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Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.26 05:40:00 -
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Was just going to post about this:
I currently have a machine that is unable to run EVE on multiple screens - the minute I drag the game onto the second screen, the FPS drops significantly to a point where you are like a fast paced slide show. It also happens when I launch the second account onto the second screen. According to the GM's or Tech GM's they said it was Windows XP being unable to support the ability to run across both screens. One is a 22" and the other a 24". I tried running the game at the same resolution on both screens and different resolutions, and finally tried running the game across both screens using their different max resolutions, and then the max resolution for the smaller screen - none of the above worked.
Current specs are: Core 2 Duo 1.8Ghz 4GB RAM (3.25 useable due to XP 32bit). Nvidia 560ti (DDR5 - 1GB)
Not sure what the issue is, the graphics card is more than capable of handing the instances of EVE. Has EVE become more CPU demanding rather than GPU? The ram is low I know, but it should be able to handle it (I can dual boot no problem, triple boxing starts to run into issues)
I plan on upgrading this PC:
Intel i7-2700k at 3.5Ghz - Turboboost up to 3.9Ghz 16GB DDR3 Ram Nvidia 560ti (DDR5 - 1GB) - Same graphics card from old computer
The intel motherboard that comes with the CPU has 1 PCI-E 16.0 slot or I can set it to run 2 PCI-E 8.0 slots in SLI. My question is - whats better?
1 560ti at 16.0 or 2 at 8.0 (I'm fuzzy in that area whats the difference between 16.0 and 8.0)?
Or would it just be best to stick with one card, but find something better than the 560ti?
I want to be able to run 2 instances on 2 separate screens at the same time, and be able to switch back and fourth while using both of them.
I also want to be able to dual box a third account on one of the screens.
Any help is appreciated. |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 05:55:00 -
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Sassums wrote:Was just going to post about this:
I currently have a machine that is unable to run EVE on multiple screens - the minute I drag the game onto the second screen, the FPS drops significantly to a point where you are like a fast paced slide show. It also happens when I launch the second account onto the second screen. According to the GM's or Tech GM's they said it was Windows XP being unable to support the ability to run across both screens. One is a 22" and the other a 24". I tried running the game at the same resolution on both screens and different resolutions, and finally tried running the game across both screens using their different max resolutions, and then the max resolution for the smaller screen - none of the above worked.
Current specs are: Core 2 Duo 1.8Ghz 4GB RAM (3.25 useable due to XP 32bit). Nvidia 560ti (DDR5 - 1GB)
Not sure what the issue is, the graphics card is more than capable of handing the instances of EVE. Has EVE become more CPU demanding rather than GPU? The ram is low I know, but it should be able to handle it (I can dual boot no problem, triple boxing starts to run into issues)
I plan on upgrading this PC:
Intel i7-2700k at 3.5Ghz - Turboboost up to 3.9Ghz 16GB DDR3 Ram Nvidia 560ti (DDR5 - 1GB) - Same graphics card from old computer
The intel motherboard that comes with the CPU has 1 PCI-E 16.0 slot or I can set it to run 2 PCI-E 8.0 slots in SLI. My question is - whats better?
1 560ti at 16.0 or 2 at 8.0 (I'm fuzzy in that area whats the difference between 16.0 and 8.0)?
Or would it just be best to stick with one card, but find something better than the 560ti?
I want to be able to run 2 instances on 2 separate screens at the same time, and be able to switch back and fourth while using both of them.
I also want to be able to dual box a third account on one of the screens.
Any help is appreciated.
Honestly? If that machine is just for gaming, the i7 is a waste of money, as is going past 8GB of RAM.
About your issue, I can't say honestly. I haven't used XP in years. Not on my systems anyways. |

DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
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Posted - 2011.12.26 06:06:00 -
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I run two 23" Samsung monitors out of one GTX 560. 2 clients, one set to left display, the other to the right, both on fixed window setting. You seamlessly move from one client to the other without any alt-tabbing/minimizing etc. Once you have two screens you won't go back. Very little technical know how required as everything is pretty much plug & play. Damn nature, you scary! |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 06:12:00 -
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You dont need 16GB 8 is fine for 3 accounts.
i7 is overkill. That is a very nice turbo but you can get away with a good high end i5 and save a little. The extra oomph EVE wont be using for years and by then the i7 will be obsolete compared to 22nm models.
I run two clients on an ATI 4770 (4850 equivalent) if I run both at full res it will choke some but not terrible. And that is mainly due to the 512mb of ram when 1GB is needed. Running 3 with that monster of a card and a good i5 and 8gb of ram ought to be easy in my opinion. No need for SLI |

