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Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:50:00 - [61] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis Deserve griefing? isn't carebear phiolsophy Non Duelistic PVP = Rape? Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:58:00 - [62] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis Deserve griefing? isn't carebear phiolsophy Non Duelistic PVP = Rape? A smart corp will be able to avoid / escape a single war dec until its enemies become convinced that their targets are dull and will be in station forever. Anyone that pays a ransom - apart from situations where catastrophic consequences await if not payed (someones immediate death) - is asking to be dominated. making sure that the immediate consequences are real as well is smart In eve there is hardly a situation where the exception occurs.
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:16:00 - [63] I am a Privateer. As is common forum knowledge we do not want to engage you on even terms. So if I am the only one in local feel free to stay roaming around. Also as a Privateer I would never go into 0.0, so if you see me in your 0.0 system it must be a bug, please continue NPCing or whatever boring mindless stuff you do. Also, since I am a Privateer, I must be a noob and not know how to fight, feel free to engage one on one. Thank you for your time, I look forward to our continued business relationships. Ah damn, why did everyone dock or SS... ex-Occassus Republica <3
CaperPuts Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:34:00 - [64] But... when we do try to fight back, they just dock and have sex with each other in the station :(
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:44:00 - [65] Originally by: CaperPuts But... when we do try to fight back, they just dock and have sex with each other in the station :( ffs, if I ever catch anyone docking in this situation they will be out of the corp faster than they can say antidisestablishmentarism. No, the correct behavior in this situation is to jump from safespot to safespot while yelling at everyone in local about how uber the Privateers are and how pathetic you are. But I doubt that you have actually fought the Privateers anywhere but on these boards.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:51:00 - [66] I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:51:00 - [67] I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:54:00 - [68] Originally by: SiJira I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever. 9 out of 10 people in Privateers are alts. That's why most there will never be an anti-privateers alliance. Now shut up everyone.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:54:00 - [69] Originally by: SiJira I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever. 9 out of 10 people in Privateers are alts. That's why most there will never be an anti-privateers alliance. Now shut up everyone.
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.10 15:29:00 - [70] You may or may not like what priviter's are doing but hey are not breaking any game rules. Though I really would like to see a limit on the number of alliance wars that you can inituate. There are times when empire war is nessary, when your warring for assets or trying to break your enemy. But the PA wars serve no purpose in game terms. Also empire is used buy builders and mission runners, and it's used by people that work in 0.0 alot to come back to empire and rest up and explore other parts of the game. I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 21:51:00 - [71] Originally by: John Blackthorn You may or may not like what priviter's are doing but hey are not breaking any game rules. Though I really would like to see a limit on the number of alliance wars that you can inituate. There are times when empire war is nessary, when your warring for assets or trying to break your enemy. But the PA wars serve no purpose in game terms. Also empire is used buy builders and mission runners, and it's used by people that work in 0.0 alot to come back to empire and rest up and explore other parts of the game. I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John That is reason enough for extermination. I guess no one really wants to do it.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.10 21:53:00 - [72] Originally by: SiJira That is reason enough for extermination. I guess no one really wants to do it. Someone please kill this boring troll thread. Someone post tall-**** or something.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 00:09:00 - [73] Alright it is settled Privateers toot their own horn !
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 00:28:00 - [74] Originally by: SiJira Alright it is settled Privateers toot their own horn ! EVE-O = Privateers Didn't you get the memo? Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:14:00 - [75] Why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things?? Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:31:00 - [76] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things?? Your not on the mailing list. Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.04.11 03:01:00 - [77] Privateers are too good to be hunted. With the current game mechanics, you can't do damage to Privateers unless CCP changes the game mechanics to promote consentual PvP. Make war decs expensive and lock corps in war decs immediately for a week once they are declared. The 24 hours rule and leaving corp/alliance during war decs have to go. Lame war decs and griefing tactics are not making me enjoying eVe. It is so unsafe to undock with all griefers around. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Infinity MKII	Posted - 2007.04.11 03:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Privateers are too good to be hunted. With the current game mechanics, you can't do damage to Privateers unless CCP changes the game mechanics to promote consentual PvP. Make war decs expensive and lock corps in war decs immediately for a week once they are declared. The 24 hours rule and leaving corp/alliance during war decs have to go. Lame war decs and griefing tactics are not making me enjoying eVe. It is so unsafe to undock with all griefers around. By your choice, it is unsafe. And Jenny, your quite old and should know the mantra -> EvE is not supposed to be safe. There is no safe space. Empire is SAFER space. Yada Yada Yada. Disband your corporation, Leave your corporation. Leave your Alliance. End yourself. La~ Infinity Ziona
