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Queen News Gallente Queen News Corp	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:11:00 - [1] Seems that BoB is having a field day today, hundreds of kills, including 6 dreads. Question I ask is looking at there killboard dosnt seem like there was much support for the 6 dreads again. Alliances Losing the Dreads - The Arrow Project - IRON - Raxor - Morsus Mihi 4 Alliances lose dreads and no support to be found, seems strange, anyone care to comment
Evenfall Phoenix The Arrow Project The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:14:00 - [2] Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:16:00 - [3] We had support, BoB just had a lot more. Think they outnumbered us 5-1, with a Titan, Mothership(s), Dreadnaughts and Carriers. Lag was an issue again, I warped to the POS trying to get the tacklers of our dreads, but my ship got destroyed before I even loaded at the hostile POS. Oh well, win some, lose some. We aren't going to give up that easily.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:22:00 - [4] Originally by: Queen News 4 Alliances lose dreads and no support to be found, seems strange, anyone care to comment So thats like err 1.5 Dreads lost per alliance...anyone like to comment on the number of 1 man alt corps posting threads with no content. I am sure it is more than 1.5 thread per 1 man corp How about making alliance tickers mandatory in CAOD, this is to benefit both sides btw
DeltaH NOBODY Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. No one from this fight did either.
Kara Mori Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:39:00 - [6] And so continues the war of attrition. The thing I find interesting is I remember an ASCN guy (when they were still around, duh) saying that he could mine the minerals for a carrier in a week on his own . The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Though I do miss battle reports, even small ones. Preferably from people that were actually there though...for us interested but unaffiliated parties.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:49:00 - [7] Battle report please. Didn't you see them comming or did they use a Titan? More details would be nice.
Jonathan Peterbilt Caldari Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:51:00 - [8] Edited by: Jonathan Peterbilt on 09/04/2007 05:52:26 Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Its nothing, just a few dreads ....
Xazier Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 05:54:00 - [9] good o' jump portals. Another "I win" button with the titan stuff. Anyway doesn't matter we're not stopping. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Barkode Teh Fuzz	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored.
Anti Bob	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:08:00 - [11] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt.
Chuck Dawg Artic Blue Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:18:00 - [12] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. If you want to post something that people will actually listen to then post with your main. This who he says she says bull crap is being to wear thin. It does nothing to bolster either side into a victory its just making it harder to wade through the bull**** posts to something that is actually worth my time.
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:18:00 - [13] They wanted to kill me because i posted on the general discussion boards about a titan cap recharge rate. They did however manage to kill me but there really isn't anything to talk about we lost this one many more to come i'm sure.
Mizuho Tsukihime Tsukihime Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:25:00 - [14] I think its more about those dreads are corp supply or individual supply. If corp, the coalition would just keep fielding them until the alliance wallet empty. If its individual, probably 1~2 dread lost and that's it, there won't be any dread field by that particular pilots for the rest of the war. Yes, the insurance probably will covered most of it and since T2 stuff is getting way cheaper anyone in the coalition can field few more times, but there's only so many times a pilot can field cap ship and lost it. Saying about outnumbered its pratically nonsense. I don't see the Alliance (bob+allies) complaint about being outnumbered and still win the battlefield. If you plan to siege POS, make sure you have your support group nearby. Having the cap lost is basically, your own group mistakes... whining and giving excuses won't help you, like the old ASCN giving lots of excuses during ASCN/BOB war.
Kara Mori Finis Lumen	Posted - 2007.04.09 06:59:00 - [15] Originally by: Mizuho Tsukihime I think its more about those dreads are corp supply or individual supply. whining and giving excuses won't help you, like the old ASCN giving lots of excuses during ASCN/BOB war. Nah, ASCN was a bit different. They didn't own up to a lot of their losses, nor did they ever give BoB any credit for things that they killed. Every single loss devolved into "Bob metagames and hacks our TS servers waahhh we don't want to play like this". Seems like the coalition is giving BoB due credit (for the most part), and not pulling that kind of bull****. Yes, we do see the accusations of that thing "we's not supposedta talks about" in some of the major engagements, but overall it's not been real prominent in comparison.
Kittara Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.04.09 07:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Travling They wanted to kill me because i posted on the general discussion boards about a titan cap recharge rate. They did however manage to kill me but there really isn't anything to talk about we lost this one many more to come i'm sure. You sure that they as Strad says weren't "cleaning the gene pool?"
Queen News Gallente Queen News Corp	Posted - 2007.04.09 07:35:00 - [17] I have no doubt that these alliances losing capital ships like this can afford to replace a few dreads here and there. But when you add up the 6-10 dreads a week, and the 40-50 dreads they lost a week or two ago. It adds up fast, I don't care how many alliances and corps it involves. But the question I wonder more about is why does BoB never seem to lose there capital ships like this. Seems to me the coalition needs to do some traps of there own.
Barkode Teh Fuzz	Posted - 2007.04.09 07:41:00 - [18] Originally by: Anti Bob Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt. oh the irony
Eldar Curunirr Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:01:00 - [19] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar How about making alliance tickers mandatory in CAOD, this is to benefit both sides btw Posting with an unidentified alt in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, please be sure to have the "Show Corporation" and "Show Alliance" checkboxes ticked in your forum settings. The more you know......
