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SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:53:00 - [1] It's up to you and everyone else that wants it and will join you. I am but a wee one so I cant organize this myself. My suggestion is this: If there really is so many people that hate privateers then it should be easy - Create Anti-privateers alliance. Yes you read it correctly. Create an alliance solely for the purpose of hunting the privateers. Bring to them what they brought to so many people. Anyone that is seein in the alliance gets war decced even if they leave the alliance. Doing this will achieve two important things. 1. Hunter becomes the hunted. (sheep in a sheeps clothing you say?) 2. People that join privateers just for some pew pew and don't really have any allegiances may be persuaded to join against them as well. Judging by the privateers threads on the forums there should be more than enough support for this. So its up to you the players to make this happen ! Success = privateers fighting anti-privateers Failure = a lot of fun and back at square one A more creative name would be up to the Starters of the Alliance.
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:55:00 - [2] I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:55:00 - [3] And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? Help me help you .

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:56:00 - [4] People dont want to do actual work to fight the privateers. They much rather whine on the forum so ccp "fix" this "problem" with the game. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Chribba And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? No, it would be run by people that would hate the privateers and for what they stand for with a passion.
TheHumanity	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:01:00 - [6] Why bother? Anyone who the privateers can shoot can already shoot them back. Not to mention, they're likely already in an alliance.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:04:00 - [7] Originally by: TheHumanity Why bother? Anyone who the privateers can shoot can already shoot them back. Not to mention, they're likely already in an alliance. Privateers are a nice disorganized target. You will never even get 1/5th of their numbers working together.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:06:00 - [8] I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:08:00 - [9] Originally by: NeoTech I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. It would be just as exciting if you saw them getting demolished by an alliance dedicated to just that.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:19:00 - [10] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: NeoTech I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. It would be just as exciting if you saw them getting demolished by an alliance dedicated to just that. I still hope that Privateers will keep doing their thing. Atleast i'm rooting for them!. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:36:00 - [11] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: SiJira Originally by: NeoTech I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. It would be just as exciting if you saw them getting demolished by an alliance dedicated to just that. I still hope that Privateers will keep doing their thing. Atleast i'm rooting for them!. Oh they are numerous so they can do their thing anytime. Places like jita and amarr might become very dangerous for them though. We just need someone with the alliance skills to take this task on.
Soulis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:38:00 - [12] honestly privateers aren't "All that" Oh Noes!!!11 We Only Role Play Hetrosexuals!!
Mr Nick Amarr Domination. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:45:00 - [13] Honestly there are never that many privateers even online. At peak times maybe 100 spread out over empire compared to what, the 10-15 thousand of other empire dwellers? Half the targets we war dec probably have more members online than we do at any one time, but it is a lot less fun to hunt privateers than hunt with privateers. Mainly because of the number of targets, if you're hunting privateers you're hunting down a single alliance with pvps spread out everywhere, you will be hard put to find a lot in a single session unless both sides bring it. ;) Luckily for privateers we have so many targets but they never work together. For example atm I'm in a system camping 4-5 people into a station for a bit, I'm sure if they undocked they could trap me and gank me, but they don't. Instead of setting up an alliance and doing all that administrative work you could probably set up a channel instead for all people in active war with privateers. Band together to fight the empire pirates ;) On a side note, I've read serveral times CCP is doing something to war decs next patch but couldn't see anything on the test server notes, any clue what they've changed?
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Mr Nick Honestly there are never that many privateers even online. At peak times maybe 100 spread out over empire compared to what, the 10-15 thousand of other empire dwellers? Half the targets we war dec probably have more members online than we do at any one time, but it is a lot less fun to hunt privateers than hunt with privateers. Mainly because of the number of targets, if you're hunting privateers you're hunting down a single alliance with pvps spread out everywhere, you will be hard put to find a lot in a single session unless both sides bring it. ;) Luckily for privateers we have so many targets but they never work together. For example atm I'm in a system camping 4-5 people into a station for a bit, I'm sure if they undocked they could trap me and gank me, but they don't. Instead of setting up an alliance and doing all that administrative work you could probably set up a channel instead for all people in active war with privateers. Band together to fight the empire pirates ;) On a side note, I've read serveral times CCP is doing something to war decs next patch but couldn't see anything on the test server notes, any clue what they've changed? I hope they make wardecs cheaper ^-^ Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Forum Joe	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:50:00 - [15] I think that the privateers are absolutly right to have chosen this playstyle. PvP in Eve is weird : you have things so marvellous that it makes other games look like if they were designed for 3 years old, and at the same time you have things so awfull that it makes you wonder what kind of braindead fanboys can play this game. As such, when I see a group of players willing to profit of the good things while avoiding some of the bad ones, I can do nothing else but agree with them.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:52:00 - [16] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Mr Nick Honestly there are never that many privateers even online. At peak times maybe 100 spread out over empire compared to what, the 10-15 thousand of other empire dwellers? Half the targets we war dec probably have more members online than we do at any one time, but it is a lot less fun to hunt privateers than hunt with privateers. Mainly because of the number of targets, if you're hunting privateers you're hunting down a single alliance with pvps spread out everywhere, you will be hard put to find a lot in a single session unless both sides bring it. ;) Luckily for privateers we have so many targets but they never work together. For example atm I'm in a system camping 4-5 people into a station for a bit, I'm sure if they undocked they could trap me and gank me, but they don't. Instead of setting up an alliance and doing all that administrative work you could probably set up a channel instead for all people in active war with privateers. Band together to fight the empire pirates ;) On a side note, I've read serveral times CCP is doing something to war decs next patch but couldn't see anything on the test server notes, any clue what they've changed? I hope they make wardecs cheaper ^-^ They are doing the opposite I believe. That coupled with a worthy enemy could spell privateers doom.
Dinilysia Interregional Market Watch	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:54:00 - [17] schwing?
