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Samantha Udan
Rubicon Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:05:52 -
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So on the Eve updates site the release of the drilling platforms was listed as winter 2016. It now says the release date is Fall of 2017. Why has it been pushed back for almost a year?? |
Izchadie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:10:45 -
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I suspect they will reveal their plan at Fanfest 2017. If the drilling platforms have been pushed back, can't imagine what will happen to the other structures, stargates in particular. I think they will be focusing on the newbros and expanding the NPE. |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:11:23 -
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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:14:22 -
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Izchadie wrote:...I think they will be focusing on the newbros and expanding the NPE. 1 year of nothing but newbro experience?
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Izchadie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:24:14 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Izchadie wrote:...I think they will be focusing on the newbros and expanding the NPE. 1 year of nothing but newbro experience? \o/
Well we get some small features occasionally...like that anti-bomb defender missile thing. The rest is improved NPE and some skins, instead of the drilling platforms. So we are looking at small features, as opposed to huge ones.
Either way CCP has planned something big that will need the developing time for the structures, or they will keep on going with lots of small improvements. |
Prince Kobol
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:43:17 -
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Better to delay and make sure new players get a better experience then release something that isn't working right |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:58:18 -
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The updates site says 2017, not Fall 2017.
I doubt it will be fall. Much more likely to be Spring, right after Fanfest in April.
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Moksa Elodie
Hijo de la Luna
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Posted - 2016.12.11 16:14:15 -
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Actually it does say under 2017 Upcoming fall |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.11 16:14:49 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:The updates site says 2017, not Fall 2017.
I doubt it will be fall. Much more likely to be Spring, right after Fanfest in April.
It's on the little "Upcoming Fall" section of the linear calendar at the bottom.
I would speculate that overhauling moon mining and reactions will take a bit of time. Those are pretty ancient systems, the core mechanics of which have pretty much never seen a significant update.
Reactions, particularly - the whole concept of chaining structures together doesn't really make a lot of sense under the new structure model. There's likely a lot more work here than just having the art department whip up some models and stuffing some new service modules into the database.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.12.11 16:23:27 -
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I do not fully understand what CCP intend to do with drilling platforms, but considering how big the Rorqual changes have been on the 'resource harvesting' side of the game balance, I think it's better for CCP to think long and hard about any other changes that's got to do with 'resource harvesting', in any forms.
Many things have crashed in price at serious level. Not all of them are related, but in terms of timing we are seeing crashes in different tier of materials are the same time (unfortunately). Minerals are very cheap now, and T3 and nanoribbons have been crashing so bad this year (obviously they are not related, but just mentioning them together as we are witnessing them at the same time).
If CCP implements drilling platforms or do any tweaks on moon mining or whatever other things that could lead to drop in price for materials used for T2, deliberately or by accident, we'd have an unprecedented case of T1, T2 and T3 materials all crashing at same time, dramatically.
We used to talk about 'baloon effects' where drop in low end minerals (such as Tritnanium) gets somewhat balanced by increase in price for higher end minerals or vice versa. But now everything's falling flat on the face. And the T3 products prices? I've never seen them so low since Apocrypha introduced them for the first time. If something happens in the resource harvesting balance that could result in drop in material prices for T2, we end up with everything,from T1 to T3, being cheaper, over produced, with over supply of materials at super cheap price, meaning production cost are not likely to rise for forseeable time, and no real increase in demand either.
EVE has always 'over produced' stuff to some extent, but seriously, I feel that many things are going totally off balance now. I just don't see the level of increased demand that could bring up the prices again, and I don't see any planned changes that would reduce the supply of stuff in future. I worry that we end up with over supply of stuff with no real demand to match, and people who's buying up stuff now thinking 'wow they cheap now and I think the price will shoot up' will end up waiting very long time until they see actual profit on their investment. People talk about spending a lot of ISK these days to buy up many different things being sold for cheap, and yeah, maybe prices on these things will go up again, but not any time soon.
I think many people have already over invested because prices on some stuff got too cheap and it was too tempting to buy up, and they are now low on liquidity, lower than they have been used to, and lower than they are comfortable with. Sooner or later, these people will want to liquidate what they bought over past few months, but will find that the prices have not gone up as they expected. Then we shall have these bought up stock flooding the market again as people feel the pressure of being low on ISK and want to sell to get some ISK, and that will suppress the prices even further.
I don't know - this is just my personal reading of the EVE market at the moment. There may be other technical reasons why CCP is delaying the drilling platforms, but economicaly, I'm very glad that they are delaying it. I don't think the market can absorb another major shock at this stage. Whether this is what CCP intended or not, this is a good news for the market IMHO.