Enre Sung Market Control Paradigm	Posted - 2007.04.09 08:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Anti Bob Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt. oh the irony The phrase "Takes one to know one" comes to mind
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:11:00 - [21] Originally by: Habraka We had support, BoB just had a lot more. Think they outnumbered us 5-1, with a Titan, Mothership(s), Dreadnaughts and Carriers. Lies. Can't be true. The Coalition train is unstoppable! ---------- Sig Removed. Please keep sigs in good taste for these forums. -Kaemonn ([email protected])
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/04/2007 09:26:25 Originally by: Anti Bob Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. And I'm sure you're an expert on the matter Mrs. Alt. I think this is the funniest post I've seen in COAD in a while... an alt complaining about another alt Was just reading through, saw this, and started giggling uncontrollably. Thanks for my first laugh of the day (though unfortunately the quote will probably be deleted when the mods delete all the alt posts) --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.04.09 09:33:00 - [23] LV lost 15 dread last month : while it was seen as a victory to us, LV minimize the loss and said they will be soon replaced. It worried me so I ask our vip the question : "What is 15 dreads to an Alliance like LV ?" --> I was told "For LV, that's about one week of alliance income, no more." No one spoked about the 6 dread especially if they are spread around 4 alliances... Maybe I'm minimizing the loss, maybe not. All I can say is our ennmies are just what we expected :). (Joshua, update your map, damn it) ----- History is made by whinners Originally by: Clavius Der I dont understand why are these big things (titans, heavy armed poses) in game if they are destroyable with metagaming only
Yokko Tai	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn LV lost 15 dread last month : while it was seen as a victory to us, LV minimize the loss and said they will be soon replaced. It worried me so I ask our vip the question : "What is 15 dreads to an Alliance like LV ?" --> I was told "For LV, that's about one week of alliance income, no more." No one spoked about the 6 dread especially if they are spread around 4 alliances... Maybe I'm minimizing the loss, maybe not. All I can say is our ennmies are just what we expected :). (Joshua, update your map, damn it) Normaly shouldnt be a problem 6 dreads, but still after loosing 50, loosing more and more capitals without kiliing any... that can't be good for morale. And more.. some pilots that lost a capital 10 days ago lost another one now. Do u see them comming in 5 days with another capital in fight?
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.09 10:57:00 - [25] Come on.. people. Both sides exagerate. these looses are not bakrupting the coalition. But at same time no one can say it's nice to loose dreads. Its just normal war attrition. BOB seem to be focusing a lot on causing attrition, and that is an inteligent tactics for them due to the geographical nature of thsi conflict (where they could not focus 100% of their forces in a single front to push the front).. At this moment both sides are loosing teh fatness (buffer zones) and its a fairly stable war now (much like a WW1 trench war).. of course after the Redswarm blietzkrig on LV. Fact is no side can psuh for a definitive victory in short time. So things are just rolling on... I would not find strange if this war is only solved after revelations 2. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Pain Haemorrhage Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:04:00 - [26] Originally by: Habraka We had support, BoB just had a lot more. Think they outnumbered us 5-1, with a Titan, Mothership(s), Dreadnaughts and Carriers. Lag was an issue again, I warped to the POS trying to get the tacklers of our dreads, but my ship got destroyed before I even loaded at the hostile POS. Oh well, win some, lose some. We aren't going to give up that easily. I keep reading posts like this from coalition members in response to threads / battlereports about them loosing. Although I do prefer them to " omg bob cheaters / haxors " and so on I cant help to wonder when they are going to stop. The simple fact so far, is that in the 2 months? since this war of the coaltion against the alliance started as far as I can tell, apart from when the 9 bob dreads were killed in c3- there has not been one notable, decisive victory against bob led forces dealt by the coalition. So it is always going to be " we wont give up " type message from the coalition untill there is no one left fighting ? is " we wont give up " the coalitions version of ASCN's " bob are cheaters " calling card ? when will the truth finally be accepted ? It was similar in the war against ASCN with the daily posts by ASCN stating they were not loosing. Coalition members are quick to make the analogy here aswell accept in thier case they think they are different from ASCN somehow as they admit to their losses and dont hide from the truth, but can they not see they are also the same but in a different aspect, as they think that somehow, some miracule is going to happen and they are going to start winning ? I dont think so somehow. History tends to repeat itself.
Delthus The Three Hundred SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:05:00 - [27] well i really doubt it all matters much how many ships one side loses due to the fact mot allainces have capital replacement programs or hey own the bpo's so its relitively cheap to make new cap sips the only cap ships that are significant loses r mother ships and titans and even those an be replaced in time the only reason why those are significant is becauseo f the logistics invovled in producing one Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:24:00 - [28] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. In that case the coalition has to blame only themselves/their mates, if they don't win this. Would be a bit rediculous: "Hah, let's all go kill evil BoB ! They don't deserve their 0.0 space anyway." "Bleh, takes longer than expected. That's not cool ! Let's go back to mining." "Aaarghh. Evil BoB knocks on our door again and tries to grab our space ! Evil chea... Why are they allowed to do this ?" ___________ Muuuhhh !!!
Xade Caldari K.T.P	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Well BoB's killboard says otherwise who is spreading the propoganda now ?
darth solo Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:27:00 - [30] the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. d solo. celes apoc new kilboard
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:27:00 - [31] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Well considering people from your side post when they kill alone carrier then in conparison 6 dreads is quite a big thing :) Out of interest what was going on here? Fitted Lo Type : Expanded Cargohold II Quantity : 1 Btw how's the razor Fcing going?
Manoxtra Gallente Helios Incorporated	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:28:00 - [32] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Yeah theres rumor BOB is collapsing? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Shufo ([email protected])
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:36:00 - [33] Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. In that case the coalition has to blame only themselves/their mates, if they don't win this. Would be a bit rediculous: "Hah, let's all go kill evil BoB ! They don't deserve their 0.0 space anyway." "Bleh, takes longer than expected. That's not cool ! Let's go back to mining." "Aaarghh. Evil BoB knocks on our door again and tries to grab our space ! Evil chea... Why are they allowed to do this ?" was inevitable tbh coalition seems to lack effective overall command and control, apart from being able to put together a once-a-month uber-blob which makes their peens feel better which is a shame... would have been fun to watch a well co-ordinated force.... rather than the current 'lambs to the slaughter' ----------
Zaratuul Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:46:00 - [34] Originally by: darth solo the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. d solo. Yeah... like you won/achieved anything in eve since 2003...
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:06:00 - [35] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar How about making alliance tickers mandatory in CAOD, this is to benefit both sides btw Could not agree more, It would make this part of the forum much better. So you want to join us?
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:32:00 - [36] People wanted a battle report so here it is. I was on cyno duty as my cap was like 3 jumps out during this (:/), so I spent my time listening to what was going on among reports on TS. There are some fraps around also. The call went out that there were 6 dreads with little support shooting a PoS in H74, so we answered. We rounded up some support and dreads. We were asked to bring our 20-30ish support gang of mostly tacklers close to H74 and keep our dreads on standby. BoB was going to JB in their support fleet as well as a MS and carrier they had. We sent in our support and like brave little lemmings they started tackling. I'm not sure where the northern support is at this point, but they obviously didn't turn the tide of what was to come. The JB opened, and our dreads jumped in. One after the other the dreads go down. Rejoice. Because of our valliant service as bob pets molle gave us a wavier for 100mil of the 1billion Trit we are supposed to mine for BoB each month to live in their space. We still have to mine the same amount of pye however.
