Originally by: Raskil

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I cant even run to empire to pickup a new ship or POS supplies without a huge escort. It is ruining the fun aspect of the game now that empire is no longer empire. Now everywhere is 0.0 except that in empire, you cannnot hunt down your enemies becuase they just hide in stations, exploit lag and game mechanics such as Jita ship undocking.

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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter

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Getting shot with black screen is petitionable. Petitions are annoying, but at least the loss is compensated.

I dont know how many black screen killmails privs get, but its sad they spam their killboard with these mails. The ship gets reimbursed, so why post the mail?

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Originally by: Kodiak31415

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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter

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Getting shot with black screen is petitionable. Petitions are annoying, but at least the loss is compensated.

I dont know how many black screen killmails privs get, but its sad they spam their killboard with these mails. The ship gets reimbursed, so why post the mail?

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IIRC aren't you invincible or at least unlockable untill about 20 seconds after undock? Unless theres lag or your have a slow computer you should load up long before this. Also this time is the same as the 'redock' timer meaning that so long as your dont activate a module or attempt to move your can instantly redock (attmpting to redock will cancel this timer)...but then again I may just be full of it.

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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu

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New Eden is a dark, gritty environment with corporations constantly at war and only a tenuous peace between the Empires. It is dangerous, and CONCORD is fraying at the seams (and has been since the Yulai Convention was signed). Only the worst of crimes are responded to by CONCORD. They use the wardec mechanism to minimize their workload and pay for some of those spiffy vessels they fly.

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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu

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I wouldn't be surprised if the heads of the corporations in Privateers were invited to every event on the CONCORD social calendar

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Originally by: Lucky Lynn

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OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining.

I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose.

Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire."

And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB).

But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance.

NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA.

Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers.

In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity.

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Originally by: GimmeeThat

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Originally by: Lucky Lynn

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OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining.

I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose.

Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire."

And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB).

But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance.

NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA.

Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers.

In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity.

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OMG you are sooo old school and so tough. You're like the coolest guys on the internets! A tough guy for the ages!

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Originally by: Wrangler

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Well, at least we have forum PvP..

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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter

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Adapt and you will be fine. Either get some serious firepower in empire or join a NPC corp. Or make a carebear alt corp, whatever.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Adapting is easy, but thats not the problem.
This whole Privateer thing is just a f'ing time sink IMHO.

Now I gotta waste time with logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...logging off.. getting my alt.. moving.. logging off.. getting my alt... playing...

Ohh WOOOOOOW, that is a freakintg BLAST MAN. Holy crap how exciting!
Hey guys.. I got this game for you to check out... oh but wait...
you gotta play...log off.. get your alt.. move things.. log off.. get your alt... play...

WHY THE F should I need to make a bunch of alts to play this game. But I guess revenues from multiple accounts are up for CCP, so why should they give a sh*t.

I for one dont have more than one account, cant see the point in paying to do the above more than once.

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Originally by: Azerrad InExile

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Or you could... fight back maybe?

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Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire."

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Originally by: J Valkor

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Privateer.

PRIVATEER

LEGALIZED PIRACY

PRIVATEER

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Originally by: Raskil

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I cant even run to empire to pickup a new ship or POS supplies without a huge escort. It is ruining the fun aspect of the game now that empire is no longer empire. Now everywhere is 0.0 except that in empire, you cannnot hunt down your enemies becuase they just hide in stations, exploit lag and game mechanics such as Jita ship undocking.

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Originally by: Lucky Lynn

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I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose. Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire." And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB).

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Originally by: Karasuma Akane

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in order to collect easy kills against players who are generally uninterested in or less inclined to engage in PVP combat..)

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Originally by: David Hackworth

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ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.

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Originally by: Karasuma Akane

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If this was what the purpose of the Privateers continued to be - targeting large 0.0 corporation/alliance operations in Empire space - then that would be wonderful. But my understanding is that they have no plan or purpose anymore, aside from "pew-pewing as many targets as possible" (like EVE was some first-person-shooter game). Hence, they've garnered a reputation (correct or not) for wardecing as many small highsec industrialist/mining/missioning/trading corporations as they can afford, in order to collect easy kills against players who are generally uninterested in or less inclined to engage in PVP combat.

Perhaps if the Privateers reoriented themselves back toward their apparent beginnings, and set themselves up as a scourge against Empire entry from the major 0.0 corporations and alliances, they wouldn't have such a widespread image as griefer-gankers of carebears? (And they'd be going up against others who are ready and willing to battle, as evidenced by their choice to join a nullsec-based corp.)

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Originally by: Raskil

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Concord is no longer performing its intended function.

This is due mainly to Privateers war efforts, in effect making legal pirates in high security space.

CONCORD needs to step up and do something about this since it is CONCORD that is supposed to be protecting the space lanes.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Note, these wars may have changed in the time it took me to write this.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Edited by: Ki An on 07/04/2007 08:43:42

Originally by: Karasuma Akane

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If this was what the purpose of the Privateers continued to be - targeting large 0.0 corporation/alliance operations in Empire space - then that would be wonderful. But my understanding is that they have no plan or purpose anymore, aside from "pew-pewing as many targets as possible" (like EVE was some first-person-shooter game). Hence, they've garnered a reputation (correct or not) for wardecing as many small highsec industrialist/mining/missioning/trading corporations as they can afford, in order to collect easy kills against players who are generally uninterested in or less inclined to engage in PVP combat.

