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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:10:00 -
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War against the Amarrian Capsular Militias
A conflict widely expected and eagerly awaited, finally the time has come to put the mythology of Amarrian supremacy to the test in the stern crucible of space combat. For the last six months Star Fraction has built its capability and military machine in a series of surgical conflicts against nationalist capsular militias with dramatic results; first in Mito with the complete annihilation of the Caldari loyalist Kimotoro Directive, and then in Placid with the suppression and scattering of the Gallente loyalist Cyrene Initiative. Through these campaigns SF have recruited talented free captains and continually refined the movementÆs in-space combat capability even as the tech2 industrial potential of the Fraction surpassed all but the greatest of outworld alliances with acquisition of the finest vessel blueprints in known space.
Logistical preparations took weeks, dozens of Star Fraction freighters moving from Placid and elsewhere in the core systems bringing material and weapons of war to the crown jewel of the Empire, Amarr Prime. Station Headquarters and hangers were acquired, tactical information prepared, industrial and support mechanisms brought to full battle readiness even as the Free Captains of the Star Fraction arrived with warships of all shapes and sizes, bristling with the finest weaponry and leading edge equipment from our laboratories.
For the second time in our history we were going into full scale war with the Amarrian capsular militias, almost two years since the last occasion, and this time we were making no mistakes or compromises with the commitment and certitude of our intervention. We moved the entirety of our alliance, a huge majority of our equipment, the balance of our vessels and the whole of our hopes and intentions to the Emperor Academy Station in Amarr Prime û ready to drive the oldest and proudest Amarrian nationalist entity to exile from the seat of their power and chosen headquarters.
PIE Inc. Corporation was fully in our sights, for too long this entity has claimed power on behalf of its itself and the myth of Amarrian dominance û for too long it has existed in the heart of the Amarr Empire piggy-backing on the deeds of others and playing host to the sinister machinations of fiendish clergymen and prattling politicians. We fully believed that PIE Inc. Corporation existed as a paper tiger, a hollow sham of prideful vainglory subsisting on past history alone. By driving this entity to exile and denying the sustenance of the Amarr capital system to the self proclaimed ôdefenders of the Empireö weÆd strike a blow against the delusions of nationalism and stake out a Judas Goat to make our presence known to all.
Opening Moves û The Battle of Shaha
The formal declaration of war was made at one minute past midnight on 31/3 of the month with the concord sanctioning coming into force the following day at the 1/4 of the month. Star Fraction Free Captains were prepared at the onset for a mighty fleet battle in Amarr Prime system with a great array of warships and technology to be employed against the Amarrian loyalists but the deadline came and passed without any great show of PIE INC. forces to oppose Fraction space superiority.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:13:00 -
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It was to be a day of scouting skirmishes therefore and we had to wait for several hours to experience the first engagement of the war that saw PIE captain Kostantine Mort removed from his Arbitrator class Cruiser by a light SF patrol to symbolise first blood in the campaign. It was to be an expensive beginning however, for though PIE Battlecruiser captain Vlad Konstantinov would join monsieur Mort in the wreckage of an Harbinger class vessel, a rapid PIE Inc. reinforcement saw the destruction of a Fraction Sleipnir class Command Cruiser and Brutix class Battlecruiser in reprisal. First blood to Star Fraction but battle honours to PIE. Fortunately it wouldnÆt take long to settle the balance to our favour.
Two hours later and Konstantinov was unshipped again with he and PIE Captain Myrrdin losing Curse class Recon cruisers to a large Fraction patrol in Sarum Prime. To add to an intervening loss of Crusader Class Interceptor during the initial positioning in Amar system û the balance of kills was looking better.
The grand finale of the opening day occurred in Shaha system however, with a sizable PIE Inc. war fleet consisting of many battleships and support vessels appearing to be fully in the mood for a fight and finding themselves opposed by a smaller but more efficient Star Fraction wing. Operating on intelligence from a friendly source in theatre the Fraction group discovered that the PIE fleet was heading towards an unknown destination away from Amarr and a pursuit was swiftly arranged.
After a brief sighting in Misha the PIE fleet is finally trapped by the Star Fraction group in Shaha system and a bloody battle ensues with Archbishop of PIE being the first casualty losing his Armageddon class battleship under combined fire from the free captains, as one by one the PIE gang drop their cloaks and engage the SF force. Gaius Kador loses his Absolution class Command ship next, Harbinger Class Battlecruisers piloted by Shaikar and Windle Poons are eliminated, and two more ArmageddonÆs and an Apocalypse explode under incoming fire costing Kaisho Ohad, Ma RaiaÆl and Anatolius their ships. Light support from a Coercer class Destroyer and Executioner class Frigate join the death count before the PIE gang scrambles an escape and goes to deep safe locations to preserve its remaining ships.
Victory then but the cost is significant with SF casualties in the fight including a Curse class Recon ship, Deimos class Heavy Assault Cruiser, two Armageddon class battleships and a sturdy Thorax class cruiser of the traditional design. Fortunately for the Free Captains the loot and wreckage pays well and the engagement is considered a notable success.
The War broadens û Aegis Militia and Vigilia Valeria
A little more than twenty four hours onwards from our own declaration of war we received a pair in return from Aegis Militia and Vigilia Valeria corporations, both with the stated aim of protecting PIE Inc. from Star Fraction aggression and ensuring that our vessels would be unable to claim decisive space superiority in and around the Amarrian prime systems.
Aegis Militia were no strangers to Star Fraction guns having trying unsuccessfully to defend the Caldari Nationalist Kimotoro Directive alliance from us in Mito and having received a bloody nose and the execution of its executor in that conflict.
Vigilia Valeria a less known quantity but reckoned to have one or two seasoned pilots and a similar ôdefend the empireö aspiration to PIE Inc. Itself. Well, it seemed the Judas Goat had brought in its first two sheep and we added the pilot names to our intel database and prepared the slaughterhouse.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:18:00 -
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PIE Special Orders û Operation ômeatshieldö
Following their humbling in the Shaha system PIE supreme command gave orders to its captains to exercise extreme caution when encountering Star Fraction vessels, with amendments to standing ROE that loyalist fighters should immediately ôgo safeö seek reinforcements and avoid all engagements with Free Captains without having the clear advantage in firepower and numbers.
PIE members were advised to move all non-combat ships from Amarr Prime and prepare to run to Low security systems under the cover of the CVA if threatened by ongoing pursuit. It certainly seemed the opening days of the war had rattled their resolve!
Fortunately for PIE however the AM and VV war declarations were going live and PIE command would be able to count on the intervention of these third party organisations to provide cover for its own exodus and notable absence from the combat zone in core Amarr Systems.
This seemed to present no major offence to the newcomers to the war however and they gladly stepped into the breach û a decision that would cost them dearly as the week progressed.
Targets remained relatively plentiful in this period, and SF patrols scored some prime kills including an Absolution class Command Ship from Vigilia Valeria in Misaba system (right under the nose of the CVA non-declared allies).
Another Harbinger class Battlecruiser from PIE Inc. pilot Jonzy Lothos joined the death count, a prime kill was scored on Rodj BlakeÆs Abaddon class Battleship that was seconds to slow to run from a busted safe spot with the rest of a fleeing PIE fleet, and a whole variety of Aegis Militia vessels from Pilgrim class Recon cruisers (Soratah and Desslokh) to Blackbirds (Rejected and Zazi Masumi) a Guardian Class logistics cruiser (Soratah again) a Dominix Class Battleship (Desslokh again) and all sorts of general support vessel from Arbitrator to Rupture to Hurricane and Maller, Celestis and even tech1 frigates where despatched to wrecks in the pursuit Star Fracton space superiority.
It seemed Aegis Militia was bringing a whole grab-bag of assorted multi-national vessel hulls to the party û all of which we were happy to destroy and loot in the interests of opposing Imperial conceit.
Star Fraction losses in the period were light, with the majority of our casualties rated in single-seat Interceptor, Assault Frigate and tech1 hull categories.
Aegis Militia had fulfilled its mission profile though - for in drawing our attention theyÆd bought PIE Inc. some time to withdraw from Amarr and nurse their wounds. All in the service of the Empire evidently.
The Amarrian principle of Unity
PIE Inc. propagandist Archbishop has often rattled the boards here on Galnet on the nature of Unity, and telling us all how the Amarrian nationalists stick together against all threats and external challenges û how this practise marks them as superior and how the ôlesser racesö should learn to respect the principle virtue of this concept and understand it is the root of Amarrian power. Interesting then to see how the principle of ôunityö manifests in the PIE Inc. war strategy, particular in terms of their treatment of allies and ability (and indeed will) to respond to allied requests for help.
Wednesday began with a customary slaughter of PIE Inc. allies while their only pilots were safely docked up in stations a safe distance from Amarr Prime. Two Harbinger class Battlecruisers (Caius Cornelius and Yo****o Sanders) an Armageddon class Battleship (Lowanaera) a transport ship, industrial and multiple lower ranked tech1 hulls and a pair of Interceptors fell to roving SF patrols with absolutely no substantive support from PIE.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:22:00 -
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Later on in the day however a light Star Fraction patrol consisting of several tech2 cruisers and a single Command Battlecruiser hull made sight of PIE Inc. CEO Lallara Zhuul daring to show her face in Amarr and attacked immediately against the odds in an attempt to claim the Amarrian leader as a scalp.
It turned out to be an unwise attack as Lallara commanded 3 Armageddon class Battleships and a Pilgrim Class Recon cruiser of her own and the SF wing was defeated for the loss of Jade ConstantineÆs Sleipnir and NekumiÆs Rook class Recon ship.
LallaraÆs Armageddon was heavily damaged in the fighting however and fled to dock from SF reinforcements and remained there with her wing for the rest of the day.
Shortly afterwards the reinforced SF wing found more Amarrian targets from the Aegis Militia in Nakri system and immediately engaged again expecting Lallara would bring her ArmageddonÆs in support so resolving to finish off the targets most speedily.
An Aegis Armageddon (Xadesgod) Harbinger (Ghunnar) and Arbitrator (Einsteinnme) were eliminated during the fleeting moments during which we fully expected PIEÆs fleet to interrupt our destruction and looting - but they never came, in fact throughout the whole engagement they never even left the docks in Amarr.
So this was Amarrian Unity?
Having claimed her own kills and docked in heavy structure damage the PIE Inc. CEO had no intention of responding to the cries for help of the outgunned Aegis Militiamen û interesting, perhaps ôunityö only flows one way, and as Amarrian supremacist ôelitesö of the Capsular Militias the PIE captains feel no obligation to stand with their lower caste fellows in Aegis Militia.
And so the day went from bad to worse for the Amarrian auxiliaries while PIE remained docked, with four more tech1 cruisers, a pair of tech2 frigates, another of the seemingly endless supply of Harbingers and an unfortunate Abaddon class Battleship piloted by Gracchus of Vigilia Valaria falling to a powerful Star Fraction raiding force in Hama System.