Komen Gallente Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Chribba And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? I'm going to jump ahead several steps. You see, it's all CCP's fault that Privateers exist in the first place. They created Eve, they implemented wardecs, and they made the game PvP-focused. Therefore, I hereby declare the Anti-CCP alliance. Dirty bastiches, the lot of 'em. Especially that Kieron fellow, never trusted him for a second. ___________________________________ Wielder of the Trout of Doom(tm)! ___________________________________
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:40:00 - [19] People can't whine if they are too scared to act !
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:46:00 - [20] That would work IF they didn't dock at the first sign of any type of hostilities. This is why the hug the stations. But please give it a shot, I am working them from the thieving angle. Roll an alt, follow them around, loot all the cans. Good Luck!
DeadRow Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Soulis honestly privateers aren't "All that" QFT. Don't know why people cry about them all the time. /DeadRow snip - signature removed, please email us with a link if you wish to know why. -Ivan K
Mr Mozzie Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:15:00 - [22] Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 09/04/2007 15:11:49 Originally by: Chribba And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? Then we'll need an anti anti anti privateers alliance alliance alliance ;)
Valrandir Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:16:00 - [23] Originally by: SiJira Do you REALLY want to stop the Privateers ? Humm, no I do not want to stop the Privateers. -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
Kala Veijo Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor People dont want to do actual work to fight the privateers. They much rather whine on the forum so ccp "fix" this "problem" with the game. Yep and this picture tells us how it is done. Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:28:00 - [25] Originally by: GimmeeThat That would work IF they didn't dock at the first sign of any type of hostilities. This is why the hug the stations. But please give it a shot, I am working them from the thieving angle. Roll an alt, follow them around, loot all the cans. Good Luck! Your sweeping statements make me laugh, the fact you never comment when someone proves you wrong is also comical.
Space Punk	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:01:00 - [26] Hi Newbie here. I'm sure you all want to hear my goofy newbie take on this stuff. No? Oh, k well then I'll tell ya anyway. I'm not sure what a privateer actually is. It conjures historically the image of a Edward Teach type, loosely funded and backed by the English to harass spanish shipping in the new world. Somehow I don't think the spanish and english empires are big in EVE. Also I'm not exactly sure that the current game system in place allows say, the Ammarian NPC empire to start shelling money to harass Minmatar shipping. So I really don't think we are talking about privateers here. That requires a bit the backing of a soveign nation and from what I can tell the nations in this game are mostly peaceful. Currently. Privateer sounds kinda legit. Maybe even a bit noble. Let's stop using that word maybe? I think what you guys are really complaining about are simple pirates and thugs. These types are available, ready and willing, to play the bad guy in any mmo you could dream up. But now having sorted out the terminology I'm still confused. These guys attack you and you can't get away? A lot? I know I sound kind of smarmy now with my learned discourse on Victorian age politics. But I'm seriously confused. I've never been in 0.0 space. But I'm in .2-.4 a lot. I can't really help it. Those low-sec systems just always kind of get in my way. So.. Concord won't help me correct? If somebody jumped me while mining in .2 and I didn't jump away in time I would be destroyed and looted correct? So help me understand this more... From the pvp side. What exactly is the issue here? Being attacked when your on that 15km jag to the warp or station? Well CCP removed that so you can warp to 0km now. Are you getting shot at when undocking? I had heard there was a 30 second invulnerability time when you unduck and jump in. I could be wrong on this but if that 30 seconds existed.. well makes it a bit hard. I'm not saying it's impossible to be pvp by somebody but I think it's actually kind of difficult if you don't want to stick around. I mean obviously you can be extremely out-classed and but most of the time your going to have time to escape. It reminds me a lot of animal planet. They usually don't show you how many times the lioness's failed to kill something when they set up a run against the wildabeast's. I am betting that the pirate types fail way more than they succeed. I'm not saying they aren't a nuisance. I can see that they are. However until their operations start to really mess up legitimate corp advancement on a large scale I don't see any kind of alliances being called together to combat them. I think a better idea would be for you to join or start your own corp. Specifically so that you can have people around to help you. If your intention is to run a a lot of cargo through some dicey sectors.. Well you shouldn't expect some cute little alliance to form and do the work of covering your butt while you make money. You are giving me an idea though. If I hadn't already joined a corp I think I would start a really small one. Just a couple of combat frigates with the idea of hiring out to traders who want escorts. I bet that most privateers can't afford to deal with defended targets often. They are much happier finding the weak and sick in the herd and taking it down. Don't be the weak and sick. Get friends, employee's, or merc's. I think the game is working as intended. "Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing, and dancing sooner than war." - Homer
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Jim McGregor People dont want to do actual work to fight the privateers. They much rather whine on the forum so ccp "fix" this "problem" with the game. No.. they dont want to waste thier time fighting a fruitless fight. Some of here want to waste our time on more interesting wars that actually get us somewhere. Some us us actually like to spend our energy in 0.0 crushing our enemy and taking his territory. Some of us just dont like a shooting gallery like very other damn MMO out there. But that is just some of us who came to this game for the uniqueness of it. This war spam is nothing novel and makes a joke of EVE. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Zarks Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:12:00 - [28] I support this idea 100% __________________________________________________
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Templer Relleg I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back. Question, I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Templer Relleg I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back. Question, I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall. More space pinatas in Empire than lowsec and 0.0. In lowsec and 0.0 you can use cyno's to haul but in empire if you want to only make one trip you fit up expanders and take it all. hey that rhymed
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Fuujin I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall. Last time I went to 0.0 I tried to dock and was told that the alliance owning the station did not like me. Anyway I still did some PvP ended up in my pod. And had to ***** it myself cause I had no way of getting a new ship. So, now I fight in empire space, I lose my ship, I go and get a new one. I win. You lose out on PvP.