Raeff Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:39:00 - [37] Edited by: Raeff on 09/04/2007 13:41:46 nm it will probably only start a flame - deleted
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.09 13:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Troubadour Because of our valliant service as bob pets molle gave us a wavier for 100mil of the 1billion Trit we are supposed to mine for BoB each month to live in their space. We still have to mine the same amount of pye however. Oi! back to the belts with you. I didn't give you permission to read Eve-O while cycling your miners. I'm doubling your quota of veldspar for this week. Small correction to Troub's report though, the BoB fleet jump-bridges directly on top of the enemy dreads, friendly Exuro capital forces cynoed in separately but immediately afterward. Any claims of lag on the Coalition's capital side is utter falsehood, as proven by a few kills on the BoB killboard, and Exuro's own logs of taking fire from every single hostile dread pilot - to the point where one Naglfar began taking fire before even getting a lock on the hostiles. Travling, you and your buddies can claim lag all you wish, but you're not fooling anyone.
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:01:00 - [39] Originally by: Righteous Fury Travling, you and your buddies can claim lag all you wish, For ease of use please just use the template below. It has all your standard excuses and witty retorts in one convenient location. I lost MY ship because... - You are haxxing bastards [ ] - Lag [ ] - OMG blobbers [ ] - CTD [ ] - Weird bug (never happened before!) [ ] - Drunk [ ] - Stoned [ ] - Nekkid [ ] - All three of the above [ ] But it's OK - We'll keep fighting the evil cheats [ ] - If you take the losses and divide them by our member count and apply fuzzy logic we MADE ISK this time! [ ] - I can make that ISK back in xxx time [ ] - It may look bad but THEY never post their losses. [ ] - We lost this one but meh, it's only 6 dreads. The other day on a joint op we killed a CARRIER [ ]
shivan Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:05:00 - [40] Well done to BoB and everything for killing another 6 dreads, but uhm, it's not really on the same scale as the dread kills they got when The Collation attacked their Cap ship yard POS now is it? Come back when you have something worthwhile to post about please. ------------------ RAM KB
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:20:00 - [41] Originally by: shivan Well done to BoB and everything for killing another 6 dreads, but uhm, it's not really on the same scale as the dread kills they got when The Collation attacked their Cap ship yard POS now is it? Come back when you have something worthwhile to post about please. Nobody that was actually there started this thread. I guess the OP saw the BoB killboard and just wants to know what happened, along with others. So we simply gave an account of what happened. Perhaps it's not as much as 42 dreads dying but how often does that happen? 6 still is enough to make people go "WTF HAPPENED OMG I WANT TO KNOW!" obviously.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Troubadour Originally by: shivan Well done to BoB and everything for killing another 6 dreads, but uhm, it's not really on the same scale as the dread kills they got when The Collation attacked their Cap ship yard POS now is it? Come back when you have something worthwhile to post about please. Nobody that was actually there started this thread. I guess the OP saw the BoB killboard and just wants to know what happened, along with others. So we simply gave an account of what happened. Perhaps it's not as much as 42 dreads dying but how often does that happen? 6 still is enough to make people go "WTF HAPPENED OMG I WANT TO KNOW!" obviously. I think the OP was there, but this ain't his main, need more guts?
Troubadour Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:39:00 - [43] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Troubadour Originally by: shivan Well done to BoB and everything for killing another 6 dreads, but uhm, it's not really on the same scale as the dread kills they got when The Collation attacked their Cap ship yard POS now is it? Come back when you have something worthwhile to post about please. Nobody that was actually there started this thread. I guess the OP saw the BoB killboard and just wants to know what happened, along with others. So we simply gave an account of what happened. Perhaps it's not as much as 42 dreads dying but how often does that happen? 6 still is enough to make people go "WTF HAPPENED OMG I WANT TO KNOW!" obviously. I think the OP was there, but this ain't his main, need more guts? tinfoil-hattery 4tl.
Dal Thrax Caldari Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:41:00 - [44] Originally by: Queen News I have no doubt that these alliances losing capital ships like this can afford to replace a few dreads here and there. But when you add up the 6-10 dreads a week, and the 40-50 dreads they lost a week or two ago. It adds up fast, I don't care how many alliances and corps it involves. But the question I wonder more about is why does BoB never seem to lose there capital ships like this. Seems to me the coalition needs to do some traps of there own. Hum, IRON, RAZOR, OHGOD(GOONS), RA, D2, MM, -A-,IAC + others. Lets figure that each alliance is capable to building 4 dreads per week. 8 * 4 = 32. Assuming that my figures aren't badly off and that each group can keep 4 dreads a week up indefiinately . . . we're going to need a couple big cap ship battles before this war is settled. Dal Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed. delaying startup again. soon as i have time i will fill you in on the details
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:10:00 - [45] Op starts on Saturday at approx 0200 Eve time. IRON command organizes fleet, making sure that known spies are in strategic places in the command structure. Morsis Mihi FC is placed in command of the battleships. A lot of misdirection and running the fleet around in circles is done for a while. Support was really on the ball as they caught 2 covert ops tails and who knows how many tech I and interceptor tails. we arrive in H-74, where we are told that we are anchoring a friendly POS, and that BoB is looking to kick us out. Intel is shifty, as our MM FC is having trouble understanding the accent of some of IRONs scouts. We spend 5 mins jumping from station to gate to gate ect... We get word that the worst possible tactical situation has happened. BoB/Fix/ISS has loaded onto the grid with our baby POS in range with multiple carrier support. We warp in against 3:2 odds. My screen freezes for a bit. I nervously watch gang chat, the x's for having successfully loaded the grid are few and far between. Suddenly, my screen starts to twitch, I x in gang thinking that at least I have 2 targets on my overview. Targets are called, I thank my lucky stars I had switched my overview to Just BS's and BC's earlier, I don't have long range crystals loaded, so I help the support out as I try and change crystals out one at a time. We manage to cyno 1 carrier in so we aren't completely without capital support. It cyno's in 10km from a tempest that has managed to jump in and out about 3 times. Because of the quick nature of the fight, we don't have the option of warp out points. It is so laggy that most BS's don't even attempt to align out, they just stand and shoot. finally the overview starts to clear. they aren't warping in and out anymore. There carriers managed to get out in the confusion of battle. IRON/MM/FREEE holds the field, wrecks litter the battlefield, and they are almost all BoB/Fix/ISS. The arping in/out had killed them, it saved them the first time, but our FC had quickly realized that once they warped back in, they would be cripple by the same load in lag we had suffered for the first 15-20 secs. He did an excellent job of remembering who had warped out in low armor/structure, and recalled them as soon as they popped up. Even though Coalition fleets have to cripple there setups by having to tank multiple types of DD, because our pilots were willing to lose a ship for the team, our guns were actually running the entire fight, instead of being in warp/loading a POS. The fight crushed resistance that night. I never saw another hostile, when support/BS were called in to slap around a Lareg POS while the dreads worked on another, I fell asleep at the keyboard. MY Battlshipe stayed at that hostile POS for 5 hours until downtime, and It was there when I logged back in in the morning. Sunday morning action in H74 was light, with lots of prairie dogging by the defenders. Orange species managed to cyno in/DD/cyno out in less than a minute, snagging 2 BS's and 6 support in the afternoon. He missed me by 2 secs. Support slowly dwindled during the afternoon and night as people had to eat, and unlike cap ship pilots, couldn't simply cyno out and hand over there ship to a replacement. a relief force was started and formed, but BoB beat it to H-74. Fact is that the coalition, esp the IRON/MM/Pure/Freee front will continue to throw capitals at f-t scenarios to keep BoB from getting more titans. why you ask? Because why BoB engages us without multiple supercapitals to back them up, even when they outnumber us, the engaements tend to go very much in our favor.