So much then for Unity, it was clear that when the chips were down it was every Amarrian for himself.
The Amarrian Principle of Commitment
To be scrupulously fair we saw a little of this from a single pilot in PIE tags through the day, Kostantine Mort with his lone Malediction Class Interceptor showed the flag for PIE while their allies bore the brunt of the Star Fraction attacks around the core systems.
Mort also scored the sole PIE pod-kill of the week against a nSF pilot, eliminating the Crow Interceptor and then capsule of Free Captain Jidaru Tamos.
Revenge was swift however with SF Executor Jade Constantine destroying Kostantine MortÆs vessel with her own Crow and holding the PraetorianÆs capsule in a warp scrambler beam long enough for the entire SF patrol wing to share in the kill in recognition of the death of a single Free Captain.
Mort didnÆt beg and met his death with stoicism and dignity. To be respected for that at least.
But aside from this fleeting glimpse of Commitment to the protection of the Empire they claim to revere, no more PIE, and nothing but victims as the Star Fraction forces ran rampant through core empire space and claimed multiple kills including: Prophecy class Battlecruiser, a pair of Pilgrim Class Recon cruisers, several interceptors and four tech1 cruisers at the cost of one of our Curse Class Recon cruisers, a Brutix battlecruiser and a Thorax hull.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:26:00 -
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In truth Aegis Militia seemed far more committed to this conflict than the target of our offensive did and the very word ôcommitmentö rang hollow in contrast with the behaviour of PIE Inc. as an organisation. Commitment from where we stand is twenty seven pilots at the command of ships and twenty seven pilots in gang.
Commitment is something the Star Fraction has and the Amarri militias have thus far lacked, and far from the near 100% commitment free captains have to the task at hand we often see dozens of Amarrians at comms, in stations, in far providence, anywhere in fact but in combat gangs seeking to ôdefendö the Empire they claim to protect.
The Amarrian Principle of Virtue
Again Archbishop preached of this concept, lauding the nobility of PIE and the Amarrian way of life û loyalist principles and the supreme right of the slave-owner to hold sentient life in their thrall.
But what if the slave-owner is a coward? What if the holder is a gutless creature of no vertebrae unable to walk erect let alone dominate another life form?
What if the virtue Archbishop speaks of is the virtue of not being there when the fighting is to be done û and it must be said that after the destruction of that fellowÆs Armageddon in the opening battle of the war we havenÆt yet seen him since. (Aside from these rumours of sneaking around academy systems in a warp core stabalised bestower handing out copies of pax amarria with laser skill books looking for new recruits).
Virtue though seemed a poor defence for the luckless Aegis Militia and over the course of Friday they suffered the loss of three battleships (Dominix, Scorpion, and Armageddon) three more Harbingers, four Arbitrator class cruisers, a Celestius and a Rupture and a pair of tech1 frigates.
Tens of thousands of Amarrian loyalist lives obliterated in the ruins of their ships all for cost of exactly zero Fraction crew losses and the downing of a pair of single seat Taranis class interceptors.
Where then is Virtue? I imagine it sits somewhere between self respect and individual capability, but again its difficult to find amongst the PIE ranks for members of that organisation are denied individual courage by a ROE that precludes duelling and prevented from the redemption of stoic commitment by standing orders to avoid even fights and uncertain outcomes.
But the real truth about Amarri virtue is yet to come; where we find that it costs about 100m isk a week in unwelcome wardec fees. Read on!
Absolute Slaughter at Amarr Prime
Unbeknown to us at that time Aegis Militia was having internal problems sustaining the rate of ship losses and paying the concord war declaration fee against the Star Fraction, their officers began to look for options of passing off the expense to a third party and gaining additional allies into the equation and perhaps expecting this course of action to pay off in the near future committed to a rash and entirely disastrous attempt to gain space superiority over the Star Fraction fleet in Amarr Prime.
Choosing what must have seemed an ideal moment with only seven Star Fraction pilots active and at their communications links the Aegis Militia fleet moved into position around the Emperor Academy Station with a force consisting of Two Battleships (Both ArmageddonÆs) Four Battlecruisers (2 Harbingers, 1 Myrmidon, 1 Drake) + 1 Blackbird, 1 Arbitrator, and a Crow Interceptor.
Sighting Star Fraction Executor Jade Constantine in a Raven class Battleship the AM wing immediately opened fire in close proximity to the station in what was to be a fatefully decisive and costly mistake.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:29:00 -
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Unfortunately for Aegis Militia when seven Star Fraction pilots are active that means they are in their ships and fully prepared to give battle and almost immediately they counterattacked with 100% commitment of Alliance personnel to meet the threat to SF fleet supremacy.
It was an utter rout, and within four violent minutes every Aegis Militia starship was destroyed save the Drake class Battlecruiser of Zazi Masumi who was luckily just out of scrambling range and fled the system to preserve his vessel. Star Fraction losses accounted to a single Caracal class medium cruiser that the Aegis squadron had mistaken for a Cerberus in the initial fire coordination and had succumbed to the combined fire of three AM Battlecruisers.
In the aftermath of the slaughter AM pilots were picked off trying to escape from the system in whatever ships they could rustle up and all pretence of ordered resistance from the Amarrian paramilitaries faded.
An hour after the battle at Amarr came notification that the Aegis Militia had petitioned Concord to nullify their declaration of war and speculation was rife that weÆd done enough to break the back of their assault already.
Not so, for it seemed the cunning Amarrians had another plan in mind and shortly afterwards Star Fraction received a formal concord war declaration from the The OSS, an outworld alliance we actually had positive standings and good relations with, and was currently host to the erstwhile allies weÆd made in the Placid campaign, Intaki Union. What in space was going on? At that point we had absolutely no idea.
Still, there was 24 hours yet to go before the AM wardec was fully nullified and we resolved to make the most of it:
10 assorted tech1 cruisers were eliminated in total around the Aegis Militia forward base in Nakri along with a Brutix class Battlecruiser, another Pilgrim class Recon cruiser, a Purifier class Covert ops frigate and even a Manticore class Stealth bomber. It seemed to be something of a last hurrah for Aegis Militia and these Amarrian paramilitaries seemed careless of their crews and personal survival and many paid the price for their recklessness in the face of Star Fraction watchful scrutiny.
It wasnÆt all one way traffic however, and Fraction wings took losses too with: 2 Battlecruisers, 2 tech1 cruisers and a pair of single seat Taranis class Interceptors being lost in the maintenance of our unquestioned space superiority.
Political Manoeuvres û Aegis Militia seek a Sugar Daddy
Diplomatic traffic now arrived and Star Fraction representatives held meetings with various officials involved with the Intaki Union and OSS to discover precisely what was intended by the concord war declaration.
In short it appeared that a Director of Intaki Union (Bastables) wishing to help the Aegis Militia war effort had suggested that Aegis Militia petition for membership of the OSS and the OSS itself should wardec Star Fraction to allow the Aegis Militia war vs Star Fraction to continue with Intaki Union support and OSS bearing the brunt of the war fees.
Confusing, and in fact we had radically conflicting messages arriving from the Intaki Union in and of itself, many of its pilots seeing us still as good and honourable allies of the Placid Campaign and wanting nothing of conflict with Star Fraction, while others demanded that Star Fraction ôcease its aggression against Aegis Militia or face attack."
Then it appeared that OSS itself was in the dark as to the machinations of IU Director Bastables and had no wish to simply allow itself to be used to pay the Aegis Militia war fee as a shield of convenience for Amarrian paramilitaries.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:33:00 -
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From our perspective we had to consider BastableÆs plan to be a declaration of hostility at least and this led the dissolution of recent pact of friendship and alliance between IU and SF while negotiations continued.
All we could do is wait and see - that and slay more Aegis Militia vessels in the dog days of their sanctioned war declaration (for it now appeared from diplomatic sources they were not going to be able to join OSS and their concord war would inevitably lapse as the paperwork went through).
In the final hours of Aegis Militia war (mark 1) we accounted for another Scorpion class Battleship (Shayna BaoWolfe) a pair of Battlecruisers (Hurricane and Myrmidon) a Retribution class Assault Frigate, another of the legion of disposable Arbitrators and sprinkling of tech1 frigates flown by their younger captains.
As for the OSS / Intaki Union / AM axis it seemed not to be. And though the Aegis Militia wardec lapsed as planned their membership of the OSS was not processed and in due course the OSS itself withdrew the Star Fraction concord declaration with no significant losses on either side, with OSS and SF agreeing to restore previously friendly standings thereafter.
What happens now with Bastables and Intaki Union is anybodies guess. Some sources suggest that Bastables will leave Intaki Union and return to the helm of Aegis Militia as CEO and commander and attempt to improve on Yo****o SanderÆs recent record. Others that Intaki Union itself will leave OSS and join the war in its own right. At this point it is still too early to speculate further.
The Battle of Amarr Prime and pursuit
With Aegis Militia out of the fight for a period it fell to PIE Inc. to do their own fighting on Sunday and as the day drew on it became clear to Star Fraction commanders that something big was in the making as the tempo of skirmish and scouting reports steadily increased.
The Free Captains maintained a sizable HAC and Interceptor based raiding force throughout the day and was able to claim the first PIE casualties for quite a while: Gaven LokriÆs Crusader, AÆrdan VulpayneÆs Malediction, MyrridinÆs Retribution, Father TatroÆs Arbitrator and Lucius CorneliusÆ own Malediction class Interceptor fell to SF action as the PIE/VV numbers steadily increased in Amarr Prime signalling (we hoped) their intention to engage in a formal battle to contest our fleet superiority and in-space dominance.
We were not to be disappointed.
PIE had planned well and assembled a vast fleet of golden warships (25 vessels around a core strike wing of 10 direct-fire Battleships, 4 Battlecruisers, and assorted support cruisers and tech2 frigates rounding out their force)
The initial SF force opposing numbered (18 vessels around a core of 4 Battleships, 2 Battlecruisers, 4 tech2 Cruisers, 7 Interceptors and an Assault Frigate.)
Feeling secure in the balance of numbers and firepower the PIE CEO Lallara Zhuul finally authorised engagement and offered a vessel as ôbaitö at the Emperor Academy Station that was swiftly taken by SF pilot Azure SkycladÆs Jaguar class Assault Frigate and suddenly the sky turned to chaos and bloody violence as 43 opposing vessels and a whole host of uninvolved looting neutrals were hurled into a maelstrom of epic proportions.
Fire control was difficult, the environment confusing, but the radically outgunned SF fleet gave a good account of itself as the brave Heavy Assault Cruisers bore the brunt of the initial assault stripped of their native advantages of manoeuvre and speed in the proximity of the station.
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:37:00 -
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A nicely written work of fiction and propaganda.