Perhaps if the Privateers reoriented themselves back toward their apparent beginnings, and set themselves up as a scourge against Empire entry from the major 0.0 corporations and alliances, they wouldn't have such a widespread image as griefer-gankers of carebears? (And they'd be going up against others who are ready and willing to battle, as evidenced by their choice to join a nullsec-based corp.)

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Shortened list of corps/alliances

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Originally by: Hango

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Please refrain from posting if you have something to contribute. Thank you. -Hango

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Originally by: Reincarnator

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Some of those are hardly 0.0 alliances, combined planetary union for example.

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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will explain when i have the time i promise

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Originally by: RevJim

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Privateers.
High-sec griefer alliance who target non-pvp players. Yes many of the alliances they war-dec are pvp, but the members who venture into Empire are not looking for pvp, they are trying to avoid pvp and are mission running, trading, hauling stuff about hence they die easily to the griefer privateers.
I have had to leave my corp, and alliance to avoid being killed repeatedly. The final straw was when they managed to scram my pod (lag ftl) and ransomed me. So within 24hrs I will return to a noob corp and be safe from the privateer log-on traps and black screen lag-death, and be able to do what I wish.
The big downside is that I will lose contact with my friends in my corp and alliance, this is a game buster for me. One of the reasons I play this game is the social side of things, being able to make new friends, even meet up and get roaring drunk sometimes. So not only have the privateers ruined a very good game, they have also damaged an area that infringes on my "real life". For this I will always assist any person I meet in-game by scouting, scanning and even material help where needed when they come into contact with these game busting griefers.
I seem to remember a thread about how the privateers are fighting for the little guy... what a joke, well it is April.

The only solution I can see is to use escalating war-dec costs, doubling with each dec, 1-2-4-8-16-32-64-128-256 etc.
This would limit the number of war decs, but it would not solve the problem of players wanting to spoil the game for others.

RevJim

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Originally by: RevJim

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Privateers.
High-sec griefer alliance who target non-pvp players. Yes many of the alliances they war-dec are pvp, but the members who venture into Empire are not looking for pvp, they are trying to avoid pvp and are mission running, trading, hauling stuff about hence they die easily to the griefer privateers.
I have had to leave my corp, and alliance to avoid being killed repeatedly. The final straw was when they managed to scram my pod (lag ftl) and ransomed me. So within 24hrs I will return to a noob corp and be safe from the privateer log-on traps and black screen lag-death, and be able to do what I wish.

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RevJim

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Originally by: Shiguni Jhi

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Word, Rev. I had to laugh at that one claim that the PA targets 0.0 corps/alliances. BFD. I've never seen a PA enter 0.0., they prey at the edges looking for singles to come through the gates into highsec. Cowards. Pathetic. If these "pirates" were actually interested in preying on rich alliances and getting loot, I could understand it. But when I'm in a shuttle and I get not only shot up at a gate but pod-killed, well, BRAVO brave pirates. Hope you enjoyed that one.

And for those idiots who think that Privateers are some romantic takeoff of the 1600s carribean adventures, the idea was that a nation would grant the pirate immunity from pirating laws so that he was acting on behalf of the nation during a time of war. If that were the case, PA members "assisting" another alliance as part of a war, again, that would be understandable and supportable.

This? This is just anarchists and griefers. BS excuse to get away with easy kills. Cowards.

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Originally by: RevJim

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Privateers.
High-sec griefer alliance who target non-pvp players. Yes many of the alliances they war-dec are pvp, but the members who venture into Empire are not looking for pvp, they are trying to avoid pvp and are mission running, trading, hauling stuff about hence they die easily to the griefer privateers.

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The big downside is that I will lose contact with my friends in my corp and alliance, this is a game buster for me. One of the reasons I play this game is the social side of things, being able to make new friends, even meet up and get roaring drunk sometimes. So not only have the privateers ruined a very good game, they have also damaged an area that infringes on my "real life". For this I will always assist any person I meet in-game by scouting, scanning and even material help where needed when they come into contact with these game busting griefers.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Uhm... lol?

You know, it's not really the Privateers that is your problem, but rather the fact that you expect to be safe in High-Sec. Your post is just another of the "OMG they killed me, they must be griefers" variety, and is really not needed. If you have a grudge with the Privateers, or are angry they killed you, try to take it out in game, preferably by shooting someone.

/Ki

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Originally by: Brisi

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Awwww, someone can't run risk free lvl 4's anymore, I feel so sad for you.

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Originally by: RevJim

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I do not expect to be safe in high-sec. I have no argument with the privateers who gank me, they use some good tactics (and some questionable ones) and fly mainly high-end T2 fitted pvp ships (Command ships are very popular) but I do not return fire, ever! there is no point, the ships I fly cannot even scratch a privateer command ship.

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Originally by: RevJim

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I do not play this game to pvp constantly.

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Originally by: RevJim

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My only real regret is that self-destruct takes too long, I hate adding to the killmail epeen of the privateers.

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Originally by: RevJim

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In my opinion the people that enjoy killing other players who cannot fight back (or in my case refuse to fight back) is rather low, evolutionally challenged is probably the politically correct term.

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Originally by: RevJim

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Re-read my post, the game buster is the destruction of certain social aspects of the game. Not the destruction of my cheap easily replaced ships.