Jim Linger Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:16:00 - [46] Expanded cargohold?! WHY? _____________________________________________ Discussing moderation is a no-no - Tirg
Shirei Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:21:00 - [47] Originally by: Jim Linger Expanded cargohold?! WHY? It is called 'Revelation doesn't have enough cargo space for jumping back+forth to this system and 5-6 siege cycles' I suppose. Saves the hassle of having to refuel from carriers.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:27:00 - [48] Originally by: Audri Fisher ... Because why BoB engages us without multiple supercapitals to back them up, even when they outnumber us, the engaements tend to go very much in our favor.[/i] OMG, LOL. Just LOL. Can I have some of the stuff you are smoking?
Nymos Haiduken Industries	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:28:00 - [49] i think that's what causes so much lag on the server: all the peepers refreshing the map every half a minute to see if a red blob in 0.0 as become brighter red and if it exceeds 20 kills in the last hour make a post on it.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:41:00 - [50] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/04/2007 15:37:43 Originally by: Nymos i think that's what causes so much lag on the server: all the peepers refreshing the map every half a minute to see if a red blob in 0.0 as become brighter red and if it exceeds 20 kills in the last hour make a post on it. That's why BoB's killboard keeps crashing . Since there's no "Coalition killboard", everyone not involved in the war who wants to know what's going on constantly refreshes BoB's kills and loss pages to look for big red bolded mails hoping that a big capital ship fight is going on --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio (back up, new address!)
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Jim Linger Expanded cargohold?! WHY? Lol what an idiot. I wish i could come up with pwn setups like that Manlove by Zaphod Jones
nickky01 The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Well considering people from your side post when they kill alone carrier then in conparison 6 dreads is quite a big thing :) Out of interest what was going on here? Fitted Lo Type : Expanded Cargohold II Quantity : 1 Btw how's the razor Fcing going? a better question is when's the MC killboard gonna be back up :( :(
Dominixa Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:52:00 - [53] Originally by: Audri Fisher Fact is that the coalition, esp the IRON/MM/Pure/Freee front will continue to throw capitals at f-t scenarios to keep BoB from getting more titans. why you ask? Because why BoB engages us without multiple supercapitals to back them up, even when they outnumber us, the engaements tend to go very much in our favor. So there was a Titan in said seiged pos?
Sivona Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:54:00 - [54] Originally by: nickky01 Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Well considering people from your side post when they kill alone carrier then in conparison 6 dreads is quite a big thing :) Out of interest what was going on here? Fitted Lo Type : Expanded Cargohold II Quantity : 1 Btw how's the razor Fcing going? a better question is when's the MC killboard gonna be back up :( :( Its back up but private, seems the 2 month result post didn't do it favours and we need to find a new host for it. As soon as that happens i'm sure it'll be public again.
Izzy Pol Fear and Loathing in LoneTrek	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Jim Linger Expanded cargohold?! WHY? Lol what an idiot. I wish i could come up with pwn setups like that Despite the fact that dreads have large cargo bays its easily eaten up with isotopes, stront and ammo. If you don't have 4/4/4 skills you need more still. Most dread fleets should have carriers to refuel you but if you want to take a shortcut fit an expander. It's good for a giggle but he woulda died anyway I'm sure.
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:58:00 - [56] Edited by: Fornacis on 09/04/2007 15:55:48 Edited by: Fornacis on 09/04/2007 15:55:22 Great Scott! I died in an epic battle, and didn't know it......may the tales of our deeds be whispered upon the lips of bards for an eternity....or until Revelations 2.
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Well considering people from your side post when they kill alone carrier then in conparison 6 dreads is quite a big thing :) Out of interest what was going on here? Fitted Lo Type : Expanded Cargohold II Quantity : 1 Btw how's the razor Fcing going? the reason i fit one is the freaking cargo room in my dread didn't suffice for what i needed. More jump fuel stront ect that **** is heavy.