I look forward to next weeks.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:39:00 -
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Total losses from the first stage of the engagement came too:
SF loss = 4 Battleships, 2 Battlecruisers, 4 tech2 cruisers. (the entirety of our heavy ship wing)
PIE loss = 6 Battleships (+another to targeting mishap leading to the loss of an Abaddon class
Battleship and execution of Rodj Blake in the melee)
But as SF vessels fell their pilots immediately reshipped and frigate pilots likewise so the SF fleet was continually reinforced until the PIE commander was forced to call the retreat and go safe in Amarr or lose everything she had in space. Expensive certainly, but Star Fraction had held the field (even if the loot on both sides had mostly been stolen by the Privateers and resident Amarrian native salvage experts)
Still, the situation in space had swung radically in our favour and we now outgunned the significantly mauled PIE fleet and had watchful scouts at all gates from Amarr ready to report the direction of their inevitable flight and retreat from their capital system.
And retreat it was, the PIE/VV fleet heading in full speed out of Amarr with the Star Fraction wing in full pursuit. At Ashab system lead elements of the SF forces caught PIE CEO Lallara ZhuulÆs Armageddon class Battleship in the midst of her retreating fleet and while they all fled from our two interceptors Lallara was held from warping until our vengeful Battleship contingent arrived in system and reduced her vessel (despite its 3x1600 rolled tungsten plate armour augmentation) to wreckage in seconds with the joy of the execution falling to my own guns as I pumped 425 SpikeII railgun slugs into the capsule of the Arch nationalist with great satisfaction to claim her corpse for The Cosmopolite's laboratories.
Pursuit was resumed and in Ekid system Gaven LokÆri fell to the same tactics and seized from the safety of his rapidly diminishing fleet he was held for our forces to catch up. Gaven clearly learning a lesson from LallaraÆs death tried the desperate tactic of turning off all his weapons and frenziedly trying to jump back through the stargate to potential safety but it wasnÆt to be and his ship suffered the indiginity of defeat without firing back at its foes. The weight of firepower falling onto the hull of his Armageddon made escape impossible and he was fortunate to escape with his capsule intact as his warship buckled and exploded with a satisfying corona of radioactive debris.
Realising that retreat as a group was now inadvisable and stripped of effective leadership the remnants of the PIE/VV force dissipated and separated to individual docks a long way from Amarr. Victory was ours!
At the cost of 10 of our vessels weÆd destroyed 8(9) PIE Line Battleships from an initially radically outgunned position and turned the fight to our advantage in the process reducing Amarri discipline to an undignified rout across space. We'd slain the leader of PIE and watched her forces abandon her to death and that was truly a sweet moment. Space superiority was ours and in the wake of the PIE/VV defeat we caught and podded more of their pilots fleeting the capital system and surrounds in shuttles and tech1 frigates in wild disarray. Mission accomplished.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 09/04/2007 15:43:27
Conclusion
So this has been the opening week of ôOperation Judas Goatö and its met our expectations completely. Immediate objectives of the campaign successful with Star Fraction maintaining space superiority virtually 24/7 in Amarr Prime and surrounding systems and every single Amarian Loyalist counter fleet destroyed or scattered in short order. Though numerically superior on paper the Amarrian axis lacks unity, commitment and indeed virtue in the conduct of the campaign and has been found wanting. When fifty nationalist militiamen are seen active and at their comms we rarely see more than a tenth of that number in space and actually fighting in defence of the principles they laud so loudly on Galnet. Yet when a dozen Fraction pilots are active all of them are prepared to do what must be done to win this war. ThatÆs the statistic that counts.
Still, this is just the beginning. And though the first week of fighting alone has seen us almost double the kill damage caused in the entirety of the Cyrene Initiative campaign, and get halfway to the total in Mito even, we all know there is a long way to go. What the Amarrian nationalists lack in Unity, Commitment and Virtue they make up for in pride and propaganda and stubborn refusal to face the facts in space. PIE will not go down easily for they are one of the oldest capsular corporations in the Star Cluster and they carry the torch of prestige for all nationalist Amarri throughout known space. They are funded by rich industrialists with very deep pockets, they have allies overt and hidden and they know all the tricks of press manipulation public relations legerdemain to assuage their egos and bolster morale. This target is still live and kicking.
And the ôJudas Goatö has more work to do yet. This war is only getting just getting started!
Statistically (the war so far):
SF has lost 6 Battleships, 6 Battlecruisers, 2 Command Ships, 9 Tech2 Cruisers, 6 Cruisers, 2 Assault Frigates, 14 Interceptors, 1 Frigates and 1 Capsules to PIE/Allied action in the war so far.
PIE/Allies have lost 23 Battleships, 21 Battlecruisers, 6 Tech2 Cruisers, 41 Cruisers, 5 Assault Frigates, 10 Interceptors, 2 Covert Ops Frigates, 16 Frigates, 1 Industrials, 1 Transport Ship and 43 capsules to SF action in the war so far.
The current Star Fraction ôtop gunsö for the campaign are Bacchanalian and Axen Vormar of Jericho Fraction. Special recognition this week must also go to SF pilots Coran Ordus and Alyne Lylshander who have committed to a wide variety of combat operations and supported revolution with distinction and valor and will each be receiving an Interceptor class vessel of their choice from the Jericho Fraction shipyards.
We are also giving a special price to the Amarrian ôdock-monkeyö of the week to the enemy combatant with the greatest ratio of Galnet Posts to combat appearances and this week there can be only one winner with Octavinus Augustus scoring a staggering infinite ratio with hundreds of forum posts and thus far zero participations in either kills or losses in the campaign in space! Well done Octavinus, please give us your choice of tech1 Amarrian frigate that we can escrow to you in the Emperor Academy to encourage you to come and take part.
We also have a film with some of this week's footage arranged for us by SF pilot Tareen Kashaar which can be downloaded from the link below:
Week One Combat Documentary
Alternative Torrent Link
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Madelchai
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Solusar
A nicely written work of fiction and propaganda.
I look forward to next weeks.
Funny how someone who thinks himself knowledgeable about what is and isn't fiction is one so far removed from the conflict which he's finding it necessary to comment on.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:18:00 -
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Damn its good to be reading these again  . So far, so good.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:20:00 -
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With so many words in this tale, I don't know what be more amazed by - the factual inaccuracies, the things you've embellished, or the things that you left out.
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:23:00 -
[14]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
With so many words in this tale, I don't know what be more amazed by - the factual inaccuracies, the things you've embellished, or the things that you left out.
By all means then, post a War Diary of your own rather than sniping with one-liners from the sidelines.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:23:00 -
[15]
Well, that impressive bloc of information certainly filled my quota of browsing for the day.
I love reading a good tale almost as much as I love hearing about the destruction of PIE's fleets. You're doing well SF, but PIE's just the tip of the iceberg.
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Habraka
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:29:00 -
[16]
Everyone who has fought PIE/Aegis in the last two years knows they'll generally stay docked or run unless they have the support of dozens of CVA allies. The grim reality is that is that any of the empire based Amarrian paramilitary entities are uncapable of defending the Empire, and that the 0.0 based CVA needs to recruit tons of 'lesser races' to try and defend their allies in PIE Inc, Aegis Militia and VV.
It's a shame I have to miss the slaughter though, it's always fun to fly next to SF, but there are bigger fish to fry at the moment.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:31:00 -
[17]
I'm starting to notice something of a pattern in the behaviour of the Amarrian nationalists - worth looking into I assure you - before the ink has even dried, the generic claims of spin and fabrication are unleashed.
...almost as if written before they've even read the thing they're objecting to
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:35:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 09/04/2007 16:31:38
It was quite ironic that the CVA representative condemned the diary as "fiction" before I even managed to publish the figures and statistics. Talk about a blind monkey.
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Khavi Vetali
Team Americas
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:36:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Rodj Blake
With so many words in this tale, I don't know what be more amazed by - the factual inaccuracies, the things you've embellished, or the things that you left out.
By all means then, post a War Diary of your own rather than sniping with one-liners from the sidelines.
I think it's been shown quite readily that the only recourse the Amarrian paramilitaries have at the moment is to point fingers and shout "Liar, Liar."
Originally by: Itanis
"Hello there mate, I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm going to have to sodomize you with howitzers. Have a lovely day!"
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Verone
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:51:00 -
[20]
Well, I was eager to read this until I opened it to find myself confronted with a solid wall of text.
Would anyone who hasn't had a Thesaurus and Dictionary for breakfast care to summarise?
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:54:00 -
[21]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 09/04/2007 16:31:38
It was quite ironic that the CVA representative condemned the diary as "fiction" before I even managed to publish the figures and statistics. Talk about a blind monkey.
It has more to do with the fact that you, like Revan, have become utterly predictable. Your attacts on PIE have been predicted ever since the campaign against Kimotoro Directive, and your "war diaries" are so predictable that it's now (with 99% certainty) possible to refute them even before they come out.
I like the "privateers and flunkies"-clause though. Nice one.
The Sunday "victory" was also quite nice, it could almost cover up the fact that PIE battleship losses were almost exclusivly Armageddons, a nice cheap Tier 1 Battleships, in exchange for almost exclusivly Tier 2 ones plus multiple heavy assault cruisers.
Overall an excellent review of last weeks events... Well, if you put on "Revan Neferis" goggles that is.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:55:00 -
[22]
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Sakura Nihil
Originally by: Rodj Blake
With so many words in this tale, I don't know what be more amazed by - the factual inaccuracies, the things you've embellished, or the things that you left out.
By all means then, post a War Diary of your own rather than sniping with one-liners from the sidelines.
I think it's been shown quite readily that the only recourse the Amarrian paramilitaries have at the moment is to point fingers and shout "Liar, Liar."
I imagine that Jasmine Constantine will be along shortly to tell you that you have idea about what's going on, and that you have no right to post here on the grounds that you haven't fought in this conflict.
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Tomahawk Bliss
INTAKI UNION
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:12:00 -
[23]
to clarify for OSS's involvment
Bastables had nothing to do with it, I asked for the war and it was declared. SF's luck was that Naphtalia, CEO of Black Rabbits has a personal friendship with a few members of OSS' leadership (something I didn't know at the time) and was able to cause enough trouble in defence of Sani Sabik and Star Fraction that it wasn't worth the issue.
I was looking forward to some fun in Amarr, I made a request and OSS obliged. simple as that, no cloak and dagger games or anything of the like. don't paint it so romantic.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Khavi Vetali
Team Americas
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:16:00 -
[24]
Edited by: Khavi Vetali on 09/04/2007 17:14:19
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I imagine that Jasmine Constantine will be along shortly to tell you that you have idea about what's going on, and that you have no right to post here on the grounds that you haven't fought in this conflict.
Why would she, you just did it for her. I don't really think it requires participation in this conflict to see how soundly you're getting thrashed. All it requires is reviewing the appropriate records and reading between the lines.