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Templer Relleg I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back. Question, I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall. You will see that people is attracted to.. well, people. This is simple social behaviour. Same goes here. Privateers is where the targets is. Myself im sick and tired of pos warfare, large bubble camp blobby blobby blobby. We dont pick random corps. Myself i have paid for, for instance, the goonswarm war lately, because they put up a good fight. That cost me 50mill out of my pocket. Why do i "waste" my money? For having a laugh. Theres a crappy world of pvp beyond empire, yes. I dont need to say more. How much fun do you have, when you sit gatecamping for 24 hours straight, to protect an EGG(Yummy, makes me all hungry)? Or when your pos(Which is the worst feature ever in eve) comes out of reinforced, and your sitting there in your crap expensive t2 sniper ship, just waiting for a 200man fleet to warp in, and call it primary, you lag, and 2 minuts later you find yourself podded aswell, sitting in jita.
Rick Thwaites A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 17:24:00 - [33] I have never been kiled by a privateer, but I have killed as one. They are not that tough, they are rag tag and disorganized on an alliance level, but if you deal with peoplle like BYDI or some of the other very good PvP corps (not saying that they aren't good, but BYDI is very good), they will be organized on the corp level. Try hunting down an alliance where everyone does their own thing, where the corps don't work together, just sometimes the members. Hunting privs. can be fun, but to do it full time? I would rather self destruct, not that they will kill me, but that I will be bored out of my mind, not because they wouldn't engage (common misconception, they will engage), but because they are so far spread out, that you could never take them out like a conventional alliance. Privs, keep making empire fun. Just take it easy when you see me! I was one! = D (well, so was my alt, too!). --
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:20:00 - [34] Originally by: GimmeeThat That would work IF they didn't dock at the first sign of any type of hostilities. This is why the hug the stations. But please give it a shot, I am working them from the thieving angle. Roll an alt, follow them around, loot all the cans. Good Luck! Why let them hide in stations. They cant be there forever and an alliance about the same size would be able to keep tabs on them at all times.
DragonRiderTao	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:24:00 - [35] Originally by: Space Punk Hi Newbie here. I'm sure you all want to hear my goofy newbie take on this stuff. No? Oh, k well then I'll tell ya anyway. I'm not sure what a privateer actually is. It conjures historically the image of a Edward Teach type, loosely funded and backed by the English to harass spanish shipping in the new world. Somehow I don't think the spanish and english empires are big in EVE. Also I'm not exactly sure that the current game system in place allows say, the Ammarian NPC empire to start shelling money to harass Minmatar shipping. So I really don't think we are talking about privateers here. That requires a bit the backing of a soveign nation and from what I can tell the nations in this game are mostly peaceful. Currently. Privateer sounds kinda legit. Maybe even a bit noble. Let's stop using that word maybe? I think what you guys are really complaining about are simple pirates and thugs. These types are available, ready and willing, to play the bad guy in any mmo you could dream up. But now having sorted out the terminology I'm still confused. These guys attack you and you can't get away? A lot? I know I sound kind of smarmy now with my learned discourse on Victorian age politics. But I'm seriously confused. I've never been in 0.0 space. But I'm in .2-.4 a lot. I can't really help it. Those low-sec systems just always kind of get in my way. So.. Concord won't help me correct? If somebody jumped me while mining in .2 and I didn't jump away in time I would be destroyed and looted correct? So help me understand this more... From the pvp side. What exactly is the issue here? Being attacked when your on that 15km jag to the warp or station? Well CCP removed that so you can warp to 0km now. Are you getting shot at when undocking? I had heard there was a 30 second invulnerability time when you unduck and jump in. I could be wrong on this but if that 30 seconds existed.. well makes it a bit hard. I'm not saying it's impossible to be pvp by somebody but I think it's actually kind of difficult if you don't want to stick around. I mean obviously you can be extremely out-classed and but most of the time your going to have time to escape. It reminds me a lot of animal planet. They usually don't show you how many times the lioness's failed to kill something when they set up a run against the wildabeast's. I am betting that the pirate types fail way more than they succeed. I'm not saying they aren't a nuisance. I can see that they are. However until their operations start to really mess up legitimate corp advancement on a large scale I don't see any kind of alliances being called together to combat them. I think a better idea would be for you to join or start your own corp. Specifically so that you can have people around to help you. If your intention is to run a a lot of cargo through some dicey sectors.. Well you shouldn't expect some cute little alliance to form and do the work of covering your butt while you make money. You are giving me an idea though. If I hadn't already joined a corp I think I would start a really small one. Just a couple of combat frigates with the idea of hiring out to traders who want escorts. I bet that most privateers can't afford to deal with defended targets often. They are much happier finding the weak and sick in the herd and taking it down. Don't be the weak and sick. Get friends, employee's, or merc's. I think the game is working as intended. It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. How many dragons can you slay? You cant slay mine.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:27:00 - [36] Originally by: Rick Thwaites I have never been kiled by a privateer, but I have killed as one. They are not that tough, they are rag tag and disorganized on an alliance level, but if you deal with peoplle like BYDI or some of the other very good PvP corps (not saying that they aren't good, but BYDI is very good), they will be organized on the corp level. Try hunting down an alliance where everyone does their own thing, where the corps don't work together, just sometimes the members. Hunting privs. can be fun, but to do it full time? I would rather self destruct, not that they will kill me, but that I will be bored out of my mind, not because they wouldn't engage (common misconception, they will engage), but because they are so far spread out, that you could never take them out like a conventional alliance. Privs, keep making empire fun. Just take it easy when you see me! I was one! = D (well, so was my alt, too!). If they have the same dangers as their targets, they will begin to do things differently.
Lt Angus Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 22:27:00 - [37] Down with privateers rabble rabble somthing bout sploits rabble rabble Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Infinity MKII	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:03:00 - [38] Edited by: Infinity MKII on 09/04/2007 23:01:22 Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Templer Relleg I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back. Question, I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall. "In ecology, a niche is a term describing the relational position of a species or population in an ecosystem. More formally, the niche includes how a population responds to the abundance of its resources and enemies (e. g., by growing when resources are abundant, and predators, parasites and pathogens are scarce) and how it affects those same factors e.g., by reducing the abundance of resources through consumption and contributing to the population growth of enemies by falling prey to them). The abiotic or physical environment is part of the niche because it influences how populations affect, and are affected by, resources and enemies." Reference In other words, probably because they can and for them what they do equates to more fun then your method of gameplay. Infinity Ziona
Benco97 Gallente Multiverse Corporation The Core Collective	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:06:00 - [39] I don't have a problem with the Privateers' actions. They can carry on for all I care. "MY GOD KEEP THIS AWAY FROM BENCO97!!!!!" - Constantine Arcanum
Deus Ex'Machina Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 23:26:00 - [40] It sux to be in a player corp huh ? It was YOUR CHOICE to leave the NPC CORP! snip - Image not appropriate for eve-o forums - hutch true amarr tank shields!