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:11:00 - [58] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Troubadour Because of our valliant service as bob pets molle gave us a wavier for 100mil of the 1billion Trit we are supposed to mine for BoB each month to live in their space. We still have to mine the same amount of pye however. Oi! back to the belts with you. I didn't give you permission to read Eve-O while cycling your miners. I'm doubling your quota of veldspar for this week. Small correction to Troub's report though, the BoB fleet jump-bridges directly on top of the enemy dreads, friendly Exuro capital forces cynoed in separately but immediately afterward. Any claims of lag on the Coalition's capital side is utter falsehood, as proven by a few kills on the BoB killboard, and Exuro's own logs of taking fire from every single hostile dread pilot - to the point where one Naglfar began taking fire before even getting a lock on the hostiles. Travling, you and your buddies can claim lag all you wish, but you're not fooling anyone. Wow u are so ubber the u can explain packet hops and losses when u guys jump in lol my packet loss when u guys started to jump in went from 0.05% to 13% and my ping time went form 124ms to around 1000ms. Would u like me to post my packet logs so u can examine them???? :)
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:19:00 - [59] Originally by: Izzy Pol Originally by: Righteous Fury Travling, you and your buddies can claim lag all you wish, For ease of use please just use the template below. It has all your standard excuses and witty retorts in one convenient location. I lost MY ship because... - You are haxxing bastards [ ] - Lag [ ] - OMG blobbers [ ] - CTD [ ] - Weird bug (never happened before!) [ ] - Drunk [ ] - Stoned [ ] - Nekkid [ ] - All three of the above [ ] But it's OK - We'll keep fighting the evil cheats [ ] - If you take the losses and divide them by our member count and apply fuzzy logic we MADE ISK this time! [ ] - I can make that ISK back in xxx time [ ] - It may look bad but THEY never post their losses. [ ] - We lost this one but meh, it's only 6 dreads. The other day on a joint op we killed a CARRIER [ ] i died fair enough but y point me out in this. I lost my dread and im in a new one. Hopefully i will kills somebody today to prove this point. Does it really matter how many we loose as long as we bring more to the fight after. When I stop brining cap ships to the fight then flame me. As for the bob haxploit dev help thing. If somebody sleeps with your wife are u gonna believe him when he says he didn't sleep with your friends wife?? No. So bob got caught cheating are people going to believe them when they say that they arn't cheating anymore?? NO. Now if u want to smack me or whatever then plz do it ingame maybe in local cause it seems the people that do say something to me are never in the fights that i have been in maybe i just dont see u in system so smack me in local so i know u where there. Anyway have fun fly safe ect.....
Borg017 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:25:00 - [60] Originally by: darth solo the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. I think it's more about coordination. The coaltion needs a series of coordinated attacks. This way, BoB can only respond to some of the attacks. They have the number advantage but no organization. I'm still suprised that D2 can't handle Xelas+friends. I don't see how after all this time, they haven't taken the XS station in fountains. Hit BoB where it hurts....obviously not their balls....their pets. -----------------------------------------------
MINSuicide MINSuicide Corp inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:27:00 - [61] I'm sure this is in no way a loss for the northern nubsolution gangbangers.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:33:00 - [62] Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: darth solo the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. I think it's more about coordination. The coaltion needs a series of coordinated attacks. This way, BoB can only respond to some of the attacks. They have the number advantage but no organization. I'm still suprised that D2 can't handle Xelas+friends. I don't see how after all this time, they haven't taken the XS station in fountains. Hit BoB where it hurts....obviously not their balls....their pets. This is not a flame to D2, but tbh there is little D2 in fountain. I thought all the D2 went home to defend its space, but when we went up there, thats not the case either. I dont know what there current plan of attack is. Sparta and Snigg on the other hand are in fountain daily. We had a great battle with them yesterday in G95, had to drop 11 carriers on them to make them go away lol.
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:33:00 - [63] this guys a 1 day old noob....bob alts trying to bring attention to their killboard...how sad -------------------------------------------
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:59:00 - [64] Originally by: Travling Wow u are so ubber the u can explain packet hops and losses when u guys jump in lol my packet loss when u guys started to jump in went from 0.05% to 13% and my ping time went form 124ms to around 1000ms. Would u like me to post my packet logs so u can examine them???? :) JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS BOBS FAULT. THIS WOULD BE CCP'S FAULT FOR NOT THINKING JUMP PORTALS THROUGH AND ECT. I AM NOT SAYING BOB HAX PLOIT . had to clear that up got like 11 billion eve-mails about how we gonna die an ubber slow death ect. So wait, you're upset about ONE SECOND (1000ms = 1 second) module activation lag....with 145 people in local, at a defending POS, with active cyno fields and missiles flying? Wow. I experienced the EXACT same thing, but I guess you haven't realized that a bit of lag is unavoidable in fleet fights.
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 18:02:00 - [65] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Travling Wow u are so ubber the u can explain packet hops and losses when u guys jump in lol my packet loss when u guys started to jump in went from 0.05% to 13% and my ping time went form 124ms to around 1000ms. Would u like me to post my packet logs so u can examine them???? :) JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS BOBS FAULT. THIS WOULD BE CCP'S FAULT FOR NOT THINKING JUMP PORTALS THROUGH AND ECT. I AM NOT SAYING BOB HAX PLOIT . had to clear that up got like 11 billion eve-mails about how we gonna die an ubber slow death ect. So wait, you're upset about ONE SECOND (1000ms = 1 second) module activation lag....with 145 people in local, at a defending POS, with active cyno fields and missiles flying? Wow. I experienced the EXACT same thing, but I guess you haven't realized that a bit of lag is unavoidable in fleet fights. dude the packet loss is what gets me not the 1 sec lag
Blake O'Reilly	Posted - 2007.04.09 18:44:00 - [66] Edited by: Blake O''Reilly on 09/04/2007 18:40:33 Edit: oops wrong board.
Moonlight Express Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.09 18:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Travling Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Travling Wow u are so ubber the u can explain packet hops and losses when u guys jump in lol my packet loss when u guys started to jump in went from 0.05% to 13% and my ping time went form 124ms to around 1000ms. Would u like me to post my packet logs so u can examine them???? :) JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS BOBS FAULT. THIS WOULD BE CCP'S FAULT FOR NOT THINKING JUMP PORTALS THROUGH AND ECT. I AM NOT SAYING BOB HAX PLOIT . had to clear that up got like 11 billion eve-mails about how we gonna die an ubber slow death ect. So wait, you're upset about ONE SECOND (1000ms = 1 second) module activation lag....with 145 people in local, at a defending POS, with active cyno fields and missiles flying? Wow. I experienced the EXACT same thing, but I guess you haven't realized that a bit of lag is unavoidable in fleet fights. dude the packet loss is what gets me not the 1 sec lag If thatÆs what bothers you then maybe you should surrender and go home now, because itÆs not going to get any better. What are you going to complain about when coalition brings 1K+ people to attack the next BoB ship yard? Why is it that coalition always complains about lag when they lose a fight but have no issue with lag when their train lags out systems and crash nodes? IÆm yet to see a BoB post complaining about lag. Why is that?