I had the impression Jasmine's comments on the participation issue had to do with pilots residing in the corporations currently at war avoiding the conflict and simply spewing endless amounts of vitriolic bile. By all means though, continue to twist and squirm. You remind me of unfortunate memories û watching a slave die from lack of Vitoc. How ironic.
Edit: Also, be careful what you wish for.
Originally by: Itanis
"Hello there mate, I'm dreadfully sorry, but I'm going to have to sodomize you with howitzers. Have a lovely day!"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:17:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Khavi Vetali
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I imagine that Jasmine Constantine will be along shortly to tell you that you have idea about what's going on, and that you have no right to post here on the grounds that you haven't fought in this conflict.
Why would she, you just did it for her. I don't really think it requires participation in this conflict to see how soundly you're getting thrashed. All it requires is reviewing the appropriate records and reading between the lines.
I had the impression Jasmine's comments on the participation issue had to do with pilots residing in the corporations currently at war avoiding the conflict and simply spewing endless amounts of vitriolic bile. By all means though, continue to twist and squirm. You remind me of unfortunate memories û watching a slave die from lack of Vitoc. How ironic.
Your bias here is obvious.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:22:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I imagine that Jasmine Constantine will be along shortly to tell you that you have idea about what's going on, and that you have no right to post here on the grounds that you haven't fought in this conflict.
But Rodj, you've forgotten that in SF morals those rules don't apply to SF/SF flunkies.
So far we can sum up it with these few certain aspects of SF ideology:
If Non-SF pay off pirates they're cowards.
If SF/SF-flunkies ransom a ship they're humanitarians.
If non-SF pod-pilots don't engage their enemies in direct ship-to-ship combat they're cowards worthy of no respect.
If SF/SF-flunkies don't engage their enemies in direct combat they "got more important things to do, being the real power in the galaxy and the grand puppet-masters".
Dismissing SF-arguments (no matter how good your counter-arguments are) means that you're a "deluded fool".
However a fully acceptable reason to dismiss non-SF arguments is that "They're not worthy of respect".
Not engaging SF forces (regardless of the tactical situation) is cowardice.
SF forces not engaging hostiles is "tactics".
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:23:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
to clarify for OSS's involvment
Bastables had nothing to do with it, I asked for the war and it was declared. SF's luck was that Naphtalia, CEO of Black Rabbits has a personal friendship with a few members of OSS' leadership (something I didn't know at the time) and was able to cause enough trouble in defence of Sani Sabik and Star Fraction that it wasn't worth the issue.
I was looking forward to some fun in Amarr, I made a request and OSS obliged. simple as that, no cloak and dagger games or anything of the like. don't paint it so romantic.
So you are saying you meant to openly backstab a onetime ally then?
Interesting.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:42:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I'd consider it a personal favour if the Amarrians not actually fighting this war could continue their endless nonsensical torturing of logic in one of the numerous threads they have designed for the purpose elsewhere. Keep this thread for commenting on the war diary please. (And yes, I would like the ISD mods to intervene and remove off topic discussion if possible to ensure this thread doesn't get bogged down with irrelevent discussion that has nothing to do with this weeks diary).
And what about non-Amarrians not actually fighting the war?
As long as they don't debate endless nonsensical logical points with absolutely nothing to do with this week's war diary they are quite welcome to post their opinions on the topic of this thread.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:50:00 -
[29]
Tomahawk,
Communications from your superiors tell a different story.
Your personal attempts at dictating Star Fraction's third party standings, however, speak their clear language and you have well revealed yourself unredeemably as the treacherous snake that you are. Most amusing of that was the demand that we renounce our aggression against a party that declared war on us.
Truly, you seem to have lost any grip you ever had.
Enjoy your future.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:58:00 -
[30]
Quite a shame that. Ah well, these things happen.
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:22:00 -
[31]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I'd consider it a personal favour if the Amarrians not actually fighting this war could continue their endless nonsensical torturing of logic in one of the numerous threads they have designed for the purpose elsewhere. Keep this thread for commenting on the war diary please. (And yes, I would like the ISD mods to intervene and remove off topic discussion if possible to ensure this thread doesn't get bogged down with irrelevent discussion that has nothing to do with this weeks diary).
Well, we couldn't have you feel in any way obliged now could we little Jasmine.
I really do think you ought to change your name from Star Fraction to Star Fiction. It somehow appear to be a more suitable name.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:22:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Pezzle on 09/04/2007 18:19:04
wrong topic
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Bloodveil
The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:29:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss
to clarify for OSS's involvment
Bastables had nothing to do with it, I asked for the war and it was declared. SF's luck was that Naphtalia, CEO of Black Rabbits has a personal friendship with a few members of OSS' leadership (something I didn't know at the time) and was able to cause enough trouble in defence of Sani Sabik and Star Fraction that it wasn't worth the issue.
I was looking forward to some fun in Amarr, I made a request and OSS obliged. simple as that, no cloak and dagger games or anything of the like. don't paint it so romantic.
"the sad fact of the matter is XXX... we want to kill Revan again"
Original by....
"Revan dies, no need for us to fight" original by....
Don't make me say another word. or even the complete set.
Even a stupid lie as your post above, have limits.
"Power destroys the ones who dont have it"
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:33:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Ituralde
We don't pay off pirates as an organization. We do not pay anyone for standings.
Originally by: Ituralde
We don't ransom ships, save rarely under extreme circumstances where the defeated party sometimes approaches us in a desperate attempt to save their vessel.
And on and on it goes from Ituralde.
Originally by: Azure Skyclad
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
So, am I to understand that when an SF official speaks on behalf of your alliance you do not feel any obligation to follow his words?
Nope.
Now viewing these posts together makes it absolutely clear that the "we" referred to in Ituraldes post (as well as in any other post by SF members) is simply an empty phrase.
After all, no SF pilot is bound by the words of any other SF pilot be he an official spokesman of the alliance or not.
Basically, anything said by any SF pilot is simply an empty meaningless series of words made up to suit the occasion.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:39:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Well, we couldn't have you feel in any way obliged now could we little Jasmine.
I really do think you ought to change your name from Star Fraction to Star Fiction. It somehow appear to be a more suitable name.
What kind of tech1 frigate would you like?
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Azure Skyclad
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:47:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Azure Skyclad on 09/04/2007 18:43:40
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Some selective omissions and out of context quotes.........
If you're going to quote me in an argument then be so kind as to quote it all would you?
Good boy! 
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:48:00 -
[37]
Ah, the numbers game... the VV statistics stand at:
Inflicted: 2 Assault Frigattes, 2 Battlecruisers, 4 Battleship, 4 Heavy Assault Ships, 3 Interceptors and 1 Recon Cruiser totalling 1.448 billion ISK.
Losses: 1 Assault Frigatte, 4 Battleships, 6 Cruisers, 1 Industrial, 2 Interceptors, 1 Interdictor and 1 Shuttle totalling 521 million ISK.
The overall efficiency thus stands as 74.05% and we are determined to raise it above 90% like for all of our campaigns past and present.
Otherwise a nice work containing a lot of wishfull thinking, worthy to be the basis for one of the Gallente holoreels you seem to fancy so much.
If the SF had bothered to define clear cut goals from start we could even measure how successfull this week has been for them. As they did not the statistics are all we have unfortunately.
Thank you for engaging a foe that outgunned you in his never undocking legion of T1 cruisers though.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:54:00 -
[38]
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 09/04/2007 18:54:25
Originally by: Tharrn
Ah, the numbers game... the VV statistics stand at:
Inflicted: 2 Assault Frigattes, 2 Battlecruisers, 4 Battleship, 4 Heavy Assault Ships, 3 Interceptors and 1 Recon Cruiser totalling 1.448 billion ISK.
Losses: 1 Assault Frigatte, 4 Battleships, 6 Cruisers, 1 Industrial, 2 Interceptors, 1 Interdictor and 1 Shuttle totalling 521 million ISK.
The overall efficiency thus stands as 74.05% and we are determined to raise it above 90% like for all of our campaigns past and present.
Otherwise a nice work containing a lot of wishfull thinking, worthy to be the basis for one of the Gallente holoreels you seem to fancy so much.
If the SF had bothered to define clear cut goals from start we could even measure how successfull this week has been for them. As they did not the statistics are all we have unfortunately.
Thank you for engaging a foe that outgunned you in his never undocking legion of T1 cruisers though.
Obviously its entirely ridiculous to take your kill figures singularly since you act in concert with other Amarrian loyalists always. Otherwise we'd have to deduct the figures you are claiming from AM and PIE figures and make theirs worse. VV have been involved with 4 BS Kills vs SF, PIE have been involved with 6 - you suggest we've lost 10 and should double account for losses for two different organisations acting together? Insane.
As anyone sensible can see our general overview of the statistics showing SF vs PIE/AM/VV as a single set of figures is the only meaningful measure of the campaign proceess and your interjection is just a attempt to hide the truth. If you want to present this kind of thing I suggest you do as PIE have done and author your own war diary Amarrian.
And for the record the isk figures are ridculous since all tech2 hulls used by SF in this campaign are manufactured by our shipyards and sold internally to pilots at build cost. Have a nice day!
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:06:00 -
[39]
It was just to demonstrate that these figures are meaningless. Thank you for acknowledging that so quickly.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:17:00 -
[40]
I could argue that we aren't in combined fleets, but it really isn't necessary.
The fact remains that you can't freely travel around your own capitol, and that fact will remain to be the case.
By all means though, take what small victories you can and you might even be able to convince yourselves that you are actually winning.
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Kovid
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:18:00 -
[41]
VV, you have to make a certain number of appearance to the battlefield to throw numbers. A small sample size always will be suspect, even if we are the ones doing the beating. But the fact their is a small sample size does measure your zeal. The so called praetorians (VV & PIE) do a fine job of keeping the station chairs warm.
But as Jasmine said, the splitting of numbers and double counting of things is typical. Should we split up Star Fraction into corporation statistics? That would do the same thing. And the restriction of reporting losses to public record among many if not all of you is indicative of many things.
The suppression of the Amarr Domain protectors continues.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:21:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Ituralde
The fact remains that you can't freely travel around your own capitol, and that fact will remain to be the case.
By all means though, take what small victories you can and you might even be able to convince yourselves that you are actually winning.
Really? I have been there earlier, conducted my business and left again, despite of four of your pilots being in system. At the same time Lallara, to whom I was chatting, outfitted a battleship with modules she bought from nearby systems and carried to Amarr.
Whom are you trying to fool? You cannot and do not control Amarr enough to have any impact on normal operations. But my all means: sit in your little trench all day shouting 'we are winning, PIE is disintegrating!'
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:23:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Kovid
VV, you have to make a certain number of appearance to the battlefield to throw numbers. A small sample size always will be suspect, even if we are the ones doing the beating. But the fact their is a small sample size does measure your zeal. The so called praetorians (VV & PIE) do a fine job of keeping the station chairs warm.
But as Jasmine said, the splitting of numbers and double counting of things is typical. Should we split up Star Fraction into corporation statistics? That would do the same thing. And the restriction of reporting losses to public record among many if not all of you is indicative of many things.