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 03:11:00 - [79] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Privateers are too good to be hunted. With the current game mechanics, you can't do damage to Privateers unless CCP changes the game mechanics to promote consentual PvP. Make war decs expensive and lock corps in war decs immediately for a week once they are declared. The 24 hours rule and leaving corp/alliance during war decs have to go. Lame war decs and griefing tactics are not making me enjoying eVe. It is so unsafe to undock with all griefers around. Who are you and what have you done with Jenny? and there is only one thing that can stop the privateers. . . and that is MC Hammer. Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:01:00 - [80] Edited by: Korizan on 11/04/2007 04:01:43 A interesting plea I don't see it happening. Was curious so decided to see who was on the privateer band wagon and how they stack up compared to other alliances. biggest 3596 Goonswarm 2000+ IAC(2358), Dusk and Dawn(2154), Band of Brothers(2002) 1000+ 12 more alliances 732-999 10 more alliances 731 Privateers So 731 registered in a New alliance the Controlling corp was created in Oct 2006. Privateers are not hurting for cash. They are even payed by other corps alliances to wage war for them. So you are fighting a group of people who have endless funds, no territory to defend and basically nothing to lose. They are also only interested in war so they will continue the wars as long as there is prey to be found. Most high sec people are only interested in occassional wars with time in between to bring assets back up. Others are in high sec to explore other parts of the the game, industry etc etc. So now the number of actual PVP people in high sec is actually rather small compared to its overall population. I am guessing all those PVP oriented corps were targeted first. But I bet there list of targets is narrowing quickly. I bet the number of people in NPC corps has gone up radically as well. As it is a simple fact that for the most part being in a corp in high sec is a matter of convenience and pride and nothing more. Before Priveeters there were other alliances that there sole purpose was to attack other alliances and make them collapse. It would not surprise me if it is happening now. Attacking the privateers is only giving them what they want a fight. And keep in mind they have nothing to lose and most likely have a much bigger bank account then you to promote those wars. But they are starting to become old news wondering what tomorrows big story will be....
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Korizan wondering what tomorrows big story will be.... Innominate Nightmares body found in an Ice Mass Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:10:00 - [82] Originally by: Korizan So you are fighting a group of people who have endless funds, no territory to defend and basically nothing to lose. They are also only interested in war so they will continue the wars as long as there is prey to be found. Attacking the privateers is only giving them what they want a fight. And keep in mind they have nothing to lose and most likely have a much bigger bank account then you to promote those wars. But they are starting to become old news wondering what tomorrows big story will be.... By attacking them, no matter if it is what they want or not. They wont be able to have 1 guy harassing countless single guys (not pvp setups) I am also sure their funds are not endless. If they become even less efficient than what they are now (disorganized rabble), then many of their funds might dry up. They might "enjoy" the anti-privateers. They definitely will have less time to pursue non-pvp targets. So it will be a success if they decide to fight back. Or not. Besides I made this thread using other threads as cause for action. I already said that most of the whines were probably privateers alts just spreading the word.
MIa Bonet	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:11:00 - [83] People have different playstyles and many like to just do carebear stuff in empire and pertain to a player corp. If they want to so be it. There should be SOME protection for those people. There is plenty of pvp outside of highsec. No need to drag the poor carebears in...that's not PvP, that's PKing...which is fun too hehe but still, I think carebear player corps should have their rights too. It also sucks that newbie corps are sometimes targeted which can make new players get discouraged and run to a wow pve server.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:15:00 - [84] Originally by: John Blackthorn I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John Well this thread is moderatly boring but cant let this one go. If they were so desperate to run a mission join a bloody noob corp. I suspect If this isnt a lie/exajeration they left the game coz they were leaving the game. I have had MANY people come to me and say - "I WAS going to leave this boring game untill i found the privateer allaince. Now im having the time of my life" So for each nubbins who quits the game rather then taking the plethora of options available to him to avoid us, I can throw you one who has stayed due to us. Also i bet CCP making a bit more cash with seconds accounts now as well so they should be happy :) Hauler alts anyone. SKUNK