FireFox McProwler Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 18:53:00 - [68] Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: darth solo the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. I think it's more about coordination. The coaltion needs a series of coordinated attacks. This way, BoB can only respond to some of the attacks. They have the number advantage but no organization. I'm still suprised that D2 can't handle Xelas+friends. I don't see how after all this time, they haven't taken the XS station in fountains. Hit BoB where it hurts....obviously not their balls....their pets. This is not a flame to D2, but tbh there is little D2 in fountain. I thought all the D2 went home to defend its space, but when we went up there, thats not the case either. I dont know what there current plan of attack is. Sparta and Snigg on the other hand are in fountain daily. We had a great battle with them yesterday in G95, had to drop 11 carriers on them to make them go away lol. Give it a few months and they will be defending empire once again.
Fornacis Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 18:54:00 - [69] I think CCP are doing a helluva job keeping EvE in one shard...but the fact is until technology catches up with CCP's vision, then we will all have to deal with lag. Why some ppl get lag and some others don't? Who knows...luck of the dice? CCP can strip everything out of the game in this "need for speed", but I'm afraid the lag will still be there. I do wish them luck because I know that everyone would love to experience seamless fleet vs fleet action...I know I would. The op in H74 from a soldier's standpoint was fun. We talked, had laughs in TS wilst trying to reinforce some POS's. We knew Bob had a Titan or two lurking about, but the jump bridge into local was a nice tactic. The system seemed pretty stable for me up into warping into the grid. I awoke in station before screen loaded, but no worries. The misses was feeling frisky anyways. :) Noone likes to see Dreads go down make no mistake, but we are hell bent on our mission.
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 19:15:00 - [70] Originally by: Moonlight Express Originally by: Travling Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Travling Wow u are so ubber the u can explain packet hops and losses when u guys jump in lol my packet loss when u guys started to jump in went from 0.05% to 13% and my ping time went form 124ms to around 1000ms. Would u like me to post my packet logs so u can examine them???? :) JUST TO MAKE THIS CLEAR I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS BOBS FAULT. THIS WOULD BE CCP'S FAULT FOR NOT THINKING JUMP PORTALS THROUGH AND ECT. I AM NOT SAYING BOB HAX PLOIT . had to clear that up got like 11 billion eve-mails about how we gonna die an ubber slow death ect. So wait, you're upset about ONE SECOND (1000ms = 1 second) module activation lag....with 145 people in local, at a defending POS, with active cyno fields and missiles flying? Wow. I experienced the EXACT same thing, but I guess you haven't realized that a bit of lag is unavoidable in fleet fights. dude the packet loss is what gets me not the 1 sec lag If thatÆs what bothers you then maybe you should surrender and go home now, because itÆs not going to get any better. What are you going to complain about when coalition brings 1K+ people to attack the next BoB ship yard? Why is it that coalition always complains about lag when they lose a fight but have no issue with lag when their train lags out systems and crash nodes? IÆm yet to see a BoB post complaining about lag. Why is that? just explaining my actions tbh nothing to do with complaining. Ill be there every fight every night till i run outta isk. If u gonna say something to me about a fight atleast be there.
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 20:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Pain Haemorrhage I keep reading posts like this from coalition members in response to threads / battlereports about them loosing. Although I do prefer them to " omg bob cheaters / haxors " and so on I cant help to wonder when they are going to stop. The simple fact so far, is that in the 2 months? since this war of the coaltion against the alliance started as far as I can tell, apart from when the 9 bob dreads were killed in c3- there has not been one notable, decisive victory against bob led forces dealt by the coalition. Nope, the Coalition hasn't scored a single notable victory against the Alliance forces, except killing an LV Titan, destroying a big part of the LV Capital Fleet (Carriers and Dreadnaughts), taking all LV stations, killing dozens of Alliance Dreadnaughts and Carriers, often in smaller engagements (another 3 FIX Carriers died to Coalition forces in Querious last week). I can't speak for the other Coalition alliances, but for IRON there simply is no other choice then to fight BoB. IRON was formed to one day take part in the big war against BoB, it has been our main reason of existance for two years, we simply can't go back to Deklein before the job is done. And I'm sure this counts for a lot of people in the other alliances as well, and that's where the 'we don't matter how much we lose, we won't give up' attitude comes from. Whatever side backs out of this conflict with isk spare in their wallet or ships in their hangar will become the laughing stock for the victors and much of EvE. In that way we're all forced to fight to the bitter end, and 6 Dread losses, even 50 Dread losses are nothing compared with the total loss count on both sides when this war is over. The Alliance has lost ships and Capitals, the Coalition has lost ships and Capitals, and both can go on for a long while to come.
