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A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 31	Posted - 2016.12.16 23:59:08 - [1] - Quote What I suggest is for Destroyer or a Cruiser with signature radius around 80 or 100 being able to use fixed on frame Capital size weapons
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5054	Posted - 2016.12.17 00:04:48 - [2] - Quote Why?
Kolinthia Lincoln Apogee Industries The Dominion Alliance 11	Posted - 2016.12.17 00:11:20 - [3] - Quote Lol wat? Edit: Also iirc capital weapons are about the size of destroyers and cruisers.
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 31	Posted - 2016.12.17 00:33:29 - [4] - Quote Rock-paper-scissors I think you enjoy it for to long that Nyx Danika is about time to let go If ships came in to play like this in to capital fleets then you will need light support from medium great weapons
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 2929	Posted - 2016.12.17 00:57:04 - [5] - Quote You're posting on the wrong alt, Dryson. "Help, I'm bored with missions!" http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5054	Posted - 2016.12.17 01:11:50 - [6] - Quote A8ina wrote: Rock-paper-scissors I think you enjoy it for to long that Nyx Danika is about time to let go If ships came in to play like this in to capital fleets then you will need light support from medium great weapons But you already need a support fleet? What kind of DPS are you expecting from one unsieged capital gun, how much should these ships cost, what role do you see them actually filling, and why do you think that they'd be a good addition to the game?
elitatwo Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance 1526	Posted - 2016.12.17 01:37:42 - [7] - Quote We have a thing just for your liking, it's called Titan. Kills all capitals. /thread Eve Minions is recruiting. This is the law of ship progression! Aura sound-clips: Aura forever
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 31	Posted - 2016.12.17 16:38:20 - [8] - Quote Most likely twin guns mainly you build the Ship on the guns and have special equipment when is active to provide 400%DPS and ship stability when firing weapons and speed reduction to X% since power is diverted to stabilizing thrusters. The DPS it should be almost similar to Dreadnought so it gets the attention of Capitol only fleets Something close to this Ship
Lugh Crow-Slave 3417	Posted - 2016.12.17 16:51:48 - [9] - Quote A8ina wrote: Rock-paper-scissors I think you enjoy it for to long that Nyx Danika is about time to let go If ships came in to play like this in to capital fleets then you will need light support from medium great weapons how long exactly do you think capitals survive right now w/o a support fleet? BLOPS Hauler
AlexHalstead Viziam Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2016.12.17 16:56:30 - [10] - Quote Meh I rather see a different ship that's built around a single capital weapon for cheap seige that only get a range boost (and no other bonuses to said weapon)when deployed and immobile but let it shoot just outside a citadel's fixed defense modules' range than what you proposed. XD

Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5056	Posted - 2016.12.17 17:49:17 - [11] - Quote A8ina wrote: Most likely twin guns mainly you build the Ship on the guns and have special equipment when is active to provide 400%DPS and ship stability when firing weapons and speed reduction to X% since power is diverted to stabilizing thrusters. The DPS it should be almost similar to Dreadnought so it gets the attention of Capitol only fleets Something close to this Ship So why, exactly, would anyone ever undock a dreadnaught again if they had access to cruisers with near equivalent DPS? I mean, if I have a choice between paying three billion and a year's training for 10,000 DPS out of a dread, or 500 million or less and ~three months training for 8000 out of a cruiser then I'm going to take the smaller, cheaper, faster and more manoeuvrable ship every time, aren't I.
Dior Ambraelle University of Caille Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.12.17 18:27:18 - [12] - Quote Destroyers or cruisers equipped with capital weapons would look ridiculous, and probably would be able to fire their weapons twice before they get destroyed. However I can imagine a battleship equipped with 2 capital guns, similar to the Oracle for example. Let's call them "Siege Battleships". T2 hulls with damage bonus and some tracking reduction, so they won't really hit anything that moves faster than a capital ship. Their main use would be to destroy hi-sec citadels easier - we start to have a bit too many of them anyways, especially around market hubs. If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it! But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
Julanna Egnald Del's Industrial Strip Mining 34	Posted - 2016.12.17 18:41:17 - [13] - Quote So a capital weapon on a ship that cannot be hit by a capital ship? Yeah, that sounds real balanced. And where would this tiny ship get the power? Have you seen the cap requirements for a capital weapon? I haven't, but I'd wager it's a fair bit more than a cruiser can provide
Gadget Helmsdottir Gadget's Workshop 572	Posted - 2016.12.17 19:08:04 - [14] - Quote Super weapons on frigates! Just like in every space Anime! No thanks... EvE isn't that type of game. --Gadget Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 31	Posted - 2016.12.17 19:15:43 - [15] - Quote The goal is to force fleets to diversify and welcome use of smaller ships and not only Capitals , this ships will be very slow when is using its weapon and very susceptible to attack by medium grade fire and it will have the targeting range of a Cruiser or Destroyer the ship's agility will take the place of tracking speed And it will not be a replacement for Capital Ships sense is so easily destroyed by sub Capital ships Mainly it will be a little thorn for Capital fleet Commanders.