The suppression of the Amarr Domain protectors continues.
I was just under the impression that all sensible parties had agreed that posting statistics on the IGS is a bad idea a long time ago as it just leads to endless discussions about what is the right way to display them and how many kills were omitted by what side.
*slaps head* THERE is the problem.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:27:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: Kovid
VV, you have to make a certain number of appearance to the battlefield to throw numbers. A small sample size always will be suspect, even if we are the ones doing the beating. But the fact their is a small sample size does measure your zeal. The so called praetorians (VV & PIE) do a fine job of keeping the station chairs warm.
But as Jasmine said, the splitting of numbers and double counting of things is typical. Should we split up Star Fraction into corporation statistics? That would do the same thing. And the restriction of reporting losses to public record among many if not all of you is indicative of many things.
The suppression of the Amarr Domain protectors continues.
I was just under the impression that all sensible parties had agreed that posting statistics on the IGS is a bad idea a long time ago as it just leads to endless discussions about what is the right way to display them and how many kills were omitted by what side.
*slaps head* THERE is the problem.
Wrong. Our figures make perfect sense. Accept that or not, its not my concern. But putting up a nonsense interpretation to try and prove ALL statistics are meaningless is simply being ignorant. End of the day we've blown up 182 war target ships and pods, your side has blown up 47 ships and pods of ours. You can't make that kind of number go away with simple propaganda and wish fulfilment.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:31:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Tharrn
Whom are you trying to fool? You cannot and do not control Amarr enough to have any impact on normal operations.
As I said, by all means keep convincing yourself of that. Someday, you might actually believe it if you repeat it enough.
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:38:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Wrong. Our figures make perfect sense. Accept that or not, its not my concern. But putting up a nonsense interpretation to try and prove ALL statistics are meaningless is simply being ignorant. End of the day we've blown up 182 war target ships and pods, your side has blown up 47 ships and pods of ours. You can't make that kind of number go away with simple propaganda and wish fulfilment.
Do you have an efficiency percentage to go with that or are those meaningless as they don't suit you, too?
Every time you'll post your statistic I will post ours - it is of no concern to me if you think it makes sense either.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:42:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Tharrn
Do you have an efficiency percentage to go with that or are those meaningless as they don't suit you, too?
Every time you'll post your statistic I will post ours - it is of no concern to me if you think it makes sense either.
Whatever, do as you will. Won't make your performance in space any better.
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Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:48:00 -
[48]
Quote:
I think it's been shown quite readily that the only recourse the Amarrian paramilitaries have at the moment is to point fingers and shout "Liar, Liar."
What do you mean "At the moment"?
It's quite obvious that PIE and its erstwhile allies have been shaking in their boots from the very moment the Star Fraction declaration was made. You can tell the obvious difference in how PIE's GalNet warriors behave when speaking to other war targets, and how they reacted from the very first post from the Fraction.
They lost this war even before the 24 hour timer to start hostilities was up.
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Ituralde
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:21:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Tharrn
Do you have an efficiency percentage to go with that or are those meaningless as they don't suit you, too?
Every time you'll post your statistic I will post ours - it is of no concern to me if you think it makes sense either.
Killboard Statstics can be calculated countless ways, most of them are foolish.
Raw numbers are far better. We could inflate point values on our killboard as well and come with a different efficiency.
But, since you are interested? Our efficiency for this war is just under 70%.
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Dallenn
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:16:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Tharrn
Really? I have been there earlier, conducted my business and left again, despite of four of your pilots being in system. At the same time Lallara, to whom I was chatting, outfitted a battleship with modules she bought from nearby systems and carried to Amarr.
Of course, there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence of bold Amarrian shuttle and frigate pilots flying around the local hub systems, carrying assets to replace those lost on the battlefield, or running whatever errands are considered "normal operations" in the paramilitary circles. Still, one cannot hide one's surprise over how much the operations of Amarrian paramilitaries have changed to fit changing times, for being such conservative organizations.
On a different note, I would like to send congratulations to those pilots who have been officially recognized, especially Alyne. Her relentless fighting spirit and good humour have really carried on this interesting campaign.
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Davlos
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:38:00 -
[51]
One innocent question: In the displayed footage, was there any grand strategy involved during the wastage of capacitor by having one repairer active even though the ship's armor was in optimal condition?
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:56:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tharrn
It was just to demonstrate that these figures are meaningless. Thank you for acknowledging that so quickly.
Yes indeed. Numbers always serve to provide the general picture for uninvolved parties.
What is relevant though, is that Star Fraction, while facing a numerically larger foe (the representatives of superior race at that), has complete superiority in space on your own turf.
Congratulations SF. Hopefully upcoming weeks will bring you more success.
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Bacchanalian
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:06:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Davlos
One innocent question: In the displayed footage, was there any grand strategy involved during the wastage of capacitor by having one repairer active even though the ship's armor was in optimal condition?
Wouldn't you like to know! 
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Originally by: Davlos
One innocent question: In the displayed footage, was there any grand strategy involved during the wastage of capacitor by having one repairer active even though the ship's armor was in optimal condition?
No plate. Armour repairers don't repair instantly, and if you are called primary there is a possibility your tank won't hold.
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Originally by: Davlos
One innocent question: In the displayed footage, was there any grand strategy involved during the wastage of capacitor by having one repairer active even though the ship's armor was in optimal condition?
As the pilot in question, I might just answer: Because I can.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 04:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Do you have an efficiency percentage to go with that or are those meaningless as they don't suit you, too?
Efficiency is a derived statistic that can be calculated in any number of ways. It is as open to debate and questions of relevance as ISK loss values, kill points or any other derived statistic.
This is why we only quote actual ship numbers destroyed, because only these numbers have true meaning. And I note you do not dispute them, because you cannot.
If you want more information on how badly you are faring, our killboard is open to all. For your reference, our efficiency calculations are based on kill points, point values are listed on the Help page, and ISK values on kill pages are clearly marked as approximate and for amusement value only.
When you are done nitpicking, feel free to muster your fleet.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/04/2007 08:35:02
Originally by: Vaslav Tchitcherine
Originally by: Tharrn
Do you have an efficiency percentage to go with that or are those meaningless as they don't suit you, too?
Efficiency is a derived statistic that can be calculated in any number of ways. It is as open to debate and questions of relevance as ISK loss values, kill points or any other derived statistic.
This is why we only quote actual ship numbers destroyed, because only these numbers have true meaning. And I note you do not dispute them, because you cannot.
I'm reasonably sure that every time SF has had favourable efficiency ratings they've not hesitated to parade them in their war diaries.
How bizarre that whenever the statistics aren't so favourable the statistical methodology suddenly becomes open to debate.
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Over my time in Jericho two sets of war diaries were published, and as far as I can remember, the only statistics mentioned were always numbers of vessels destroyed.
In case I am wrong, statistics based on a point system or value of assets destroyed are very much favorable for SF in this conflict.
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm reasonably sure that every time SF has had favourable efficiency ratings they've not hesitated to parade them in their war diaries.
How bizarre that whenever the statistics aren't so favourable the statistical methodology suddenly becomes open to debate.
an interesting claim, but again proven to be baseless and a desperate attempt at spin on behalf of PIE.
Sadly for you, the "efficiency rating" you're clinging to there was only conceived of and implements in the latest version of the war record software.
Software that only just went live in time for this war.
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Originally by: Sable Schroedinger
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm reasonably sure that every time SF has had favourable efficiency ratings they've not hesitated to parade them in their war diaries.
How bizarre that whenever the statistics aren't so favourable the statistical methodology suddenly becomes open to debate.
an interesting claim, but again proven to be baseless and a desperate attempt at spin on behalf of PIE.
Sadly for you, the "efficiency rating" you're clinging to there was only conceived of and implements in the latest version of the war record software.
Software that only just went live in time for this war.
It does have retroactive capabilities however, so we can see what it was during KD and CYI.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
That's odd.
You see, I distinctly recall you including your joint kills with the Black Rabbits during our live fire exercises in the Mito constellation, even where several Rabbit ships had done all of the work and one or two SF ships turned up at the end (after getting the call to undock from the adjacent system).
In fact, I used a very similar example to yours and the SF howls of derision were very loud indeed.
Not really, since the main difference in the situation is that the Rabbits were not publishing statistics, therefore no double accounting was to be had.
In this case, should each of the loyalists publish their figures separately, massive double or tripple accounting would occur.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:31:00 -
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First, Rodj Blake, your remarks about Tech 2 supplies being ignored does not amount to SF repudiating the view that in-house Tech 2 building and supply lessens the impact of losing a single given Tech 2 ship. By all means cite in context the discussion if you think it does.
Secondly, the Vigilia Valeria ship kill/loss figures are, I would accept accurate as at the time they were cited, if one wishes to consider only Vigilia Valeria's involvement in the war thus far.
I believe that Jasmine's point is that the Vigilia Valeria figures are not a counter to the figures we have published with respect to the war target entities presently engaged in this war. Our figures, as ever, cite all Star Fraction kills and losses with respect to our enemies involved in the war.
Now, Vigilia Valeria's figures do the same thing which is fine if all one is interested in is Vigilia Valeria's actions in the war thus far.
Another approach, if one is only interested in Vigilia Valeria, would be to look at the figures where only Vigilia Valeria pilots have been involved. (I think this is the kind of approach you have expressed some preference for in the past but I won't hold you to it.)
If one uses the approach of only counting engagements where Vigilia Valeria and Star Fraction pilots alone meet in battle then you find Vigilia Valeria losing quite badly.
Indeed, there are only four ship engagements involving a Star Fraction loss where Vigilia Valeria pilots alone are involved. Conversely, there are some 19 Vigilia Valeria ship losses involving Star Fraction pilots alone since they entered the war. This is an approach we could use with respect to all our foes in the war and then look at the 'unified' engagements separately. I myself feel that such an approach would elicit howls of rage and accusations of 'spin' and statistical legerdemain from certain quarters.
However, we do not use that system. We, for the purposes of our report, tally Star Fraction kills and losses against the allied forces we are ranged against in this war at present. We consider it fair and reasonable.
Discussion of the figures on that basis is to be expected and quite welcome.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Vaslav Tchitcherine
Originally by: Tharrn
Do you have an efficiency percentage to go with that or are those meaningless as they don't suit you, too?
Efficiency is a derived statistic that can be calculated in any number of ways. It is as open to debate and questions of relevance as ISK loss values, kill points or any other derived statistic.
This is why we only quote actual ship numbers destroyed, because only these numbers have true meaning. And I note you do not dispute them, because you cannot.
I'm reasonably sure that every time SF has had favourable efficiency ratings they've not hesitated to parade them in their war diaries.
How bizarre that whenever the statistics aren't so favourable the statistical methodology suddenly becomes open to debate.
You may be 'reasonably sure' but you're still wrong.
