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JonnyRandom 13	Posted - 2011.12.25 22:49:00 - [1] - Quote I want to do lvl4 missions with two accounts at once. I'm wondering how feasible that would be to keep alt+tabbing back and forth, so thought of maybe getting a second monitor? My system is more than capable of running two clients at once, but I've never used two monitors before and wanna know how exactly would it work? Would I be able to seamlessly move my mouse from one eve client on monitor 1, to the other eve client on monitor 2?
Laboratory Rat Rainbow Dash Interceptor Squad 0	Posted - 2011.12.25 22:53:00 - [2] - Quote As long as your video card supports two monitors, you just plug in the 2nd one and set the windows display to stretch over two monitors. You need to then have each client in windowed mode. It's just like an extra big desktop spread over two monitors. A word of warning though, it starts with two accounts but that's never enough. I used to run 5.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.25 22:56:00 - [3] - Quote I run two accounts on a single 20 inch display (16:9) I simply change them to minimum 4:3 size and run two on the same display with no issues. However be aware tho. EVE likes to eat A GREAT deal of ram these days. I suggest two gigs of memory per client at full settings. Reducing settings greatly may help this. Video memory dosent seem too bad but if you get into any kind of situation where there is alot on both screens it will choke without a good gig or so vram.
Roh Voleto Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2011.12.25 22:58:00 - [4] - Quote First of all: You want two monitors anyway. After only a few days you'll start asking yourself how you made do with just one. As far as EVE is concerned: I simply play in windowed mode. This way you can switch between clients just like any other application.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:04:00 - [5] - Quote Roh Voleto wrote: First of all: You want two monitors anyway. After only a few days you'll start asking yourself how you made do with just one. As far as EVE is concerned: I simply play in windowed mode. This way you can switch between clients just like any other application. Lack of space on my desk. Also I like that my single display only uses 20 watts. My old display used closer to 100 and the electric bill was starting to reflect this. Now I have gotten used to this setup and the advantages for me are better than running two. However yes two is better in a classic sense. For my next PC build. Power efficiency will be king so I can recover enough to run two displays without guilt.
Darren Corley Echelon Munitions 7	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:06:00 - [6] - Quote Yes it can be done, and if you're using SLI it's actually easier than expected. You just set the second client to the second GPU and it will put itself on the second monitor. It won;t only use the second GPU, both will render both, it's just in game you can use fixed window and they will go to the appropriate screens. Now, it is far better to use 2 computers and a program like Synergy or Input Director. Just so much better, and no need to click back to each client to make it active and accept commands again.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:11:00 - [7] - Quote I don't know much about SLI but would it not be better to unlatch EVE in whatever profile SLI uses and use one GPU per client?
Darren Corley Echelon Munitions 7	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:14:00 - [8] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: I don't know much about SLI but would it not be better to unlatch EVE in whatever profile SLI uses and use one GPU per client? Theoretically, but it may not quite work as expected. You would need the second monitor connected to the second GPU, and select said second GPU in the second client. I've done this under Wine in Linux, but not in Windows. I just use 2 computers now.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:16:00 - [9] - Quote Darren Corley wrote: Endeavour Starfleet wrote: I don't know much about SLI but would it not be better to unlatch EVE in whatever profile SLI uses and use one GPU per client? Theoretically, but it may not quite work as expected. You would need the second monitor connected to the second GPU, and select said second GPU in the second client. I've done this under Wine in Linux, but not in Windows. I just use 2 computers now. I get it now! (Frak! Should have had a V8 forehead slap) If both are connected to the primary GPU I can see where doing this under SLI is far better. Does it scale properly tho? Edit: BTW 2 computers? Would hate to see your power bill if you don't have a solar collector or windwill outside your house.

CCP Stillman C C P C C P Alliance 135	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:25:00 - [10] - Quote Personally I will run up to 3 monitors across 3 screens(Powered by 2x HD 5770s). It's a lot easier with Nvidia cards in my personal experience(I run a GTX 275 at the office, runs 2-3 clients smooth as butter) across 2 screens. With ATI, you have to tweak the output adapter to get a good experience. Also, the others who pointed out that if you go with 2 monitors, you'll never look back. Especially for EVE. It makes multi-boxing so much of a smoother experience. If you don't plan to have more than 2 monitors, there's no need for SLI assuming you have a graphics card that's not terribly old. I'm not convinced you'll get any benefit from it, since EVE does run fairly well graphics-wise, as long as you're not in a big fleet fight! (Again, I'm just talking from personal experience. It's my own opinion ) Associate QA Tester for Team EVESec.

JonnyRandom 13	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:26:00 - [11] - Quote Darren Corley wrote: Yes it can be done, and if you're using SLI it's actually easier than expected. You just set the second client to the second GPU and it will put itself on the second monitor. It won;t only use the second GPU, both will render both, it's just in game you can use fixed window and they will go to the appropriate screens. Now, it is far better to use 2 computers and a program like Synergy or Input Director. Just so much better, and no need to click back to each client to make it active and accept commands again. Synergy? Input Director? What do those do?
