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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:34:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Fuujin
I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall.
Last time I went to 0.0 I tried to dock and was told that the alliance owning the station did not like me. 
Anyway I still did some PvP ended up in my pod. And had to ***** it myself cause I had no way of getting a new ship.
So, now I fight in empire space, I lose my ship, I go and get a new one. I win. You lose out on PvP.
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Templer Relleg
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:34:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: Templer Relleg
I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this  )
But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back. 
Question,
I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall.
You will see that people is attracted to.. well, people. This is simple social behaviour.
Same goes here.
Privateers is where the targets is.
Myself im sick and tired of pos warfare, large bubble camp blobby blobby blobby.
We dont pick random corps. Myself i have paid for, for instance, the goonswarm war lately, because they put up a good fight. That cost me 50mill out of my pocket. Why do i "waste" my money? For having a laugh.
Theres a crappy world of pvp beyond empire, yes. I dont need to say more.
How much fun do you have, when you sit gatecamping for 24 hours straight, to protect an EGG(Yummy, makes me all hungry)?
Or when your pos(Which is the worst feature ever in eve) comes out of reinforced, and your sitting there in your crap expensive t2 sniper ship, just waiting for a 200man fleet to warp in, and call it primary, you lag, and 2 minuts later you find yourself podded aswell, sitting in jita.
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Rick Thwaites
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:24:00 -
[33]
I have never been kiled by a privateer, but I have killed as one.
They are not that tough, they are rag tag and disorganized on an alliance level, but if you deal with peoplle like BYDI or some of the other very good PvP corps (not saying that they aren't good, but BYDI is *very* good), they will be organized on the corp level.
Try hunting down an alliance where everyone does their own thing, where the corps don't work together, just sometimes the members.
Hunting privs. can be fun, but to do it full time? I would rather self destruct, not that they will kill me, but that I will be bored out of my mind, not because they wouldn't engage (common misconception, they will engage), but because they are so far spread out, that you could never take them out like a conventional alliance.
Privs, keep making empire fun. Just take it easy when you see me! I was one! = D (well, so was my alt, too!).
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:20:00 -
[34]
Originally by: GimmeeThat
That would work IF they didn't dock at the first sign of any type of hostilities. This is why the hug the stations.
But please give it a shot, I am working them from the thieving angle. Roll an alt, follow them around, loot all the cans.
Good Luck!
Why let them hide in stations. They cant be there forever and an alliance about the same size would be able to keep tabs on them at all times.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:24:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Space Punk
Hi Newbie here.
I'm sure you all want to hear my goofy newbie take on this stuff. No? Oh, k well then I'll tell ya anyway.
I'm not sure what a privateer actually is. It conjures historically the image of a Edward Teach type, loosely funded and backed by the English to harass spanish shipping in the new world.
Somehow I don't think the spanish and english empires are big in EVE. Also I'm not exactly sure that the current game system in place allows say, the Ammarian NPC empire to start shelling money to harass Minmatar shipping.
So I really don't think we are talking about privateers here. That requires a bit the backing of a soveign nation and from what I can tell the nations in this game are mostly peaceful. Currently. Privateer sounds kinda legit. Maybe even a bit noble. Let's stop using that word maybe?
I think what you guys are really complaining about are simple pirates and thugs. These types are available, ready and willing, to play the bad guy in any mmo you could dream up.
But now having sorted out the terminology I'm still confused.
These guys attack you and you can't get away? A lot?
I know I sound kind of smarmy now with my learned discourse on Victorian age politics. But I'm seriously confused.
I've never been in 0.0 space. But I'm in .2-.4 a lot. I can't really help it. Those low-sec systems just always kind of get in my way.
So.. Concord won't help me correct? If somebody jumped me while mining in .2 and I didn't jump away in time I would be destroyed and looted correct?
So help me understand this more... From the pvp side. What exactly is the issue here? Being attacked when your on that 15km jag to the warp or station? Well CCP removed that so you can warp to 0km now.
Are you getting shot at when undocking? I had heard there was a 30 second invulnerability time when you unduck and jump in. I could be wrong on this but if that 30 seconds existed.. well makes it a bit hard.
I'm not saying it's impossible to be pvp by somebody but I think it's actually kind of difficult if you don't want to stick around. I mean obviously you can be extremely out-classed and but most of the time your going to have time to escape.