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Originally by: Ki An

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How would you know that if you never tried? And for the record, I've been at war with the Privateers on two separate occations, and I'v actually never seen them fly a command ship once. Doesn't mean they never do, but I'd say what they fly is pretty varied.

One way to be able to take them down is to group up. A sensible thing to do when at war.

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Originally by: RevJim

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I do not play this game to pvp constantly.

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Originally by: Ki An

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No one's forcing you to. You can do all sorts of stuff, even while at war, and it's quite easy to avoid PvP. If you really REALLY don't want to PvP, ever, join a NPC corp and stay in high sec.

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Originally by: RevJim

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My only real regret is that self-destruct takes too long, I hate adding to the killmail epeen of the privateers.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Best way to avoid giving them another kill is to form a gang and shoot them before they shoot you. Or, to avoid them.

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Originally by: RevJim

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In my opinion the people that enjoy killing other players who cannot fight back (or in my case refuse to fight back) is rather low, evolutionally challenged is probably the politically correct term.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Wait a minute. You are saying people who shoot others are "evolutionally challenged"? Evolution, as in, survival of the fittest? They survive, you don't... See a pattern here? I'd say you are the one who's evolutionally challenged.

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Originally by: RevJim

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Re-read my post, the game buster is the destruction of certain social aspects of the game. Not the destruction of my cheap easily replaced ships.

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Originally by: Ki An

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I didn't know the Privateers where equipped with a mod that blocks your attempts to contact your friends. Is it a Remote Conversation Blocking Emitter I? I wish I had one.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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And tell me another thing.. why the HELL should I have to join a NPC corp to "deal" with the Privateer alliance.

Isn't EVE about PLAYER BASED CORPS!!!!!!!!

I am mean... are you F-cking kidding me that you solution to the wardec abuse is to LEAVE a player based corp and join a NPC corp?

Man.. what a step back in EVE mechnaics.

Do some of you newer players realize how much EFFORT went into actually getting Player corps to where they are now.. and now what... we are supposed to abandon that bacause of this abuse?

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Originally by: Ki An

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No, you don't have to go back to an NPC corp. That's the only way to avoid ever getting decced though. In EvE, PC corps = deccable, NPC corps = not deccable. It's a trade-off.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Originally by: Ki An

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No, you don't have to go back to an NPC corp. That's the only way to avoid ever getting decced though. In EvE, PC corps = deccable, NPC corps = not deccable. It's a trade-off.

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I think you missed my point

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Originally by: Ki An

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No, you don't have to go back to an NPC corp. That's the only way to avoid ever getting decced though. In EvE, PC corps = deccable, NPC corps = not deccable. It's a trade-off.

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I think you missed my point

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 07/04/2007 17:08:21
LOL ok...
Well, I am not going to get into a ****ing cont4est with you here.

But let just keep in mind that instead of one simple solution, here we are trying out this complex series of alt switching events that just wasts people times. Maybe you get to play for 18 hours a day, but I dont. It rather just login once. I though needing or even USING an alt was a CHOICE in EVE. I forgot the part where CCP said it was a requirement.

But maybe youre right, maybe EVE has turned into a puzzle game and I have missed that note.

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The Privateers continue to exist because you allow them to.

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They pay for the wars so its fair game

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Originally by: Aindrias

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Apparently.. with the current war dec system and Privateers... Empire = 0.0 so WTF is the point to diff Security systems? Just make it all 0.0... Fug it.. it's like that now anyways for a minimal cost.

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Originally by: WillisCorto

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The basic premise now seems to be - stay in a NPC Corp or be prepared to go to war.

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Originally by: RevJim

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Anti Priv Whine

RevJim

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Originally by: Ki An

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My advice to you: Get some PvP experience. If you find you hate it, switch to another game.

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: RevJim

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Anti Priv Whine

RevJim

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Hey I remember you, I pwned your BS while you were mission running in Del, You took it like a man and congratualted me for scanning you down as I remmember- dont shame yourself by coming here to whine.

Incidently after pwning missions runners in Del for a few weeks I guess I over stayed my welcome, and on a slow day I was setup and ganked.

Privateers isnt risk free - and neither is being in any player organisation. I would be happy to tell you how to avoid getting pwn'd in missions, how to dodge gate camps etc. It does mean you cant AFK missions/Fly afk etc and it will take more effort than not being at war...but its up to you. You can take the easy route and drop your corp - or get in touch, get some free tips and learn how to avoid unwanted PVP.

sorted

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Yes, EVE is non-consentual PVP, but PVP is NOT just combat and blowing up ships.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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How the hell are you qualified to dole out advice when you dont know my situation?
Im sorry, you must know better than me how many kill/losses I have.

Just becuase I don't like the Privteers abuse of the wardec system does not mean i don't know how to PVP. That kind of assumption shows something about your thought process. Its a common argument and quite lame. There are PLENTY of kick ass PVPers that dont like the Privateer Alliance and this war abuse. So untill you want to give me some hard evidence as to who is good/bad at PVP versus who likes/dislikes this system, my advise to YOU is to think before you speak.

Yes, EVE is non-consentual PVP, but PVP is NOT just combat and blowing up ships.

Eveyone is like.. "well go to WOW now".. LOL, the funny thing is thast with this abuse this game has BECOME like WOW.

Anyone wanna go on a raiding party in Jita?