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 31	Posted - 2016.12.17 19:18:21 - [16] - Quote Julanna Egnald wrote: So a capital weapon on a ship that cannot be hit by a capital ship? Yeah, that sounds real balanced. And where would this tiny ship get the power? Have you seen the cap requirements for a capital weapon? I haven't, but I'd wager it's a fair bit more than a cruiser can provide Look at T3 Battlecruiser
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5056	Posted - 2016.12.17 19:56:17 - [17] - Quote A8ina wrote: The goal is to force fleets to diversify and welcome use of smaller ships and not only Capitals , this ships will be very slow when is using its weapon and very susceptible to attack by medium grade fire and it will have the targeting range of a Cruiser or Destroyer the ship's agility will take the place of tracking speed And it will not be a replacement for Capital Ships sense is so easily destroyed by sub Capital ships Mainly it will be a little thorn for Capital fleet Commanders. They. Already. Require. Support. Fleets. Show me a BR of a fight involving more than ten people won by nothing but capital ships without support since the rebalance. If it can move at all with the guns on, it's better than a dread. It's cheaper, faster, does almost the DPS, much easier to train into, isn't immobile in siege, can use wormholes, bridges and even SMAs to move fleets around... The tracking speed = align time thing makes them utterly useless for anything other than structure bashes though, I'll give you that. (Other than smashing sieged dreads/triaged FAX/transformed rorquals I suppose.) But still leaves them much better than dreads for said structure bashes. The 'cruiser EHP means they don't obsolete caps at all!' thing is nonsense. If I can field six of them for every one dread, and this assumes they're T3 prices, not T1 or even T2, and they're so much easier to move, fly, and replace when they die, why do I even care if I lose five out of my six to take one dread? I still come out ISK positive.
Dior Ambraelle University of Caille Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.12.17 21:00:24 - [18] - Quote A8ina wrote: Julanna Egnald wrote: So a capital weapon on a ship that cannot be hit by a capital ship? Yeah, that sounds real balanced. And where would this tiny ship get the power? Have you seen the cap requirements for a capital weapon? I haven't, but I'd wager it's a fair bit more than a cruiser can provide Look at T3 Battlecruiser The Talos/Naga/Oracle/Tornado indeed have oversized weapons, but they already need 95% powergrid reduction to use them. Putting capital weapons on battleships would need the same bonus, capital weapons on cruisers would need about 99% reduction. And the attack BCs have very little tank compared to the other ships in their class, to balance their oversized weapons. A capital weapon on a destroyer would need about 99.99% reduction on it's powergrid, and probably would have the hull of a rookie ship. Not to mention that capital weapons are as big as a destroyer itself. A capital sized weapon platform would be better for anything really. If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it! But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
Dior Ambraelle University of Caille Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2016.12.17 21:03:44 - [19] - Quote Gadget Helmsdottir wrote: Super weapons on frigates! Just like in every space Anime! No thanks... EvE isn't that type of game. --Gadget There actually are frigates that can fit a few super weapons, for CCP and ISD members only. I had a few fits saved, but the new fitting window update erased them, so I can't check them anymore If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it! But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 31	Posted - 2016.12.17 23:24:16 - [20] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: A8ina wrote: The goal is to force fleets to diversify and welcome use of smaller ships and not only Capitals , this ships will be very slow when is using its weapon and very susceptible to attack by medium grade fire and it will have the targeting range of a Cruiser or Destroyer the ship's agility will take the place of tracking speed And it will not be a replacement for Capital Ships sense is so easily destroyed by sub Capital ships Mainly it will be a little thorn for Capital fleet Commanders. They. Already. Require. Support. Fleets. Show me a BR of a fight involving more than ten people won by nothing but capital ships without support since the rebalance. If it can move at all with the guns on, it's better than a dread. It's cheaper, faster, does almost the DPS, much easier to train into, isn't immobile in siege, can use wormholes, bridges and even SMAs to move fleets around... The tracking speed = align time thing makes them utterly useless for anything other than structure bashes though, I'll give you that. (Other than smashing sieged dreads/triaged FAX/transformed rorquals I suppose.) But still leaves them much better than dreads for said structure bashes. The 'cruiser EHP means they don't obsolete caps at all!' thing is nonsense. If I can field six of them for every one dread, and this assumes they're T3 prices, not T1 or even T2, and they're so much easier to move, fly, and replace when they die, why do I even care if I lose five out of my six to take one dread? I still come out ISK positive. There is a compromise in how you going to use your available pilots, am I going to go Cap-Destroyer heavily what happens if my opponent have Cruisers escorting his capitals then I lose all the pilots I invest in the fleet. Have you seen the trailer I was there

Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5057	Posted - 2016.12.18 00:23:38 - [21] - Quote ...Have you ever, and I mean EVER been anywhere near a capital ship or a large fight in general? Or been a member of a real group? if the other guy brings a big support fleet, the support fleet you were going to bring anyway can play with them while you use your cap destroyers to bash whatever structure you were going to drop dreads on, because dreads literally have no reason to exist with these things in the game. Capital fleets already bring support fleets. Every time. Without fail. or they die. Your suggestion does not change this. Your suggestion makes dreads obsolete. And losing a full fleet of cruisers is completely irrelevant. Losing a full fleet of caps hurts, but your cruisers are going to cost a tiny fraction of what a cap fleet costs. If they all die, who even cares?