The Jasmine Constantine-authored war diaries of the Mito Conflict, the CYI-SF War and this war have consistently quoted ship kill/loss totals and not used any derived 'efficiency rating'.
Once more, to repeat, we take the approach of counting our kills and losses with respect to enemies currently involved in the war in question. That is the approach we use in all our diaries and it is readily understandable and quite open to checking. Others are of course free to use whatever approach they like in their own diaries and reports.
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Well, we couldn't have you feel in any way obliged now could we little Jasmine.
I really do think you ought to change your name from Star Fraction to Star Fiction. It somehow appear to be a more suitable name.
What kind of tech1 frigate would you like?
BUhahahahahahha. sorry, but thats just funny
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
First, Rodj Blake, your remarks about Tech 2 supplies being ignored does not amount to SF repudiating the view that in-house Tech 2 building and supply lessens the impact of losing a single given Tech 2 ship. By all means cite in context the discussion if you think it does.
In many ways the source of a T2 ship is irrelevant.
Why?
Say the market value of a destroyed ship is one hundred million ISK. If the pilot is unable to make ships, then obviously he needs to go and buy a replacement. But if he makes his own ships, then he now has one less ship to sell on the market, resulting in an equal loss of income.
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
In many ways the source of a T2 ship is irrelevant.
Why?
Say the market value of a destroyed ship is one hundred million ISK. If the pilot is unable to make ships, then obviously he needs to go and buy a replacement. But if he makes his own ships, then he now has one less ship to sell on the market, resulting in an equal loss of income.
Not strictly true. A clever man can use it in such a way as to make more money.
Question is, are you clever?
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
In many ways the source of a T2 ship is irrelevant.
Why?
Say the market value of a destroyed ship is one hundred million ISK. If the pilot is unable to make ships, then obviously he needs to go and buy a replacement. But if he makes his own ships, then he now has one less ship to sell on the market, resulting in an equal loss of income.
The primary flaw in your argument is that it contains an assumption, which is false, that the Star Fraction Tech 2 manufacturers have no interest in the use to which the ships they make are put when they are sold to fellow Fractionists.
What you ignore is that there is a fair exchange involved that goes beyond the market value of the vessel or equipment in question. All Star Fraction Tech 2 manufacturers that sell ships and equipment on favourable ISK terms to Star Fraction pilots do so on the understanding that the vessels will be used, in whatever way, to advance the objectives of the movement which they support no less than any other member. They are rarely disappointed.
The impact of any given Tech 2 ship loss where that ship is manufactured by one of our members and sold to one of our pilots is lessened for the pilot who purchases the ship as he did not have to spend more of his ISK in buying it, with either a consequent saving in time required for economic activities or a greater surplus of ISK if he spends the same amount of time making ISK in any event. The manufacturer does not have the impact transferred to them in the way you wish to cast it in pure economic terms because they are able to make a reasonable profit and advance their interests notably by projecting more power through their supply of said ships and equipment to fellows in the movement than they could do by spending an equivalent amount of time simply flying a ship themselves.
Note that we do not conjure with ISK-based statistics as part of our war diaries in any event as the market value tends to fluctuate and in the context of these reports we consider the various ships in terms of the uses to which they can be put.
I am simply setting out the basis of the Star Fraction view that, when value is considered in terms of effort compared with use, it is very much to the point to consider the means by which ships and equipment are obtained.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:07:00 -
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It's like new math and I was never a math genius.... but as best I can tell using this new mathematics system we've suffered NO losses and our efficency stands at 100% (as PIE ships are supplied to our members who don't even pay cost). Amazing!
I hereby christen this math system "Fractionometry"! Guess I need to get another math slave.
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Originally by: Archbishop
It's like new math and I was never a math genius.... but as best I can tell using this new mathematics system we've suffered NO losses and our efficency stands at 100% (as PIE ships are supplied to our members who don't even pay cost). Amazing!
I hereby christen this math system "Fractionometry"! Guess I need to get another math slave.
Archbishop
translation: "I have no idea what you're talking about so I'm going to try and dismiss it with a cheap gag rather than show my ignorance"
In all, I think it rather telling that PIE and friends get hung up on statistics. An example, in my opinion, of this mentality must come in the form of their presentation of their own statistics in their own war record software. It varies between none existent, none shown to the public or, and this one is the killer, only kills not losses shown to the public. Where as SF holds its statistics open for all to see and interpret as they choose. Its then entertaining that they accuse SF of spin and doctoring perception.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 16:18:00 -
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Quote:
In all, I think it rather telling that PIE and friends get hung up on statistics. An example, in my opinion, of this mentality must come in the form of their presentation of their own statistics in their own war record software. It varies between none existent, none shown to the public or, and this one is the killer, only kills not losses shown to the public. Where as SF holds its statistics open for all to see and interpret as they choose. Its then entertaining that they accuse SF of spin and doctoring perception.
Our killboard is for our own use we don't need to waive our "kill ratios" around from our zippers every week like other alliances. It works best that way as if there is a downturn we don't then need to try and spin it as you have against Vigilia Valeria by "lumping" or whatever you call it.
As for statistics the only one that really matters is the one showing enemies far more dangerous than the smut-peddling vandals of SF have for years stated they're going to eliminate PIE.... and the fact we're still around.
Anyway back to work. The terrorist Minmatar could show up at any minute!
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Posted - 2007.04.10 16:21:00 -
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Oh I almost forgot to mention. As to being "hung up" on statistics... I seem to recall the Star Fraction was the first one to post them here...
Who was hung up again?
Have a nice day lessor.
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Originally by: Monsignor
Our killboard is for our own use we don't need to waive our "kill ratios" around from our zippers every week like other alliances. It works best that way as if there is a downturn we don't then need to try and spin it as you have against Vigilia Valeria by "lumping" or whatever you call it.
As for statistics the only one that really matters is the one showing enemies far more dangerous than the smut-peddling vandals of SF have for years stated they're going to eliminate PIE.... and the fact we're still around.
Anyway back to work. The terrorist Minmatar could show up at any minute!
Monsignor
Oh I do beg to differ. You quite happily wave your kills around "from your zippers" under the pretext of ôholy amarrian justiceö. Its your losses you hide like a bastard child. Hows that for spin?
I think the VV issue has been covered quite adequately so I think it time you grab for another life line in order to salvage your failing pride.
I find it hard to believe a ôsuperiorö being could have so much trouble grasping something so simple.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 10/04/2007 16:41:34
Originally by: Archbishop
It's like new math and I was never a math genius.... but as best I can tell using this new mathematics system we've suffered NO losses and our efficency stands at 100% (as PIE ships are supplied to our members who don't even pay cost). Amazing!
I hereby christen this math system "Fractionometry"! Guess I need to get another math slave.
Archbishop
You might better call it 'Archbishoptrickery' because our view of the value of a ship in no way determines whether the ship loss is a loss or not and, I repeat as you either missed it or deliberately ignored it, we do not make use of ISK-based calculations or 'efficiency' ratings in the war diaries. (Please note that the first person to so much as mention an 'efficiency' rating in this thread was an Amarrian loyalist.)
It's not as if your crass and singularly poorly-aimed jibe makes any sense even in its own terms unless you are claiming that the ships PIE supplies to its members materialise in their docking berths with no effort or time expended on the part of anyone in the organisation. That would be truly wondrous but I strongly doubt it is the case. I therefore conclude that all you are really saying, underneath the buffoonery, is that every ship loss suffered by a PIE pilot is, in fact, a direct loss suffered by PIE itself. I don't make much of that as I rather assumed it was so anyway from previous remarks by PIE on the subject of ships and equipment. However, this is really a side-issue and a matter of internal economics working according to the respective philosophies of the opposing organisations. For the purposes of overview, a ship loss on one side is comparable and equivalent to a ship loss on the other side.
Finally, to repeat, the Star Fraction War Diaries, as authored by Jasmine Constantine, consistently use a simple and fully verifiable measure of absolute ship kills and losses with respect to the enemies against which the Star Fraction is engaged in any given campaign.
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Originally by: Monsignor
Oh I almost forgot to mention. As to being "hung up" on statistics... I seem to recall the Star Fraction was the first one to post them here...
Who was hung up again?
Have a nice day lessor.
Monsignor
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You seem to be having trouble grasping the very basics of language. But then, maybe you move in circles where some phrases are not used, so IÆll try to expand on them for you. IÆll try to use small words as you and your ilk seem to be having trouble with ôwalls of textö at the moment. Now before we go on, IÆm neither a word smith nor a ôsuperior beingö therefore put you grammar and spelling analysis away because IÆm sure youÆll be swamped.
ôHung upö is a slang for a negative obsession of some sort. Now I can hear the clamour now, settle down, settle down or thereÆll be no milk for afters. ItÆs very true that Jas mentioned the stats first, in a vastly summarised version at the end of a very long diary entry û long enough to cause complaint in your attention deficient brethren (ôbrethrenö isnÆt too long a word for you is it?). Its your ôbrethrenö that have dragged discussion those statistic out for 3 pages, nit picking and twisting, desperately seeking a way to hide the fact theyÆre being shown not only to lose ships (see comments above about PIEs public records) but to be losing them at an unprecedented rate considering their participation (or lack thereof) in combat.
So go back to your hole dog, or better still, back up your own words and stop hiding behind your slaves in AM (and I assume they must be your slaves, because I canÆt think of any other reason you would abuse them so badly).
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Posted - 2007.04.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Monsignor
Oh I almost forgot to mention. As to being "hung up" on statistics... I seem to recall the Star Fraction was the first one to post them here...
Who was hung up again?
Have a nice day lessor.
Monsignor
We present the war diary in the same fashion we have in every conflict since Mito. I know the raw number of ship losses is painful for you but if you want to do something about it you will need to undock and improve your ratio. Simply arguing it away with spurious logic on galnet means nothing. Perhaps you could ask your employer "Archbishop" to give you some of the "free" Armageddons he is handing out so you can do something other than rattle your lips ineffectually.
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Posted - 2007.04.11 12:57:00 -
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Lies and spurious propaganda. I don't believe the filthy anarchists managed to eliminate a single true Amarrian warship with their mix of public complaints and cowardly tactic. Obvious of course this is more Spin-Fraction hypocracy while they try like staving children to confront the truth that is Holy Glorious Amarr Victorious!
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Originally by: Katyayani Koriau
Lies and spurious propaganda. I don't believe the filthy anarchists managed to eliminate a single true Amarrian warship with their mix of public complaints and cowardly tactic.
Whilst I'm sure you meant that as support of your fellows, I think you actually just insulted every member of PIE, VV and AM. They've not challenged the number of ship kills or losses, only how they've been apportioned between those fighting. So, in effect, you've just called them all "fake amarrians" or something like that.
Originally by: Katyayani Koriau
Obvious of course this is more Spin-Fraction hypocracy while they try like staving children to confront the truth that is Holy Glorious Amarr Victorious!
