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SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:53:00 - [1] It's up to you and everyone else that wants it and will join you. I am but a wee one so I cant organize this myself. My suggestion is this: If there really is so many people that hate privateers then it should be easy - Create Anti-privateers alliance. Yes you read it correctly. Create an alliance solely for the purpose of hunting the privateers. Bring to them what they brought to so many people. Anyone that is seein in the alliance gets war decced even if they leave the alliance. Doing this will achieve two important things. 1. Hunter becomes the hunted. (sheep in a sheeps clothing you say?) 2. People that join privateers just for some pew pew and don't really have any allegiances may be persuaded to join against them as well. Judging by the privateers threads on the forums there should be more than enough support for this. So its up to you the players to make this happen ! Success = privateers fighting anti-privateers Failure = a lot of fun and back at square one A more creative name would be up to the Starters of the Alliance.
Templer Relleg Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:55:00 - [2] I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back.

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:55:00 - [3] And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? Help me help you .

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:56:00 - [4] People dont want to do actual work to fight the privateers. They much rather whine on the forum so ccp "fix" this "problem" with the game. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 11:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Chribba And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? No, it would be run by people that would hate the privateers and for what they stand for with a passion.
TheHumanity	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:01:00 - [6] Why bother? Anyone who the privateers can shoot can already shoot them back. Not to mention, they're likely already in an alliance.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:04:00 - [7] Originally by: TheHumanity Why bother? Anyone who the privateers can shoot can already shoot them back. Not to mention, they're likely already in an alliance. Privateers are a nice disorganized target. You will never even get 1/5th of their numbers working together.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:06:00 - [8] I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:08:00 - [9] Originally by: NeoTech I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. It would be just as exciting if you saw them getting demolished by an alliance dedicated to just that.
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:19:00 - [10] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: NeoTech I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. It would be just as exciting if you saw them getting demolished by an alliance dedicated to just that. I still hope that Privateers will keep doing their thing. Atleast i'm rooting for them!. Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:36:00 - [11] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: SiJira Originally by: NeoTech I LOVE the privateers, seriously! They make my runs to empire exciting, without them it would just be another boring haul!. I dont understand why people complain so much, its a natural thing in EvE to PvP. Only the carebears living of mission running and mining in empire smack the privateers!. It would be just as exciting if you saw them getting demolished by an alliance dedicated to just that. I still hope that Privateers will keep doing their thing. Atleast i'm rooting for them!. Oh they are numerous so they can do their thing anytime. Places like jita and amarr might become very dangerous for them though. We just need someone with the alliance skills to take this task on.
Soulis Slacker Industries	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:38:00 - [12] honestly privateers aren't "All that" Oh Noes!!!11 We Only Role Play Hetrosexuals!!
Mr Nick Amarr Domination. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:45:00 - [13] Honestly there are never that many privateers even online. At peak times maybe 100 spread out over empire compared to what, the 10-15 thousand of other empire dwellers? Half the targets we war dec probably have more members online than we do at any one time, but it is a lot less fun to hunt privateers than hunt with privateers. Mainly because of the number of targets, if you're hunting privateers you're hunting down a single alliance with pvps spread out everywhere, you will be hard put to find a lot in a single session unless both sides bring it. ;) Luckily for privateers we have so many targets but they never work together. For example atm I'm in a system camping 4-5 people into a station for a bit, I'm sure if they undocked they could trap me and gank me, but they don't. Instead of setting up an alliance and doing all that administrative work you could probably set up a channel instead for all people in active war with privateers. Band together to fight the empire pirates ;) On a side note, I've read serveral times CCP is doing something to war decs next patch but couldn't see anything on the test server notes, any clue what they've changed?