Ptraci 3 R Corporation 257	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:30:00 - [12] - Quote I use 4 monitors and up to 6 EVE clients at a time. So long as you have decent graphics cards and plenty of system RAM you won't have any trouble using just the one mouse. Most graphics cards nowadays let you plug in at least 2 monitors per card, and most motherboards support more than one card thanks to SLI/Xfire. Just make sure your graphics cards are similar (like don't mix AMD and Nvidia on the same box) or you can run into driver issues.
JonnyRandom 13	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:30:00 - [13] - Quote CCP Stillman wrote: Personally I will run up to 3 monitors across 3 screens(Powered by 2x HD 5770s). You have three monitors on your desk? How do they fit? Do you have a photo?
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:35:00 - [14] - Quote JonnyRandom wrote: CCP Stillman wrote: Personally I will run up to 3 monitors across 3 screens(Powered by 2x HD 5770s). You have three monitors on your desk? How do they fit? Do you have a photo? If electrical power here was 3x cheaper I would run 3 displays myself. Likely the one center one per side slanted towards you. As that enhances immersion.
Tarkoauc School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 27	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:35:00 - [15] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: [quote=Roh Voleto] Also I like that my single display only uses 20 watts. My old display used closer to 100 and the electric bill was starting to reflect this. Really? The 80W difference is negligible from a power cost perspective. If you use your monitor for 8 hours a day and live in the US, the electricity cost difference is $2.44 @ 12.7 cent per KWh, if you live in the UK it would be 4.95 pounds... you recognize that in your power bill? If you keep it on for 24 hours, the difference is $7.31 or 14.86 pounds. Now you might recognize that difference in your power bill but the true source of your problem is not the power consumption of your monitor.
Vaako Horizon Casual Slackers Daily Operations 24	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:39:00 - [16] - Quote you dont need more then 1 graphics card, I run with 1x ati 4870 with 2x 22inch monitors... and thats with 4x clients :D Window mode on all clients and make 3 clients in the lowest possible resolution ( put them on the second monitor ) and then have your main account a little larger resolution on screen one. I have my fleet buffer, salvager, frigate annihilator on the lowest possbile graphics setting and then my tank on the highest possible just to have some nice affects somewhere :D
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:42:00 - [17] - Quote It is not that low but I will concede that I am far too picky about that. The recession knocked us back quite a bit and I have learned to be as power conscious as possible. Yet you must also factor in heat production. While it is winter and there is no difference. In the south and hot summers the extra wattage is involved as heat production. Because the new display is LED compared to the old which was tube light based. The money then to cool the room costs more than its production in the first place.
Darren Corley Echelon Munitions 7	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:42:00 - [18] - Quote JonnyRandom wrote: Darren Corley wrote: Yes it can be done, and if you're using SLI it's actually easier than expected. You just set the second client to the second GPU and it will put itself on the second monitor. It won;t only use the second GPU, both will render both, it's just in game you can use fixed window and they will go to the appropriate screens. Now, it is far better to use 2 computers and a program like Synergy or Input Director. Just so much better, and no need to click back to each client to make it active and accept commands again. Synergy? Input Director? What do those do? They're both Keyboard/Mouse switch software. You set up one computer as the master, and any others as clients. Only the Master needs a keyboard and mouse. Those two programs(there's others too) basically allow you to move the mouse offscreen to another computer, like multiple monitors, but with multiple computers. I normally run this character on my OP desktop on a 30" Dell, and my alt account is run @ 1920x1080 on my equally OP gaming desktop, and I use Synergy or Input Director to control both with one keyboard and mouse.
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:46:00 - [19] - Quote Darren Corley wrote: JonnyRandom wrote: Darren Corley wrote: Yes it can be done, and if you're using SLI it's actually easier than expected. You just set the second client to the second GPU and it will put itself on the second monitor. It won;t only use the second GPU, both will render both, it's just in game you can use fixed window and they will go to the appropriate screens. Now, it is far better to use 2 computers and a program like Synergy or Input Director. Just so much better, and no need to click back to each client to make it active and accept commands again. Synergy? Input Director? What do those do? They're both Keyboard/Mouse switch software. You set up one computer as the master, and any others as clients. Only the Master needs a keyboard and mouse. Those two programs(there's others too) basically allow you to move the mouse offscreen to another computer, like multiple monitors, but with multiple computers. I normally run this character on my OP desktop on a 30" Dell, and my alt account is run @ 1920x1080 on my equally OP gaming desknote, and I use Synergy or Input Director to control both with one keyboard and mouse. WIndows allows that? or do you have to trick windows by having the software make a ghost display?
