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Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.04.10 11:43:00 - [31] well spawn i like the ideas if there was a way to test them on the test server. i like both ideas but i think the first one has alot of freedom and this idea is more restricted. it appears many others have simular concerns but i noticed you repeat your self many times explaining how you would fix any issues they see. im just saying love the destroyer idea and the bot killer post was amusing! i doubt this will have any bearing on the minds of others but heres an additional nerf idea... rather than puting a BPO in ship it will only accept BPC meaning you have to research the drone copies and the amount of drones that can be created is limited by the runs of each copy... what do you and everyone else think about that...
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.04.11 03:07:00 - [32] i guess there are not much negitive or positive anyone can say about my fix to your post.
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.04.19 23:49:00 - [33] any idea when this will be implamented to the game?
Marquis Dean Indigo Fade	Posted - 2007.04.20 00:53:00 - [34] Originally by: Emporors Champian any idea when this will be implamented to the game? This thread was nice and dead. You stupid ass. --- Indigo Fade is now selling jumpclones for superb prices, please see Marquis Dean's bio and/or evemail/convo him ingame.
Jaedar Metron Artificial Horizons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.20 01:20:00 - [35] Edited by: Jaedar Metron on 20/04/2007 01:17:36 Originally by: Emporors Champian any idea when this will be implamented to the game? How about never? To the OP, I've got several issues with your idea and reasonings, read on... 1. Hull is free. You just fit a couple of hull repairers. As a vet you know that all real men hull tank! (Hull tanking a Drake doesnt work well by the way... 2. Eve does not work like that. There are tons of items in the game. It gives the game alot of strategic depth. Take away the need for actually getting some of the items removes pieces of strategic oomphs. By removing the need for buying the drones you remove the risks of losing them, and you remove the logistics of getting new ones, although I see your entire point is just that, to remove the logistics and make the game "plug and play" like WoW. 3. Drones are ammunition. remove the need for actually buying them and you will have an unlimited supply of ammunition. If you add this to all ammunition, all ammunition based strategic oomph is removed. 4. As the drones are items, theres no way for CCP to just stuff this into the game. The drones would need an entire rework, drones would be removed from the databases (as they are no longer needed) and a new object would be needed with the right code to insure that the drones would indeed disappear and not being lootable. 4. If the drones from market disappears, so does the BPO's (again, no point in having them) You want CCP to create you entirely new items/mods just so that drone users can be even more overpowered than they already are? 5. If you have issues with how some things are unreasonable, try reading the chronicles. And short stories. "The Jovian Wetgrave" should quench your thirst for information regarding Battleships being flown by one man (They are not). Also read the short story with the bounty hunter, thats a good one too. E. Champian, your idea is better, but again, no BPO's, no BPC's, refer to #5 Also, refer to all the other numbers All in all, your idea is flawed to the extremes. I had to resist the dire need of flaming you . Basically, you'll remove depth from the game, you'll remove risks of item loss, you'll waste developers time and you will further increase the nasty power of the drone users. In related news you should wolk on your grammar and read up on EvE's background and facts before posting stuff and claiming you are a veteran player, even if you really are(sorry ISD, I could resist, onwards, my knights!) Regards -JM
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.04.20 10:04:00 - [36] hehe well your points may be valid but to me those arguments seem so petty i will gladly watch the decay of T1 drones market value buying drones is a pin in but you can buy them so cheep like 12k-20k isk pluss they drop in wreaks. my big issue is look how cheep they are but few players make them so you have to fly 15 jumps to get them! oops they die fly 15 jumps again. can buy the BPO cheep too. i dont see what the fuss is about? i would be against a T2 drone implemented this way but T1 hell yeah. there are unlimited suplys of ammo just do a complex or few missions and you have more ammo then you know what to do with. as far as writing the program? there is very little involved, it would be a small patch the only thing is it would be tedious work to go in every ship and set up a build program. it does not make galente stronger! and it would not make any other race stronger, it just opens options. this is a counterballanced rule. if you use it to gain drone power you lose ship power, notice spawns claims and i see his points to be very logical.