Lugh Crow-Slave 3420	Posted - 2016.12.18 01:19:40 - [22] - Quote if you really want an Anti-capital small ship Bombers are your thing BLOPS Hauler
powdemonic Ellecon Moosearmy Moose Federation 3	Posted - 2016.12.18 09:45:02 - [23] - Quote how about a capital ship that can field 8 anti sub cap guns, but no siege mod, and can use capital mods and rigs but have about 200,000 hit points with maxed out tank? it is an idea that may or may not make sense but the idea from this post is a bit more of a on paper idea
Slayer Liberator Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 146	Posted - 2016.12.18 15:33:24 - [24] - Quote powdemonic Ellecon wrote: how about a capital ship that can field 8 anti sub cap guns, but no siege mod, and can use capital mods and rigs but have about 200,000 hit points with maxed out tank? it is an idea that may or may not make sense but the idea from this post is a bit more of a on paper idea By anti- subcap do you mean able to hit a frig or dessy or just able to hit a cruiser or battlecruiser?
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 32	Posted - 2016.12.18 17:05:28 - [25] - Quote I've been around some big and small fleet fights, I can say the small fleet attacks in foreign territory is the most fun , Big fleet operations with Battle ships and Capital ships is to slow and many times you get stood up when the other fleet decides not to take you on . +æ+++++++¦ If they get around 2000 to 3000 maX in DPS will not be that extreme , and this ship can be the poor man's Capital ship defense
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 32	Posted - 2016.12.18 17:15:37 - [26] - Quote powdemonic Ellecon wrote: how about a capital ship that can field 8 anti sub cap guns, but no siege mod, and can use capital mods and rigs but have about 200,000 hit points with maxed out tank? it is an idea that may or may not make sense but the idea from this post is a bit more of a on paper idea This idea is completely the opposite of what I'm trying to express here the goal is to diversify and give purpose to all ships in the fleet , if you are able to control the battlefield with only Capital ships then it won't be use for the rest and have no purpose in the game
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5058	Posted - 2016.12.18 18:19:49 - [27] - Quote A8ina wrote: I've been around some big and small fleet fights, I can say the small fleet attacks in foreign territory is the most fun , Big fleet operations with Battle ships and Capital ships is to slow and many times you get stood up when the other fleet decides not to take you on . +æ+++++++¦ If they get around 2000 to 3000 maX in DPS will not be that extreme , and this ship can be the poor man's Capital ship defense And why would I pay 3 billion for a dread when paying at most half that for three cruisers will do exactly the same job in a faster hull? Which is the point I have been asking you to answer all along. Why would anyone fly a dread if they can fly a cruiser to do the same job easier?
Dior Ambraelle University of Caille Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2016.12.18 19:08:48 - [28] - Quote powdemonic Ellecon wrote: how about a capital ship that can field 8 anti sub cap guns, but no siege mod, and can use capital mods and rigs but have about 200,000 hit points with maxed out tank? it is an idea that may or may not make sense but the idea from this post is a bit more of a on paper idea 8 anti sub cap guns and 200k HP? That seems like a battleship to me. Capital rigs would only make it more expensive, as each rig costs a ship, but it won't have different effect than a large rig would give. Also, using capital shield booster or armor repair modules would deplete the capacitor in 10 seconds. With cap usage reduction for these modules it would be an OP solo ship, giving it enough cap recharge to use them would also allow to use multiple large modules more efficiently. If you want an intelligent argument, please do, I'm up for it! But if you want a trolling contest, I will win it by simply not participating.
A8ina Cyber Naval Command Research and Development 32	Posted - 2016.12.18 20:27:03 - [29] - Quote Danika you're talking about a million + HP on a Dread of course and it's worth every ISK it can take a lots of punishment. The ship I am talking about when it has to use it's weapons it will be a sitting duck a flimsy Cruiser with targeting range around the 30k at optimal range Is more like strategic weapon , for example you have to knock out the Raider infrastructure and SAM to bring in the air force
Danika Princip GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 5059	Posted - 2016.12.18 20:32:23 - [30] - Quote In a cap fight, any dread used is probably going to die. If a titan looks at it, it's dead. if a super looks at it, it's dead. if it's called primary, it's dead. if it's shooting a citadel and eats a doomsday, it's dead. Why would I bother using my dread when I can use one of these things for a fraction of the price?



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