NeoTech Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:47:00 - [14] Originally by: Mr Nick Honestly there are never that many privateers even online. At peak times maybe 100 spread out over empire compared to what, the 10-15 thousand of other empire dwellers? Half the targets we war dec probably have more members online than we do at any one time, but it is a lot less fun to hunt privateers than hunt with privateers. Mainly because of the number of targets, if you're hunting privateers you're hunting down a single alliance with pvps spread out everywhere, you will be hard put to find a lot in a single session unless both sides bring it. ;) Luckily for privateers we have so many targets but they never work together. For example atm I'm in a system camping 4-5 people into a station for a bit, I'm sure if they undocked they could trap me and gank me, but they don't. Instead of setting up an alliance and doing all that administrative work you could probably set up a channel instead for all people in active war with privateers. Band together to fight the empire pirates ;) On a side note, I've read serveral times CCP is doing something to war decs next patch but couldn't see anything on the test server notes, any clue what they've changed? I hope they make wardecs cheaper ^-^ Originally by: DB Preacher nothing on those forums show that anyone in CCP is in RKK or have done anything to assist us and I am 100% certain that the investigation will show that nothing untoward has
Forum Joe	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:50:00 - [15] I think that the privateers are absolutly right to have chosen this playstyle. PvP in Eve is weird : you have things so marvellous that it makes other games look like if they were designed for 3 years old, and at the same time you have things so awfull that it makes you wonder what kind of braindead fanboys can play this game. As such, when I see a group of players willing to profit of the good things while avoiding some of the bad ones, I can do nothing else but agree with them.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:52:00 - [16] Originally by: NeoTech Originally by: Mr Nick Honestly there are never that many privateers even online. At peak times maybe 100 spread out over empire compared to what, the 10-15 thousand of other empire dwellers? Half the targets we war dec probably have more members online than we do at any one time, but it is a lot less fun to hunt privateers than hunt with privateers. Mainly because of the number of targets, if you're hunting privateers you're hunting down a single alliance with pvps spread out everywhere, you will be hard put to find a lot in a single session unless both sides bring it. ;) Luckily for privateers we have so many targets but they never work together. For example atm I'm in a system camping 4-5 people into a station for a bit, I'm sure if they undocked they could trap me and gank me, but they don't. Instead of setting up an alliance and doing all that administrative work you could probably set up a channel instead for all people in active war with privateers. Band together to fight the empire pirates ;) On a side note, I've read serveral times CCP is doing something to war decs next patch but couldn't see anything on the test server notes, any clue what they've changed? I hope they make wardecs cheaper ^-^ They are doing the opposite I believe. That coupled with a worthy enemy could spell privateers doom.
Dinilysia Interregional Market Watch	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:54:00 - [17] schwing?
Komen Gallente Industrial Services INC	Posted - 2007.04.09 12:59:00 - [18] Originally by: Chribba And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? I'm going to jump ahead several steps. You see, it's all CCP's fault that Privateers exist in the first place. They created Eve, they implemented wardecs, and they made the game PvP-focused. Therefore, I hereby declare the Anti-CCP alliance. Dirty bastiches, the lot of 'em. Especially that Kieron fellow, never trusted him for a second. ___________________________________ Wielder of the Trout of Doom(tm)! ___________________________________
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:40:00 - [19] People can't whine if they are too scared to act !
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:46:00 - [20] That would work IF they didn't dock at the first sign of any type of hostilities. This is why the hug the stations. But please give it a shot, I am working them from the thieving angle. Roll an alt, follow them around, loot all the cans. Good Luck!
DeadRow Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.09 14:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Soulis honestly privateers aren't "All that" QFT. Don't know why people cry about them all the time. /DeadRow snip - signature removed, please email us with a link if you wish to know why. -Ivan K
Mr Mozzie Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:15:00 - [22] Edited by: Mr Mozzie on 09/04/2007 15:11:49 Originally by: Chribba And after that we need to create Anti-Anti-Privateers Alliance? Then we'll need an anti anti anti privateers alliance alliance alliance ;)
Valrandir Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:16:00 - [23] Originally by: SiJira Do you REALLY want to stop the Privateers ? Humm, no I do not want to stop the Privateers. -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
Kala Veijo Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Jim McGregor People dont want to do actual work to fight the privateers. They much rather whine on the forum so ccp "fix" this "problem" with the game. Yep and this picture tells us how it is done. Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 15:28:00 - [25] Originally by: GimmeeThat That would work IF they didn't dock at the first sign of any type of hostilities. This is why the hug the stations. But please give it a shot, I am working them from the thieving angle. Roll an alt, follow them around, loot all the cans. Good Luck! Your sweeping statements make me laugh, the fact you never comment when someone proves you wrong is also comical.