You people keep using this word.
I do not think it means what you think it means...
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Posted - 2007.04.11 14:31:00 -
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Silence anarchy dog! While you fight with words the holy Amarr warriors move as they choose in the Throne Worlds delivering the words of God. You are irrelevent and petty and mean nothing at all. Revered Archbishop has defeated you already but we will do the worst job and destroy your homes and ships with our isk.
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Originally by: Katyayani Koriau
Silence anarchy dog!
talk about contradicting yourself.
You donÆt get out much do you?
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Originally by: Katyayani Koriau
Lies and spurious propaganda. I don't believe the filthy anarchists managed to eliminate a single true Amarrian warship with their mix of public complaints and cowardly tactic. Obvious of course this is more Spin-Fraction hypocracy while they try like staving children to confront the truth that is Holy Glorious Amarr Victorious!
Your name should be listed under the "Brainwashed" in the dictionary.
The most classic example to hit the summit in months.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 13:49:00 -
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84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit.
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit.
Or maybe they were involved with something that was actually important. For PIE and their companions padding their killboards does not rank as important. Just as your own killboardpadding lacks importance.
Winning wars through killing off your opposition is not exactly an option for Pod-pilots, and as such wars must be won in different ways.
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit.
Or maybe they were involved with something that was actually important. For PIE and their companions padding their killboards does not rank as important. Just as your own killboardpadding lacks importance.
Winning wars through killing off your opposition is not exactly an option for Pod-pilots, and as such wars must be won in different ways.
Had this grand and important work been completed without the aid of subterfuge and trickery in order to avoid combat at any cost I might be impressed, even though the smoke and mirrors deployed where quite impressive. The mere fact that the Imperial loyalists feel the need to obfuscate their doings in their home systems speaks volumes.
All I see is fear.
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Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
84 hours since the loyalists scored a kill on a Fraction vessel. I'm thinking the effects of their defeat in Amarr Prime must have hurt quite a bit.
Or maybe they were involved with something that was actually important. For PIE and their companions padding their killboards does not rank as important. Just as your own killboardpadding lacks importance.
Winning wars through killing off your opposition is not exactly an option for Pod-pilots, and as such wars must be won in different ways.
We know what you were doing. We scattered your fleet at the tail end of your operation quite handily slaying a couple of your scouts while the main body of your fleet fled to dock. Congratulations are in order for you being able to help one Amarrian torture another Amarrian without our interference though. Impressive. I do think you are going to have problems if ever Brother Joshua needs you to actually fight something for him though.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:29:00 -
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Thank you, however, for tacitly admitting that Archbishop's "sermons" are nothing more than a petty distraction. May he long be treated as the insignificant sideshow that he truly is.
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Bitterness suits you.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 12/04/2007 14:43:43
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
We know what you were doing.
You seem to have a poor grasp of who you're actually at war with.
A Better Future has no ties with PIE beyond being a pro-amarr entity.
While Pro-Amarr does entail certain things it does not entail "identical" by any means.
But sure, if you believe me to be a part of PIE go ahead and shoot me, though CONCORD might disagree.
As for what PIE did. They did not help an Amarr torture another Amarr, that was a foreseen but not intended consequence.
Their intended goal was to aid Brother Joshua in setting the Kor-Azor region back on the righteous path, the one God intended, and that goal was completed admirably.
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Thank you, however, for tacitly admitting that Archbishop's "sermons" are nothing more than a petty distraction. May he long be treated as the insignificant sideshow that he truly is.
Archbishops work was important as well, and that too was completed without any significant disruption.
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Interesting reading and watching the Star Fraction propaganda rapier hack at the stonewall of Amarrian assumed virtue is interesting, if somewhat pointless. The stats look good for the Fraction, but can't say it's a total shooting gallery based on them.
While I understand the Imperial Navy will be reluctant to enter a war between capsuleer factions, what I do find utterly strange is that the Amarrian paramilitaries don't band together to utterly lockdown the Star Fraction forces in their stations. There's plenty of them to do that and the enemy has brought itself to the heart of the empire (on the other hand, where's CVA and the others?). If the excuse is that they don't pose enough of a threat to warrant a serious mobilization, I would question the sanity in that, considering the losses inflicted by the attackers - that many battleship losses are grounds for decisive action.
Out of all the brush wars happening in the empires, this one looks to be somewhat interesting as its a meeting of fanatics.
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Edited by: Nekumi on 12/04/2007 15:03:11
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Edited by: Nomakai Delateriel on 12/04/2007 14:43:43
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
We know what you were doing.
You seem to have a poor grasp of who you're actually at war with.
A Better Future has no ties with PIE beyond being a pro-amarr entity.
While Pro-Amarr does entail certain things it does not entail "identical" by any means.
But sure, if you believe me to be a part of PIE go ahead and shoot me, though CONCORD might disagree.
As for what PIE did. They did not help an Amarr torture another Amarr, that was a foreseen but not intended consequence.
Their intended goal was to aid Brother Joshua in setting the Kor-Azor region back on the righteous path, the one God intended, and that goal was completed admirably.
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Thank you, however, for tacitly admitting that Archbishop's "sermons" are nothing more than a petty distraction. May he long be treated as the insignificant sideshow that he truly is.
Archbishops work was important as well, and that too was completed without any significant disruption.
I fail to see where there was any mention of PIE directly in anything Jasmine posted or indeed any relationship you might posess to that organisation. Perhaps you can illuminate where you grasped such inferrence.
Once again you grasp at poorly constructed semantic arguments to say precisely nothing.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.12 15:16:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Nekumi
I fail to see where there was any mention of PIE directly in anything Jasmine posted or indeed any relationship you might posess to that organisation. Perhaps you can illuminate where you grasped such inferrence.
Once again you grasp at poorly constructed semantic arguments to say precisely nothing.
Then perhaps I have misunderstood GalNet etiquette? I distinctly remember Jasmine Constantine first quoting a portion of my text followed by a long statement from Jasmine Constantine using terms such as "you were doing" and "your fleet operations", implying that "you" included me (as the one she was responding to) into the entity responsible for the doings and fleet operations (PIE inc), in effect grouping us together as a single entity.
Is it not customary that statements including quotes from a poster and then using the term "you" and "your" are directed towards the one who made the statement in said quote?
If not I apologise for my then unwarranted jibes.
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Nekumi
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.12 15:26:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Nekumi
I fail to see where there was any mention of PIE directly in anything Jasmine posted or indeed any relationship you might posess to that organisation. Perhaps you can illuminate where you grasped such inferrence.
Once again you grasp at poorly constructed semantic arguments to say precisely nothing.
Then perhaps I have misunderstood GalNet etiquette? I distinctly remember Jasmine Constantine first quoting a portion of my text followed by a long statement from Jasmine Constantine using terms such as "you were doing" and "your fleet operations", implying that "you" included me (as the one she was responding to) into the entity responsible for the doings and fleet operations (PIE inc), in effect grouping us together as a single entity.
Is it not customary that statements including quotes from a poster and then using the term "you" and "your" are directed towards the one who made the statement in said quote?
If not I apologise for my then unwarranted jibes.
More semantic excrement.
Perhaps, if you cease speaking on another unconnected groups behalf you will cut down on any confusion where people make assumptions that you are somehow connected outside of being Pro-Amarr.
Unless of course you wish to remain a mouthpiece who can try to reject any argument you spout merely based on the fact that you aren't directly connected to the group you continue to speak for.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.12 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Nekumi
More semantic excrement.
Perhaps, if you cease speaking on another unconnected groups behalf you will cut down on any confusion where people make assumptions that you are somehow connected outside of being Pro-Amarr.
Unless of course you wish to remain a mouthpiece who can try to reject any argument you spout merely based on the fact that you aren't directly connected to the group you continue to speak for.
I am not connected to PIE, but as an Amarr citizen I feel the obligation to defend corperations against insults when they're slighted because they were fulfilling their duty to Amarr.
Just as I feel an obligation to defend the clergy while they're doing the work of the faith. Archbishop did not need my assistance in Shastas, but my help was offered and if he had asked it of me on that day I would have willingly given my ship to the cause (it would have been quite futile of course given that you outnumbered me about 15 to 1, if not more).
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Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.12 16:09:00 -
[92]
Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.12 19:00:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
I do believe that quite a few pilots were present during the sermon - including The Cosmopolite, Devilish Ledoux, Madelchai and several others. Will you really claim that a system with that many of your fellow allies in it is, to all extents and purposes, empty?
If Archbishop has the patience to preach to some of the most ardent heretics out there all the more respect to him.
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 00:00:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
I do believe that quite a few pilots were present during the sermon - including The Cosmopolite, Devilish Ledoux, Madelchai and several others. Will you really claim that a system with that many of your fellow allies in it is, to all extents and purposes, empty?
If Archbishop has the patience to preach to some of the most ardent heretics out there all the more respect to him.
Well, we know how you fire and brimstone types like to engage in some brain-deadening exercises before you go out to fight. Since Archie's sermons fit that bill to a T, we just had to come see if you were ready to make good on the whole "Come and die, anarchists" promise. You weren't, and since there was no punch'n'PIE, we went elsewhere.
As for the actual babbling from Archie, my translator mostly picked up "yawp yawp Amarr yawp Gawd yawp." Then again, I did set it up to filter out anything that registers higher than 2.0 Kraps on the Bull****-o-meter.
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.13 07:45:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
As for the actual babbling from Archie, my translator mostly picked up "yawp yawp Amarr yawp Gawd yawp." Then again, I did set it up to filter out anything that registers higher than 2.0 Kraps on the Bull****-o-meter.
I find that very hard to believe. If you had indeed done so, it would be rather impossible for you to communicate at all with your alliance members wouldn't it?
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Madelchai
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 11:22:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
I do believe that quite a few pilots were present during the sermon - including The Cosmopolite, Devilish Ledoux, Madelchai and several others. Will you really claim that a system with that many of your fellow allies in it is, to all extents and purposes, empty?
Indeed we were there for a few moments, but as even members of PIE themselves didn't want to be in system to listen to Archiekins dusty old babble, we soon took our leave.
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Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 13:23:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/04/2007 13:19:22
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
He had a pair of sheep in local. We arrived, looked for targets scanned for his ship, discovered it was cloaked and deep, then left. No sense wasting time looking for a man without courage.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.13 20:44:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/04/2007 13:19:22
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
If I recall correctly from the printouts of the sermon the system wasn't exactly empty was it Jasmine?
He had a pair of sheep in local. We arrived, looked for targets scanned for his ship, discovered it was cloaked and deep, then left. No sense wasting time looking for a man without courage.
I find this very interesting. You were hunting a respected citizen of the empire, piloting a cloaked industrial. Typically such vessels have limited armament to begin with.
While I can appreciate that there are certain difficulties in locating the ship you are telling us that the Star Fraction with it's superior quality of tactics and pilots could not force him from the system?
