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Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:26:00 - [61] Originally by: Rodj Blake That's odd. You see, I distinctly recall you including your joint kills with the Black Rabbits during our live fire exercises in the Mito constellation, even where several Rabbit ships had done all of the work and one or two SF ships turned up at the end (after getting the call to undock from the adjacent system). In fact, I used a very similar example to yours and the SF howls of derision were very loud indeed. Not really, since the main difference in the situation is that the Rabbits were not publishing statistics, therefore no double accounting was to be had. In this case, should each of the loyalists publish their figures separately, massive double or tripple accounting would occur. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:31:00 - [62] First, Rodj Blake, your remarks about Tech 2 supplies being ignored does not amount to SF repudiating the view that in-house Tech 2 building and supply lessens the impact of losing a single given Tech 2 ship. By all means cite in context the discussion if you think it does. Secondly, the Vigilia Valeria ship kill/loss figures are, I would accept accurate as at the time they were cited, if one wishes to consider only Vigilia Valeria's involvement in the war thus far. I believe that Jasmine's point is that the Vigilia Valeria figures are not a counter to the figures we have published with respect to the war target entities presently engaged in this war. Our figures, as ever, cite all Star Fraction kills and losses with respect to our enemies involved in the war. Now, Vigilia Valeria's figures do the same thing which is fine if all one is interested in is Vigilia Valeria's actions in the war thus far. Another approach, if one is only interested in Vigilia Valeria, would be to look at the figures where only Vigilia Valeria pilots have been involved. (I think this is the kind of approach you have expressed some preference for in the past but I won't hold you to it.) If one uses the approach of only counting engagements where Vigilia Valeria and Star Fraction pilots alone meet in battle then you find Vigilia Valeria losing quite badly. Indeed, there are only four ship engagements involving a Star Fraction loss where Vigilia Valeria pilots alone are involved. Conversely, there are some 19 Vigilia Valeria ship losses involving Star Fraction pilots alone since they entered the war. This is an approach we could use with respect to all our foes in the war and then look at the 'unified' engagements separately. I myself feel that such an approach would elicit howls of rage and accusations of 'spin' and statistical legerdemain from certain quarters. However, we do not use that system. We, for the purposes of our report, tally Star Fraction kills and losses against the allied forces we are ranged against in this war at present. We consider it fair and reasonable. Discussion of the figures on that basis is to be expected and quite welcome. Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Vaslav Tchitcherine Originally by: Tharrn Do you have an efficiency percentage to go with that or are those meaningless as they don't suit you, too? Efficiency is a derived statistic that can be calculated in any number of ways. It is as open to debate and questions of relevance as ISK loss values, kill points or any other derived statistic. This is why we only quote actual ship numbers destroyed, because only these numbers have true meaning. And I note you do not dispute them, because you cannot. I'm reasonably sure that every time SF has had favourable efficiency ratings they've not hesitated to parade them in their war diaries. How bizarre that whenever the statistics aren't so favourable the statistical methodology suddenly becomes open to debate. You may be 'reasonably sure' but you're still wrong. The Jasmine Constantine-authored war diaries of the Mito Conflict, the CYI-SF War and this war have consistently quoted ship kill/loss totals and not used any derived 'efficiency rating'. Once more, to repeat, we take the approach of counting our kills and losses with respect to enemies currently involved in the war in question. That is the approach we use in all our diaries and it is readily understandable and quite open to checking. Others are of course free to use whatever approach they like in their own diaries and reports. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Powdder Happy hOur Mining and industry Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:03:00 - [63] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Octavinus Augustus Well, we couldn't have you feel in any way obliged now could we little Jasmine. I really do think you ought to change your name from Star Fraction to Star Fiction. It somehow appear to be a more suitable name. What kind of tech1 frigate would you like? BUhahahahahahha. sorry, but thats just funny
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:19:00 - [64] Originally by: The Cosmopolite First, Rodj Blake, your remarks about Tech 2 supplies being ignored does not amount to SF repudiating the view that in-house Tech 2 building and supply lessens the impact of losing a single given Tech 2 ship. By all means cite in context the discussion if you think it does. In many ways the source of a T2 ship is irrelevant. Why? Say the market value of a destroyed ship is one hundred million ISK. If the pilot is unable to make ships, then obviously he needs to go and buy a replacement. But if he makes his own ships, then he now has one less ship to sell on the market, resulting in an equal loss of income. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:22:00 - [65] Originally by: Rodj Blake In many ways the source of a T2 ship is irrelevant. Why? Say the market value of a destroyed ship is one hundred million ISK. If the pilot is unable to make ships, then obviously he needs to go and buy a replacement. But if he makes his own ships, then he now has one less ship to sell on the market, resulting in an equal loss of income. Not strictly true. A clever man can use it in such a way as to make more money. Question is, are you clever? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 12:51:00 - [66] Originally by: Rodj Blake In many ways the source of a T2 ship is irrelevant. Why? Say the market value of a destroyed ship is one hundred million ISK. If the pilot is unable to make ships, then obviously he needs to go and buy a replacement. But if he makes his own ships, then he now has one less ship to sell on the market, resulting in an equal loss of income. The primary flaw in your argument is that it contains an assumption, which is false, that the Star Fraction Tech 2 manufacturers have no interest in the use to which the ships they make are put when they are sold to fellow Fractionists. What you ignore is that there is a fair exchange involved that goes beyond the market value of the vessel or equipment in question. All Star Fraction Tech 2 manufacturers that sell ships and equipment on favourable ISK terms to Star Fraction pilots do so on the understanding that the vessels will be used, in whatever way, to advance the objectives of the movement which they support no less than any other member. They are rarely disappointed. The impact of any given Tech 2 ship loss where that ship is manufactured by one of our members and sold to one of our pilots is lessened for the pilot who purchases the ship as he did not have to spend more of his ISK in buying it, with either a consequent saving in time required for economic activities or a greater surplus of ISK if he spends the same amount of time making ISK in any event. The manufacturer does not have the impact transferred to them in the way you wish to cast it in pure economic terms because they are able to make a reasonable profit and advance their interests notably by projecting more power through their supply of said ships and equipment to fellows in the movement than they could do by spending an equivalent amount of time simply flying a ship themselves. Note that we do not conjure with ISK-based statistics as part of our war diaries in any event as the market value tends to fluctuate and in the context of these reports we consider the various ships in terms of the uses to which they can be put. I am simply setting out the basis of the Star Fraction view that, when value is considered in terms of effort compared with use, it is very much to the point to consider the means by which ships and equipment are obtained. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:07:00 - [67] It's like new math and I was never a math genius.... but as best I can tell using this new mathematics system we've suffered NO losses and our efficency stands at 100% (as PIE ships are supplied to our members who don't even pay cost). Amazing! I hereby christen this math system "Fractionometry"! Guess I need to get another math slave. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 13:23:00 - [68] Originally by: Archbishop It's like new math and I was never a math genius.... but as best I can tell using this new mathematics system we've suffered NO losses and our efficency stands at 100% (as PIE ships are supplied to our members who don't even pay cost). Amazing! I hereby christen this math system "Fractionometry"! Guess I need to get another math slave. Archbishop translation: "I have no idea what you're talking about so I'm going to try and dismiss it with a cheap gag rather than show my ignorance" In all, I think it rather telling that PIE and friends get hung up on statistics. An example, in my opinion, of this mentality must come in the form of their presentation of their own statistics in their own war record software. It varies between none existent, none shown to the public or, and this one is the killer, only kills not losses shown to the public. Where as SF holds its statistics open for all to see and interpret as they choose. Its then entertaining that they accuse SF of spin and doctoring perception. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Monsignor Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.10 16:18:00 - [69] Quote: In all, I think it rather telling that PIE and friends get hung up on statistics. An example, in my opinion, of this mentality must come in the form of their presentation of their own statistics in their own war record software. It varies between none existent, none shown to the public or, and this one is the killer, only kills not losses shown to the public. Where as SF holds its statistics open for all to see and interpret as they choose. Its then entertaining that they accuse SF of spin and doctoring perception. Our killboard is for our own use we don't need to waive our "kill ratios" around from our zippers every week like other alliances. It works best that way as if there is a downturn we don't then need to try and spin it as you have against Vigilia Valeria by "lumping" or whatever you call it. As for statistics the only one that really matters is the one showing enemies far more dangerous than the smut-peddling vandals of SF have for years stated they're going to eliminate PIE.... and the fact we're still around. Anyway back to work. The terrorist Minmatar could show up at any minute! Monsignor
Monsignor Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.10 16:21:00 - [70] Oh I almost forgot to mention. As to being "hung up" on statistics... I seem to recall the Star Fraction was the first one to post them here... Who was hung up again? Have a nice day lessor. Monsignor