Guillame Herschel Gallente Cheers Restaurant and Bar Coalition Of Empires	Posted - 2007.04.10 00:30:00 - [41] Originally by: DeadRow Originally by: Soulis honestly privateers aren't "All that" QFT. Don't know why people cry about them all the time. Because most players aren't "All that" either. -- Guile can always trump hardware --
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 00:30:00 - [42] Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina It sux to be in a player corp huh ? It was YOUR CHOICE to leave the NPC CORP! so you are saying the solution is not an alliance but for everyone to stay in npc corps or go to 0.0 ? Let me know when you get some fresh air...
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.04.10 02:11:00 - [43] Originally by: Komen Originally by: Chribba And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? I'm going to jump ahead several steps. You see, it's all CCP's fault that Privateers exist in the first place. They created Eve, they implemented wardecs, and they made the game PvP-focused. Therefore, I hereby declare the Anti-CCP alliance. Dirty bastiches, the lot of 'em. Especially that Kieron fellow, never trusted him for a second. So... you want... war on bob? Suprise. Its already underway. The only people i see crying about privateers are carebears from jita saying that they are ruining the game Q_Q I like the privateers, there are options for avoiding them, npc corps for example.
flaming phantom Minmatar Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.04.10 02:48:00 - [44] i like privateers. they declared war on one of my corps a long time ago in empire, and as mucyh as i was scared at the time, i thought it was fun in a sence. i eve tried a hand at pvp but i didnt ever end up running across them. empire isnt suppose to e 100% safe, so these guys are just doing ccp's dirty work imo, since this does happen to be a pvp game afterall
Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.04.10 04:13:00 - [45] I have this magical answer against privateers. They're noobs, hence they only stay in empire: So go to 0.0 space and you'll never see them again.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 04:13:00 - [46] Originally by: flaming phantom i like privateers. they declared war on one of my corps a long time ago in empire, and as mucyh as i was scared at the time, i thought it was fun in a sence. i eve tried a hand at pvp but i didnt ever end up running across them. empire isnt suppose to e 100% safe, so these guys are just doing ccp's dirty work imo, since this does happen to be a pvp game afterall It is NOT a pvp game. There isn't a myriad of professions only to pvp. Although I can understand how you can see it that way if all YOU do is pvp. If anyone really wants to get rid of privateers keep this thread up.
PostWithYourMain	Posted - 2007.04.10 04:17:00 - [47] Quote: EVE is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced. A PVE game doesn't have to keep it's combat system in as balanced a state as a PVP game does (Don't take my word for it, you can read similar statements from other game designers of MMO's). -Oveur
Oddball Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.10 05:02:00 - [48] It seems to my ignorant noob self that Privateers are a meta-blob. And obviously they are good at what they do. As well, it isn't an exploit or a particularly new idea. So why all the annoyance? Does anyone here actually play the game? I suppose, IMHO, that it's a case of adapt or... no, just adapt. Sorry.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.10 05:11:00 - [49] Edited by: Thread Winner on 10/04/2007 05:11:09 Originally by: Oddball It seems to my ignorant noob self that Privateers are a meta-blob. And obviously they are good at what they do. As well, it isn't an exploit or a particularly new idea. So why all the annoyance? Does anyone here actually play the game? I suppose, IMHO, that it's a case of adapt or... no, just adapt. Sorry. The adapt argument is a I've got nothing better to say statement at best. Its used whenever differing parties (PvP/PvE) have nothing better to say to prove their points. I support empire war I'm just saying the adapt argument always seems weak to me Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.10 06:19:00 - [50] My main concern with Privateers is they eventually will end up war dec'ing every alliance and corp over a certain size, thereby effectively removing safe space for individual players. Fine, but if CCP wants this they may as well make all space 0.0, and i doubt that was the plan. I live in 0.0 so I only move around empire very rarely, but it has struck me that many gates on the main travel routes and the hub-systems have privateer gangs camping. That makes it impossible for individual players to move around in empire without a significat escort. So we all make trader alts, but it is annoying and tbh I consider the privateer tactic to be meta gaming... if they want FFA, come to 0.0, and lets fight there. You know where i live :) /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 08:42:00 - [51] Originally by: PostWithYourMain Quote: EVE is primarily a PVP game and hence our focus is on making that experience balanced. A PVE game doesn't have to keep it's combat system in as balanced a state as a PVP game does (Don't take my word for it, you can read similar statements from other game designers of MMO's). -Oveur It really does help to read the prefix when you try to decipher something that is clear.
iinlin Amarr Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 09:09:00 - [52] Originally by: SiJira It's up to you and everyone else that wants it and will join you. I am but a wee one so I cant organize this myself. ... Your ship went boom? The remains of it probably put food on a poor privateers table, so you should feel good!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 09:20:00 - [53] Edited by: SiJira on 10/04/2007 09:17:03 Originally by: iinlin Originally by: SiJira It's up to you and everyone else that wants it and will join you. I am but a wee one so I cant organize this myself. ... Your ship went boom? The remains of it probably put food on a poor privateers table, so you should feel good! I am in an npc corp, I havent encountered privateers nor have I realized they even exist before I read the threads here read for once before you post in a thread that refers to the forums for its inspiration and clearly states so !
