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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.12 15:56:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Nekumi
More semantic excrement.
Perhaps, if you cease speaking on another unconnected groups behalf you will cut down on any confusion where people make assumptions that you are somehow connected outside of being Pro-Amarr.
Unless of course you wish to remain a mouthpiece who can try to reject any argument you spout merely based on the fact that you aren't directly connected to the group you continue to speak for.
I am not connected to PIE, but as an Amarr citizen I feel the obligation to defend corperations against insults when they're slighted because they were fulfilling their duty to Amarr. Just as I feel an obligation to defend the clergy while they're doing the work of the faith. Archbishop did not need my assistance in Shastas, but my help was offered and if he had asked it of me on that day I would have willingly given my ship to the cause (it would have been quite futile of course given that you outnumbered me about 15 to 1, if not more). ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.12 16:09:00 -
[92]
Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 19:00:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
I do believe that quite a few pilots were present during the sermon - including The Cosmopolite, Devilish Ledoux, Madelchai and several others. Will you really claim that a system with that many of your fellow allies in it is, to all extents and purposes, empty?
If Archbishop has the patience to preach to some of the most ardent heretics out there all the more respect to him.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 00:00:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
I do believe that quite a few pilots were present during the sermon - including The Cosmopolite, Devilish Ledoux, Madelchai and several others. Will you really claim that a system with that many of your fellow allies in it is, to all extents and purposes, empty?
If Archbishop has the patience to preach to some of the most ardent heretics out there all the more respect to him.
Well, we know how you fire and brimstone types like to engage in some brain-deadening exercises before you go out to fight. Since Archie's sermons fit that bill to a T, we just had to come see if you were ready to make good on the whole "Come and die, anarchists" promise. You weren't, and since there was no punch'n'PIE, we went elsewhere.
As for the actual babbling from Archie, my translator mostly picked up "yawp yawp Amarr yawp Gawd yawp." Then again, I did set it up to filter out anything that registers higher than 2.0 Kraps on the Bull****-o-meter. _
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.13 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux As for the actual babbling from Archie, my translator mostly picked up "yawp yawp Amarr yawp Gawd yawp." Then again, I did set it up to filter out anything that registers higher than 2.0 Kraps on the Bull****-o-meter.
I find that very hard to believe. If you had indeed done so, it would be rather impossible for you to communicate at all with your alliance members wouldn't it? Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished. |
Madelchai
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus I do believe that quite a few pilots were present during the sermon - including The Cosmopolite, Devilish Ledoux, Madelchai and several others. Will you really claim that a system with that many of your fellow allies in it is, to all extents and purposes, empty?
Indeed we were there for a few moments, but as even members of PIE themselves didn't want to be in system to listen to Archiekins dusty old babble, we soon took our leave.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 13:23:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/04/2007 13:19:22
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
He had a pair of sheep in local. We arrived, looked for targets scanned for his ship, discovered it was cloaked and deep, then left. No sense wasting time looking for a man without courage.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/04/2007 13:19:22
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
He had a pair of sheep in local. We arrived, looked for targets scanned for his ship, discovered it was cloaked and deep, then left. No sense wasting time looking for a man without courage.
I find this very interesting. You were hunting a respected citizen of the empire, piloting a cloaked industrial. Typically such vessels have limited armament to begin with.
While I can appreciate that there are certain difficulties in locating the ship you are telling us that the Star Fraction with it's superior quality of tactics and pilots could not force him from the system?
Instead the Star Fraction left the field of battle, allowing the Archbishop to finish his sermon.
No it is quite obvious from your statement that your alliance were the cowards that day.
Casserina
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux As for the actual babbling from Archie, my translator mostly picked up "yawp yawp Amarr yawp Gawd yawp." Then again, I did set it up to filter out anything that registers higher than 2.0 Kraps on the Bull****-o-meter.
I find that very hard to believe. If you had indeed done so, it would be rather impossible for you to communicate at all with your alliance members wouldn't it?
You know, now that you mention it ... any time one of my alliance members say something that starts with, "Now the Amarrians are saying ..." I always end up hearing nothing but static and laughter that I can't explain. Hey, at least they're happy, right? _
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 01:05:00 -
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Quote: Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
Indeed it does. It speaks to the influence one man has when he can pull the entire Star Fraction fleet to a remote system and an abandoned city after they've pledged to stay in Amarr indefinitely and not travel anywhere to fight CVA. It speaks to his ability to hold the entire SF fleet there for 18:00 minutes (plus travel time) while the Amarrian loyalist forces completed yet another important mission for the Empire and God.