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 16:33:00 - [71] Originally by: Monsignor Our killboard is for our own use we don't need to waive our "kill ratios" around from our zippers every week like other alliances. It works best that way as if there is a downturn we don't then need to try and spin it as you have against Vigilia Valeria by "lumping" or whatever you call it. As for statistics the only one that really matters is the one showing enemies far more dangerous than the smut-peddling vandals of SF have for years stated they're going to eliminate PIE.... and the fact we're still around. Anyway back to work. The terrorist Minmatar could show up at any minute! Monsignor Oh I do beg to differ. You quite happily wave your kills around "from your zippers" under the pretext of ôholy amarrian justiceö. Its your losses you hide like a bastard child. Hows that for spin? I think the VV issue has been covered quite adequately so I think it time you grab for another life line in order to salvage your failing pride. I find it hard to believe a ôsuperiorö being could have so much trouble grasping something so simple. -------------------------------------------- Join Now
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 16:45:00 - [72] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 10/04/2007 16:41:34 Originally by: Archbishop It's like new math and I was never a math genius.... but as best I can tell using this new mathematics system we've suffered NO losses and our efficency stands at 100% (as PIE ships are supplied to our members who don't even pay cost). Amazing! I hereby christen this math system "Fractionometry"! Guess I need to get another math slave. Archbishop You might better call it 'Archbishoptrickery' because our view of the value of a ship in no way determines whether the ship loss is a loss or not and, I repeat as you either missed it or deliberately ignored it, we do not make use of ISK-based calculations or 'efficiency' ratings in the war diaries. (Please note that the first person to so much as mention an 'efficiency' rating in this thread was an Amarrian loyalist.) It's not as if your crass and singularly poorly-aimed jibe makes any sense even in its own terms unless you are claiming that the ships PIE supplies to its members materialise in their docking berths with no effort or time expended on the part of anyone in the organisation. That would be truly wondrous but I strongly doubt it is the case. I therefore conclude that all you are really saying, underneath the buffoonery, is that every ship loss suffered by a PIE pilot is, in fact, a direct loss suffered by PIE itself. I don't make much of that as I rather assumed it was so anyway from previous remarks by PIE on the subject of ships and equipment. However, this is really a side-issue and a matter of internal economics working according to the respective philosophies of the opposing organisations. For the purposes of overview, a ship loss on one side is comparable and equivalent to a ship loss on the other side. Finally, to repeat, the Star Fraction War Diaries, as authored by Jasmine Constantine, consistently use a simple and fully verifiable measure of absolute ship kills and losses with respect to the enemies against which the Star Fraction is engaged in any given campaign. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Communications Portal
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 16:51:00 - [73] Originally by: Monsignor Oh I almost forgot to mention. As to being "hung up" on statistics... I seem to recall the Star Fraction was the first one to post them here... Who was hung up again? Have a nice day lessor. Monsignor Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You seem to be having trouble grasping the very basics of language. But then, maybe you move in circles where some phrases are not used, so IÆll try to expand on them for you. IÆll try to use small words as you and your ilk seem to be having trouble with ôwalls of textö at the moment. Now before we go on, IÆm neither a word smith nor a ôsuperior beingö therefore put you grammar and spelling analysis away because IÆm sure youÆll be swamped. ôHung upö is a slang for a negative obsession of some sort. Now I can hear the clamour now, settle down, settle down or thereÆll be no milk for afters. ItÆs very true that Jas mentioned the stats first, in a vastly summarised version at the end of a very long diary entry û long enough to cause complaint in your attention deficient brethren (ôbrethrenö isnÆt too long a word for you is it?). Its your ôbrethrenö that have dragged discussion those statistic out for 3 pages, nit picking and twisting, desperately seeking a way to hide the fact theyÆre being shown not only to lose ships (see comments above about PIEs public records) but to be losing them at an unprecedented rate considering their participation (or lack thereof) in combat. So go back to your hole dog, or better still, back up your own words and stop hiding behind your slaves in AM (and I assume they must be your slaves, because I canÆt think of any other reason you would abuse them so badly). -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.10 17:01:00 - [74] Originally by: Monsignor Oh I almost forgot to mention. As to being "hung up" on statistics... I seem to recall the Star Fraction was the first one to post them here... Who was hung up again? Have a nice day lessor. Monsignor We present the war diary in the same fashion we have in every conflict since Mito. I know the raw number of ship losses is painful for you but if you want to do something about it you will need to undock and improve your ratio. Simply arguing it away with spurious logic on galnet means nothing. Perhaps you could ask your employer "Archbishop" to give you some of the "free" Armageddons he is handing out so you can do something other than rattle your lips ineffectually. Star Fraction is recruiting
Katyayani Koriau Amarr Auto De Fe	Posted - 2007.04.11 12:57:00 - [75] Lies and spurious propaganda. I don't believe the filthy anarchists managed to eliminate a single true Amarrian warship with their mix of public complaints and cowardly tactic. Obvious of course this is more Spin-Fraction hypocracy while they try like staving children to confront the truth that is Holy Glorious Amarr Victorious!