TheButcherPete
Titan Inc. Bloodbound.
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Posted - 2011.12.26 06:14:00 -
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Two monitors is a good idea, I run two 20". However, make sure the monitors are the same size and resolution, if not you risk headaches.
Also make sure your video card can handle two screens, aswell as two clients in the heat of battle, I know this used to cook my little 9800GT. If you have a 9800GT and below, be aware that they do run hot, and this is normal, even temps as high as 100 degrees centigrade, though if it gets that high, you need to change something.
Personally, I'd shop on eBay or someplace and get a GT series, 460GTX can more than handle 2 clients. I normally play with three and have no issues.
-Pete /me snugglehump you long time GÖÑ
~ I AM PETEBBA |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 06:22:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:You dont need 16GB 8 is fine for 3 accounts.
i7 is overkill. That is a very nice turbo but you can get away with a good high end i5 and save a little. The extra oomph EVE wont be using for years and by then the i7 will be obsolete compared to 22nm models.
I run two clients on an ATI 4770 (4850 equivalent) if I run both at full res it will choke some but not terrible. And that is mainly due to the 512mb of ram when 1GB is needed. Running 3 with that monster of a card and a good i5 and 8gb of ram ought to be easy in my opinion. No need for SLI
More like the only oomph the i7 has over an i5 is really just HyperThreading. And even if a game could use more than 4 cores it would be a bad idea to let it use HT cores. So there's really no point to it unless you use the computer for things beyond games, like I use my 12 Core machine for. |

DelBoy Trades
Enslave. GIANTSBANE.
90
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Posted - 2011.12.26 06:49:00 -
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One of my monitors is 1680x1050, the other 1920x1080, no problem. Just copy your eve client so you have 2 with different resolutions, call one "right" and one "left". Damn nature, you scary! |

Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:14:00 -
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I do. Once you go dual monitor, you can't go back, ever. Believe me, it's like a bad drug.
Ps, this is mine: http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6112/251220110071.jpg Need Researched BPO's? Be it drones, ammo, charges, you name it, visit my forum store now! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524 |

Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:14:00 -
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Between getting two monitors or one larger screen I went with the latter. I now have a 27" (2560x1440) and occasionally run two clients side by side. With a a 30" monitor (2560x1600) you could run 4 clients at once side by side @ 1280x768. |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:15:00 -
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Dude, gief that room. Would work well with the 2 ovens I have that go by the name of computers. |
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:50:00 -
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JonnyRandom wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Personally I will run up to 3 monitors across 3 screens(Powered by 2x HD 5770s).
You have three monitors on your desk? How do they fit? Do you have a photo? Yep. 2x 24" and a 22". I have a double-sided ala. what Riley Moore in this thread has.
I've got a 2 year or so old photo. Since then, I relocated to Iceland and had to drop one of the 22" monitors. Otherwise, same setup for all intents and purposes.
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:51:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Dude, gief that room. Would work well with the 2 ovens I have that go by the name of computers. As you might imagine, during the cold Icelandic winters, I really appreciate how well those bastards heat up the room. I rarely have to turn up the heat at all. Only when I haven't played any games during the evening, basically  Associate QA Tester for Team EVESec. |
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:56:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:You dont need 16GB 8 is fine for 3 accounts.
i7 is overkill. That is a very nice turbo but you can get away with a good high end i5 and save a little. The extra oomph EVE wont be using for years and by then the i7 will be obsolete compared to 22nm models.
I run two clients on an ATI 4770 (4850 equivalent) if I run both at full res it will choke some but not terrible. And that is mainly due to the 512mb of ram when 1GB is needed. Running 3 with that monster of a card and a good i5 and 8gb of ram ought to be easy in my opinion. No need for SLI I've also been fine with 8GB RAM for multi-boxing for a long while. The only reason I've considered upping that lately, is because I've got a bad habbit of leaving virtual machines running when not using them. Otherwise, 8GB is good.
But if you have 4/6 slots on your mobo(Dual vs triple-channel), I'd at minimum go for 2x 4gb or 3x 4gb. I was stupid enough to buy 4x2gb sticks for my machine. And now that I'm looking to upgrade, it's a headache having to replace sticks. Associate QA Tester for Team EVESec. |
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Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 09:58:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Dude, gief that room. Would work well with the 2 ovens I have that go by the name of computers. As you might imagine, during the cold Icelandic winters, I really appreciate how well those bastards heat up the room. I rarely have to turn up the heat at all. Only when I haven't played any games during the evening, basically 
It doesn't get quite as cold here, -18C is the lowest i've seen. But if I was playing EVE on both, I'd want to open the window. |

Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:07:00 -
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While the 16GB might be over kill - the cost difference between 8 and 16 is just so small - best to do it right. The board can support up to 32GB of Ram, but it jumps the price from $70-90(for 16) to over $300 for 32.
I am getting the Intel Core i7-2700k and the Intel DP67BGB3 board for $250.
Another $100 for RAM
And another 50-75 for CD/DVD Drives since my old ones won't work anymore and I am set. |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:10:00 -
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Sassums wrote:While the 16GB might be over kill - the cost difference between 8 and 16 is just so small - best to do it right. The board can support up to 32GB of Ram, but it jumps the price from $70-90(for 16) to over $300 for 32.
I am getting the Intel Core i7-2700k and the Intel DP67BGB3 board for $250.
Another $100 for RAM
And another 50-75 for CD/DVD Drives since my old ones won't work anymore and I am set.
It's still your money in any case, but if you only really game on it, the i7 will be wasted. And with the RAM, unless it's 2 sticks of 8GB, i'd still go with 2x4. It's why I went with 2 sets of 2GBx3 for my desktop instead of 4 sets. 12GB is plenty, no need for the 24. Or higher for that matter. |

Theia Roden
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:11:00 -
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My setup consists of 24" (1920x1200) and 19" (1280x1024) Samsungs with one card, GTX470. Instead of streching same Windows on both, I use a program called UltraMon. It allows you to have separate resolutions, desktops, wallpapers and screensavers, and to determine which monitor an application will use. Very handy in dual-boxing.
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:13:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:While the 16GB might be over kill - the cost difference between 8 and 16 is just so small - best to do it right. The board can support up to 32GB of Ram, but it jumps the price from $70-90(for 16) to over $300 for 32.
I am getting the Intel Core i7-2700k and the Intel DP67BGB3 board for $250.
Another $100 for RAM
And another 50-75 for CD/DVD Drives since my old ones won't work anymore and I am set. It's still your money in any case, but if you only really game on it, the i7 will be wasted. And with the RAM, unless it's 2 sticks of 8GB, i'd still go with 2x4. Can you actually get 8GB sticks? I've not been able to track down any non-ECC ones. And I've never found any in Iceland nor Denmark. Associate QA Tester for Team EVESec. |
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Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:15:00 -
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Here in the states you can.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007611+600006072&QksAutoSuggestion=&ShowDeactivatedMark=False&Configurator=&IsNodeId=1&Subcategory=147&description=&hisInDesc=&Ntk=&CFG=&SpeTabStoreType=&AdvancedSearch=1&srchInDesc= |

Jerera
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:16:00 -
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http://uppix.net/8/e/7/3ef2347bf8dc4e9600472fd1cac4b.jpg
GNU/Linux with xmonad (xinerama). Everything works fine. |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:16:00 -
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On my Desktop I'd have to use 4GB sticks to hit 48GB, anything more, like the 192 max i'd have to use ECC. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:36:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:While the 16GB might be over kill - the cost difference between 8 and 16 is just so small - best to do it right. The board can support up to 32GB of Ram, but it jumps the price from $70-90(for 16) to over $300 for 32.
I am getting the Intel Core i7-2700k and the Intel DP67BGB3 board for $250.
Another $100 for RAM
And another 50-75 for CD/DVD Drives since my old ones won't work anymore and I am set. It's still your money in any case, but if you only really game on it, the i7 will be wasted. And with the RAM, unless it's 2 sticks of 8GB, i'd still go with 2x4. Can you actually get 8GB sticks? I've not been able to track down any non-ECC ones. And I've never found any in Iceland nor Denmark.
Maybe ask CCP Atlanta? Or maybe someone can sell you some at fanfest?
As for ram. Generally it is by far best to get the biggest Ram sticks to meet the min requirements for dual or triple channel (2-3) And leave the rest open to buy the same sticks later.
16 tho is just insanely overkill. Just this year has 4gb become a moderate bottleneck and that requires you to have your browser and multiple games running at the same time. before that 1gb had been good for years.
With the cost of game development skyrocketing I just don't see 8gb being a bottleneck for years. As in by the time it does your entire system will be a dinosaur. |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:38:00 -
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You typically do 2 sticks instead of 4, or 3 instead of 6, to avoid stressing the IMC. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:41:00 -
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I am not really worried about stressing the memory controller. Most of the time it is built into the CPU and has the same amount of ruggedness the rest of the system has anyway.
It is just that if you went all out with all them filled off the bat you leave no room for upgrading later. Some do this so they can upgrade their HTPC memory with the old later on but not everyone has an HTPC to use the old stuff. |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:43:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am not really worried about stressing the memory controller. Most of the time it is built into the CPU and has the same amount of ruggedness the rest of the system has anyway.
It is just that if you went all out with all them filled off the bat you leave no room for upgrading later. Some do this so they can upgrade their HTPC memory with the old later on but not everyone has an HTPC to use the old stuff.
It's mainly due to the fact that with all slots filled, it's NOT as rugged as the rest of the CPU.
Especially if the system is for games and such, and you like to overclock. Or using high frequency RAM. |

Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:52:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:While the 16GB might be over kill - the cost difference between 8 and 16 is just so small - best to do it right. The board can support up to 32GB of Ram, but it jumps the price from $70-90(for 16) to over $300 for 32.
I am getting the Intel Core i7-2700k and the Intel DP67BGB3 board for $250.
Another $100 for RAM
And another 50-75 for CD/DVD Drives since my old ones won't work anymore and I am set. It's still your money in any case, but if you only really game on it, the i7 will be wasted. And with the RAM, unless it's 2 sticks of 8GB, i'd still go with 2x4. It's why I went with 2 sets of 2GBx3 for my desktop instead of 4 sets. 12GB is plenty, no need for the 24. Or higher for that matter.
I am only spending $250 on a $350 CPU and a $180 Board. It would make no sense for me to instead buy a $180board and $180 CPU for an I5 - i'd be spending more money.
I am already taking a step down as I started looking at 32gb of ram instead of the 16. But for $90 or so its not a bad deal at all. Plus I don't plan on upgrading for a while.
This current PC lasted 7 or so years I think, I'd like the new one to do the same. The only thing that will stay the same in this new unit is the case, the power supply and the HDD.
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Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:53:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am not really worried about stressing the memory controller. Most of the time it is built into the CPU and has the same amount of ruggedness the rest of the system has anyway.
It is just that if you went all out with all them filled off the bat you leave no room for upgrading later. Some do this so they can upgrade their HTPC memory with the old later on but not everyone has an HTPC to use the old stuff. It's mainly due to the fact that with all slots filled, it's NOT as rugged as the rest of the CPU. Especially if the system is for games and such, and you like to overclock. Or using high frequency RAM.
Not overclocking, 3.5 is more than enough.
This is the memory I am looking at:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441&Tpk=F3-10666CL9Q-16GBXL
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Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 10:57:00 -
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Sassums wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am not really worried about stressing the memory controller. Most of the time it is built into the CPU and has the same amount of ruggedness the rest of the system has anyway.
It is just that if you went all out with all them filled off the bat you leave no room for upgrading later. Some do this so they can upgrade their HTPC memory with the old later on but not everyone has an HTPC to use the old stuff. It's mainly due to the fact that with all slots filled, it's NOT as rugged as the rest of the CPU. Especially if the system is for games and such, and you like to overclock. Or using high frequency RAM. Not overclocking, 3.5 is more than enough. This is the memory I am looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441&Tpk=F3-10666CL9Q-16GBXL
Considering there are games out there that even 3.5Ghz on Sandy Bridge is not enough.... But who knows if you'll ever play them. That and you don't have to use OC'd RAM to OC SB anyways. |

Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:00:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am not really worried about stressing the memory controller. Most of the time it is built into the CPU and has the same amount of ruggedness the rest of the system has anyway.
It is just that if you went all out with all them filled off the bat you leave no room for upgrading later. Some do this so they can upgrade their HTPC memory with the old later on but not everyone has an HTPC to use the old stuff. It's mainly due to the fact that with all slots filled, it's NOT as rugged as the rest of the CPU. Especially if the system is for games and such, and you like to overclock. Or using high frequency RAM. Not overclocking, 3.5 is more than enough. This is the memory I am looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441&Tpk=F3-10666CL9Q-16GBXL Considering there are games out there that even 3.5Ghz on Sandy Bridge is not enough.... But who knows if you'll ever play them. That and you don't have to use OC'd RAM to OC SB anyways.
Seriously?
Well the CPU can turbo up to like 3.9 I think. All I am playing is EVE - will try out TOR eventually.
I have a 360 for everything else :)
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Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:03:00 -
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Sassums wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am not really worried about stressing the memory controller. Most of the time it is built into the CPU and has the same amount of ruggedness the rest of the system has anyway.
It is just that if you went all out with all them filled off the bat you leave no room for upgrading later. Some do this so they can upgrade their HTPC memory with the old later on but not everyone has an HTPC to use the old stuff. It's mainly due to the fact that with all slots filled, it's NOT as rugged as the rest of the CPU. Especially if the system is for games and such, and you like to overclock. Or using high frequency RAM. Not overclocking, 3.5 is more than enough. This is the memory I am looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441&Tpk=F3-10666CL9Q-16GBXL Considering there are games out there that even 3.5Ghz on Sandy Bridge is not enough.... But who knows if you'll ever play them. That and you don't have to use OC'd RAM to OC SB anyways. Seriously? Well the CPU can turbo up to like 3.9 I think. All I am playing is EVE - will try out TOR eventually. I have a 360 for everything else :)
Yeah there are games out there where people still see performance gains pushing it all the way to 4.8Ghz or so. |
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