Considering you were led by the nose eight jumps from Amarr while all this happend and thus were incapable of preventing the holy mission of Brother Joshua indicates alot about the architect of this plan. I agree it says alot about the mind of the person who did it.... and the enemy that fell for it.
But I must be off to Providence for a few days of preaching near Unity Station. With the success of the CVA and it's allies in obtaining control of Karishal's Folly I have a new location from which to launch inspirational sermons and missions of God. Stay tuned to the Operation Blessing Updates for further information on my missionary work.
Amarr Victor!
Archbishop
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 12:25:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Archbishop
Quote: Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
Indeed it does. It speaks to the influence one man has when he can pull the entire Star Fraction fleet to a remote system and an abandoned city after they've pledged to stay in Amarr indefinitely and not travel anywhere to fight CVA. It speaks to his ability to hold the entire SF fleet there for 18:00 minutes (plus travel time) while the Amarrian loyalist forces completed yet another important mission for the Empire and God.
Considering you were led by the nose eight jumps from Amarr while all this happend and thus were incapable of preventing the holy mission of Brother Joshua indicates alot about the architect of this plan. I agree it says alot about the mind of the person who did it.... and the enemy that fell for it.
But I must be off to Providence for a few days of preaching near Unity Station. With the success of the CVA and it's allies in obtaining control of Karishal's Folly I have a new location from which to launch inspirational sermons and missions of God. Stay tuned to the Operation Blessing Updates for further information on my missionary work.
Amarr Victor!
Archbishop
Well technically, we stayed in system long enough to run several fruitless scan probe searches for your cloaked industrial and then to run a series of agent searches on the commanders of the loyalist fleet. As soon as that was done we decamped your lonely system and arrived in time to prevent the loyalist forces from entering Kor Azor Prime and forcing the bulk of their forces to dock while Brother Joshua found it neccessary to clone jump to pass the blockade that his "loyal" children could not bring themselves to force with their own ships and evidently lacking courage.
How do I know this? I was there. You of course were not. Case closed.
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Mistress Butterfly
Amarr Khanidco
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:05:00 -
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I was there in local and watched the fleet stop the amarrs from coming to korazorprime instead they ran and hid at a station and let one ship escort the freighter to the system. I was sitting there talking to one of the star fraction pilots and exchanging a couple of evemails with her when the freighters came buy and there were no amarrs except one from ordo corp protecting it. The star fraction pilots missed the freighters because when they jumped in the freighters were jumping in to the other way and they must have crossed at the gate because when the frieghter appeared all the star fraction pilots were gone already. The amarrs abandoned the freighters and they were at risk of destruction so it was only luck they made it not the skill of the amarrs so star fraction did succeed in stopping the amarrs and only missed the freighters because of bad timing.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 14:10:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
As soon as that was done we decamped your lonely system and arrived in time to prevent the loyalist forces from entering Kor Azor Prime and forcing the bulk of their forces to dock while Brother Joshua found it neccessary to clone jump to pass the blockade that his "loyal" children could not bring themselves to force with their own ships and evidently lacking courage.
Repeat that lie a few more times and your members may believe it.
The good brother Joshua and a number of industrial ships and freighters entered Kor Azor Prime by the normal use of the stargate from Amdonen. He was escorted on that last jump by a few ships from the OQ while the PIE fleet remained on the gate in Amdonen. We remained there long enough to engage your scouts and have you believe that you had a chance to destroy our singnificntly outnumbered fleet. As was to be expected you once more took the bait and jumped your entire gang through to Amdonen. At this point we had accomplished our mission of keeping Kor Azor Prime save for the Speaker and his witnesses and withdrew our forces from the gate.
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Heero Yuy
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:31:00 -
[104]
The members do believe it - because the members were there too.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:43:00 -
[105]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 15:40:14
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne As was to be expected you once more took the bait and jumped your entire gang through to Amdonen. At this point we had accomplished our mission of keeping Kor Azor Prime save for the Speaker and his witnesses and withdrew our forces from the gate.
Wrong.
I personally was in Kor-Azor, on that gate at all times, and did not jump through.
I personally saw Brother Joshua appear in local. At which point I recommended the gang remain on the gate.
I personally saw that Brother Joshua did not decloak. I checked every ship that decloaked as did others.
I personally saw that Brother Joshua then disappeared from local. At this point, knowing you would not have any need to jump through, the gang jumped having heard scouts report you were making ready to warp away.
I draw a certain conclusion from this. I believe that Brother Joshua transited from the gate to the planet by means other than a simple ship.
You can call me a liar all you like but I know what I saw.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 16:13:00 -
[106]
You can of course believe what you want if it helps you overcome your failures in the field. But instead of accusing the good Brother of employing a jumpclone or other "magical" ways to travel you should maybe listen to the words of someone who was actually with the gang in question after the jump into Kor Azor Prime.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 16:23:00 -
[107]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 16:19:53
Both sides have a view. He did not 'waltz' through our fleet and that is the only comment I wish to counter.