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:24:00 - [85] Edited by: Le Skunk on 11/04/2007 04:20:04 Originally by: Korizan biggest 3596 Goonswarm 2000+ IAC(2358), Dusk and Dawn(2154), Band of Brothers(2002) 1000+ 12 more alliances 732-999 10 more alliances 731 Privateers We are fighting huge odds yes. We will strive for the ideals of galactic parity whatever the odds. Quote: Privateers are not hurting for cash. Attacking the privateers is only giving them what they want a fight. And keep in mind they have nothing to lose and most likely have a much bigger bank account then you to promote those wars. But they are starting to become old news wondering what tomorrows big story will be.... We have enough cash yes. As a co-operative we share each others war decs so no one corp has to be uber rich. And any one pilot can strike it lucky at any point with some nice loot cough Rokh BPO + Raven BPO anyone. But we do not hoard isk either, like the price gouging, bugged complex running, T2 BPO stifling, 0.0 hogging alliances we declare war on. That is obscene behavior. Utterly sick and we have no part of it. SKUNK "tommorow big story.. Le Skunk steal all Privateer Alliances BPOS'
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:24:00 - [86] I find it fairly amusing that people have problems with Privateers. They declared war on us only once, for a week. Within two days of us relocating to empire, Amarr local was free of any active hostiles so long as at least two of us were logged in. Not once did any other corp besides Captain Morgan Society attempt to put up any semblance of a fight. Infact, any Privateer on the Jita - Amarr pipe ran at any sign of an OSNAP alliance ticker. Needless to say, that war dec expired within 7 days.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Righteous Fury Edited by: Righteous Fury on 11/04/2007 04:24:12 I find it fairly amusing that people have problems with Privateers. They declared war on us only once. Within two days of us relocating to empire, Amarr local was free of any active hostiles so long as at least two of us were logged in. Not once did any other corp besides Captain Morgan Society attempt to put up any semblance of a fight. Infact, any Privateer on the Jita - Amarr pipe ran at any sign of an OSNAP alliance ticker. Needless to say, that war dec expired within 7 days. Prob only paid to dec you for a week SKUNK
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:37:00 - [88] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: John Blackthorn I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John Well this thread is moderatly boring but cant let this one go. If they were so desperate to run a mission join a bloody noob corp. I suspect If this isnt a lie/exajeration they left the game coz they were leaving the game. I have had MANY people come to me and say - "I WAS going to leave this boring game untill i found the privateer allaince. Now im having the time of my life" So for each nubbins who quits the game rather then taking the plethora of options available to him to avoid us, I can throw you one who has stayed due to us. Also i bet CCP making a bit more cash with seconds accounts now as well so they should be happy :) Hauler alts anyone. SKUNK Im one of those Le Skunk is talking about. If it wasnt because of Privateers, i would have quit eve. Now John, if those "hardcore" pvp'ers is hardcore, wouldnt they fight back? I dont believe in that history They wouldnt see us before they arrive at a station, because we only camp 4-4 station, RIGHT?
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:42:00 - [89] Edited by: Korizan on 11/04/2007 05:38:42 "We are fighting huge odds yes. We will strive for the ideals of galactic parity whatever the odds. However the select band of uber-pvpers we have amongst our ranks makes me proud, and indeed joyous, to be a privateer." Don't make the mistake Le Skunk if you look at the listing of alliances MOST of them are 0.0 alliances and lay claims to there section of space and will defend it. You have claims on no space and are not burdened with the defense or the cost of maintaining it. Until that day comes when you decide to lay claim to a part of space and put up POS's stations etc you will be like every other alliance / corp in high sec .. just a minor nuisance for any 0.0 alliance. Now you are one of the biggest high sec Alliances but as this thread is all about it really is just a matter of time till the other high sec alliances decide you are causing to many problems and then the wars will really start. OOPS I have gone way off topic. But here is a recruiting pitch for SiJira But the interesting part is that nothing has happened as of yet. I guess other then the boards your existance for the most part has gone unnoticed. Is that true ? Is SiJira wasting his time because Privateers aren't causing enough of a problem to deal with them ? Or are the High sec alliances or corps just not organized or lazy or I won't go there to deal with them ?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 06:18:00 - [90] Originally by: Korizan Edited by: Korizan on 11/04/2007 05:38:42 "We are fighting huge odds yes. We will strive for the ideals of galactic parity whatever the odds. However the select band of uber-pvpers we have amongst our ranks makes me proud, and indeed joyous, to be a privateer." Don't make the mistake Le Skunk if you look at the listing of alliances MOST of them are 0.0 alliances and lay claims to there section of space and will defend it. You have claims on no space and are not burdened with the defense or the cost of maintaining it. Until that day comes when you decide to lay claim to a part of space and put up POS's stations etc you will be like every other alliance / corp in high sec .. just a minor nuisance for any 0.0 alliance. Now you are one of the biggest high sec Alliances but as this thread is all about it really is just a matter of time till the other high sec alliances decide you are causing to many problems and then the wars will really start. OOPS I have gone way off topic. But here is a recruiting pitch for SiJira But the interesting part is that nothing has happened as of yet. I guess other then the boards your existance for the most part has gone unnoticed. Is that true ? Is SiJira wasting hertime because Privateers aren't causing enough of a problem to deal with them ? Or are the High sec alliances or corps just not organized or lazy or I won't go there to deal with them ? edited* Yeah they aren't really as big as some sources make it seem

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