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Originally by: Sorted

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Hey I remember you, I pwned your BS while you were mission running in Del, You took it like a man and congratualted me for scanning you down as I remmember- dont shame yourself by coming here to whine.

Incidently after pwning missions runners in Del for a few weeks I guess I over stayed my welcome, and on a slow day I was setup and ganked.

Privateers isnt risk free - and neither is being in any player organisation. I would be happy to tell you how to avoid getting pwn'd in missions, how to dodge gate camps etc. It does mean you cant AFK missions/Fly afk etc and it will take more effort than not being at war...but its up to you. You can take the easy route and drop your corp - or get in touch, get some free tips and learn how to avoid unwanted PVP.

sorted

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Originally by: Ki An

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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How the hell are you qualified to dole out advice when you dont know my situation?
Im sorry, you must know better than me how many kill/losses I have.

Just becuase I don't like the Privteers abuse of the wardec system does not mean i don't know how to PVP. That kind of assumption shows something about your thought process. Its a common argument and quite lame. There are PLENTY of kick ass PVPers that dont like the Privateer Alliance and this war abuse. So untill you want to give me some hard evidence as to who is good/bad at PVP versus who likes/dislikes this system, my advise to YOU is to think before you speak.

Yes, EVE is non-consentual PVP, but PVP is NOT just combat and blowing up ships.

Eveyone is like.. "well go to WOW now".. LOL, the funny thing is thast with this abuse this game has BECOME like WOW.

Anyone wanna go on a raiding party in Jita?

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I'm very sorry if I hit a nerve, but you're posting in this thread has sounded very much like the standard "I don't like non-consentual PvP" and "All PvPers are griefers".

Apparently you have a grudge against the Privateers, and you use these kind of threads to spew hatred against them. I'll tell you though, it looks pretty sad to me. Perhaps you should take it out in game instead? And about the "abuse of wardec system", would you care to tell me how deccing most of EvE is abusing? That's like saying mining a belt dry is abusing the mining system, or doing missions a whole day is abusing the mission running system. It just doesn't make sense.

As for "plenty of kick-ass PvPers", all I see complaining about the Privateers are carebears. I have yet to see a PvPer with any notoriety post negatively about the Privateers.

I think you need to get a grip, and realise that this is a game, and that if you don't have fun, for whatever reason, it's time to look for a new game. Privateers are here to stay. Even if they fall apart, someone else will walk in their footsteps. Get used to it.

/Ki

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Originally by: Timebomb

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Ki An, go spam another thread, your posts justify nothing other than your own ego.

I will hold my comment of the privateers as it will probably be snipped, however its a dam shame when they dec real PvPers (4th time for us now i think) and then logoffski/dockupski/log-on trapski etc etc.

If CCP have any sense they will put an end to the privateers.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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OHHHHH.. so I see.. Hmm.. Can you find where in my posts I said i was AGAINST consentual PVP... Please can you find it?

. . . OK. Now that is settled.

Not all PVPers are griefers.. I am a PVPer. Privateers just happen to be the only ones doing what they are doing, but it could be any alliance doing the same thing.....

However, please NOTE: no one else has started doing this. Its not this incredible revolution. Its just an annoyance. And in my opinion the excessive wardecs reduces the diversity of the game. I am not saying get rid of non-consentual PVP, I was never against wardecs before this spectacle and I am still not against it, but for crying out loud.. give it a break.

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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Originally by: Darius silverbolt

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So I am going to be that "guy" who asked that lame question.

What the heck is the problem with privateers all about? I am a empire player in a small dead corp. I don't see any problems to what i am reading. Can some one please just lay it out for this un-informed miner.

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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What ? Whats has>? point me to someplace to read about it pls,...what am I missing????

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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What ? Whats has>? point me to someplace to read about it pls,...what am I missing????

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yeah thats what I want to know

TO THE TEST SERVER!

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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What ? Whats has>? point me to someplace to read about it pls,...what am I missing????

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yeah thats what I want to know

TO THE TEST SERVER!

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Just got back from there - ... PRiavteers doesnt have an allaince on the test server - and I am not familiar enough with the Corp deccing proceudre to know if its different.

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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will explain when i have the time i promise

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Originally by: Karasuma Akane

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Edited by: Karasuma Akane on 07/04/2007 09:09:14

Originally by: Ki An

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Note, these wars may have changed in the time it took me to write this.

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Thank you for the list and providing some sort of a factual breakdown of the wardecs. Now I'm just puzzled as to how Privateers have gotten their negative reputation (as expressed all over the forums) and caused so much anti-buzz if operations are truly this aligned toward targeting 0.0 alliances?

There's apparently a perception problem somewhere that's giving Privateers bad public relations. Maybe you need better publicity for the claims that Bangoura added above.

[p.s. - FarScape, I have no idea how you misunderstood my quoted line to mean big alliances when the sentence referred to small carebear corps.]

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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Linkage
I've opened up votes on war deccing 6 corps on the test server if anything is odd about that screen shot please inform me as I haven't war dec'd anyone before

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Originally by: Kodiak31415

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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter

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Getting shot with black screen is petitionable. Petitions are annoying, but at least the loss is compensated.

I dont know how many black screen killmails privs get, but its sad they spam their killboard with these mails. The ship gets reimbursed, so why post the mail?