It reminds me a lot of animal planet. They usually don't show you how many times the lioness's failed to kill something when they set up a run against the wildabeast's.
I am betting that the pirate types fail way more than they succeed. I'm not saying they aren't a nuisance. I can see that they are.
However until their operations start to really mess up legitimate corp advancement on a large scale I don't see any kind of alliances being called together to combat them.
I think a better idea would be for you to join or start your own corp. Specifically so that you can have people around to help you. If your intention is to run a a lot of cargo through some dicey sectors.. Well you shouldn't expect some cute little alliance to form and do the work of covering your butt while you make money.
You are giving me an idea though. If I hadn't already joined a corp I think I would start a really small one. Just a couple of combat frigates with the idea of hiring out to traders who want escorts.
I bet that most privateers can't afford to deal with defended targets often. They are much happier finding the weak and sick in the herd and taking it down. Don't be the weak and sick. Get friends, employee's, or merc's.
I think the game is working as intended.
It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack.
How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine. |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:27:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Rick Thwaites
I have never been kiled by a privateer, but I have killed as one.
They are not that tough, they are rag tag and disorganized on an alliance level, but if you deal with peoplle like BYDI or some of the other very good PvP corps (not saying that they aren't good, but BYDI is *very* good), they will be organized on the corp level.
Try hunting down an alliance where everyone does their own thing, where the corps don't work together, just sometimes the members.
Hunting privs. can be fun, but to do it full time? I would rather self destruct, not that they will kill me, but that I will be bored out of my mind, not because they wouldn't engage (common misconception, they will engage), but because they are so far spread out, that you could never take them out like a conventional alliance.
Privs, keep making empire fun. Just take it easy when you see me! I was one! = D (well, so was my alt, too!).
If they have the same dangers as their targets, they will begin to do things differently.
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Lt Angus
Caldari
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:27:00 -
[37]
Down with privateers rabble rabble somthing bout sploits rabble rabble
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Infinity MKII
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:03:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Infinity MKII on 09/04/2007 23:01:22
Originally by: Fuujin
Originally by: Templer Relleg
I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this )
But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back.
Question,
I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall.
"In ecology, a niche is a term describing the relational position of a species or population in an ecosystem. More formally, the niche includes how a population responds to the abundance of its resources and enemies (e. g., by growing when resources are abundant, and predators, parasites and pathogens are scarce) and how it affects those same factors e.g., by reducing the abundance of resources through consumption and contributing to the population growth of enemies by falling prey to them). The abiotic or physical environment is part of the niche because it influences how populations affect, and are affected by, resources and enemies."
Reference
In other words, probably because they can and for them what they do equates to more fun then your method of gameplay.
Infinity Ziona
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Benco97
Gallente
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:06:00 -
[39]
I don't have a problem with the Privateers' actions.
They can carry on for all I care.
"MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum |
Deus Ex'Machina
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:26:00 -
[40]
It sux to be in a player corp huh ? It was YOUR CHOICE to leave the NPC CORP!
*snip* - Image not appropriate for eve-o forums - hutch
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Cheers Restaurant and Bar
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:30:00 -
[41]
Originally by: DeadRow
Originally by: Soulis
honestly privateers aren't "All that"
QFT.
Don't know why people cry about them all the time.
Because most players aren't "All that" either.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:30:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina
It sux to be in a player corp huh ? It was YOUR CHOICE to leave the NPC CORP!
so you are saying the solution is not an alliance but for everyone to stay in npc corps or go to 0.0 ?
Let me know when you get some fresh air...
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.04.10 02:11:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Komen
Originally by: Chribba
And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance?
I'm going to jump ahead several steps. You see, it's all CCP's fault that Privateers exist in the first place. They created Eve, they implemented wardecs, and they made the game PvP-focused.
Therefore, I hereby declare the Anti-CCP alliance. Dirty bastiches, the lot of 'em. Especially that Kieron fellow, never trusted him for a second.
So... you want... war on bob? Suprise. Its already underway.
The only people i see crying about privateers are carebears from jita saying that they are ruining the game Q_Q
I like the privateers, there are options for avoiding them, npc corps for example.