Jaedar Metron Artificial Horizons YouWhat	Posted - 2007.04.20 14:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Emporors Champian hehe well your points may be valid but to me those arguments seem so petty i will gladly watch the decay of T1 drones market Some people are actually making a living out of them. Thats right, they are called new players. Quote: value buying drones is a pin in but you can buy them so cheep like 12k-20k isk pluss they drop in wreaks. my big issue is look how cheep they are but few players make them so you have to fly 15 jumps to get them! oops they die fly 15 jumps again. Again, this is part of the strategy of the game. EvE is not a game where you perfect your aim or timing or whatever. It's more about strategy and plotting your actions correctly. Knowing what modules to fit your ship with is part of this, knowing what ammo to fit is part of this, and knowing that you can potentionally lose your drones when travelling is part of this. Before you leave your HQ station, check the market of your destination. Are there drones there? No? Stuff a couple more of them badasses in your cargohold as spares... Quote: can buy the BPO cheep too. i dont see what the fuss is about? God kills a noob every time people with more experience say something like that Quote: there are unlimited suplys of ammo just do a complex or few missions and you have more ammo then you know what to do with. I prefer to stay away form PvE thank you, but that does not mean I want to have easy access to various forms of ammunition (drones). I prefer the strategic oomph of actually thinking about my ammunition before I cut myself away from the suppliers. Which brings me to another point: I live in 0.0 Serpentis space. Out here we CAN get alot of ammunition, but no missiles. Market also never have the missiletype I need, the nearest place I can find a couple is actually 20+ jumps away... What do I do? I BUILD them myself, or rather, I've got some helpful mates that do it for me. Jaedar said: Let there be missiles And there were missiles, and all was good. Quote: as far as writing the program? there is very little involved, it would be a small patch the only thing is it would be tedious work to go in every ship and set up a build program. To be honest, I do not know much about programming. Do you? To me it seems like alot of work: -Remove all drones from loottables and databases. -Add a completely new Destoryable object using the old drone models and animation. -Make this new object work like the old drones, without being dropable. -Add a completely new building program that can build these new objects with the use of hull structure. This might not even be everything that needs to be done, and while it might not seem like much work, I believe the last point would indeed take a while to code, as the grounds for making it isnt already there. Quote: it does not make galente stronger! and it would not make any other race stronger, it just opens options. Could you please tell me exactly what options it opens? To me it seems like it would indeed reduce the amount of strategy in EvE. And by god, yes, it would indeed make Gallente stronger... One of the drawbacks of drone ships is exactly the fact that they can lose the drones. The only fix drones need is their AI becoming smart. Quote: this is a counterballanced rule. if you use it to gain drone power you lose ship power, notice spawns claims and i see his points to be very logical. It is not counterbalanced. Hell, give me unlimited ammunition in my launchers and I'll gladly fly with 1 hull HP. Hull is damn near USELESS, unless youre a man and hulltank The gains by far outweigh the penalty. Thanks for reading -JM
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.04.24 10:10:00 - [38] the people who make a living off T1 drones give up quickly because they do not produce enough income. this is why there are so few sellers. well if your willing to fly 15 jumps for drones then hey, all i can say is i dont and wont. if i have to fly more than 5 jumps for something i wont buy it i will just get the BPO and build it. i dont care for noobs or nub but i do care for the newbs. i also have to say thats a funny statement. many of us especialy corp members with roles are required to PVE for status allowing the corp to place POS in empire or to get jump clones. and most of us build our own ammo so it would hardly affect the ammo. i happen to moonlight as a programmer (games only). and ro remove information is the easiest thing to do long as it is not shared information. i could go into detail but this would need chapters and i dont wanna write a novel. but i would say that they already have build brograms in game and you can duplicate them and write a short script to limit it in what ever ways. trigger is all that is needed to activate hull damage just set the percentage and done. you wouldnt rid of drones cuz they still need to be built by someone for those who dont have interest in the production side of eve. the galente ships would not be stronger once again because every other ship in the game can mimic this addition making it have little impact. i think what (emporor) was saying about open options was allowing any race any ship to take on a whole new combat element that galente perdy much was the master of. but then again it would not weaken the galente cuz the have the drone bonuses. is almost like this math problem... +100 -100 = 0. giving galente this option gives 100 points to galente giving this option to other races removes that 100 points. the drones are not limitless because if we go by (emporors) idea then it is very time consuming as well as causing hull damage while your being shot at in a mission. pluss dont forget my idea locks the drones to the ship unless destroyed. so you cant use this method to make isk.
Emporors Champian	Posted - 2007.04.24 11:46:00 - [39] exactly what im trying to say!
