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MrTrump
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:37:00 -
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It's been buzzed all over the internet and on this forum that a linux client would be released in 3 weeks...4 weeks ago.
Anybody have new news on the status of the linux client?
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MrTrump
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Posted - 2007.04.12 02:26:00 -
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No one has any info?
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Stray Spider
Gallente
Magnetar Ltd
Dark Synergy
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Posted - 2007.04.13 06:37:00 -
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The guy who did the interview didn't know it had to be April 1:st to actually lie/joke.
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Lilia Wenner
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:09:00 -
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Personally I don't mind if it's just delayed, but still coming.
However, it would be nice to hear something about a new estimate of availability...
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Mal Plox
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.23 20:35:00 -
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Probably hanging out with Mac client... Starcraft II is announced for Mac, X3 is out for Mac and no sign of EVE client...
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Cherubina Stretch
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Posted - 2007.05.24 02:10:00 -
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I would ditch Windoze in a heartbeat if I had a top shelf MMO that had a naitive Linux client. Might be a double post due to some forum login wierdness, if so - sorry =)
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Gwarnina
Minmatar
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.24 14:01:00 -
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Edited by: Gwarnina on 24/05/2007 14:01:00
 Originally by: Cherubina Stretch
I would ditch Windoze in a heartbeat if I had a top shelf MMO that had a naitive Linux client.
Cherubina, that is what I thought until I accidentally killed off XP on my machine and figured that was a good omen to dive into Linux. There is a very good thread here in Tech Lab about running Eve under wine in Linux, you can always try that. I recommend Ubuntu for starters, it's a very newb friendly distribution.
If you're worried about partitioning/screwing up your hard disk, give Wubi a try. It creates a virtual partition for Ubuntu to run inside - essentially one huge file on your Windows hard disk. Through some pretty nice wizardry you can select which one you want to boot into when your PC starts, without changing anything on the hard disk.
There is really no risk, and if you have a free afternoon to try this out, you'll be hopefully surprised that it is a lot less painful than you'd have thought. Make sure you grab the proper video drivers - the ones provided by default have lousy 3D support.
One final word - Teamspeak has a native Linux client that runs fine, but I've been having a hard time to get Ventrilo to behave decently. Seems to depend on your hardware and the phase of the moon.
I've left Windows behind and haven't looked back since.
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Lilia Wenner
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Posted - 2007.06.13 06:12:00 -
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Another posting had this link in it:
World of Darkness Online could be here in 4 or 5 years.
It has a comment on Linux client too:
"- An EVE Online Mac/Linux native client will be released in August later this year. Penguins in SPAAAAAAACE!"
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rig0r
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.14 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lilia Wenner
Another posting had this link in it:
World of Darkness Online could be here in 4 or 5 years.
It has a comment on Linux client too:
"- An EVE Online Mac/Linux native client will be released in August later this year. Penguins in SPAAAAAAACE!"
Native ? August ? Confusing. I'll believe it when I see it 
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Grett
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Grett on 15/06/2007 14:35:25
plz ignore(main post below)
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Dunpeal
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:36:00 -
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Let's all say it loud, and say it PROUD!
PENGUINS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!! 
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Mary Falliente
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.16 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mary Falliente on 16/06/2007 07:59:50
Originally by: rig0r
Originally by: Lilia Wenner
Another posting had this link in it:
World of Darkness Online could be here in 4 or 5 years.
It has a comment on Linux client too:
"- An EVE Online Mac/Linux native client will be released in August later this year. Penguins in SPAAAAAAACE!"
Native ? August ? Confusing. I'll believe it when I see it
Actually I find the native client quite possible, remember the first postings on this subject.
"The Linux client is mainly being targeted at Eastern Europe where they may be running on older hardware with Linux while the Mac Client has been a joint project with Transgaming."
Okay, is someone going to tell me with full sincerity that a wine/cedega solution fits the older hardware profile? I don't think so.