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flaming phantom
Minmatar
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.04.10 02:48:00 -
[44]
i like privateers. they declared war on one of my corps a long time ago in empire, and as mucyh as i was scared at the time, i thought it was fun in a sence. i eve tried a hand at pvp but i didnt ever end up running across them. empire isnt suppose to e 100% safe, so these guys are just doing ccp's dirty work imo, since this does happen to be a pvp game afterall
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Masta Killa
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.04.10 04:13:00 -
[45]
I have this magical answer against privateers.
They're noobs, hence they only stay in empire:
So go to 0.0 space and you'll never see them again.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.10 04:13:00 -
[46]
Originally by: flaming phantom
i like privateers. they declared war on one of my corps a long time ago in empire, and as mucyh as i was scared at the time, i thought it was fun in a sence. i eve tried a hand at pvp but i didnt ever end up running across them. empire isnt suppose to e 100% safe, so these guys are just doing ccp's dirty work imo, since this does happen to be a pvp game afterall
It is NOT a pvp game. There isn't a myriad of professions only to pvp. Although I can understand how you can see it that way if all YOU do is pvp.
If anyone really wants to get rid of privateers keep this thread up.
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PostWithYourMain
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Posted - 2007.04.10 04:17:00 -
[47]
Quote:
EVE is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced. A PVE game doesn't have to keep it's combat system in as balanced a state as a PVP game does (Don't take my word for it, you can read similar statements from other game designers of MMO's).
-Oveur
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Oddball
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.10 05:02:00 -
[48]
It seems to my ignorant noob self that Privateers are a meta-blob. And obviously they are good at what they do. As well, it isn't an exploit or a particularly new idea. So why all the annoyance? Does anyone here actually play the game?
I suppose, IMHO, that it's a case of adapt or... no, just adapt. Sorry.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.10 05:11:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Thread Winner on 10/04/2007 05:11:09
Originally by: Oddball
It seems to my ignorant noob self that Privateers are a meta-blob. And obviously they are good at what they do. As well, it isn't an exploit or a particularly new idea. So why all the annoyance? Does anyone here actually play the game?
I suppose, IMHO, that it's a case of adapt or... no, just adapt. Sorry.
The adapt argument is a I've got nothing better to say statement at best. Its used whenever differing parties (PvP/PvE) have nothing better to say to prove their points.
I support empire war I'm just saying the adapt argument always seems weak to me
Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers! |
Gilbert Drillerson
DarkStar 1
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.10 06:19:00 -
[50]
My main concern with Privateers is they eventually will end up war dec'ing every alliance and corp over a certain size, thereby effectively removing safe space for individual players. Fine, but if CCP wants this they may as well make all space 0.0, and i doubt that was the plan.
I live in 0.0 so I only move around empire very rarely, but it has struck me that many gates on the main travel routes and the hub-systems have privateer gangs camping. That makes it impossible for individual players to move around in empire without a significat escort. So we all make trader alts, but it is annoying and tbh I consider the privateer tactic to be meta gaming... if they want FFA, come to 0.0, and lets fight there. You know where i live :)
/Gil
Dont get mad - Get even |
SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.10 08:42:00 -
[51]
Originally by: PostWithYourMain
Quote:
EVE is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced. A PVE game doesn't have to keep it's combat system in as balanced a state as a PVP game does (Don't take my word for it, you can read similar statements from other game designers of MMO's).
-Oveur
It really does help to read the prefix when you try to decipher something that is clear.
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iinlin
Amarr
Captain Morgan Society
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 09:09:00 -
[52]
Originally by: SiJira
It's up to you and everyone else that wants it and will join you.
I am but a wee one so I cant organize this myself.
...
Your ship went boom? The remains of it probably put food on a poor privateers table, so you should feel good!
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.10 09:20:00 -
[53]
Edited by: SiJira on 10/04/2007 09:17:03
Originally by: iinlin
Originally by: SiJira
It's up to you and everyone else that wants it and will join you.
I am but a wee one so I cant organize this myself.
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Your ship went boom? The remains of it probably put food on a poor privateers table, so you should feel good!
I am in an npc corp, I havent encountered privateers nor have I realized they even exist before I read the threads here
read for once before you post in a thread that refers to the forums for its inspiration and clearly states so !