MassonA Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.10 09:49:00 - [54] you are speaking about the privateers as one entire entity but in truth its alot of corps, with completely different playstyles, but all with one common goal dont knock it til you've tried it
iinlin Amarr Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 09:55:00 - [55] Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 10/04/2007 09:17:03 I am in an npc corp, I havent encountered privateers nor have I realized they even exist before I read the threads here read for once before you post in a thread that refers to the forums for its inspiration and clearly states so ! So you play your game on the forums?
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:27:00 - [56] Originally by: DragonRiderTao Originally by: Space Punk Hi Newbie here. I'm sure you all want to hear my goofy newbie take on this stuff. No? Oh, k well then I'll tell ya anyway. I'm not sure what a privateer actually is. It conjures historically the image of a Edward Teach type, loosely funded and backed by the English to harass spanish shipping in the new world. Somehow I don't think the spanish and english empires are big in EVE. Also I'm not exactly sure that the current game system in place allows say, the Ammarian NPC empire to start shelling money to harass Minmatar shipping. So I really don't think we are talking about privateers here. That requires a bit the backing of a soveign nation and from what I can tell the nations in this game are mostly peaceful. Currently. Privateer sounds kinda legit. Maybe even a bit noble. Let's stop using that word maybe? I think what you guys are really complaining about are simple pirates and thugs. These types are available, ready and willing, to play the bad guy in any mmo you could dream up. But now having sorted out the terminology I'm still confused. These guys attack you and you can't get away? A lot? I know I sound kind of smarmy now with my learned discourse on Victorian age politics. But I'm seriously confused. I've never been in 0.0 space. But I'm in .2-.4 a lot. I can't really help it. Those low-sec systems just always kind of get in my way. So.. Concord won't help me correct? If somebody jumped me while mining in .2 and I didn't jump away in time I would be destroyed and looted correct? So help me understand this more... From the pvp side. What exactly is the issue here? Being attacked when your on that 15km jag to the warp or station? Well CCP removed that so you can warp to 0km now. Are you getting shot at when undocking? I had heard there was a 30 second invulnerability time when you unduck and jump in. I could be wrong on this but if that 30 seconds existed.. well makes it a bit hard. I'm not saying it's impossible to be pvp by somebody but I think it's actually kind of difficult if you don't want to stick around. I mean obviously you can be extremely out-classed and but most of the time your going to have time to escape. It reminds me a lot of animal planet. They usually don't show you how many times the lioness's failed to kill something when they set up a run against the wildabeast's. I am betting that the pirate types fail way more than they succeed. I'm not saying they aren't a nuisance. I can see that they are. However until their operations start to really mess up legitimate corp advancement on a large scale I don't see any kind of alliances being called together to combat them. I think a better idea would be for you to join or start your own corp. Specifically so that you can have people around to help you. If your intention is to run a a lot of cargo through some dicey sectors.. Well you shouldn't expect some cute little alliance to form and do the work of covering your butt while you make money. You are giving me an idea though. If I hadn't already joined a corp I think I would start a really small one. Just a couple of combat frigates with the idea of hiring out to traders who want escorts. I bet that most privateers can't afford to deal with defended targets often. They are much happier finding the weak and sick in the herd and taking it down. Don't be the weak and sick. Get friends, employee's, or merc's. I think the game is working as intended. It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:51:00 - [57] Originally by: iinlin Originally by: SiJira Edited by: SiJira on 10/04/2007 09:17:03 I am in an npc corp, I havent encountered privateers nor have I realized they even exist before I read the threads here read for once before you post in a thread that refers to the forums for its inspiration and clearly states so ! So you play your game on the forums? You seem to imply that I care about privateers at all with your insults. My idea refers to the threads on these forums to get people that talk so much about it to make a stand if you will insult my intelligence again I wont even post to dignify your childish antics.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 10:54:00 - [58] Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing)
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:33:00 - [59] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:50:00 - [61] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis Deserve griefing? isn't carebear phiolsophy Non Duelistic PVP = Rape? Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:58:00 - [62] Originally by: Thread Winner Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis Deserve griefing? isn't carebear phiolsophy Non Duelistic PVP = Rape? A smart corp will be able to avoid / escape a single war dec until its enemies become convinced that their targets are dull and will be in station forever. Anyone that pays a ransom - apart from situations where catastrophic consequences await if not payed (someones immediate death) - is asking to be dominated. making sure that the immediate consequences are real as well is smart In eve there is hardly a situation where the exception occurs.
Mortuus Minmatar Oblivion's Gate Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:16:00 - [63] I am a Privateer. As is common forum knowledge we do not want to engage you on even terms. So if I am the only one in local feel free to stay roaming around. Also as a Privateer I would never go into 0.0, so if you see me in your 0.0 system it must be a bug, please continue NPCing or whatever boring mindless stuff you do. Also, since I am a Privateer, I must be a noob and not know how to fight, feel free to engage one on one. Thank you for your time, I look forward to our continued business relationships. Ah damn, why did everyone dock or SS... ex-Occassus Republica <3
CaperPuts Minmatar Life. Universe. Everything. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:34:00 - [64] But... when we do try to fight back, they just dock and have sex with each other in the station :(
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:44:00 - [65] Originally by: CaperPuts But... when we do try to fight back, they just dock and have sex with each other in the station :( ffs, if I ever catch anyone docking in this situation they will be out of the corp faster than they can say antidisestablishmentarism. No, the correct behavior in this situation is to jump from safespot to safespot while yelling at everyone in local about how uber the Privateers are and how pathetic you are. But I doubt that you have actually fought the Privateers anywhere but on these boards.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:51:00 - [66] I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:51:00 - [67] I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:54:00 - [68] Originally by: SiJira I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever. 9 out of 10 people in Privateers are alts. That's why most there will never be an anti-privateers alliance. Now shut up everyone.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.10 14:54:00 - [69] Originally by: SiJira I am starting to think that the privateer whines were done by the privateers themselves. They don't seem to affect most people whatsoever. 9 out of 10 people in Privateers are alts. That's why most there will never be an anti-privateers alliance. Now shut up everyone.