Klavayne Pack Of Shadows	Posted - 2007.04.24 18:19:00 - [40] You can have this feature if i can produce scourge missiles in my nighthawk. Personally, i dont think its even worth it. It'll ruin lot of setups, if you feel the need to repair the structure in battle, and most people dont lose drones often enough that they need to build them in a ship. And btw, why are you so quick to judge that everyone else is a noob. This "I was playing eve before..." is rubbish. Being an older player doesnt exempt you from being wrong from time to time. (Especially when 'old' in your eyes only means a year and a half)
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.24 20:52:00 - [41] Originally by: SpawnSupreme i happen to moonlight as a programmer (games only). Actually, this is more BS. In one thread you're some navy commander, in another a mathematics PhD, and now you're a game programmer? Excuse me while I laugh at you... My advice would be to: 1) Seek councelling regarding Multiple Personality Disorder. 2) Finish School (spelling). 3) Stop polluting forums with your random brainfarts. N.F.F. Recruitment - Killboard Mirroring tool
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.04.24 23:35:00 - [42] im not a navy commander im an intell advisor for special operation unit tactics. this is my job! i do not hold a PHD in mathmatics but my math skills are far above average! math is a prerequisit to all computer related training and i just mention i moonlight as a programmer meaning i make little to no money with this hobby. besides my roomate happens to hold 3 jobs and 3 very difficult jobs in diferent parts of the country so if i did claim to have all this wich i dont it is still possible given my age! im 35 and probably have more years in school than you have on this earth!
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.25 00:44:00 - [43] You have now been set to -10.0 standing, if I see you outside of Hi-Sec you're a dead man.
Terianna Eri Amarr STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.04.25 00:51:00 - [44] Originally by: SpawnSupreme im not a navy commander im an intell advisor for special operation unit tactics. this is my job! i do not hold a PHD in mathmatics but my math skills are far above average! math is a prerequisit to all computer related training and i just mention i moonlight as a programmer meaning i make little to no money with this hobby. besides my roomate happens to hold 3 jobs and 3 very difficult jobs in diferent parts of the country so if i did claim to have all this wich i dont it is still possible given my age! im 35 and probably have more years in school than you have on this earth! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAHAHAHHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHA If you really were that smart, you'd know that this is a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. It's simply awful. __________________________________ <-- Behold, the eve-o forums
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.25 02:52:00 - [45] Edited by: Ryysa on 25/04/2007 02:49:07 Somehow I doubt you are anywhere close to 35, probably less than half that. Either that or you are suffering from severe psychological disorder(s) and should seek immediate treatment. N.F.F. Recruitment - Killboard Mirroring tool
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.04.26 20:33:00 - [46] lol you people have an inability to remain on subjects. are that ugly or suffer from lack of intamacy so much as to constantly ridicule people. all i know is im glad this is internet not person to person cuz i was born and raised violent so i have my thoghts. but i keep a level head and try to stay on subject so i dont act jovinile like you people. you people all have the same answers! not only in my post but every post i see! it wont work! its unballanced! its to powerfull! ok great idea if it make me stronger! you need to think outside the box, consider how each race feals about the same subject. just cuz it hurts me and my play style or favorite ship setup doent mean over all it brings more fun more variety more advresaty.
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:23:00 - [47] So now you are threatening to kick my ass in real life because of a forum post? Your intelligence keeps "amazing me". And on the subject, some people actually took it serious, I pity them. Stop bumping the thread and let this silly idea die. Guide to EW - Killboard Mirroring tool
Tharsgaard Caldari Delta Troop 4th Cavalry Space Forces	Posted - 2007.04.26 21:45:00 - [48] Emporors Champain = spawnsupreme. spawnsupreme = emporors champain. And to the idea, just bad, really really bad, i would try to be constructive, but judging by the OP's reply's to anything constructive i wont bother. ----------------------------------------- Delta Troop is recruiting, Join channel D4CaV.
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.04.27 03:38:00 - [49] really! you think eporors chamian is my alt or something haha do you wanna see each of my alts i will post here to show all my alts and eporors is not one of them. but who cares i wont even bother to try and fight you on it... not worth my time. all i know is there are a few poeple here that suported my idea with an open mind an there thos of you who claim to be out of the closet flamers.... not sure why flammers in this game seem so angry some of the flamers i know in real life seem much more happy ***s.
Captain Crimson	Posted - 2007.04.27 05:02:00 - [50] Edited by: Captain Crimson on 27/04/2007 05:01:35 spawnsupreme and emperors champion..... just look at all the stupid posts you've done, do you even know EVE? Comparing stuff in real life is silly, it's a a game set god knows when in the future. This poorly thought out idea was probably made from the fact you lost all your drones in a mission.. in which case, cry some more, but don't spam the forums with useless ideas. The fact you have to relate to your 'real life' (ironic as you are lying on this) achievements shows you have been beaten on the forum. So learn to get over it! And saying 'o i cant bother to reply' is another attempt to get your ego back by trying to act tough.... oh dear. you need a severe lesson in EVE, life, and hopefully death. Trolling over. Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Dagnis Chaos Reborn 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.04.27 08:37:00 - [51] Edited by: Dagnis on 27/04/2007 08:34:05 NVM
Scout IIV	Posted - 2007.04.27 08:38:00 - [52] SpawnSupreme = Emporors Champian Because they both spell Caldari: cildari Gallente: Galente Minmatar: minmitar Amarr: Ammar
Jessi Maran	Posted - 2007.04.29 01:51:00 - [53] Edited by: Jessi Maran on 29/04/2007 01:47:22 A 'constructive' post: How about producing from equivalent minerals instead? at 100% more minerals than BPC cost. Bad idea or good idea, this reminds me of the Protoss Carriers, now that was (and still is) a great game. Starcraft anyone ?