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IIRC aren't you invincible or at least unlockable untill about 20 seconds after undock? Unless theres lag or your have a slow computer you should load up long before this. Also this time is the same as the 'redock' timer meaning that so long as your dont activate a module or attempt to move your can instantly redock (attmpting to redock will cancel this timer)...but then again I may just be full of it.

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Edited by: Captain Thunk on 08/04/2007 02:34:13
Then CCP should add a big red button top right hand of the screen.

When pressed this button should render the pilot totally invulnerable regardless of whether he's in 0.0, low sec or high sec empire - a bright sign should appear above the pilots ship reading "I don't feel like fighting right now"

There is a lot of misinformation regarding privateers and what they do, I'm not saying there aren't a few who camp Jita 4-4 all day, as there clearly are. But there are many who believe each and every single privateer only engages ships 10:1 that have no weapons and runs the second a gun is fired in anger in their direction. If people wish to believe that, then that's fine, but I don't think posting such nonsense and stating it's a fact on these forums is at all helpful.

Generally speaking, privateers only targets large alliances on the principle of gaining as many targets as feasible. Unless specifically hired, there's no reason for us to attack a small industrial corp - it'd make no sense from our point of view in paying the fee for a very small number of pilots. Whoever hires privateers to grief these people would be paying someone to do it whether or not privateers existed. The vast majority of small corps aren't on the privateer radar and most people are well aware of this fact but are choosing to ignore it to try and remedy their own situation.

Ultimately, the people complaining the loudest want their cake and eat it. They want to be a 'powerful 0.0 entity, shaping the Eve universe in the most manly way' while convenient and then on the otherhand be a peaceful happy-afk-lucky industrialist making a lot of money in Empire when 0.0 is not so convenient. The simple fact is that many of these alliances are not as '0.0 based' as they wish people to believe, something that privateers has been exposing for some time.

I'm off the opinion that 2 week old players have no place in alliances, they have so much to learn about the game and would be better off in a smaller corp learning the basics. Being in a 0.0 alliance may benefit them financially, but they're side stepping part of the important learning process. For this reason I am not overly sympathetic for their plight, no more than I would be if they got ganked in some 0.0 region. That said, I've had two engagements with Ivy League gangs who show up their '0.0 poweful alliance' peers with their attitude and fun spirit. Not only do they actively hunt privateers, they also put up a good fight and shrug the losses off with a positive attitude. I don't think these 'newbs' are losing anything in their experience with privateers and are instead harnassing what the opportunity has brought them.

I think the real problem some people are having with privateers is that it's showing up people who have no real place in an alliance, they're not interested in taking part in their alliance and their alliance has no interest in protecting them in Empire while they do their own thing.

If the privateer alliance is about to be CCP'd then I'll settle on having had a good time, but I'd much rather CCP spent time solving the Logoff problems, explaining patiently - like a mother to a child - the problems that can occur when Devs/GMs/Events organisers get too close to the community as well as countless other outstanding issues than pandering to a small section of the community fixated with bending Eve to their vision rather than finding their own niche within the universe.

As far as I know there are only 3 people who have any say in Privateer Alliance direction, I am not one of them so my views may not be fully representative of the Alliance all the time.

CAPTAIN THUNK

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Originally by: Barbarellas Daughter

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Getting shot with black screen is petitionable. Petitions are annoying, but at least the loss is compensated.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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And tell me another thing.. why the HELL should I have to join a NPC corp to "deal" with the Privateer alliance.

Isn't EVE about PLAYER BASED CORPS!!!!!!!!

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Originally by: djenghis jan

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The problem is not the privateers abuse of the war dec system, its in the war dec system itself. If you have an empire war you can gank people everywhere in empire and at the same time are able to dock everywhere. I think that wardeccing should be confined to constellations or even systems and not whole empire so that its more about territorial control than just ganking

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Originally by: djenghis jan

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The problem is not the privateers abuse of the war dec system, its in the war dec system itself. If you have an empire war you can gank people everywhere in empire and at the same time are able to dock everywhere. I think that wardeccing should be confined to constellations or even systems and not whole empire so that its more about territorial control than just ganking

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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No misinformation.. the system is just lame.. there is nothing complicated about it.

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Originally by: Era Castor

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This wont change anything concerning privateers as they already limit themselves stationwise. Jita 4-4

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Originally by: Roue

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I hope you aren't serious. I despise JITA. As does probably 95% of privateers if I were to "guess". But I'm sure if you wanted to make claims you could browse our kill boards and look at where the activity is centered. not majoritily in JITA I'd be willing to bet.

And even if it is higher in jita then other places, though not where any but a small portion of us go. That would still make sense. Does the lion scour the wastelands or the oasis for gazelle? give.. me.. a... break...

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Originally by: R3dSh1ft

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I think to make it less exploitable, an alliance war should continue on for a corp that leaves it for a period of a week, not a day.

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Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Hi Jack, you've been a member of State War Academy for 3 years 6 months and 4 days, since when have you been affected by any war dec at all?

I don't think you're in a position to comment on something you have absolutely no understanding of, other than reading the very misinformation I was talking about.

CAPTAIN THUNK

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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The problem isn't the wardec its the lacking of other elements of war.

Embarago's
Pulling Diplomatic Strings
Blockades
or the old fashioned genocide technique thanks to the jove and their capsule technologies.

Empire war is different than 0.0 war as you can't really stop a corp just annoy them.