The wine/cedega solution works nicely currently on my dual core amd64 (2GHz/core), 2GB ram (1G/core), 7900GTX with nvidia latest drivers OpenGL XOrg, etc. Does that sound like running on older hardware? Okay, there are newer hardware, but I personally don't find it reasonable to dump thousands of Euros to keep my machine on newest and greatest hardware.
And if the Mac OS X version will also be native, really cool for them too. 
Naturally, I will believe this only when I will be playing the game, but I sure hope this is the truth of things to come.
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Mary Falliente
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.16 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dunpeal
Let's all say it loud, and say it PROUD!
PENGUINS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!
PENGUINS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!! 
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.06.16 11:34:00 -
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I'm quite impatient for the native linux client to be released :)
Just found that my ut2k4 on debian lenny runs much more smoother (especially on spots with fountains, like one with heavy armor DM-DE-Osiris2) and average fps is higher.
EVE thru wine has higher fps than under windows too, but not that much. Hope native client won't have any bugs eve-under-wine has :P
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Warlord Worg
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mal Plox
Probably hanging out with Mac client... Starcraft II is announced for Mac, X3 is out for Mac and no sign of EVE client...
X3 will also be available for linux.
Now we just need mac/linux client so I can ditch Cedega and I'll be happy man.
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M1AU
The X-Trading Company
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dunpeal
Let's all say it loud, and say it PROUD!
PENGUINS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!!
PENGUINS IN SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!!!! yep definitely.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Warlord Worg
Originally by: Mal Plox
Probably hanging out with Mac client... Starcraft II is announced for Mac, X3 is out for Mac and no sign of EVE client...
X3 will also be available for linux.
Now we just need mac/linux client so I can ditch Cedega and I'll be happy man.
Chances are that the linux client is going to BE THE CEDEGA ENGINE....so um, well.......be happy anyway. heh heh
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BigWhale
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.22 08:40:00 -
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I was just informed that it has the same release date as Duke Nukem Forever! ;)
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R, U, Y are letters...
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Warlord Worg
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.22 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Warlord Worg
Originally by: Mal Plox
Probably hanging out with Mac client... Starcraft II is announced for Mac, X3 is out for Mac and no sign of EVE client...
X3 will also be available for linux.
Now we just need mac/linux client so I can ditch Cedega and I'll be happy man.
Chances are that the linux client is going to BE THE CEDEGA ENGINE....so um, well.......be happy anyway. heh heh
I can live with that
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.06.22 18:37:00 -
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Comparing wine and cedega performance i'd choose wine installation if 'native' client would be built against cedega-libs :>
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Mary Falliente
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.30 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Warlord Worg
Originally by: Mal Plox
Probably hanging out with Mac client... Starcraft II is announced for Mac, X3 is out for Mac and no sign of EVE client...
X3 will also be available for linux.
Now we just need mac/linux client so I can ditch Cedega and I'll be happy man.
Chances are that the linux client is going to BE THE CEDEGA ENGINE....so um, well.......be happy anyway. heh heh
Chances are, but I sure hope they do the right thing and forget about wine/cedega and do a real client as they have been talking about a native client in some interviews which wine/cedega isn't by definition...
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Simon Monkoto
AirHawk Alliance
Insomnia.
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Posted - 2007.07.01 10:43:00 -
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I used EVE under Cedega in Ubuntu for quite some but eventually I had to leave it for the time being. Nothing to do with performance or anything, it worked quite well. The problem for me is that my alliance uses ventrilo which does not have a native Linux client. I can get it working fine under Wine but once its windows loses focus I can no longer use the push to talk key. Off topic I know but its really the only thing keeping me from playing EVE under Linux.
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Lord Thalic
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.01 14:16:00 -
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Well the Ventrilo linux client is in development so there's hope
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.01 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Thalic
Well the Ventrilo linux client is in development so there's hope
Uh.......all I can say to this is....if you hold your breath, you are probably gonna' turn blue, fall down, and then die. They've had a "linux client being developed" statement on vent's site for over two years.......and still the wind blows, the dust gathers, and the linux section of their forums remain empty.
Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE |
Mannington Skank
Gallente
Lynx Frontier Inc.
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.02 08:40:00 -
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Pls plspls linux eve client !!! Repeat after me or bump to bring awareness to ccp, :)
LONG LIVE EVE ON LINUX !!!
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Lord Thalic
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.02 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
Originally by: Lord Thalic
Well the Ventrilo linux client is in development so there's hope
Uh.......all I can say to this is....if you hold your breath, you are probably gonna' turn blue, fall down, and then die. They've had a "linux client being developed" statement on vent's site for over two years.......and still the wind blows, the dust gathers, and the linux section of their forums remain empty.
bummer 
Going to e-mail them to hear what's going on.
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Maveric7911
Caldari
Perpetua Umbra
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.07.09 15:21:00 -
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You can get vent working under linux. There are directions all over the web. Works pretty well too!!
To Game Or Not To Game?
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.10 01:23:00 -
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My alliance uses ventrilo. My solution to avoid tons of hoops:
Run vent on a laptop sitting beside the main box. No focus issues and it does work fairly well. Much MUCH better on wine .9.40 than previous versions.
There are hacks for the focus issue if you are stuck with just a single machine, but I've heard nothing very good about stability running vent AND EVE at the same time on the same box.
Ubuntu 3d Beryl-Linux Desktop+EVE |
Mary Falliente
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.12 11:22:00 -
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Now would start being a nice time to start hearing something like an official announcement about this "promised" client for Mac&Linux from CCP and not just as short comments in a podcast and in interviews on external sites.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.08.12 12:58:00 -
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Guys, this has already been asked and answered by a CCP Dev.
I would link directly to the post, but I can't find it right now. Basically, there WILL NOT be a native Linux client. Period. Basically, the EVE Developers are working with the Cedega people to make sure that EVE is supported by Cedega as much as possible.
Unfortunately, this also means that we will likely have to PAY EXTRA to use the "linux client". I strongly suspect that we will have to have an EVE subscription AND a Cedega subscription in order to run the "linux client".
Nice job CCP. Way to ensure that nobody will EVER want to play EVE on Linux.
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Solbright altaltalt
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Posted - 2007.08.12 15:02:00 -
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Get a life. Native is in the eye of the beholder.
Here's your link.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.08.13 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright altaltalt
Get a life. Native is in the eye of the beholder.
Here's your link.
No, that's beauty.
Native Client has an actual meaning. Those of us based in reality choose to use proper definitions, since words mean things.
A Native Linux Client runs without the use of a compatibility layer such as Cedega or Wine. It comes either as a source tarball that must be compiled with a tool such as GCC, or comes in a binary format such as .rpm or .deb. It CAN be a ported version of a windows program, but it is NOT a windows program in and of itself.
A windows program that only runs with a compatibility layer is NOT a Native Linux client. to call it such is to bastardize the meaning of the term and to promote ignorance of proper terminology.
However, I do thank you for the link. that is the one I was looking for:
Quote:
We will deliver the same binaries on all platforms (Windows, Linux, Mac OS X) and work on compatibility. TransGaming will then create special installers for Linux and Mac OS X as well as platform specific patches/updates. Don't know how the financial aspect or subscription details will be handled (but that will become clear when we release, not my department though).
The SAME binaries. No porting, no source code, no linux-specific binary, NO NATIVE CLIENT.
It can't be clearer than that.
As a side note, I was VERY glad to see this added by CCP to the linked thread:
Quote:
Just a clarification on the 'paying extra' for EVE on Cedega.
You will pay the same price for EVE on Linux/Mac as you pay for EVE on Windows. Same Monthly subscription fees. The Cedega/Cider builds that back the EVE release will be locked to those products.