Brisi Veto.	Posted - 2007.04.29 02:23:00 - [54] Translation: Hey everybody, let's take a single game mechanic, that works flawlessly, and scrap it. Yes you heard me, scrap it all together. Then we come up with some half-assed idea, which needs tons of balancing to implement, and will probably need a lot more over the next 2 years. Once it is completely perfect, we'll scrap that one. Then we come up with a new idea. This is like the best idea ever. I rule. Also, I'm a Navy intelligense officer, my dad works with plane assembly mechanics, I'm 35 years old. My roommate has 3 of the most complicated jobs in the world, all over the country no less. My math skills are incredible, and I own. Therefore, I can keep posting my ****ty ideas, and I won't listen to any of you, because you don't make sense. Wait a minute, I just had the bestest idea of all. Let's turn EVE off! Yeah you heard me, completely close it down. I don't need arguments or reasons, because it's a good idea. If any of you tries to contradict me, I 'll just tell you your reasons are jibberish. Oh right, I almost forgot. I own. Resistance is Fertile.
Cross Twilight	Posted - 2007.04.29 14:09:00 - [55] Got bored reading after around 70% of the first page, so I dunno if this has been said already. But your argument about the ships being piloted and maintained by a single pilot (the pod pilot) is just wrong, do some research, then you can post stuff. A few examples: Badger: Crew 150 Tempest: Crew 6500 Dominix: Crew 6200 Iteron: Crew 90 Maller: Crew 800 Megathron: Crew 6900 Raven: Crew 7400 Vexor: Crew 580
SpawnSupreme	Posted - 2007.04.29 16:29:00 - [56] Edited by: SpawnSupreme on 29/04/2007 16:32:21 where do you get that info? most of the people think 1 man does it all there ia no crews its all controled by the brain. that is not feasable tho cuz if the ship recieves a vital damage then it requires the the dexteraty and skill of hands! my roomate and i think we should pod some of you homosapians. first of all i dont think any of you realize what this rule is about second: if it is so bad of an idea why was itthought up and tested by CCP? third: of all this idea from ccp was slightly modified to be more funtional. forth: have any of you even bother for a brief second even concidered its funtionality? fifth: do any of you even have a creative mind to think of new ideas or fixes to bad ideas to make them work? come on rather than bashing something you dont understand, why not hop on my side of fence and figgure out a new way to work this old idea i mean why not? CCP talking about removeing every game mechanic and replaceing new one that require a scanner to do anything even to find your butt.
Marquis Dean Energy. Insurgency	Posted - 2007.04.29 16:32:00 - [57] Originally by: SpawnSupreme that require a scanner to do anything even to fund your butt. I, er, what? --- Originally by: Tista i dont like you much but i'm going to agree with you on that.
Captain Crimson	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:07:00 - [58] bump for more comedy value. Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
Zalathar Minmatar Biometaloid INC	Posted - 2007.04.29 17:10:00 - [59] so wait, you are a expert mathematitian, who plans navy seal ops and writes programming by night... and shares a flat? I would think they would pay you a bit better if you were a top military tactician, and you keep contardicting your previous posts. ~~~~~~ sig currently being remastered (it was too large) ~~~~~~
Sasu Odaie	Posted - 2007.04.29 18:16:00 - [60] Let's look at this purely logically mmmkay? I think many of the posters here have perhaps judged you harshly based upon your post's complete lack of grammar (and your own apparent illiteracy of course). If you are what you claim to be, which is monumentally doubtful, I sincerely hope you're not English, as, well, I really bloody hope that you're not in charge of our military. In any case, I would hope that anyone who wished to formulate a coherent argument would at least spend a few moments checking their post for huge errors. After all, If you want to be taken seriously by anyone over the age of fourteen, literacy is a must... Regarding your idea, let's discuss it in the context of EVE. EVE is perhaps one of the most comprehensively justified games there is. Why in the world would drones simply disappear when you leave? Hell, why would something made from materials be unrefinable? Why would something that could be held in a drone bay or deployed out of said bay into space not be able to be placed in your items bay? There are no logical reasons behind these "balancing factors" of yours. On the other hand: Cheers, this thread was hilarious. Bye now!

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