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Originally by: BoBoZoBo

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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The problem isn't the wardec its the lacking of other elements of war.

Embarago's
Pulling Diplomatic Strings
Blockades
or the old fashioned genocide technique thanks to the jove and their capsule technologies.

Empire war is different than 0.0 war as you can't really stop a corp just annoy them.

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EXACTLY!...In a game like EVE, embargos and sanctions would work beautifully to... "advise" alliances against such tactics.

But as it stands there is no counter. And unfortunately the existance of alts leaves things like embragos and economic sanctions full of holes.

Either way I would still be for embargos. Hell, even if they can circumvent it with an alt.. at least it would be a pain in the arse for them as well.

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Originally by: Big Al

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The choice to dock at Jita 4-4 with a Privateers war is an IQ check. Sadly, many are failing.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Edited by: Spaceman Jack on 08/04/2007 22:11:52

Originally by: Captain Thunk

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Hi Jack, you've been a member of State War Academy for 3 years 6 months and 4 days, since when have you been affected by any war dec at all?

I don't think you're in a position to comment on something you have absolutely no understanding of, other than reading the very misinformation I was talking about.

CAPTAIN THUNK

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LOL.. OMG you ever stop to think I am an alt?
HAHAHAHA

yes its an old alt.. my main is older and has been PVPing with player corps since beta so unless you can top that...

What.. that character of yours has been around for a ittle over a year, a month of it with the Privateers...lol. But I wont make your mistake and assume that this is your only character.

And no, I don't post with my main, and no I have nothing to hide.
But as you just prooved... people read into the wrong things anyway so Id rather do it with my alt than get my corp/alliance into something simply becuase some shmuck came up with something on their own..

STOP... THINK...

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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think the problem is found. last startup now.

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Originally by: J Valkor

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Privateer.

PRIVATEER

LEGALIZED PIRACY

PRIVATEER

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Originally by: U****ako

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It is not realistic to be at war with 50+ groups and still paying a more or less static amount of money for each of them.

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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think the problem is found. last startup now.

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Originally by: Raskil

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The spirit of my orignial post was that CONCORD is supposed to defend the space lanes and make them peaceful. Sure a war encounter every now and then but... come on 143 wars or something like that? it does not take a freaking idiot to see that this is legalized piracy. In the spirit of the game, shouldnt CONCORD do something.

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Originally by: BoBoZoBo

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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The problem isn't the wardec its the lacking of other elements of war.

Embarago's
Pulling Diplomatic Strings
Blockades
or the old fashioned genocide technique thanks to the jove and their capsule technologies.

Empire war is different than 0.0 war as you can't really stop a corp just annoy them.

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EXACTLY!...In a game like EVE, embargos and sanctions would work beautifully to... "advise" alliances against such tactics.

But as it stands there is no counter. And unfortunately the existance of alts leaves things like embragos and economic sanctions full of holes.

Either way I would still be for embargos. Hell, even if they can circumvent it with an alt.. at least it would be a pain in the arse for them as well.

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Originally by: Siege

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Lets not jump to bragging, unless you are going to be honest about it. Neither the database, nor any characters characters, were transferred over after the open Beta phase. Same at the end of pre-alpha and alpha.

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Originally by: BH Runner

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This issue has already been dealt with. Its on the test server, it hasn't reached TQ deployment yet. Review it on the test server please.

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Originally by: Raskil

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The spirit of my orignial post was that CONCORD is supposed to defend the space lanes and make them peaceful. Sure a war encounter every now and then but... come on 143 wars or something like that? it does not take a freaking idiot to see that this is legalized piracy. In the spirit of the game, shouldnt CONCORD do something.

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Originally by: Xiao Up

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Personally, I'm torn in a way. I want there to be a "safe space" where people can both have a corporation (cause, social interaction *is* the game) and be safe from attack, but I recognize what the privateers do is legit. Part of me says people should adapt. Part of me says there needs to be a sandbox without pee in it.

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Originally by: Sorted

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Originally by: R3dSh1ft

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I think to make it less exploitable, an alliance war should continue on for a corp that leaves it for a period of a week, not a day.

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/SINGED SINGED AND SIGNED AGAIN!!!!!!

woot! , can we get some support for this pls guys.. RALLY ROUND...

You have no idea how many carebare corps drop their allaince everytime we War Dec them...Remember people - it wasnt even us who suggested it!

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Originally by: Fujin Ryoushi

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So.. can PA be 'rented' to wardec someone? and most importantly, how much would it cost?

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Originally by: Cipher7

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People whine about Privateers because most 0.0 alliances are carebears.

Nobody likes risk, if thats carebear then %90 of Eve players are carebear, because we all like to avoid risk.

I think Privateers are providing a valuable service for Eve.

This service is twofold.

1) Helping the devs understand what 0.0 feels like for the average player by bringing 0.0 into Empire.

2) Highlighting the gross inadequacies of the wardec system.

You say Eve is about choice, but is it really?

No its not, Eve has NO place for non-pvp players.

What Privateers is doing is making people understand that even PVP-oriented players need a place they can chill out a relax, mine, run some missions, make some money, trade and generally carebear it up and veg out.

Many ppl find Eve unplayable without 2 accts.

1 acct for pvp, 1 acct for carebearing.

Its kind of like a /pvp on/off switch.

I believe that this conversation is what Ziona intended when creating Privateers.