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.09 20:43:00 - [72] Originally by: Habraka Originally by: Pain Haemorrhage I keep reading posts like this from coalition members in response to threads / battlereports about them loosing. Although I do prefer them to " omg bob cheaters / haxors " and so on I cant help to wonder when they are going to stop. The simple fact so far, is that in the 2 months? since this war of the coaltion against the alliance started as far as I can tell, apart from when the 9 bob dreads were killed in c3- there has not been one notable, decisive victory against bob led forces dealt by the coalition. Nope, the Coalition hasn't scored a single notable victory against the Alliance forces, except killing an LV Titan, destroying a big part of the LV Capital Fleet (Carriers and Dreadnaughts), taking all LV stations, killing dozens of Alliance Dreadnaughts and Carriers, often in smaller engagements (another 3 FIX Carriers died to Coalition forces in Querious last week). I can't speak for the other Coalition alliances, but for IRON there simply is no other choice then to fight BoB. IRON was formed to one day take part in the big war against BoB, it has been our main reason of existance for two years, we simply can't go back to Deklein before the job is done. And I'm sure this counts for a lot of people in the other alliances as well, and that's where the 'we don't matter how much we lose, we won't give up' attitude comes from. Whatever side backs out of this conflict with isk spare in their wallet or ships in their hangar will become the laughing stock for the victors and much of EvE. In that way we're all forced to fight to the bitter end, and 6 Dread losses, even 50 Dread losses are nothing compared with the total loss count on both sides when this war is over. The Alliance has lost ships and Capitals, the Coalition has lost ships and Capitals, and both can go on for a long while to come. Well unless the advance into the north is stopped soon, there might not be a Deklein to go back to for IRON. -----
General Windypops Gallente Skullduggery Inc	Posted - 2007.04.09 20:54:00 - [73] Originally by: Habraka Originally by: Pain Haemorrhage Nope, the Coalition hasn't scored a single notable victory against the Alliance forces, except killing an LV Titan, destroying a big part of the LV Capital Fleet (Carriers and Dreadnaughts), taking all LV stations, killing dozens of Alliance Dreadnaughts and Carriers, often in smaller engagements (another 3 FIX Carriers died to Coalition forces in Querious last week). Let's clarify. You killed an embryonic Titan in very suspicious circumstances that made many wonder about the impartiality of the system management. You have also lost many many many many more Dreads and Carriers than you have taken out. Many of your comrades (D2 for example) even took down their killboards to conceal their epic losses. Your comrades are now even DDing their own corpmates. If that's victory, I'd rather be on the losing side. Personally, however, I believe that you know in your heart that you're getting an epic spanking.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 21:08:00 - [74] Originally by: Jim Linger Expanded cargohold?! WHY? Hey, at least it was t2. coughRANyxcough --P
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.04.09 21:29:00 - [75] Edited by: Brunswick2 on 09/04/2007 21:26:14 meh, nm
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.04.09 21:45:00 - [76] Originally by: Pilk Originally by: Jim Linger Expanded cargohold?! WHY? Hey, at least it was t2. coughRANyxcough --P i'm guessing he wanted more space for stront? ---------- They stole my sig :(
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 21:46:00 - [77] Originally by: FireFox McProwler Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: darth solo the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. I think it's more about coordination. The coaltion needs a series of coordinated attacks. This way, BoB can only respond to some of the attacks. They have the number advantage but no organization. I'm still suprised that D2 can't handle Xelas+friends. I don't see how after all this time, they haven't taken the XS station in fountains. Hit BoB where it hurts....obviously not their balls....their pets. This is not a flame to D2, but tbh there is little D2 in fountain. I thought all the D2 went home to defend its space, but when we went up there, thats not the case either. I dont know what there current plan of attack is. Sparta and Snigg on the other hand are in fountain daily. We had a great battle with them yesterday in G95, had to drop 11 carriers on them to make them go away lol. Give it a few months and they will be defending empire once again. You set yourself up for this one. Next time dont post with your main, so i dont have to point out the obvious irony. Linkage for anyone who doesnt remember. Now, please think before you smack.
DeathGrip Amarr Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 21:51:00 - [78] Originally by: Jin Steele Originally by: FireFox McProwler Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: darth solo the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. I think it's more about coordination. The coaltion needs a series of coordinated attacks. This way, BoB can only respond to some of the attacks. They have the number advantage but no organization. I'm still suprised that D2 can't handle Xelas+friends. I don't see how after all this time, they haven't taken the XS station in fountains. Hit BoB where it hurts....obviously not their balls....their pets. This is not a flame to D2, but tbh there is little D2 in fountain. I thought all the D2 went home to defend its space, but when we went up there, thats not the case either. I dont know what there current plan of attack is. Sparta and Snigg on the other hand are in fountain daily. We had a great battle with them yesterday in G95, had to drop 11 carriers on them to make them go away lol. Give it a few months and they will be defending empire once again. You set yourself up for this one. Next time dont post with your main, so i dont have to point out the obvious irony. Linkage for anyone who doesnt remember. Now, please think before you smack. Still dosnt change what he said. -A- beat us, not like we have not said it 100 times before. If memory serves me right, Iron has went through some drastic changes as well. So maybe you should think before you smack as well.
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 21:58:00 - [79] Originally by: Jin Steele You set yourself up for this one. Next time dont post with your main, so i dont have to point out the obvious irony. Linkage for anyone who doesnt remember. Now, please think before you smack. DDC has an office in P-2TTL, in a former "unstoppable surprise-sex-train" station in Pure Blind. So even if you ignore the entire next paragraph of what I'm about to say, results speak louder than smack. As to AXE, we seem to have come out the better for our little stopover in Empire; we've been having the fights of our lives for the last 3 weeks, solid. In the time since we left Impass, we've taken down two Revelations on two AXE-only ops, and a Chimera, Thanatos, and twelve other carriers with various mixtures of Allied friends helping out. We have moved into PNQ, made ridiculous sums of isk off of officer and faction spawns, and generally been grinning like schoolkids who've been given the keys to the candy store. What I'm saying is, maybe you should give Empire a try for a week or two, once you realize who the superior fighting force is in this conflict. When you're done, maybe you can ask Xelas if you can live in their space, too. All it costs is a few billion Veldspar a month, last I heard. And even if you choose not to do so, I have a feeling the choice will be forced upon you. Soon. --P
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:01:00 - [80] Originally by: James Snowscoran Well unless the advance into the north is stopped soon, there might not be a Deklein to go back to for IRON. BoB has invaded Deklein before, that won't stop us. We would actually be happy to swap places and take the MC constellation for example, and enjoy all the complexes and nice spawns you guys have here. The north is a wasteland compared to the south in terms of isk making, it's not a difficult choice to make.
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:01:00 - [81] Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Sounds familiar. F-T anyone? Your mighty coalition sucks. ---------- "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcolm Wallace (Braveheart)
Travling Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:06:00 - [82] Originally by: Skrypt Originally by: Evenfall Phoenix Now I don't know about the Arrow Projects loss. But 6 dread losses spread out amongst 4 alliances hardly seems all that notworthy. Hell no one from the battles last night even bothered to post about how badly BoB and Fix had gotten spanked. But I guess the propoganda machine must go on. Sounds familiar. F-T anyone? Your mighty coalition sucks. At least we have a home still
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:10:00 - [83] Originally by: Travling At least we have a home still Tick tock.