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.10 15:29:00 - [70] You may or may not like what priviter's are doing but hey are not breaking any game rules. Though I really would like to see a limit on the number of alliance wars that you can inituate. There are times when empire war is nessary, when your warring for assets or trying to break your enemy. But the PA wars serve no purpose in game terms. Also empire is used buy builders and mission runners, and it's used by people that work in 0.0 alot to come back to empire and rest up and explore other parts of the game. I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.10 21:51:00 - [71] Originally by: John Blackthorn You may or may not like what priviter's are doing but hey are not breaking any game rules. Though I really would like to see a limit on the number of alliance wars that you can inituate. There are times when empire war is nessary, when your warring for assets or trying to break your enemy. But the PA wars serve no purpose in game terms. Also empire is used buy builders and mission runners, and it's used by people that work in 0.0 alot to come back to empire and rest up and explore other parts of the game. I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John That is reason enough for extermination. I guess no one really wants to do it.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.10 21:53:00 - [72] Originally by: SiJira That is reason enough for extermination. I guess no one really wants to do it. Someone please kill this boring troll thread. Someone post tall-**** or something.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 00:09:00 - [73] Alright it is settled Privateers toot their own horn !
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 00:28:00 - [74] Originally by: SiJira Alright it is settled Privateers toot their own horn ! EVE-O = Privateers Didn't you get the memo? Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:14:00 - [75] Why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things?? Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 02:31:00 - [76] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Why doesn't anyone ever tell me these things?? Your not on the mailing list. Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.04.11 03:01:00 - [77] Privateers are too good to be hunted. With the current game mechanics, you can't do damage to Privateers unless CCP changes the game mechanics to promote consentual PvP. Make war decs expensive and lock corps in war decs immediately for a week once they are declared. The 24 hours rule and leaving corp/alliance during war decs have to go. Lame war decs and griefing tactics are not making me enjoying eVe. It is so unsafe to undock with all griefers around. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Infinity MKII	Posted - 2007.04.11 03:08:00 - [78] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Privateers are too good to be hunted. With the current game mechanics, you can't do damage to Privateers unless CCP changes the game mechanics to promote consentual PvP. Make war decs expensive and lock corps in war decs immediately for a week once they are declared. The 24 hours rule and leaving corp/alliance during war decs have to go. Lame war decs and griefing tactics are not making me enjoying eVe. It is so unsafe to undock with all griefers around. By your choice, it is unsafe. And Jenny, your quite old and should know the mantra -> EvE is not supposed to be safe. There is no safe space. Empire is SAFER space. Yada Yada Yada. Disband your corporation, Leave your corporation. Leave your Alliance. End yourself. La~ Infinity Ziona
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 03:11:00 - [79] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Privateers are too good to be hunted. With the current game mechanics, you can't do damage to Privateers unless CCP changes the game mechanics to promote consentual PvP. Make war decs expensive and lock corps in war decs immediately for a week once they are declared. The 24 hours rule and leaving corp/alliance during war decs have to go. Lame war decs and griefing tactics are not making me enjoying eVe. It is so unsafe to undock with all griefers around. Who are you and what have you done with Jenny? and there is only one thing that can stop the privateers. . . and that is MC Hammer. Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:01:00 - [80] Edited by: Korizan on 11/04/2007 04:01:43 A interesting plea I don't see it happening. Was curious so decided to see who was on the privateer band wagon and how they stack up compared to other alliances. biggest 3596 Goonswarm 2000+ IAC(2358), Dusk and Dawn(2154), Band of Brothers(2002) 1000+ 12 more alliances 732-999 10 more alliances 731 Privateers So 731 registered in a New alliance the Controlling corp was created in Oct 2006. Privateers are not hurting for cash. They are even payed by other corps alliances to wage war for them. So you are fighting a group of people who have endless funds, no territory to defend and basically nothing to lose. They are also only interested in war so they will continue the wars as long as there is prey to be found. Most high sec people are only interested in occassional wars with time in between to bring assets back up. Others are in high sec to explore other parts of the the game, industry etc etc. So now the number of actual PVP people in high sec is actually rather small compared to its overall population. I am guessing all those PVP oriented corps were targeted first. But I bet there list of targets is narrowing quickly. I bet the number of people in NPC corps has gone up radically as well. As it is a simple fact that for the most part being in a corp in high sec is a matter of convenience and pride and nothing more. Before Priveeters there were other alliances that there sole purpose was to attack other alliances and make them collapse. It would not surprise me if it is happening now. Attacking the privateers is only giving them what they want a fight. And keep in mind they have nothing to lose and most likely have a much bigger bank account then you to promote those wars. But they are starting to become old news wondering what tomorrows big story will be....
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:08:00 - [81] Originally by: Korizan wondering what tomorrows big story will be.... Innominate Nightmares body found in an Ice Mass Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:10:00 - [82] Originally by: Korizan So you are fighting a group of people who have endless funds, no territory to defend and basically nothing to lose. They are also only interested in war so they will continue the wars as long as there is prey to be found. Attacking the privateers is only giving them what they want a fight. And keep in mind they have nothing to lose and most likely have a much bigger bank account then you to promote those wars. But they are starting to become old news wondering what tomorrows big story will be.... By attacking them, no matter if it is what they want or not. They wont be able to have 1 guy harassing countless single guys (not pvp setups) I am also sure their funds are not endless. If they become even less efficient than what they are now (disorganized rabble), then many of their funds might dry up. They might "enjoy" the anti-privateers. They definitely will have less time to pursue non-pvp targets. So it will be a success if they decide to fight back. Or not. Besides I made this thread using other threads as cause for action. I already said that most of the whines were probably privateers alts just spreading the word.