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.11 13:13:00 - [76] Originally by: Katyayani Koriau Lies and spurious propaganda. I don't believe the filthy anarchists managed to eliminate a single true Amarrian warship with their mix of public complaints and cowardly tactic. Whilst I'm sure you meant that as support of your fellows, I think you actually just insulted every member of PIE, VV and AM. They've not challenged the number of ship kills or losses, only how they've been apportioned between those fighting. So, in effect, you've just called them all "fake amarrians" or something like that. Originally by: Katyayani Koriau Obvious of course this is more Spin-Fraction hypocracy while they try like staving children to confront the truth that is Holy Glorious Amarr Victorious! You people keep using this word. I do not think it means what you think it means... -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Katyayani Koriau Amarr Auto De Fe	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:31:00 - [77] Silence anarchy dog! While you fight with words the holy Amarr warriors move as they choose in the Throne Worlds delivering the words of God. You are irrelevent and petty and mean nothing at all. Revered Archbishop has defeated you already but we will do the worst job and destroy your homes and ships with our isk.
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.11 14:40:00 - [78] Originally by: Katyayani Koriau Silence anarchy dog! talk about contradicting yourself. You donÆt get out much do you? -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Tecam Hund The Buggers	Posted - 2007.04.11 15:00:00 - [79] Originally by: Katyayani Koriau Lies and spurious propaganda. I don't believe the filthy anarchists managed to eliminate a single true Amarrian warship with their mix of public complaints and cowardly tactic. Obvious of course this is more Spin-Fraction hypocracy while they try like staving children to confront the truth that is Holy Glorious Amarr Victorious! Your name should be listed under the "Brainwashed" in the dictionary. The most classic example to hit the summit in months.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 13:49:00 - [80] 84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit. Star Fraction is recruiting
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.04.12 13:56:00 - [81] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine 84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit. Or maybe they were involved with something that was actually important. For PIE and their companions padding their killboards does not rank as important. Just as your own killboardpadding lacks importance. Winning wars through killing off your opposition is not exactly an option for Pod-pilots, and as such wars must be won in different ways. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Jasmine Constantine 84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit. Or maybe they were involved with something that was actually important. For PIE and their companions padding their killboards does not rank as important. Just as your own killboardpadding lacks importance. Winning wars through killing off your opposition is not exactly an option for Pod-pilots, and as such wars must be won in different ways. Had this grand and important work been completed without the aid of subterfuge and trickery in order to avoid combat at any cost I might be impressed, even though the smoke and mirrors deployed where quite impressive. The mere fact that the Imperial loyalists feel the need to obfuscate their doings in their home systems speaks volumes. All I see is fear.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:27:00 - [83] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Jasmine Constantine 84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit. Or maybe they were involved with something that was actually important. For PIE and their companions padding their killboards does not rank as important. Just as your own killboardpadding lacks importance. Winning wars through killing off your opposition is not exactly an option for Pod-pilots, and as such wars must be won in different ways. We know what you were doing. We scattered your fleet at the tail end of your operation quite handily slaying a couple of your scouts while the main body of your fleet fled to dock. Congratulations are in order for you being able to help one Amarrian torture another Amarrian without our interference though. Impressive. I do think you are going to have problems if ever Brother Joshua needs you to actually fight something for him though. Star Fraction is recruiting
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:29:00 - [84] Thank you, however, for tacitly admitting that Archbishop's "sermons" are nothing more than a petty distraction. May he long be treated as the insignificant sideshow that he truly is. _
Gaius Kador PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:39:00 - [85] Bitterness suits you. ----------------------------------------------