Instead the Star Fraction left the field of battle, allowing the Archbishop to finish his sermon.
No it is quite obvious from your statement that your alliance were the cowards that day.
Casserina
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.13 21:47:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
As for the actual babbling from Archie, my translator mostly picked up "yawp yawp Amarr yawp Gawd yawp." Then again, I did set it up to filter out anything that registers higher than 2.0 Kraps on the Bull****-o-meter.
I find that very hard to believe. If you had indeed done so, it would be rather impossible for you to communicate at all with your alliance members wouldn't it?
You know, now that you mention it ... any time one of my alliance members say something that starts with, "Now the Amarrians are saying ..." I always end up hearing nothing but static and laughter that I can't explain. Hey, at least they're happy, right?
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Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 01:05:00 -
[100]
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Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
Indeed it does. It speaks to the influence one man has when he can pull the entire Star Fraction fleet to a remote system and an abandoned city after they've pledged to stay in Amarr indefinitely and not travel anywhere to fight CVA. It speaks to his ability to hold the entire SF fleet there for 18:00 minutes (plus travel time) while the Amarrian loyalist forces completed yet another important mission for the Empire and God.
Considering you were led by the nose eight jumps from Amarr while all this happend and thus were incapable of preventing the holy mission of Brother Joshua indicates alot about the architect of this plan. I agree it says alot about the mind of the person who did it.... and the enemy that fell for it.
But I must be off to Providence for a few days of preaching near Unity Station. With the success of the CVA and it's allies in obtaining control of Karishal's Folly I have a new location from which to launch inspirational sermons and missions of God. Stay tuned to the Operation Blessing Updates for further information on my missionary work.
Amarr Victor!
Archbishop
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 12:25:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Archbishop
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Preaching to an empty system from the command deck of a cloaked industrial ship at a deep safe spot really requires no substantive aid. It does rather speak volumes about the mind of the person doing it ...
Indeed it does. It speaks to the influence one man has when he can pull the entire Star Fraction fleet to a remote system and an abandoned city after they've pledged to stay in Amarr indefinitely and not travel anywhere to fight CVA. It speaks to his ability to hold the entire SF fleet there for 18:00 minutes (plus travel time) while the Amarrian loyalist forces completed yet another important mission for the Empire and God.
Considering you were led by the nose eight jumps from Amarr while all this happend and thus were incapable of preventing the holy mission of Brother Joshua indicates alot about the architect of this plan. I agree it says alot about the mind of the person who did it.... and the enemy that fell for it.
But I must be off to Providence for a few days of preaching near Unity Station. With the success of the CVA and it's allies in obtaining control of Karishal's Folly I have a new location from which to launch inspirational sermons and missions of God. Stay tuned to the Operation Blessing Updates for further information on my missionary work.
Amarr Victor!
Archbishop
Well technically, we stayed in system long enough to run several fruitless scan probe searches for your cloaked industrial and then to run a series of agent searches on the commanders of the loyalist fleet. As soon as that was done we decamped your lonely system and arrived in time to prevent the loyalist forces from entering Kor Azor Prime and forcing the bulk of their forces to dock while Brother Joshua found it neccessary to clone jump to pass the blockade that his "loyal" children could not bring themselves to force with their own ships and evidently lacking courage.
How do I know this? I was there. You of course were not. Case closed.
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Mistress Butterfly
Amarr
Khanidco
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Posted - 2007.04.14 13:05:00 -
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I was there in local and watched the fleet stop the amarrs from coming to korazorprime instead they ran and hid at a station and let one ship escort the freighter to the system. I was sitting there talking to one of the star fraction pilots and exchanging a couple of evemails with her when the freighters came buy and there were no amarrs except one from ordo corp protecting it. The star fraction pilots missed the freighters because when they jumped in the freighters were jumping in to the other way and they must have crossed at the gate because when the frieghter appeared all the star fraction pilots were gone already. The amarrs abandoned the freighters and they were at risk of destruction so it was only luck they made it not the skill of the amarrs so star fraction did succeed in stopping the amarrs and only missed the freighters because of bad timing.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 14:10:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
As soon as that was done we decamped your lonely system and arrived in time to prevent the loyalist forces from entering Kor Azor Prime and forcing the bulk of their forces to dock while Brother Joshua found it neccessary to clone jump to pass the blockade that his "loyal" children could not bring themselves to force with their own ships and evidently lacking courage.
Repeat that lie a few more times and your members may believe it.
The good brother Joshua and a number of industrial ships and freighters entered Kor Azor Prime by the normal use of the stargate from Amdonen. He was escorted on that last jump by a few ships from the OQ while the PIE fleet remained on the gate in Amdonen. We remained there long enough to engage your scouts and have you believe that you had a chance to destroy our singnificntly outnumbered fleet. As was to be expected you once more took the bait and jumped your entire gang through to Amdonen. At this point we had accomplished our mission of keeping Kor Azor Prime save for the Speaker and his witnesses and withdrew our forces from the gate.
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Heero Yuy
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:31:00 -
[104]
The members do believe it - because the members were there too.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 15:43:00 -
[105]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 15:40:14
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne
As was to be expected you once more took the bait and jumped your entire gang through to Amdonen. At this point we had accomplished our mission of keeping Kor Azor Prime save for the Speaker and his witnesses and withdrew our forces from the gate.
Wrong.
I personally was in Kor-Azor, on that gate at all times, and did not jump through.
I personally saw Brother Joshua appear in local. At which point I recommended the gang remain on the gate.
I personally saw that Brother Joshua did not decloak. I checked every ship that decloaked as did others.
I personally saw that Brother Joshua then disappeared from local. At this point, knowing you would not have any need to jump through, the gang jumped having heard scouts report you were making ready to warp away.
I draw a certain conclusion from this. I believe that Brother Joshua transited from the gate to the planet by means other than a simple ship.
You can call me a liar all you like but I know what I saw.
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Udyr Vulpayne
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.14 16:13:00 -
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You can of course believe what you want if it helps you overcome your failures in the field. But instead of accusing the good Brother of employing a jumpclone or other "magical" ways to travel you should maybe listen to the words of someone who was actually with the gang in question after the jump into Kor Azor Prime.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 16:23:00 -
[107]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 14/04/2007 16:19:53
Both sides have a view. He did not 'waltz' through our fleet and that is the only comment I wish to counter.
I actually suggest we drop it now. Any further speculation gets into territory that is not worth exploring in my view.
What is clear is that the Brother, by whatever means, succeeded in reaching the planet and carrying out his mission.
This is clearly a success for the forces escorting him across the whole Kor-Azor region, despite a very confused situation at a single gate.
The Cosmopolite
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 17:38:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne
You can of course believe what you want if it helps you overcome your failures in the field. But instead of accusing the good Brother of employing a jumpclone or other "magical" ways to travel you should maybe listen to the words of someone who was actually with the gang in question after the jump into Kor Azor Prime.
Amarrian loyalists are proven liars. Their witness accounts mean nothing.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:15:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Amarrian loyalists are proven liars. Their witness accounts mean nothing.
And of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more (note: sarcasm). Especially when backed up by an "Independent" witness who just happens to be a frontman (or frontwoman in this case) for a business that is supplied and funded by an unknown entity, and thus inherently suspect.
Beyond that it's a known factor that this unknown entity has SF-sympathies.
Overall (beyond the fact that the speaker did arrive safe and sound) this seems to be word against word. As such who you (third party) believe in is determined by who has (in the viewers eye) the greatest credibility.
Personally I tend to believe the escorting force (obvious given my loyalties, but also since OQ has never broken their word to me or anyone I know). Brother Joshua is as far as I know not a pod-pilot, and thus not likely to be cloned either (especially not given his position) casting an unfavorable light on your side of the story.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 19:50:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more
Why yes, yes it does.
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Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr
A Better Future
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Posted - 2007.04.14 20:06:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more
Why yes, yes it does.
Only in your own mind and minds of people like you.
You have one skill Jasmine Constantine. You're a skilled Pod-pilot.
However for some ludicrous reason (note again: sarcasm) trust and the worth of your word doesn't seem to be dependant on how skilled you are when in control of a ship, but wether or not you're a decent human being or not.
Amazing isn't it.
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Tomahawk Bliss
INTAKI UNION
The OSS
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Posted - 2007.04.14 22:39:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne
You can of course believe what you want if it helps you overcome your failures in the field. But instead of accusing the good Brother of employing a jumpclone or other "magical" ways to travel you should maybe listen to the words of someone who was actually with the gang in question after the jump into Kor Azor Prime.
Amarrian loyalists are proven liars. Their witness accounts mean nothing.
the Amarr Loyalists you are fighting have proven time again to maintain their dignity and honor. this is with out question, something even their true enemies can attest to. you may not like their way, but they are honest about it and stick to it.
so yes Jasmine, their word counts for much.
Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
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Heero Yuy
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.14 23:35:00 -
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I'd estimate it counts for exactly as much as yours. You being a backstabbing loudmouth, that isn't saying a whole lot however.
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.04.15 06:45:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
of course the word of Jasmine Constantine counts for so much more
Why yes, yes it does.
That almost made me laugh.
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Octavinus Augustus
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.15 09:36:00 -
[115]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
What is clear is that the Brother, by whatever means, succeeded in reaching the planet and carrying out his mission.
The mission of the Amarr loyalists was to ensure that he did. Consequently, I must conclude that we, at least, can concur that the Amarr loyalists did indeed meet our objectives.
It is words such as these, Mr Cosmopolite, that insure that I hold your opinion in so much higher esteem than the inane babbling so often presented by certain others in your alliance.
And regarding the value of the word of Jasmine Constantine:
Originally by: Heero Yuy
I'd estimate it counts for exactly as much as yours. You being a backstabbing loudmouth, that isn't saying a whole lot however.
Ehm. One question.
If "you" are a backstabbing loudmouth in your opinion, and if the word of either "counts for exactly as much" - does that mean that you think that Jasmine is a "backstabbing loudmouth" too?
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.15 12:08:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
What is clear is that the Brother, by whatever means, succeeded in reaching the planet and carrying out his mission.
The mission of the Amarr loyalists was to ensure that he did. Consequently, I must conclude that we, at least, can concur that the Amarr loyalists did indeed meet our objectives.
It is words such as these, Mr Cosmopolite, that insure that I hold your opinion in so much higher esteem than the inane babbling so often presented by certain others in your alliance.
And regarding the value of the word of Jasmine Constantine:
Originally by: Heero Yuy
I'd estimate it counts for exactly as much as yours. You being a backstabbing loudmouth, that isn't saying a whole lot however.
Ehm. One question.
If "you" are a backstabbing loudmouth in your opinion, and if the word of either "counts for exactly as much" - does that mean that you think that Jasmine is a "backstabbing loudmouth" too?
No wonder you have trouble making yourself understood when you struggle so mightily even to follow a simple line of conversation  he was talking about Tomahawk clearly .
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