MIa Bonet	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:11:00 - [83] People have different playstyles and many like to just do carebear stuff in empire and pertain to a player corp. If they want to so be it. There should be SOME protection for those people. There is plenty of pvp outside of highsec. No need to drag the poor carebears in...that's not PvP, that's PKing...which is fun too hehe but still, I think carebear player corps should have their rights too. It also sucks that newbie corps are sometimes targeted which can make new players get discouraged and run to a wow pve server.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:15:00 - [84] Originally by: John Blackthorn I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John Well this thread is moderatly boring but cant let this one go. If they were so desperate to run a mission join a bloody noob corp. I suspect If this isnt a lie/exajeration they left the game coz they were leaving the game. I have had MANY people come to me and say - "I WAS going to leave this boring game untill i found the privateer allaince. Now im having the time of my life" So for each nubbins who quits the game rather then taking the plethora of options available to him to avoid us, I can throw you one who has stayed due to us. Also i bet CCP making a bit more cash with seconds accounts now as well so they should be happy :) Hauler alts anyone. SKUNK
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:24:00 - [85] Edited by: Le Skunk on 11/04/2007 04:20:04 Originally by: Korizan biggest 3596 Goonswarm 2000+ IAC(2358), Dusk and Dawn(2154), Band of Brothers(2002) 1000+ 12 more alliances 732-999 10 more alliances 731 Privateers We are fighting huge odds yes. We will strive for the ideals of galactic parity whatever the odds. Quote: Privateers are not hurting for cash. Attacking the privateers is only giving them what they want a fight. And keep in mind they have nothing to lose and most likely have a much bigger bank account then you to promote those wars. But they are starting to become old news wondering what tomorrows big story will be.... We have enough cash yes. As a co-operative we share each others war decs so no one corp has to be uber rich. And any one pilot can strike it lucky at any point with some nice loot cough Rokh BPO + Raven BPO anyone. But we do not hoard isk either, like the price gouging, bugged complex running, T2 BPO stifling, 0.0 hogging alliances we declare war on. That is obscene behavior. Utterly sick and we have no part of it. SKUNK "tommorow big story.. Le Skunk steal all Privateer Alliances BPOS'
Righteous Fury Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:24:00 - [86] I find it fairly amusing that people have problems with Privateers. They declared war on us only once, for a week. Within two days of us relocating to empire, Amarr local was free of any active hostiles so long as at least two of us were logged in. Not once did any other corp besides Captain Morgan Society attempt to put up any semblance of a fight. Infact, any Privateer on the Jita - Amarr pipe ran at any sign of an OSNAP alliance ticker. Needless to say, that war dec expired within 7 days.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 04:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Righteous Fury Edited by: Righteous Fury on 11/04/2007 04:24:12 I find it fairly amusing that people have problems with Privateers. They declared war on us only once. Within two days of us relocating to empire, Amarr local was free of any active hostiles so long as at least two of us were logged in. Not once did any other corp besides Captain Morgan Society attempt to put up any semblance of a fight. Infact, any Privateer on the Jita - Amarr pipe ran at any sign of an OSNAP alliance ticker. Needless to say, that war dec expired within 7 days. Prob only paid to dec you for a week SKUNK
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:37:00 - [88] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: John Blackthorn I have seven corp members which have been hard core pvp'ers decide to leave the game over the PA issue. Simply put, they battle in 0.0, and want a break. They can't go to empire for a few days due to it's a war zone as well. So they leave the game for a few weeks at a time. Yes they could fight in empire against pa as well, but it serves no goal. If a PA corp gets beaten up, they just leave pa, they are replaced the next day by a fresh corp. -John Well this thread is moderatly boring but cant let this one go. If they were so desperate to run a mission join a bloody noob corp. I suspect If this isnt a lie/exajeration they left the game coz they were leaving the game. I have had MANY people come to me and say - "I WAS going to leave this boring game untill i found the privateer allaince. Now im having the time of my life" So for each nubbins who quits the game rather then taking the plethora of options available to him to avoid us, I can throw you one who has stayed due to us. Also i bet CCP making a bit more cash with seconds accounts now as well so they should be happy :) Hauler alts anyone. SKUNK Im one of those Le Skunk is talking about. If it wasnt because of Privateers, i would have quit eve. Now John, if those "hardcore" pvp'ers is hardcore, wouldnt they fight back? I dont believe in that history They wouldnt see us before they arrive at a station, because we only camp 4-4 station, RIGHT?
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2007.04.11 05:42:00 - [89] Edited by: Korizan on 11/04/2007 05:38:42 "We are fighting huge odds yes. We will strive for the ideals of galactic parity whatever the odds. However the select band of uber-pvpers we have amongst our ranks makes me proud, and indeed joyous, to be a privateer." Don't make the mistake Le Skunk if you look at the listing of alliances MOST of them are 0.0 alliances and lay claims to there section of space and will defend it. You have claims on no space and are not burdened with the defense or the cost of maintaining it. Until that day comes when you decide to lay claim to a part of space and put up POS's stations etc you will be like every other alliance / corp in high sec .. just a minor nuisance for any 0.0 alliance. Now you are one of the biggest high sec Alliances but as this thread is all about it really is just a matter of time till the other high sec alliances decide you are causing to many problems and then the wars will really start. OOPS I have gone way off topic. But here is a recruiting pitch for SiJira But the interesting part is that nothing has happened as of yet. I guess other then the boards your existance for the most part has gone unnoticed. Is that true ? Is SiJira wasting his time because Privateers aren't causing enough of a problem to deal with them ? Or are the High sec alliances or corps just not organized or lazy or I won't go there to deal with them ?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 06:18:00 - [90] Originally by: Korizan Edited by: Korizan on 11/04/2007 05:38:42 "We are fighting huge odds yes. We will strive for the ideals of galactic parity whatever the odds. However the select band of uber-pvpers we have amongst our ranks makes me proud, and indeed joyous, to be a privateer." Don't make the mistake Le Skunk if you look at the listing of alliances MOST of them are 0.0 alliances and lay claims to there section of space and will defend it. You have claims on no space and are not burdened with the defense or the cost of maintaining it. Until that day comes when you decide to lay claim to a part of space and put up POS's stations etc you will be like every other alliance / corp in high sec .. just a minor nuisance for any 0.0 alliance. Now you are one of the biggest high sec Alliances but as this thread is all about it really is just a matter of time till the other high sec alliances decide you are causing to many problems and then the wars will really start. OOPS I have gone way off topic. But here is a recruiting pitch for SiJira But the interesting part is that nothing has happened as of yet. I guess other then the boards your existance for the most part has gone unnoticed. Is that true ? Is SiJira wasting hertime because Privateers aren't causing enough of a problem to deal with them ? Or are the High sec alliances or corps just not organized or lazy or I won't go there to deal with them ? edited* Yeah they aren't really as big as some sources make it seem