Eternum Praetorian Club Bear 121	Posted - 2011.12.25 23:53:00 - [20] - Quote I have 2x screens and only a modest Video card. ... not to mention vista x64 Here is How You Make It Work 1. Both screens need to be at the same resolution (regardless of what type of screens you have) 2. You will probably get lag and low FPS on two screens if you don't have a great computer setup. 3. To reduce lag reduce the resolution of the actual EVE Client and run it in window mode 4. Expand said windows with your mouse until they are the size of your screen 5. DO NOT double click on the game to make it stick to the full size of the screen (this will cause lag with lesser video cards) It can be the same size as your screen, you just can "sticky it", don't ask me why. So make sure that you resize it with your mouse. If That Does Not Give you Good FPS Run one client in max settings and run the other in "performance" mode. One screen will be pretty and the other will be old school. That tends to allow me to dual box clients in the Jita lag even with my sub par 2009 computer rig. My 2X Box Lv 4 Mission Experience Way back when, before incursions... I dual boxed two nightmares into Amarr Lv 4's. Man did I eve burn through them fast. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
JonnyRandom 13	Posted - 2011.12.26 00:06:00 - [21] - Quote You say I'll need to have both monitors run the same resolution? That could be a problem... my current monitor only supports 1680x1050
Endeavour Starfleet Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 57	Posted - 2011.12.26 00:11:00 - [22] - Quote I thought it was clients need to be similar for best performance. Different display size is just annoying when you move your mouse back and forth.
Theodemir Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem 12	Posted - 2011.12.26 00:21:00 - [23] - Quote ATI 6870 + two monitors (19201080 \|\| 16801050) runs two eve clients nicely with high detail and low AA in window mode for each (interchange effortlessly). However I don't have walk in station view as it takes a while to load both. Been doing this for the better part of a year so it's definitely doable and others above have said you'll want to use more! I've got three currently
Darren Corley Echelon Munitions 7	Posted - 2011.12.26 00:22:00 - [24] - Quote Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Darren Corley wrote: JonnyRandom wrote: Darren Corley wrote: Yes it can be done, and if you're using SLI it's actually easier than expected. You just set the second client to the second GPU and it will put itself on the second monitor. It won;t only use the second GPU, both will render both, it's just in game you can use fixed window and they will go to the appropriate screens. Now, it is far better to use 2 computers and a program like Synergy or Input Director. Just so much better, and no need to click back to each client to make it active and accept commands again. Synergy? Input Director? What do those do? They're both Keyboard/Mouse switch software. You set up one computer as the master, and any others as clients. Only the Master needs a keyboard and mouse. Those two programs(there's others too) basically allow you to move the mouse offscreen to another computer, like multiple monitors, but with multiple computers. I normally run this character on my OP desktop on a 30" Dell, and my alt account is run @ 1920x1080 on my equally OP gaming desknote, and I use Synergy or Input Director to control both with one keyboard and mouse. WIndows allows that? or do you have to trick windows by having the software make a ghost display? Windows has allowed remote control software for practically forever. This is almost the same thing really. It just transmits the mouse movements and key presses over the network. In fact, I normally control 3 computers with it, not just two.
Hauling Hal The Black Ops 33	Posted - 2011.12.26 00:41:00 - [25] - Quote I used to run 2 clients at different resolutions, by having 2 seperate Eve installations.
JonnyRandom 13	Posted - 2011.12.26 01:20:00 - [26] - Quote To those of you that have multiple monitors on your desk, how do you set them up? I don't have enough room for two monitors side by side, so I went looking for a vertical stand to put them one on top the other... and the only one I found is at $250 which is more than the monitor itself!
K Suri Red Gooey Bananas 97	Posted - 2011.12.26 01:42:00 - [27] - Quote JonnyRandom wrote: I want to do lvl4 missions with two accounts at once. I'm wondering how feasible that would be to keep alt+tabbing back and forth, so thought of maybe getting a second monitor? My system is more than capable of running two clients at once, but I've never used two monitors before and wanna know how exactly would it work? Would I be able to seamlessly move my mouse from one eve client on monitor 1, to the other eve client on monitor 2? I use 2 fairly old GT 8600 cards with a monitor on each. I run 4 accounts with options turned down on an old AMD 64 dual core with no probs. fps >= 35 on each. Screens are only 19" and res is only 1024 x 768 though. Easy mission rig with 3 x dps and a salvager. EDIT: Monitors will sit side by side on most "standard" computer desks or hang 'em on yer wall. You are talking LCD yeah :)
Darren Corley Echelon Munitions 7	Posted - 2011.12.26 02:58:00 - [28] - Quote JonnyRandom wrote: To those of you that have multiple monitors on your desk, how do you set them up? I don't have enough room for two monitors side by side, so I went looking for a vertical stand to put them one on top the other... and the only one I found is at $250 which is more than the monitor itself! Try looking at monoprice.com And this is how I fit them on mine: My Desk
Flakey Foont Republic University Minmatar Republic 20	Posted - 2011.12.26 03:13:00 - [29] - Quote JonnyRandom wrote: To those of you that have multiple monitors on your desk, how do you set them up? I don't have enough room for two monitors side by side, so I went looking for a vertical stand to put them one on top the other... and the only one I found is at $250 which is more than the monitor itself! I use this: Dual Monitor Mount You can arrange the screens most any way you might wish,
Saskieo Ka Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.12.26 04:31:00 - [30] - Quote This is what everyone should dream/work towards :> http://76.74.159.78/P3140543.jpg Personally I use two, a 19 and 22" and they easily fit on my desk. I've had dual since before Eve came out. I plan on soon running 2x 25" and someday 3. Can't wait for Taxmas!

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