Obviously there will be enough number of players who profit from the recent changes and the future market fluctuations, but I bet many people will end up with less ISK and more stuff (valued less) than they wanted.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.12.11 16:35:34 -
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I think it will have something to do with moon mining.
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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.11 17:15:57 -
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Fall seems extremely far away for both this feature and for CCP to plan ahead. I don't think I've ever seen them place updates on the update site more than 2 or 3 months ahead, so I'm going to call this an error on someone's part (hopefully).
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.12.11 17:46:04 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Fall seems extremely far away for both this feature and for CCP to plan ahead. I don't think I've ever seen them place updates on the update site more than 2 or 3 months ahead, so I'm going to call this an error on someone's part (hopefully). *cough* 18 months *cough*
In seriousness, whatever drilling platforms end up being (which still has NOT been announced in any way afaik,) they either better be cool enough with broad appeal to justify another *18 months* situation, or they better be minor enough to be worth procrastinating until the good stuff is done in the mean time.
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Samantha Udan
Rubicon Mining and Manufacturing
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Posted - 2016.12.11 20:03:45 -
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I can see them wanting to be careful but pushing it that far back is nuts. I get there maybe parts like moon mining that might needs to be held back but I still think they should roll it out then slowly add feature parts to it to make sure they don't screw the market.
Prime example is the Rorq changes is how not to do one mass feature change. The fact they are now going back after it with a large nerf shows they were way off on their numbers, |
Kosomot
Poseidon Energy and Industrial DRONE WALKERS
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Posted - 2016.12.11 21:43:48 -
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Changing the Timeline for Drilling could be as simple as ...
In the spring (at Fanfest), talk about drilling platforms the way CCP thinks about it
breath deeply.
observe and listen to reactions from the community and considerations brought about regarding items CCP didn't consider.
Modifications made to original design, with updates brought out to us in a series of youtube videos with lots of love from CCP Seagull.
Late Summer // Early Fall Launch.
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this combined with the NPE evolving, the new Player growth model evolving since this is really just the 1st in a series of launches to this new alpha // omega program.
I personally am ok with sometime major taking a good amount of time and working out well vs, rushing something to market and it sucking.
I'm super happy with Citadels and Engineering Complex's, as they seem well thought out, and there seems to be a real plan in motion with them
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.12.11 22:33:04 -
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Fall of 2017 = Q1 2017
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Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
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Posted - 2016.12.11 22:58:19 -
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Hmm... Ninja timetable change from CCP... How original.
Seriously it would be nice to see official announcements if timetable is changed much for expected features. Changing timetable from winter to fall next year makes something like 9 month delay.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.12.11 23:32:48 -
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Mikhem wrote:9 month delay. Still better than abortion.
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Wanda Fayne
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Posted - 2016.12.11 23:47:37 -
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Toobo wrote:
Not enough stuff blowing up
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Sound about right?
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
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Aegon the Dragonbane
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.12 07:39:33 -
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So like -- will this replace mining ships for something like PI in asteroid belts? |
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Prt Scr
569th Freelancers
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Posted - 2016.12.12 11:42:58 -
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So? They pushed it back to tie in with the removal of POS and passive moon mining. That's a fair bit of code to be sorted.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2016.12.12 13:20:20 -
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Right now, we don't have an ETA for drilling platforms, but after speaking with the team who'll be working on them, they won't be rolled out during winter 2016/2017.
For this reason, we've pushed them back to the fall in 2017 for now, however that date may come forward.
We use EVE Updates pretty fluidly to display the road map of what's coming up in the short to mid term future, so don't be surprised if things appear, disappear, shift around or change dates.
In January there'll be a sizeable update to the site that will show a lot more of what's coming in 2017. We just need to finish up planning and get everything nailed down first
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Nomistrav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2016.12.12 15:36:17 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Right now, we don't have an ETA for drilling platforms, but after speaking with the team who'll be working on them, they won't be rolled out during winter 2016/2017. For this reason, we've pushed them back to the fall in 2017 for now, however that date may come forward. We use EVE Updates pretty fluidly to display the road map of what's coming up in the short to mid term future, so don't be surprised if things appear, disappear, shift around or change dates. In January there'll be a sizeable update to the site that will show a lot more of what's coming in 2017. We just need to finish up planning and get everything nailed down first
Fall 2017 is a pretty massive leap. Can you share any sort of details as to why there was such a big delay?
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2016.12.12 15:50:13 -
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Nomistrav wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Right now, we don't have an ETA for drilling platforms, but after speaking with the team who'll be working on them, they won't be rolled out during winter 2016/2017. For this reason, we've pushed them back to the fall in 2017 for now, however that date may come forward. We use EVE Updates pretty fluidly to display the road map of what's coming up in the short to mid term future, so don't be surprised if things appear, disappear, shift around or change dates. In January there'll be a sizeable update to the site that will show a lot more of what's coming in 2017. We just need to finish up planning and get everything nailed down first Fall 2017 is a pretty massive leap. Can you share any sort of details as to why there was such a big delay?