People told her to stop whining.

Now its YOUR turn to whine, suckers.

This is not a Privateers problem, this is a wardec system problem, this is a "the security system is broken" problem, where people need alts in scouts just to get from point A to point B.

How bout not NEEDING hauler alts?

How bout having other means of information gathering other than SPY ALTS?

How bout being able to see whats in the next system without having to TWO BOX?

How bout industry corps being able to do their thing without getting wardecced by griefer corps?

How bout having a game where everybody doesn't have to METAGAME around the broken mechanics?

I've been a longtime subscriber because I believe that CCP is building something great, and that the final product will be something totally unique and cool, like supporting an artist that's working on his masterpiece.

Is this your final vision CCP? Broken mechanics and Metagaming?

Eve is an awesome concept, but this game could have been so much more, its a shame we have to settle for a half-arsed shell of itself.

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Originally by: EinaruS

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i completely agree, declaring wars in empire should be forbidden, concord should start recruiting everyone and take over the low-sec killing all pirates and would be pvpers on sight, then move into 0.0 and basically raise the sec status in every single system in the game to 1.0. that way this legalized piracy would be at an end because it's just ridiculous that such violence should even exist.

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Originally by: Templer Relleg

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I cant be bothered with 0.0, so many blobs, so little solo pvp, and yet so little danger.

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Originally by: RevJim

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Originally by: Templer Relleg

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I cant be bothered with 0.0, so many blobs, so little solo pvp, and yet so little danger.

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That made me spit my coffee! ROFL a Privateer talking about 1v1, the irony. (Rev grabs some kitchen roll to clean keyboard and screen dammit)

If you want solo pvp then Eve is not the place for you. I have only ever had one true solo pvp fight, Taranis vs. Taranis in 2 years of eve, many wars and lots of time in 0.0 have taught me that there is no such thing as 1v1 in Eve. Some days you are the blob, some days you are the blobee both boring to me, hence I am looking into other ways to gain enjoyment from this game rather than watch my ships explode.

Rev

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Originally by: Templer Relleg

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Can anybody confirm that they have nerfed us?

If this happens, i sadly think this is gonna nerf eve alot for me.
I cant be bothered with 0.0, so many blobs, so little solo pvp, and yet so little danger. If you go to empire while being in a large alliance, its the ultimate carebear situation. Your immortal to anything.

I think that privateers is a brilliant idea.
I demand a devblog on this. Your screwing us over im afraid.

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Originally by: EinaruS

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i completely agree, declaring wars in empire should be forbidden, concord should start recruiting everyone and take over the low-sec killing all pirates and would be pvpers on sight, then move into 0.0 and basically raise the sec status in every single system in the game to 1.0. that way this legalized piracy would be at an end because it's just ridiculous that such violence should even exist.

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Originally by: Azerrad InExile

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Or you could... fight back maybe?

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Well, I never said that I did not.

I (my main) have quite often made good target practice of the Privateers, we have had some good battles.

However...

For ONE, that is not ALL i want to do ALL of the time when I am on EVE. And that is what this system turns it into.

I WOULD, at times like to be able to enjoy the other aspects of the game wihout interferrence from this overkill war spam. I thought this is what we had 0.0 and other professions for.

EVE boasts itself on diversity and how you are never locked to any one profession or play style.. well guess what? Now the style has been locked. By the Privateers OWN claim, their experiment has made empire JUST like 0.0, so where is the diversity in that? Its all the same now.

TWO, fighting back gets me nowhere.
What, just to get a few kills... woop dee dooooo!

Id rather be spending that effort with my mates in 0.0 for some actual cause and effect. The Privateers have brilliantly formed themselved and they are an idea. They are arbitrary and are willing to sacrifice funds for their.. efforts. Good for them, but far me it is not an interesting enemy, just a hassle to deal with. Its like a shooting gallery with no real feel to it and feels unimmersive.

But that is just me.

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Originally by: Cindare

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Don't you folks see the valuable service that PA provides? These guys were kind enough to expedite my podjump from Jita back to 0.0 in record time! And they pay for the priviledge; I wouldn't have it any other way.

Grats on the shuttle killmail, by the way.

<3 PA

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Originally by: EinaruS

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i completely agree, declaring wars in empire should be forbidden, concord should start recruiting everyone and take over the low-sec killing all pirates and would be pvpers on sight, then move into 0.0 and basically raise the sec status in every single system in the game to 1.0. that way this legalized piracy would be at an end because it's just ridiculous that such violence should even exist.

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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu

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Sanctions are a joke, I don't think there's ever been an instance where this has proven to have been the deciding factor in rl politics. Specifics are, of course, against the forum rules, but economic options such as sanctions simply do not work in rl.

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Originally by: Lucky Lynn

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OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining.

I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose.

Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire."

And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB).

But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance.

NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA.

Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers.

In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity.

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Originally by: Ayumu Kosuga

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Yes, EVE is non-consentual PVP, but PVP is NOT just combat and blowing up ships.

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that'S the reason why privateers have every right to their wardec's.

traders/producer force their prices on combatants.
combatants force bullets and missiles on the traders/producers.

it's a circle.

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Originally by: Jimer Lins

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Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market.

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Originally by: Banana Torres

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Originally by: Jimer Lins

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Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market.

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Yeah, I agree, it sickens me when I see that I have sold to a BoB cheater or one of their pets.

