names guys.
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:36:00 - [172] Originally by: Cindare Don't you folks see the valuable service that PA provides? These guys were kind enough to expedite my podjump from Jita back to 0.0 in record time! And they pay for the priviledge; I wouldn't have it any other way. Grats on the shuttle killmail, by the way. <3 PA LOLOLOLOL--- OMG I thought I was he only one who used them for that!!!! Whenevr I am coming back from 0.0 to Jita, I try to find a PA and let them pod me so I dont need to use my jumclone.. wait 24hrs, or jump 20+ gates. Unfortunatley, since you dont find a lot of PA in 0.0, I already have to be close to empire to see them :( But that is the ONLY service they provide.. and it does not outweigh the annoyance anymore. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Ayumu Kosuga	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:18:00 - [173] Originally by: EinaruS i completely agree, declaring wars in empire should be forbidden, concord should start recruiting everyone and take over the low-sec killing all pirates and would be pvpers on sight, then move into 0.0 and basically raise the sec status in every single system in the game to 1.0. that way this legalized piracy would be at an end because it's just ridiculous that such violence should even exist. hihi .. you forgot the punch-line i'm quite sure he's joking, otherwise i'd have to abuse him on the E-R board /me watches einarus getting paranoid
Fubarski Caldari Centauri Project	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:40:00 - [174] Originally by: Gladia Horusthu Sanctions are a joke, I don't think there's ever been an instance where this has proven to have been the deciding factor in rl politics. Specifics are, of course, against the forum rules, but economic options such as sanctions simply do not work in rl. Quite a few instances actually. You should check history better. Enforced sanctions/Embargos have a dramatic effect. Japan, 1941, Oil Embargo on them did a pretty good job. Last year, South Korea threatened to shut down North Koreas main port area (that the south gave them as a "carrot") over some rough posturing. That, and stating that the North Koreans might not get their "free food for behaving" ration... brought them back to the 6 party talks. Before, between, and after, sanctions work, if the threat of enforcement of those sanctions is real enough. Fubar
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:47:00 - [175] To All Privateers: Very few people (that may or may not have been joking) are pusing a solution to the extreme. As in, taking all war decs away in empire etc. Most people want a compromise so... heck... crazy idea... everyone can have fun 90% of Justice is Retribution...so CONCORD is very much like "police" in that respect. I live in 0.0 and I haven't had this much fun in the game. Empire Wars are frustrating. "EVE" Devs have stated that "WARS HAVE GOALS" and goals in empire are sketchy at best. There's no space to take and no outpost/POS to take/destroy. It basically just killing ships, which if you aren't as good at/skilled as the guy trying to kill you, you'll prob end up sitting in a station and waiting it out or quiting the game. YAY Fun for all! So to most Pirvateers talking on this thread quite going to extremes when answering back to people. There's like 2 guys asking for 2 war in empire and like 30 asking for a compromise for everyone. Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Infinity MKII	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:51:00 - [176] Originally by: Lucky Lynn OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining. I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose. Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire." And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB). But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance. NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA. Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers. In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity. Thanks m8. Im still hanging around lurking occasionally. I think it was this thread Linkage and from another by Eilie who wrote "Infinity Ziona, you always make such funny suggestions... If you want to annoy someone in empire who killed you in 0.0, than just declare war!". So really Privateers alliance is just doing what was suggested, people should be more careful what they wish for or suggest maybe cause it may just come true
Jimer Lins Gallente Sanctuary	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:15:00 - [177] Originally by: Ayumu Kosuga Originally by: Spaceman Jack Yes, EVE is non-consentual PVP, but PVP is NOT just combat and blowing up ships. that'S the reason why privateers have every right to their wardec's. traders/producer force their prices on combatants. combatants force bullets and missiles on the traders/producers. it's a circle. Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:23:00 - [178] Originally by: Jimer Lins Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market. Yeah, I agree, it sickens me when I see that I have sold to a BoB cheater or one of their pets.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:27:00 - [179] Originally by: Banana Torres Originally by: Jimer Lins Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market. Yeah, I agree, it sickens me when I see that I have sold to a BoB cheater or one of their pets. IBTS (in before the snip)
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:28:00 - [180] Originally by: Jimer Lins Originally by: Ayumu Kosuga Originally by: Spaceman Jack Yes, EVE is non-consentual PVP, but PVP is NOT just combat and blowing up ships. that'S the reason why privateers have every right to their wardec's. traders/producer force their prices on combatants. combatants force bullets and missiles on the traders/producers. it's a circle. Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market. Wow ye, thats a really good idea. Would make it lots more interresting. You will see that the big coallition and their friends would stop the sale to bob, and there will grow a market. PLEASE!!!



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