Repeat. You will only be paying the same monthly fee for EVE on the new platforms. No extra fees will be charged for running on these platform.
So at least we won't be paying extra. Honestly, that was my biggest beef with the whole thing. I really didn't like the idea of paying more just to play on Linux.
All terminology arguments aside, Ultimately I really am not overly concerned if we get a native client or a wrapped client, as long as it doesn't cost me any more. Besides, a wrapped client is the next step towards a native client once gaming companies see the market for linux games take off.
So it's all good now. 
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen
Native Client has an actual meaning. Those of us based in reality choose to use proper definitions, since words mean things.
I tossed up on replying but had a recording to watch so ...
As the computing world has been dragged into the free-market world, where monopolies rule the roost, you get a situation where there is basically one hardware platform and one OS structure. Any upstarts are either ignored or conform to the "one". End result is you get so much commonality that true porting is no longer needed.
Instead, a bunch of translation libs servers the purpose. And when said libs are included in the install files of the app, what's to say it's not just another lib?
Admittedly, Wine is truly a massive undertaking but that is more a sign of todays bloated OSes than anything else.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:57:00 -
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Hell, an interpreted program is less native than a Wine'd one.
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.08.14 08:27:00 -
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PLease look at : This thread
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.14 10:55:00 -
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I think its actually a moot point (native vs. "wine'd"). If the performance differences are neglible, and the application RUNS on the Operating System you choose rather than have chosen for you... Then its all good.
Even better from my perspective is seeing a MASSIVE uptick in interest in these non "ms" platforms. In my corp there are 4 linux users. Looking at the posts in these threads in the tech forum, as well as the general "flame wars", I'd say, as a percentage, we are getting noticed, and thats a great thing.
It would be my hope regardless of the "native" status of EVE, that CCP realizes the potential market, and with the WOD IP, they rethink their "directx only" path and use a true cross platform philosophy when designing future products.
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UberL0rd
Minmatar
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Sevarus James
I think its actually a moot point (native vs. "wine'd").
Well - wrong! If it's native then it stands a reasonable change of running on non x86 based hardware or in x86_64 native mode.
And as a Gentoo/FreeBSD developer I'll be running 3 layers of emulation when FreeBSD 7.0 comes out as it will support my laptops graphics card AND should work with the Gentoo toolchain on amd64 (it doesn't for 6.2)
So the code path will be EVE (Windows) -> WINE/CEDEGA -> Linux Emulator on FreeBSD.
That will be interesting 
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.08.14 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: UberL0rd
If it's native then it stands a reasonable change of running on non x86 based hardware ...
Good try but no. Source level compatibility is all about removing native requirements, not enforcing them.
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UberL0rd
Minmatar
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.08.14 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: UberL0rd
If it's native then it stands a reasonable change of running on non x86 based hardware ...
Good try but no. Source level compatibility is all about removing native requirements, not enforcing them.
Maybe you misunderstood.
EVE Native Windows client (what we have now) requires Windows.
EVE on Linux is made for Windows.
Windows requries x86 , so EVE On Linux requires x86. [1]
This is where we are now, even with the CCP announcement.
EVE Native Linux client requires Linux
EVE on Linux is made for Linux.
Linux requires x86, x86_64, alpha, mips, sparc, powerpc, superh, m68k, s390 - and a few others I've no doubt missed.
So with a native EVE Linux client, CCP could in theory release binaries for the above platforms running Linux.
Of course, it's not that simple as you have endian issues, signed issues, etc. This is not helped that the simple fact that as Windows is x86 only [1] it's probably developed with the endianess and signedness of x86.
So taking all that into consideration, how am I enforcing native requirements beyond what there already are?
[1] Of course you can get 64-bit Windows for x86_64, but I don't see EVE binaries for that either 
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Bish Ounen
Gallente
Omni-Core Freedom Fighters
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.08.14 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: UberL0rd
Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: UberL0rd
If it's native then it stands a reasonable change of running on non x86 based hardware ...