I actually suggest we drop it now. Any further speculation gets into territory that is not worth exploring in my view.
What is clear is that the Brother, by whatever means, succeeded in reaching the planet and carrying out his mission.
This is clearly a success for the forces escorting him across the whole Kor-Azor region, despite a very confused situation at a single gate.
The Cosmopolite
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:38:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne You can of course believe what you want if it helps you overcome your failures in the field. But instead of accusing the good Brother of employing a jumpclone or other "magical" ways to travel you should maybe listen to the words of someone who was actually with the gang in question after the jump into Kor Azor Prime.
Amarrian loyalists are proven liars. Their witness accounts mean nothing.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Amarrian loyalists are proven liars. Their witness accounts mean nothing.
And of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more (note: sarcasm). Especially when backed up by an "Independent" witness who just happens to be a frontman (or frontwoman in this case) for a business that is supplied and funded by an unknown entity, and thus inherently suspect. Beyond that it's a known factor that this unknown entity has SF-sympathies.
Overall (beyond the fact that the speaker did arrive safe and sound) this seems to be word against word. As such who you (third party) believe in is determined by who has (in the viewers eye) the greatest credibility.
Personally I tend to believe the escorting force (obvious given my loyalties, but also since OQ has never broken their word to me or anyone I know). Brother Joshua is as far as I know not a pod-pilot, and thus not likely to be cloned either (especially not given his position) casting an unfavorable light on your side of the story. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more
Why yes, yes it does.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.14 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more
Why yes, yes it does.
Only in your own mind and minds of people like you. You have one skill Jasmine Constantine. You're a skilled Pod-pilot. However for some ludicrous reason (note again: sarcasm) trust and the worth of your word doesn't seem to be dependant on how skilled you are when in control of a ship, but wether or not you're a decent human being or not.
Amazing isn't it. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
Tomahawk Bliss
INTAKI UNION The OSS
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Posted - 2007.04.14 22:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne You can of course believe what you want if it helps you overcome your failures in the field. But instead of accusing the good Brother of employing a jumpclone or other "magical" ways to travel you should maybe listen to the words of someone who was actually with the gang in question after the jump into Kor Azor Prime.
Amarrian loyalists are proven liars. Their witness accounts mean nothing.
the Amarr Loyalists you are fighting have proven time again to maintain their dignity and honor. this is with out question, something even their true enemies can attest to. you may not like their way, but they are honest about it and stick to it.
so yes Jasmine, their word counts for much.
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Heero Yuy
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 23:35:00 -
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I'd estimate it counts for exactly as much as yours. You being a backstabbing loudmouth, that isn't saying a whole lot however.
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.04.15 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more
Why yes, yes it does.
That almost made me laugh.
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite What is clear is that the Brother, by whatever means, succeeded in reaching the planet and carrying out his mission.
The mission of the Amarr loyalists was to ensure that he did. Consequently, I must conclude that we, at least, can concur that the Amarr loyalists did indeed meet our objectives.
It is words such as these, Mr Cosmopolite, that insure that I hold your opinion in so much higher esteem than the inane babbling so often presented by certain others in your alliance.
And regarding the value of the word of Jasmine Constantine:
Originally by: Heero Yuy I'd estimate it counts for exactly as much as yours. You being a backstabbing loudmouth, that isn't saying a whole lot however.
Ehm. One question.
If "you" are a backstabbing loudmouth in your opinion, and if the word of either "counts for exactly as much" - does that mean that you think that Jasmine is a "backstabbing loudmouth" too?
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.15 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: The Cosmopolite What is clear is that the Brother, by whatever means, succeeded in reaching the planet and carrying out his mission.
The mission of the Amarr loyalists was to ensure that he did. Consequently, I must conclude that we, at least, can concur that the Amarr loyalists did indeed meet our objectives.
It is words such as these, Mr Cosmopolite, that insure that I hold your opinion in so much higher esteem than the inane babbling so often presented by certain others in your alliance.
And regarding the value of the word of Jasmine Constantine:
Originally by: Heero Yuy I'd estimate it counts for exactly as much as yours. You being a backstabbing loudmouth, that isn't saying a whole lot however.
Ehm. One question.
If "you" are a backstabbing loudmouth in your opinion, and if the word of either "counts for exactly as much" - does that mean that you think that Jasmine is a "backstabbing loudmouth" too?
No wonder you have trouble making yourself understood when you struggle so mightily even to follow a simple line of conversation he was talking about Tomahawk clearly .
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