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:45:00 - [86] Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 12/04/2007 14:43:43 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We know what you were doing. You seem to have a poor grasp of who you're actually at war with. A Better Future has no ties with PIE beyond being a pro-amarr entity. While Pro-Amarr does entail certain things it does not entail "identical" by any means. But sure, if you believe me to be a part of PIE go ahead and shoot me, though CONCORD might disagree. As for what PIE did. They did not help an Amarr torture another Amarr, that was a foreseen but not intended consequence. Their intended goal was to aid Brother Joshua in setting the Kor-Azor region back on the righteous path, the one God intended, and that goal was completed admirably. P.S: Quote: Thank you, however, for tacitly admitting that Archbishop's "sermons" are nothing more than a petty distraction. May he long be treated as the insignificant sideshow that he truly is. Archbishops work was important as well, and that too was completed without any significant disruption. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.12 14:59:00 - [87] Interesting reading and watching the Star Fraction propaganda rapier hack at the stonewall of Amarrian assumed virtue is interesting, if somewhat pointless. The stats look good for the Fraction, but can't say it's a total shooting gallery based on them. While I understand the Imperial Navy will be reluctant to enter a war between capsuleer factions, what I do find utterly strange is that the Amarrian paramilitaries don't band together to utterly lockdown the Star Fraction forces in their stations. There's plenty of them to do that and the enemy has brought itself to the heart of the empire (on the other hand, where's CVA and the others?). If the excuse is that they don't pose enough of a threat to warrant a serious mobilization, I would question the sanity in that, considering the losses inflicted by the attackers - that many battleship losses are grounds for decisive action. Out of all the brush wars happening in the empires, this one looks to be somewhat interesting as its a meeting of fanatics.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:05:00 - [88] Edited by: Nekumi on 12/04/2007 15:03:11 Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 12/04/2007 14:43:43 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine We know what you were doing. You seem to have a poor grasp of who you're actually at war with. A Better Future has no ties with PIE beyond being a pro-amarr entity. While Pro-Amarr does entail certain things it does not entail "identical" by any means. But sure, if you believe me to be a part of PIE go ahead and shoot me, though CONCORD might disagree. As for what PIE did. They did not help an Amarr torture another Amarr, that was a foreseen but not intended consequence. Their intended goal was to aid Brother Joshua in setting the Kor-Azor region back on the righteous path, the one God intended, and that goal was completed admirably. P.S: Quote: Thank you, however, for tacitly admitting that Archbishop's "sermons" are nothing more than a petty distraction. May he long be treated as the insignificant sideshow that he truly is. Archbishops work was important as well, and that too was completed without any significant disruption. I fail to see where there was any mention of PIE directly in anything Jasmine posted or indeed any relationship you might posess to that organisation. Perhaps you can illuminate where you grasped such inferrence. Once again you grasp at poorly constructed semantic arguments to say precisely nothing.
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr A Better Future	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:16:00 - [89] Originally by: Nekumi I fail to see where there was any mention of PIE directly in anything Jasmine posted or indeed any relationship you might posess to that organisation. Perhaps you can illuminate where you grasped such inferrence. Once again you grasp at poorly constructed semantic arguments to say precisely nothing. Then perhaps I have misunderstood GalNet etiquette? I distinctly remember Jasmine Constantine first quoting a portion of my text followed by a long statement from Jasmine Constantine using terms such as "you were doing" and "your fleet operations", implying that "you" included me (as the one she was responding to) into the entity responsible for the doings and fleet operations (PIE inc), in effect grouping us together as a single entity. Is it not customary that statements including quotes from a poster and then using the term "you" and "your" are directed towards the one who made the statement in said quote? If not I apologise for my then unwarranted jibes. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.04.12 15:26:00 - [90] Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel Originally by: Nekumi I fail to see where there was any mention of PIE directly in anything Jasmine posted or indeed any relationship you might posess to that organisation. Perhaps you can illuminate where you grasped such inferrence. Once again you grasp at poorly constructed semantic arguments to say precisely nothing. Then perhaps I have misunderstood GalNet etiquette? I distinctly remember Jasmine Constantine first quoting a portion of my text followed by a long statement from Jasmine Constantine using terms such as "you were doing" and "your fleet operations", implying that "you" included me (as the one she was responding to) into the entity responsible for the doings and fleet operations (PIE inc), in effect grouping us together as a single entity. Is it not customary that statements including quotes from a poster and then using the term "you" and "your" are directed towards the one who made the statement in said quote? If not I apologise for my then unwarranted jibes. More semantic excrement. Perhaps, if you cease speaking on another unconnected groups behalf you will cut down on any confusion where people make assumptions that you are somehow connected outside of being Pro-Amarr. Unless of course you wish to remain a mouthpiece who can try to reject any argument you spout merely based on the fact that you aren't directly connected to the group you continue to speak for.

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