Jin Steele Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:52:00 - [84] Originally by: Righteous Fury Originally by: Travling At least we have a home still Tick tock. Ding dong.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:00:00 - [85] Originally by: Skrypt Your mighty coalition sucks. So have LV got any space now, or are they still pirating in low sec damm...I am trolling...Flinx slaps himself ...ouch
Queen News Gallente Queen News Corp	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:06:00 - [86] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Skrypt Your mighty coalition sucks. So have LV got any space now, or are they still pirating in low sec damm...I am trolling...Flinx slaps himself ...ouch Dont worry, way it sounds and looks, you will be there soon to.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Momentum. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:09:00 - [87] Originally by: Queen News Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Skrypt Your mighty coalition sucks. So have LV got any space now, or are they still pirating in low sec damm...I am trolling...Flinx slaps himself ...ouch Dont worry, way it sounds and looks, you will be there soon to. Yeah, sure alt monkey Can MC confirm how many outposts they have captured?
Queen News Gallente Queen News Corp	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:11:00 - [88] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Queen News Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Skrypt Your mighty coalition sucks. So have LV got any space now, or are they still pirating in low sec damm...I am trolling...Flinx slaps himself ...ouch Dont worry, way it sounds and looks, you will be there soon to. Yeah, sure alt monkey Can MC confirm how many outposts they have captured? From what i hear, 1, with 2 more on the way within the week. Possibly 3.
ElweSingollo The Vanyar	Posted - 2007.04.10 01:08:00 - [89] Edited by: ElweSingollo on 10/04/2007 01:04:53 Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Jin Steele Originally by: FireFox McProwler Originally by: DeathGrip Originally by: Borg017 Originally by: darth solo the key to eve is by letting the enemy think they can win. You all need to bait BOB better.. attack pos structures and expect them to try and gank you, have a plan to counter the gank and use it, worst case senario is that they dont try and take you on and you kill the POS. after the first time they will be alot more cautious and maybe u can get more pos kills. its obvious that you can easilly outnumber BOB, use that to your advantage. I think it's more about coordination. The coaltion needs a series of coordinated attacks. This way, BoB can only respond to some of the attacks. They have the number advantage but no organization. I'm still suprised that D2 can't handle Xelas+friends. I don't see how after all this time, they haven't taken the XS station in fountains. Hit BoB where it hurts....obviously not their balls....their pets. This is not a flame to D2, but tbh there is little D2 in fountain. I thought all the D2 went home to defend its space, but when we went up there, thats not the case either. I dont know what there current plan of attack is. Sparta and Snigg on the other hand are in fountain daily. We had a great battle with them yesterday in G95, had to drop 11 carriers on them to make them go away lol. Give it a few months and they will be defending empire once again. You set yourself up for this one. Next time dont post with your main, so i dont have to point out the obvious irony. Linkage for anyone who doesnt remember. Now, please think before you smack. Still dosnt change what he said. -A- beat us, not like we have not said it 100 times before. If memory serves me right, Iron has went through some drastic changes as well. So maybe you should think before you smack as well. Same maybe goes for your member as basically that was what his comment was... CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.04.10 02:46:00 - [90] Originally by: Barkode Originally by: Kara Mori The thing is, these losses don't seem to be breaking Coalition spirit very much. Still, you can only lose so many decisive victories before you start to lose moral. Most of the rank and file coalition that I have talked with really just want to go back to doing what they were doing before the war. Alot of the guys on the front lines have been fighting a seemingly endless war since January and are getting bored. Thankyou for forming my opinion for me, i didnt realise my morale and wallet were so low until you told me so, i'd just LOVE to go back to carebearing as nothing gets me hotter than seeing the same **ty low qaulity guristas rats i see every day. Why cant we be friends.. why cant we be friends.... If you want to mess with us please at least post with your main, i'd believe a bob member saying you're losing over a 1 man corp member telling me the same... unless you're main is in a pet alliance that no one respects. Originally by:** Dr Cupid Let me tell you all that I'm really enjoying eve-beta, and can't wait for the real game to come out!
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.10 02:53:00 - [91] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Queen News Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Originally by: Skrypt Your mighty coalition sucks. So have LV got any space now, or are they still pirating in low sec damm...I am trolling...Flinx slaps himself ...ouch Dont worry, way it sounds and looks, you will be there soon to. Yeah, sure alt monkey Can MC confirm how many outposts they have captured? At this moment MC has captured one outpost. (P-2TTL) -
Helina Malinos Caldari Euro Traders	Posted - 2007.04.10 09:10:00 - [92] Flinx Evenstar- I pay as much as you to play this game so STFU unless I get a discount for not been in a alliance. 6 dreads is a significant loss since the coalition was only able to bring 8 in total so stop playing down the loss as the coalition has now lost more capitals in there failed attempts. GJ BoB, seems the coalition breaks have well and truley siezed.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 09:26:00 - [93] Originally by: Helina Malinos Flinx Evenstar- I pay as much as you to play this game so STFU unless I get a discount for not been in a alliance. You're an alt that auctions True Sansha and Dark Blood ratting obtained mods. Hmmm, wonder from where that comes from... Of course, you pay, everyone has this right, but should you be allowed to post? No, if you ask me. Whatever, by now, many forum readers that have what it takes to log and post with their rightful character have realized that people like you are a disease for this game and I hope they are taking appropriate measures. I wonder if CCP is doing something about this, because you not only disrespect players for in game behavior, but you also recur to out of the game considerations like racial referrals.
nickycakes Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:43:00 - [94] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar So have LV got any space now, or are they still pirating in low sec i'd suggest checking coalition killboards for info about that, but they mysteriously seem to go down when the losses start piling up i hear Rarely Outnumbered, Usually Outgunned, Never Outsmacked
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:11:00 - [95] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam snip - email us your suggestions about this, don't discuss it in threads as it's off-topic. -Ivan K Well Ivan, I'd email/evemail suggestions and details but what's the point of being discrete when nothing happens? I've already been sexually harassed via evemail by an ex LV member, now You What member who's name is Vasili *, I petitioned and nothing happened. I still see him connecting. I still have the evemail on my other character. What more proof does anyone want? You wanna help, please email/evemail me. It's off-topic, damn right it is, when it's on topic, you act like you don't care.
Sufjan Stevens Bauhaus Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:25:00 - [96] 6? is that all? they lost 46 last week

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