Good try but no. Source level compatibility is all about removing native requirements, not enforcing them.
Maybe you misunderstood.
EVE Native Windows client (what we have now) requires Windows.
EVE on Linux is made for Windows.
Windows requries x86 , so EVE On Linux requires x86. [1]
This is where we are now, even with the CCP announcement.
EVE Native Linux client requires Linux
EVE on Linux is made for Linux.
Linux requires x86, x86_64, alpha, mips, sparc, powerpc, superh, m68k, s390 - and a few others I've no doubt missed.
So with a native EVE Linux client, CCP could in theory release binaries for the above platforms running Linux.
Of course, it's not that simple as you have endian issues, signed issues, etc. This is not helped that the simple fact that as Windows is x86 only [1] it's probably developed with the endianess and signedness of x86.
So taking all that into consideration, how am I enforcing native requirements beyond what there already are?
[1] Of course you can get 64-bit Windows for x86_64, but I don't see EVE binaries for that either
Frankly, I'd be happy seeing CCP do a limited release tarball for the core developers of various platforms, and then let the core devs roll the binary for release for their platform. Of course, they could also just put a tarball out there and let us roll it ourselves, but I think for many linux newbies that would be a tad too difficult.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.08.15 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: UberL0rd
Linux requires x86, x86_64, alpha, mips, sparc, powerpc, superh, m68k, s390 - and a few others I've no doubt missed.
You've just required a non-native method! Only the finished binaries are the native code.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.08.15 13:21:00 -
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Just to be clear. Converting to source level compatibility means that the development is no longer native to any particular OS. And there is still no porting involved.
Then what happens is, cross-platform APIs get used. Oh, gee another layer is back ... :P But we'd all be happy because no one OS is favored. :)
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UberL0rd
Minmatar
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.08.15 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Solbright
Originally by: UberL0rd
Linux requires x86, x86_64, alpha, mips, sparc, powerpc, superh, m68k, s390 - and a few others I've no doubt missed.
You've just required a non-native method! Only the finished binaries are the native code.
Errr dude, no one is talking about CCP releasing the source which I think is what you're saying. We're not asking for the source.
I was just making the point that IF they make a native linux client and release this binary then they COULD do the same for other architectures and OS's - like i386 FreeBSD, Sparc64 NetBSD, etc.
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.08.15 13:57:00 -
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Some of the idea's in this thread are great ideas but hit some reality blocks.
We would love to have EVE on as many platforms as possible, but there is one thing that we must must must have and that is accountability.
If we start releasing any sort of open platform to build against for EVE then it adds another level of potential failure that we can not account for. Would you as a paying customer like being told that you need to talk to 'xyz' development group for support issues?
We are being as restrictive as we are only to make sure that we can provide 1 point of service for our customers. I know this means that we do not get onto all the platforms possible and that some people get left out, but there is nothing practical we can do about that and still provide the level of service required of us as an On-line roleplaying game.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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UberL0rd
Minmatar
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.08.15 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
We would love to have EVE on as many platforms as possible, but there is one thing that we must must must have and that is accountability.
If we start releasing any sort of open platform to build against for EVE then it adds another level of potential failure that we can not account for. Would you as a paying customer like being told that you need to talk to 'xyz' development group for support issues?
By releasing any kind of Linux client you have already done that. Or are you saying "Here's a Linux client! But hey, no support."
As a paying customer I would like CCP to fix bugs with EVE. Or are you also saying you can fix Windows bugs that affect EVE too? As I have a whole can of worms playing EVE in Windows on my machine at work which I know for sure are not bugs with EVE as they are reproducable in other applications. But strangely the same hardware running Linux plays EVE just fine.
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Solbright
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2007.08.15 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: UberL0rd
I was just making the point that IF they make a native linux client and release this binary then they COULD do the same for other architectures and OS's - like i386 FreeBSD, Sparc64 NetBSD, etc.
You are asking CCP to adopt source level compatibility. That's what I'm saying.