ToranagaSama	Posted - 2007.04.11 06:49:00 - [91] Originally by: Mr Nick Honestly there are never that many privateers even online. At peak times maybe 100 spread out over empire compared to what, the 10-15 thousand of other empire dwellers? Half the targets we war dec probably have more members online than we do at any one time, but it is a lot less fun to hunt privateers than hunt with privateers. Mainly because of the number of targets, if you're hunting privateers you're hunting down a single alliance with pvps spread out everywhere, you will be hard put to find a lot in a single session unless both sides bring it. ;) Luckily for privateers we have so many targets but they never work together. For example atm I'm in a system camping 4-5 people into a station for a bit, I'm sure if they undocked they could trap me and gank me, but they don't. Instead of setting up an alliance and doing all that administrative work you could probably set up a channel instead for all people in active war with privateers. Band together to fight the empire pirates ;) On a side note, I've read serveral times CCP is doing something to war decs next patch but couldn't see anything on the test server notes, any clue what they've changed? Are you serious? Guess you've never come through a Gate, smack in the middle of a pack of FORTY-FOUR!!! idiots just sitting there waiting----for a SINGLE ship to come through the gate. This is why they are hated. There is no challenge, no skill, to what they do. Anyone, even a bunch of one day old newbs could do what they do. It's so juvenile.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 07:04:00 - [92] Yes when i go to 0.0 you can find 100 idiots sat on a gate waiting for one ship to come thorugh. Or eve SOOOO many idiots at one gate that the node crashes. And thats a lot of idiots SKUNK
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 07:08:00 - [93] Originally by: SiJira Yeah they aren't really as big as some sources make it seem Ohh good - weve gone from EvE killing griefer maniacs back to harmless hauler ganking noobs in the space of 40 posts. Im glad thats been cleared up SKUNK
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 07:28:00 - [94] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: SiJira Yeah they aren't really as big as some sources make it seem Ohh good - weve gone from EvE killing griefer maniacs back to harmless hauler ganking noobs in the space of 40 posts. Im glad thats been cleared up SKUNK I am not sure how your post makes sense in reference to my post. but if you care to read my posts in this thread its clear that this thread was inspired by nothing but the grandiosity of the privateers themselves
Vannilla Venom Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.11 08:57:00 - [95] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis Wait!Those corps deserve all the grief they can get?I thought you were anti-griefing.Now you condone it?
Sorted Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.11 09:28:00 - [96] Edited by: Sorted on 11/04/2007 09:24:51 Originally by: Jenny Spitfire stuff and lock corps in war decs immediately for a week once they are declared. The 24 hours rule and leaving corp/alliance during war decs have to go. Hey thats a fantastic idea. Can you post it up in the development forums - we will rally round and EVERY P.A member will be asked to show their support for your idea. ITS GREAT. If we post it though we are whining and accused of griefing all the care-bear allinace corps who dont want to fight. PLEASEE<>>>> /Signed, signed and signed again, Learn More: Privateers Recruitment
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.11 12:17:00 - [97] Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis Wait!Those corps deserve all the grief they can get?I thought you were anti-griefing.Now you condone it? I have not stated i am anti or pro anything submissive individuals deserve to be dominated
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:15:00 - [98] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Vannilla Venom It is the name of an Alliance that uses the war-dec to grief any corp they get payed to attack. Did you say grief?How is a legally sanctioned war dec 'griefing'? How about the fact that most of these corps are war decced just because someone felt like ruining their business. I am talking about all the corps that do not fight back. Just accept what it is, it isn't like it makes a difference what you call it (even though it is griefing) What about Mercs that war dec Empire based corps and hit them with a 'the client will withdraw the war dec if you pay x amount of Isk'? Where do you draw the line on what is and isn't considered griefing? Those mercs are griefing, and the corps that succumb to their will deserve no mercy and they deserve all the griefing they can get. you draw the line on a case by case basis Wait!Those corps deserve all the grief they can get?I thought you were anti-griefing.Now you condone it? I have not stated i am anti or pro anything submissive individuals deserve to be dominated And they are being dominated by the privateers because people forgot to hire combatants into their corps. THREAD OVER! Fight against log off tactics to protect your space from isk farmers!
Spaceman Jack	Posted - 2007.04.11 17:33:00 - [99] LOL.. privateers dont dominate anything other than this huge pain I have in my a*s
Gort Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.11 19:16:00 - [100] Help! I'm trapped in a pseudo-Bob thread! Low-tech sig: "When in doubt, empty the magazine."
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.11 19:17:00 - [101] Originally by: Thread Winner THREAD OVER! Please God!!! STOP THIS THREAD!!! If there is any decency left in this galaxy, people will stop posting and let this die.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.12 00:36:00 - [102] Originally by: RedFall Originally by: Thread Winner THREAD OVER! Please God!!! STOP THIS THREAD!!! If there is any decency left in this galaxy, people will stop posting and let this die. There is obviously no support !
Callthetruth Caldari Logical Logtistics	Posted - 2007.04.12 02:28:00 - [103] part of the game oh well
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.12 02:58:00 - [104] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: RedFall Originally by: Thread Winner THREAD OVER! Please God!!! STOP THIS THREAD!!! If there is any decency left in this galaxy, people will stop posting and let this die. There is obviously no support ! I support this thread! The Privateers must be stopped!!! For more info, contact Liz Kali and inquire about his "Clean Eve" campaign Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali

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