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Queen News Gallente Queen News Corp	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:11:00 - [1] Seems that BoB is having a field day today, hundreds of kills, including 6 dreads. Question I ask is looking at there killboard dosnt seem like there was much support for the 6 dreads again. Alliances Losing the Dreads - The Arrow Project - IRON - Raxor - Morsus Mihi 4 Alliances lose dreads and no support to be found, seems strange, anyone care to comment
Evenfall Phoenix The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:14:00 - [2] Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:16:00 - [3] We had support, BoB just had a lot more. Think they outnumbered us 5-1, with a Titan, Mothership(s), Dreadnaughts and Carriers. Lag was an issue again, I warped to the POS trying to get the tacklers of our dreads, but my ship got destroyed before I even loaded at the hostile POS. Oh well, win some, lose some. We aren't going to give up that easily.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Queen News 4 Alliances lose dreads and no support to be found, seems strange, anyone care to comment So thats like err 1.5 Dreads lost per alliance...anyone like to comment on the number of 1 man alt corps posting threads with no content. I am sure it is more than 1.5 thread per 1 man corp How about making alliance tickers mandatory in CAOD, this is to benefit both sides btw
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. No one from this fight did either.
Kara Mori Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:39:00 - [6] And so continues the war of attrition. The thing I find interesting is I remember an ASCN guy (when they were still around, duh) saying that he could mine the minerals for a carrier in a week on his own . The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Though I do miss battle reports, even small ones. Preferably from people that were actually there though...for us interested but unaffiliated parties.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:49:00 - [7] Battle report please. Didn't you see them comming or did they use a Titan? More details would be nice.
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:51:00 - [8] Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 09/04/2007 05:52:26 Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Its nothing, just a few dreads ....
Xazier Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:54:00 - [9] good o' jump portals. Another "I win" button with the titan stuff. Anyway doesn't matter we're not stopping. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Barkode Teh Fuzz	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored.
Anti Bob	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt.
Chuck Dawg Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. If you want to post something that people will actually listen to then post with your main. This who he says she says bull crap is being to wear thin. It does nothing to bolster either side into a victory its just making it harder to wade through the bull**** posts to something that is actually worth my time.
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:18:00 - [13] They wanted to kill me because i posted on the general discussion boards about a titan cap recharge rate. They did however manage to kill me but there really isn't anything to talk about we lost this one many more to come i'm sure.
Mizuho Tsukihime Tsukihime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:25:00 - [14] I think its more about those dreads are corp supply or individual supply. If corp, the coalition would just keep fielding them until the alliance wallet empty. If its individual, probably 1~2 dread lost and that's it, there won't be any dread field by that particular pilots for the rest of the war. Yes, the insurance probably will covered most of it and since T2 stuff is getting way cheaper anyone in the coalition can field few more times, but there's only so many times a pilot can field cap ship and lost it. Saying about outnumbered its pratically nonsense. I don't see the Alliance (bob+allies) complaint about being outnumbered and still win the battlefield. If you plan to siege POS, make sure you have your support group nearby. Having the cap lost is basically, your own group mistakes... whining and giving excuses won't help you, like the old ASCN giving lots of excuses during ASCN/BOB war.
Kara Mori Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Mizuho Tsukihime I think its more about those dreads are corp supply or individual supply. whining and giving excuses won't help you, like the old ASCN giving lots of excuses during ASCN/BOB war. Nah, ASCN was a bit different. They didn't own up to a lot of their losses, nor did they ever give BoB any credit for things that they killed. Every single loss devolved into "Bob metagames and hacks our TS servers waahhh we don't want to play like this". Seems like the coalition is giving BoB due credit (for the most part), and not pulling that kind of bull****. Yes, we do see the accusations of that thing "we's not supposedta talks about" in some of the major engagements, but overall it's not been real prominent in comparison.
Kittara Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.04.09 07:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Travling They wanted to kill me because i posted on the general discussion boards about a titan cap recharge rate. They did however manage to kill me but there really isn't anything to talk about we lost this one many more to come i'm sure. You sure that they as Strad says weren't "cleaning the gene pool?"
Queen News Gallente Queen News Corp	Posted - 2007.04.09 07:35:00 - [17] I have no doubt that these alliances losing capital ships like this can afford to replace a few dreads here and there. But when you add up the 6-10 dreads a week, and the 40-50 dreads they lost a week or two ago. It adds up fast, I don't care how many alliances and corps it involves. But the question I wonder more about is why does BoB never seem to lose there capital ships like this. Seems to me the coalition needs to do some traps of there own.
Barkode Teh Fuzz	Posted - 2007.04.09 07:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Anti Bob Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt. oh the irony
Eldar Curunirr Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar How about making alliance tickers mandatory in CAOD, this is to benefit both sides btw Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, please be sure to have the "Show Corporation" and "Show Alliance" checkboxes ticked in your forum settings. The more you know......