Space Punk	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:01:00 - [26] Hi Newbie here. I'm sure you all want to hear my goofy newbie take on this stuff. No? Oh, k well then I'll tell ya anyway. I'm not sure what a privateer actually is. It conjures historically the image of a Edward Teach type, loosely funded and backed by the English to harass spanish shipping in the new world. Somehow I don't think the spanish and english empires are big in EVE. Also I'm not exactly sure that the current game system in place allows say, the Ammarian NPC empire to start shelling money to harass Minmatar shipping. So I really don't think we are talking about privateers here. That requires a bit the backing of a soveign nation and from what I can tell the nations in this game are mostly peaceful. Currently. Privateer sounds kinda legit. Maybe even a bit noble. Let's stop using that word maybe? I think what you guys are really complaining about are simple pirates and thugs. These types are available, ready and willing, to play the bad guy in any mmo you could dream up. But now having sorted out the terminology I'm still confused. These guys attack you and you can't get away? A lot? I know I sound kind of smarmy now with my learned discourse on Victorian age politics. But I'm seriously confused. I've never been in 0.0 space. But I'm in .2-.4 a lot. I can't really help it. Those low-sec systems just always kind of get in my way. So.. Concord won't help me correct? If somebody jumped me while mining in .2 and I didn't jump away in time I would be destroyed and looted correct? So help me understand this more... From the pvp side. What exactly is the issue here? Being attacked when your on that 15km jag to the warp or station? Well CCP removed that so you can warp to 0km now. Are you getting shot at when undocking? I had heard there was a 30 second invulnerability time when you unduck and jump in. I could be wrong on this but if that 30 seconds existed.. well makes it a bit hard. I'm not saying it's impossible to be pvp by somebody but I think it's actually kind of difficult if you don't want to stick around. I mean obviously you can be extremely out-classed and but most of the time your going to have time to escape. It reminds me a lot of animal planet. They usually don't show you how many times the lioness's failed to kill something when they set up a run against the wildabeast's. I am betting that the pirate types fail way more than they succeed. I'm not saying they aren't a nuisance. I can see that they are. However until their operations start to really mess up legitimate corp advancement on a large scale I don't see any kind of alliances being called together to combat them. I think a better idea would be for you to join or start your own corp. Specifically so that you can have people around to help you. If your intention is to run a a lot of cargo through some dicey sectors.. Well you shouldn't expect some cute little alliance to form and do the work of covering your butt while you make money. You are giving me an idea though. If I hadn't already joined a corp I think I would start a really small one. Just a couple of combat frigates with the idea of hiring out to traders who want escorts. I bet that most privateers can't afford to deal with defended targets often. They are much happier finding the weak and sick in the herd and taking it down. Don't be the weak and sick. Get friends, employee's, or merc's. I think the game is working as intended. "Men grow tired of sleep, love, singing, and dancing sooner than war." - Homer
BoBoZoBo Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:12:00 - [27] Originally by: Jim McGregor People dont want to do actual work to fight the privateers. They much rather whine on the forum so ccp "fix" this "problem" with the game. No.. they dont want to waste thier time fighting a fruitless fight. Some of here want to waste our time on more interesting wars that actually get us somewhere. Some us us actually like to spend our energy in 0.0 crushing our enemy and taking his territory. Some of us just dont like a shooting gallery like very other damn MMO out there. But that is just some of us who came to this game for the uniqueness of it. This war spam is nothing novel and makes a joke of EVE. ========================= Minister of Propaganda - Operator 9
Zarks Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:12:00 - [28] I support this idea 100% __________________________________________________
Fuujin hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Templer Relleg I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back. Question, I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall.
Thread Winner Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.09 16:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Fuujin Originally by: Templer Relleg I dont know how many times this have been suggested(Suprise, you arent the first to think of this ) But PLEASE be my guest and do this. It would be nice with more people fighting back. Question, I don't mean this in any rude way what so ever but if you guys are so itching for targets, especially ones that fight back, like you say you are why are you hugging Empire space and picking random corps? There's a world of PVP beyond empire afterall. More space pinatas in Empire than lowsec and 0.0. In lowsec and 0.0 you can use cyno's to haul but in empire if you want to only make one trip you fit up expanders and take it all. hey that rhymed

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