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The delay might not be so big. They are not ready for this winter.
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Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere Coalition of the Unfortunate
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Posted - 2016.12.12 16:14:56 -
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I'll swap you drilling platforms for an alliance-level ratting tax. |
Darrien
Ouroboros Logistics
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Posted - 2016.12.12 16:38:32 -
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They've all ready had to scale back on the Rorqual, my guess is they want to see how the other recent changes to mining pan out before potentially buffing mineral/ice/gas yields again with drilling platforms. |
Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.12.12 17:02:27 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote: I would speculate that overhauling moon mining and reactions will take a bit of time. Those are pretty ancient systems, the core mechanics of which have pretty much never seen a significant update.
Reactions, particularly - the whole concept of chaining structures together doesn't really make a lot of sense under the new structure model. There's likely a lot more work here than just having the art department whip up some models and stuffing some new service modules into the database.
Considering that the entire reaction system is going to be replaced, I'm not sure that the complexity and age of the current system is actually relevant, unless were talking about how POSes interact with sov.
Darrien wrote:They've all ready had to scale back on the Rorqual, my guess is they want to see how the other recent changes to mining pan out before potentially buffing mineral/ice/gas yields again with drilling platforms.
From what has been posted I don't think it is CCP's intention to replace moon-mining with ship-based mining. I could be wrong. I think integrating the PI mechanics to include moons would be a lot easier.
As far as reactions, I think a more likely scenario would be to change all the reaction blueprints to more traditional BPOs, and keep Drilling Platforms focused only on resource gathering, reprocessing, and compression. I think its also possible they could replace Customs Offices with Drilling Platforms.
At this point all CCP would have to do is balance the related mechanics so as to maintain universally similar consumption and production rates.
So, yeah, I am a little surprised at how far back Drilling Platforms have been pushed. A year or more? That's like saying "We haven't even started on this yet." But considering how far reaching and potentially devastating making a mistake on this could be, getting it right is very important.
The introduction of Drilling Platforms could potentially be even more impactful than Crius or Ascension industrial changes were.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.12.12 17:41:00 -
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Quote:I think integrating the PI mechanics to include moons would be a lot easier.
Drilling platform = Customs office + extractors on moon surface?
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DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
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Posted - 2016.12.12 18:00:32 -
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Soldarius wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote: I would speculate that overhauling moon mining and reactions will take a bit of time. Those are pretty ancient systems, the core mechanics of which have pretty much never seen a significant update.
Reactions, particularly - the whole concept of chaining structures together doesn't really make a lot of sense under the new structure model. There's likely a lot more work here than just having the art department whip up some models and stuffing some new service modules into the database.
Considering that the entire reaction system is going to be replaced, I'm not sure that the complexity and age of the current system is actually relevant, unless were talking about how POSes interact with sov. Darrien wrote:They've all ready had to scale back on the Rorqual, my guess is they want to see how the other recent changes to mining pan out before potentially buffing mineral/ice/gas yields again with drilling platforms. From what has been posted I don't think it is CCP's intention to replace moon-mining with ship-based mining. I could be wrong. I think integrating the PI mechanics to include moons would be a lot easier. As far as reactions, I think a more likely scenario would be to change all the reaction blueprints to more traditional BPOs, and keep Drilling Platforms focused only on resource gathering, reprocessing, and compression. I think its also possible they could replace Customs Offices with Drilling Platforms. At this point all CCP would have to do is balance the related mechanics so as to maintain universally similar consumption and production rates. So, yeah, I am a little surprised at how far back Drilling Platforms have been pushed. A year or more? That's like saying "We haven't even started on this yet." But considering how far reaching and potentially devastating making a mistake on this could be, getting it right is very important. The introduction of Drilling Platforms could potentially be even more impactful than Crius or Ascension industrial changes were.
Actually, there has been some talk about chaging moon goo into an active mining format, as in with ships. and as pi is annoying as all hades, i would HATE moon goo to become pi. would be easier for a drill platform ti either covert a moon into an ore field, or they change moon mining 100% and set the moon to deplete when the pos' die and move to a new system, like giant asteroids that a platofrm need to breka up so they can be mined or something.
but we dunno the current plans. And yea reactions need to convert to blue prints and be standard industry jobs, would make life a hell of alot eaiser
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.12.12 18:15:10 -
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*thinks of driving a moon goo harvester on moon surface*
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