Enre Sung Market Control Paradigm	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Anti Bob Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt. oh the irony The phrase "Takes one to know one" comes to mind
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Habraka We had support, BoB just had a lot more. Think they outnumbered us 5-1, with a Titan, Mothership(s), Dreadnaughts and Carriers. Lies. Can't be true. The Coalition train is unstoppable! ---------- Sig Removed. Please keep sigs in good taste for these forums. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/04/2007 09:26:25 Originally by: Anti Bob Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt. I think this is the funniest post I've seen in COAD in a while... an alt complaining about another alt Was just reading through, saw this, and started giggling uncontrollably. Thanks for my first laugh of the day (though unfortunately the quote will probably be deleted when the mods delete all the alt posts) --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:33:00 - [23] LV lost 15 dread last month : while it was seen as a victory to us, LV minimize the loss and said they will be soon replaced. It worried me so I ask our vip the question : "What is 15 dreads to an Alliance like LV ?" --> I was told "For LV, that's about one week of alliance income, no more." No one spoked about the 6 dread especially if they are spread around 4 alliances... Maybe I'm minimizing the loss, maybe not. All I can say is our ennmies are just what we expected :). (Joshua, update your map, damn it) ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: Clavius Der I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
Yokko Tai	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn LV lost 15 dread last month : while it was seen as a victory to us, LV minimize the loss and said they will be soon replaced. It worried me so I ask our vip the question : "What is 15 dreads to an Alliance like LV ?" --> I was told "For LV, that's about one week of alliance income, no more." No one spoked about the 6 dread especially if they are spread around 4 alliances... Maybe I'm minimizing the loss, maybe not. All I can say is our ennmies are just what we expected :). (Joshua, update your map, damn it) Normaly shouldnt be a problem 6 dreads, but still after loosing 50, loosing more and more capitals without kiliing any... that can't be good for morale. And more.. some pilots that lost a capital 10 days ago lost another one now. Do u see them comming in 5 days with another capital in fight?
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:57:00 - [25] Come on.. people. Both sides exagerate. these looses are not bakrupting the coalition. But at same time no one can say it's nice to loose dreads. Its just normal war attrition. BOB seem to be focusing a lot on causing attrition, and that is an inteligent tactics for them due to the geographical nature of thsi conflict (where they could not focus 100% of their forces in a single front to push the front).. At this moment both sides are loosing teh fatness (buffer zones) and its a fairly stable war now (much like a WW1 trench war).. of course after the Redswarm blietzkrig on LV. Fact is no side can psuh for a definitive victory in short time. So things are just rolling on... I would not find strange if this war is only solved after revelations 2. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Pain Haemorrhage Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Habraka We had support, BoB just had a lot more. Think they outnumbered us 5-1, with a Titan, Mothership(s), Dreadnaughts and Carriers. Lag was an issue again, I warped to the POS trying to get the tacklers of our dreads, but my ship got destroyed before I even loaded at the hostile POS. Oh well, win some, lose some. We aren't going to give up that easily. I keep reading posts like this from coalition members in response to threads / battlereports about them loosing. Although I do prefer them to " omg bob cheaters / haxors " and so on I cant help to wonder when they are going to stop. The simple fact so far, is that in the 2 months? since this war of the coaltion against the alliance started as far as I can tell, apart from when the 9 bob dreads were killed in c3- there has not been one notable, decisive victory against bob led forces dealt by the coalition. So it is always going to be " we wont give up " type message from the coalition untill there is no one left fighting ? is " we wont give up " the coalitions version of ASCN's " bob are cheaters " calling card ? when will the truth finally be accepted ? It was similar in the war against ASCN with the daily posts by ASCN stating they were not loosing. Coalition members are quick to make the analogy here aswell accept in thier case they think they are different from ASCN somehow as they admit to their losses and dont hide from the truth, but can they not see they are also the same but in a different aspect, as they think that somehow, some miracule is going to happen and they are going to start winning ? I dont think so somehow. History tends to repeat itself.
Delthus The Three Hundred SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:05:00 - [27] well i really doubt it all matters much how many ships one side loses due to the fact mot allainces have capital replacement programs or hey own the bpo's so its relitively cheap to make new cap sips the only cap ships that are significant loses r mother ships and titans and even those an be replaced in time the only reason why those are significant is becauseo f the logistics invovled in producing one Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. In that case the coalition has to blame only themselves/their mates, if they don't win this. Would be a bit rediculous: "Hah, let's all go kill evil BoB ! They don't deserve their 0.0 space anyway." "Bleh, takes longer than expected. That's not cool ! Let's go back to mining." "Aaarghh. Evil BoB knocks on our door again and tries to grab our space ! Evil chea... Why are they allowed to do this ?" ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Xade Caldari K.T.P	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Well BoB's killboard says otherwise who is spreading the propoganda now ?
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:27:00 - [30] the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. d solo. celes apoc new kilboard

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