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Originally by: Jimer Lins

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Originally by: Ayumu Kosuga

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Yes, EVE is non-consentual PVP, but PVP is NOT just combat and blowing up ships.

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that'S the reason why privateers have every right to their wardec's.

traders/producer force their prices on combatants.
combatants force bullets and missiles on the traders/producers.

it's a circle.

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Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market.

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Originally by: Banana Torres

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Originally by: Jimer Lins

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Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market.

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Yeah, I agree, it sickens me when I see that I have sold to a BoB cheater or one of their pets.

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Originally by: Ki An

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snip long list

Of these 69 wars, 50 are against alliances, the vast bulk of which are 0.0 alliances. 8 are against Empire industrial corps.

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Originally by: Paul Castrin

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1) noticeably lacking from the above list are any true PvP only alliances or merc outfits. I find this especially interesting in that the two most powerful PvP alliances are not in that list, namely MC and BoB. That is not to say there aren't other allies of both there but it struck me as an interesting omission on the part of the Privateers. Perhaps the list was between war'decs but there is no way of confirming that with any real accuracy.

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Originally by: Infinity MKII

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Originally by: Lucky Lynn

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OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining.

I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose.

Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire."

And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB).

But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance.

NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA.

Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers.

In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity.

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Thanks m8. Im still hanging around lurking occasionally. I think it was this thread Linkage and from another by Eilie who wrote "Infinity Ziona, you always make such funny suggestions... If you want to annoy someone in empire who killed you in 0.0, than just declare war!".

So really Privateers alliance is just doing what was suggested, people should be more careful what they wish for or suggest maybe cause it may just come true

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Originally by: Kruel

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If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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Originally by: Kruel

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If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.

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Why doesn't any one take that option anyways?

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Originally by: Kruel

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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Originally by: Kruel

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If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.

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Why doesn't any one take that option anyways?

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Actually many corps surrender every day. It's the ones that don't who come here and whine.

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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix

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Borrowing a WoW phrase, L2P n00bs.
Solutions
1) Move in gangs.
2) Join a corp who isn't dec'd.
3) Make a hauler alt.
4) Stay out of empire
5) The best reason: SHOOT BACK!

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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Originally by: Kruel

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Originally by: Thread Winner

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Originally by: Kruel

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If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.

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Why doesn't any one take that option anyways?

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Actually many corps surrender every day. It's the ones that don't who come here and whine.

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What do you get from them?

Do you make any ridiculous requests? Like 5000 exotic dancers maybe?

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Originally by: Kruel

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I just see the messages from Concord in the Alliance mailbox every day about so and so corp surrendering.

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Originally by: Ki An

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The economic warfare with refusal of sales idea is actually a pretty darn good one. I would love for this to be implemented. The problem, as already mentioned, is alts. Seems alts are a problem in quite a lot of issues lately. I for one don't like when people can't be held accountable for their actions, and so alt is generally a bad thing imo.

Perhaps it's time to limit accounts to one character? Would solve a lot of problems, and not cause anything that can't be worked around with other means. Am I wrong?

/Ki

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Originally by: Hamfast

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Originally by: Ki An

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The economic warfare with refusal of sales idea is actually a pretty darn good one. I would love for this to be implemented. The problem, as already mentioned, is alts. Seems alts are a problem in quite a lot of issues lately. I for one don't like when people can't be held accountable for their actions, and so alt is generally a bad thing imo.

Perhaps it's time to limit accounts to one character? Would solve a lot of problems, and not cause anything that can't be worked around with other means. Am I wrong?

/Ki

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In an attempt to use real life... The USA (us, the good guys, Growers of Corn...) have an embargo against Cuba (Evil nasty commie bastages) so the Cubans buy from the French, who buy from us... there you go, a real life alt...

Alts are part of the game, like Jet-Cans and War Decs... that some may not like the way they are used means nothing, as long as they are used within the rules as set by CCP.

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Originally by: H Zub

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http://www.whine-online.com

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Originally by: Lucy Light

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Edited by: Lucy Light on 10/04/2007 19:53:35
i say gg to privateers

making travelling through empire way more interesting

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Originally by: Corporate Stooge

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Originally by: Spaceman Jack

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Originally by: Azerrad InExile

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Or you could... fight back maybe?

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Well, I never said that I did not.

I (my main) have quite often made good target practice of the Privateers, we have had some good battles.

However...

For ONE, that is not ALL i want to do ALL of the time when I am on EVE. And that is what this system turns it into.

I WOULD, at times like to be able to enjoy the other aspects of the game wihout interferrence from this overkill war spam. I thought this is what we had 0.0 and other professions for.

EVE boasts itself on diversity and how you are never locked to any one profession or play style.. well guess what? Now the style has been locked. By the Privateers OWN claim, their experiment has made empire JUST like 0.0, so where is the diversity in that? Its all the same now.

TWO, fighting back gets me nowhere.
What, just to get a few kills... woop dee dooooo!

Id rather be spending that effort with my mates in 0.0 for some actual cause and effect. The Privateers have brilliantly formed themselved and they are an idea. They are arbitrary and are willing to sacrifice funds for their.. efforts. Good for them, but far me it is not an interesting enemy, just a hassle to deal with. Its like a shooting gallery with no real feel to it and feels unimmersive.

But that is just me.

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QFT

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