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MassonA
Caldari
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 09:49:00 -
[54]
you are speaking about the privateers as one entire entity but in truth its alot of corps, with completely different playstyles, but all with one common goal
dont knock it til you've tried it 
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iinlin
Amarr
Captain Morgan Society
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 09:55:00 -
[55]
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 10/04/2007 09:17:03
I am in an npc corp, I havent encountered privateers nor have I realized they even exist before I read the threads here
read for once before you post in a thread that refers to the forums for its inspiration and clearly states so !
So you play your game on the forums?
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Vannilla Venom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.10 10:27:00 -
[56]
Originally by: DragonRiderTao
Originally by: Space Punk
Hi Newbie here.
I'm sure you all want to hear my goofy newbie take on this stuff. No? Oh, k well then I'll tell ya anyway.
I'm not sure what a privateer actually is. It conjures historically the image of a Edward Teach type, loosely funded and backed by the English to harass spanish shipping in the new world.
Somehow I don't think the spanish and english empires are big in EVE. Also I'm not exactly sure that the current game system in place allows say, the Ammarian NPC empire to start shelling money to harass Minmatar shipping.
So I really don't think we are talking about privateers here. That requires a bit the backing of a soveign nation and from what I can tell the nations in this game are mostly peaceful. Currently. Privateer sounds kinda legit. Maybe even a bit noble. Let's stop using that word maybe?
I think what you guys are really complaining about are simple pirates and thugs. These types are available, ready and willing, to play the bad guy in any mmo you could dream up.
But now having sorted out the terminology I'm still confused.
These guys attack you and you can't get away? A lot?
I know I sound kind of smarmy now with my learned discourse on Victorian age politics. But I'm seriously confused.
I've never been in 0.0 space. But I'm in .2-.4 a lot. I can't really help it. Those low-sec systems just always kind of get in my way.
So.. Concord won't help me correct? If somebody jumped me while mining in .2 and I didn't jump away in time I would be destroyed and looted correct?
So help me understand this more... From the pvp side. What exactly is the issue here? Being attacked when your on that 15km jag to the warp or station? Well CCP removed that so you can warp to 0km now.
Are you getting shot at when undocking? I had heard there was a 30 second invulnerability time when you unduck and jump in. I could be wrong on this but if that 30 seconds existed.. well makes it a bit hard.
I'm not saying it's impossible to be pvp by somebody but I think it's actually kind of difficult if you don't want to stick around. I mean obviously you can be extremely out-classed and but most of the time your going to have time to escape.
It reminds me a lot of animal planet. They usually don't show you how many times the lioness's failed to kill something when they set up a run against the wildabeast's.
I am betting that the pirate types fail way more than they succeed. I'm not saying they aren't a nuisance. I can see that they are.
However until their operations start to really mess up legitimate corp advancement on a large scale I don't see any kind of alliances being called together to combat them.
I think a better idea would be for you to join or start your own corp. Specifically so that you can have people around to help you. If your intention is to run a a lot of cargo through some dicey sectors.. Well you shouldn't expect some cute little alliance to form and do the work of covering your butt while you make money.
You are giving me an idea though. If I hadn't already joined a corp I think I would start a really small one. Just a couple of combat frigates with the idea of hiring out to traders who want escorts.
I bet that most privateers can't afford to deal with defended targets often. They are much happier finding the weak and sick in the herd and taking it down. Don't be the weak and sick. Get friends, employee's, or merc's.
I think the game is working as intended.
It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack.
Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.10 10:51:00 -
[57]
Originally by: iinlin
Originally by: SiJira
Edited by: SiJira on 10/04/2007 09:17:03
I am in an npc corp, I havent encountered privateers nor have I realized they even exist before I read the threads here
read for once before you post in a thread that refers to the forums for its inspiration and clearly states so !
So you play your game on the forums?
You seem to imply that I care about privateers at all with your insults. My idea refers to the threads on these forums
to get people that talk so much about it to make a stand
if you will insult my intelligence again I wont even post to dignify your childish antics.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.10 10:54:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Vannilla Venom
It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack.
Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'?
How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back.
Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing)
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Vannilla Venom
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:33:00 -
[59]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Vannilla Venom
It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack.
Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'?
How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back.
Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing)
What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'?
Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:48:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Vannilla Venom
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: Vannilla Venom
It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack.
Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'?
How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back.
Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing)
What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'?
Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing?
Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get.
you draw the line on a case by case basis
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