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.08.15 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: UberL0rd
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
We would love to have EVE on as many platforms as possible, but there is one thing that we must must must have and that is accountability.
If we start releasing any sort of open platform to build against for EVE then it adds another level of potential failure that we can not account for. Would you as a paying customer like being told that you need to talk to 'xyz' development group for support issues?
By releasing any kind of Linux client you have already done that. Or are you saying "Here's a Linux client! But hey, no support."
As a paying customer I would like CCP to fix bugs with EVE. Or are you also saying you can fix Windows bugs that affect EVE too? As I have a whole can of worms playing EVE in Windows on my machine at work which I know for sure are not bugs with EVE as they are reproducable in other applications. But strangely the same hardware running Linux plays EVE just fine.
Interesting twist. No we do not fix Windows error's *lol*
You pay to play EVE and you pay for the support that goes with it. So we can only release what we can actively support.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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UberL0rd
Minmatar
Brotherhood of Polar Equation
Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2007.08.15 16:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Interesting twist. No we do not fix Windows error's *lol*
You pay to play EVE and you pay for the support that goes with it. So we can only release what we can actively support.
Great!
As a paying EVE customer I make no distinction between a native Linux client and a native Windows client with a special wrapper that runs on Linux. And as a provider of said game, you should not either. Having a native linux client is no different from having a DirectX9 and DirectX10 clients - they're seperate entities as dev blogs have indicated.
We're not asking for any open platform to build eve against, no. Let's not be that silly 
But what we'll probably ask for later, after inital Linux support, is a native client that uses OpenGL. But we both know that won't happen as you've invested too much in Microsoft only technologies . And WINE is x86 only
Note to any would be software makers - Microsoft technologies are not the only option anymore. I game on Linux *yesterday*. Tomorrow I want to play my games on FreeBSD, maybe next year on QNX. Who knows what the underlying CPU will be? So here's some massive hints.
1) Use OpenGL - it's an open spec so it's cross platform (also works on Windows)
2) Use OpenAL - it's an open spec so it's cross platform (also works on Windows)
3) SDL is the nearest thing we have for cross platform network/mouse/keyword, but compared to the above two items are trivial in comparison.
Or if you insist, then abstract the graphics and sound engines like in UnrealTournament where you can swap between DirectX and OpenGL on Windows.
Lemmie see where Linux also runs? Oh yeah, PS/3 and Xbox. EVE on those platforms?
Meh, that's enough for now :) I'll get off my soapbox.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.15 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Lingorm
If we start releasing any sort of open platform to build against for EVE then it adds another level of potential failure that we can not account for. Would you as a paying customer like being told that you need to talk to 'xyz' development group for support issues?
OK then: will you be providing technical support for those aspects of the wrapped client that are part of TransGaming's software? Or will it be the responsibility of the TransGaming devs to fix the Cedega / Cider bugs?
Because if thats the case, then you've already done just that.
And I'll be honest with you- as a paying customer, I'd prefer have access to EVE on my platform of choice bundled with the necessity of less convenient support basis than not have access to EVE on my platform of choice at all. Simply: I'd prefer buggy EVE than no EVE.
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Kadesh Priestess
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Posted - 2007.08.15 20:52:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Simply: I'd prefer buggy EVE than no EVE.
We were doing it for loong time (so no need imo to point at this fact). Only recent wine solutions are really doing their job well with eve :)
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ElChupacabra
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Posted - 2007.08.16 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Monkoto
I used EVE under Cedega in Ubuntu for quite some but eventually I had to leave it for the time being. Nothing to do with performance or anything, it worked quite well. The problem for me is that my alliance uses ventrilo which does not have a native Linux client. I can get it working fine under Wine but once its windows loses focus I can no longer use the push to talk key. Off topic I know but its really the only thing keeping me from playing EVE under Linux.
When I was still playing this used to do the trick. Install/Usage docs are in the tarball (README).
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