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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:03:00 -
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Edit: Nm I guess that means 4 sticks not actually quad channel considering they mention Phenom II X6
BTW what on earth do you need such an expensive mobo for anyway? |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:06:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:That memory says it is a quad channel kit.
I dont know much about memory past dual channel but that looks a bit off as the board you are looking at says dual channel. I don't really know if that affects anything but do make sure before hitting buy.
BTW what on earth do you need such an expensive mobo for anyway?
That motherboard is cheap. And quad channel is for the new chipset and extreme chips coming out. Since it's 4 sticks of the same stuff, it will work as dual channel too. |

DrStone
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:06:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:While the 16GB might be over kill - the cost difference between 8 and 16 is just so small - best to do it right. The board can support up to 32GB of Ram, but it jumps the price from $70-90(for 16) to over $300 for 32.
I am getting the Intel Core i7-2700k and the Intel DP67BGB3 board for $250.
Another $100 for RAM
And another 50-75 for CD/DVD Drives since my old ones won't work anymore and I am set. It's still your money in any case, but if you only really game on it, the i7 will be wasted. And with the RAM, unless it's 2 sticks of 8GB, i'd still go with 2x4. Can you actually get 8GB sticks? I've not been able to track down any non-ECC ones. And I've never found any in Iceland nor Denmark.
you can in UK as well.
http://www.lambda-tek.com/F3-10666CL9S-8GBXL-gskill-8GB-DDR3-1333-CL9-0-RIPJAWS-X-RED-RET~cs/B747100
there are in stock after xmas
also I'm using same installation of EVE for playing on up to 10 clients per machine..small ssd 8gb ram quad phenom..some 5850 gpu.... |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:08:00 -
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Sassums wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am not really worried about stressing the memory controller. Most of the time it is built into the CPU and has the same amount of ruggedness the rest of the system has anyway.
It is just that if you went all out with all them filled off the bat you leave no room for upgrading later. Some do this so they can upgrade their HTPC memory with the old later on but not everyone has an HTPC to use the old stuff. It's mainly due to the fact that with all slots filled, it's NOT as rugged as the rest of the CPU. Especially if the system is for games and such, and you like to overclock. Or using high frequency RAM. Not overclocking, 3.5 is more than enough. This is the memory I am looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231441&Tpk=F3-10666CL9Q-16GBXL Considering there are games out there that even 3.5Ghz on Sandy Bridge is not enough.... But who knows if you'll ever play them. That and you don't have to use OC'd RAM to OC SB anyways. Seriously? Well the CPU can turbo up to like 3.9 I think. All I am playing is EVE - will try out TOR eventually. I have a 360 for everything else :)
TOR hates my GPU (its 512mb of fail) but CPU seems to be ok. I don't think you will have much to worry about with TOR.
I still think the i7 is overkill tho. If you are serious about spending those funds perhaps wait for ivy bridge with its 22nm 3D process? |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:12:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:That memory says it is a quad channel kit.
I dont know much about memory past dual channel but that looks a bit off as the board you are looking at says dual channel. I don't really know if that affects anything but do make sure before hitting buy.
BTW what on earth do you need such an expensive mobo for anyway? That motherboard is cheap. And quad channel is for the new chipset and extreme chips coming out. Since it's 4 sticks of the same stuff, it will work as dual channel too.
Compared to what? What on it warrants such a spending of funds? |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
7
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:14:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:That memory says it is a quad channel kit.
I dont know much about memory past dual channel but that looks a bit off as the board you are looking at says dual channel. I don't really know if that affects anything but do make sure before hitting buy.
BTW what on earth do you need such an expensive mobo for anyway? That motherboard is cheap. And quad channel is for the new chipset and extreme chips coming out. Since it's 4 sticks of the same stuff, it will work as dual channel too. Compared to what? What on it warrants such a spending of funds?
Compared to the board i'm using for sure, and many other high end enthusiast boards.
This is the one I have: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188070 |

DrStone
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:18:00 -
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nice... :) |

DrStone
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:19:00 -
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also...I did a test and was able to run and tab between 35 eve clients on 16Gb ...but again thats bit overkill |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:24:00 -
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Yes now it is no wonder you found 184 USD to be cheap.
I really REALLY do not want to see your power bill. It would make baby al gore cry....
I know in the real world you have to pay a bit of a premium on Intel hardware compared to AMD. Yet I seriously find it difficult to justify 184 just to gain access to a 2x 16 PCIe slot layout.
Then again sassums did say he is getting one hell of a discount. I can't argue with that.
What GPU are you getting btw? AMDs 7x series is about to launch. And it features one hell of a power system that idles at less than 10W |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:25:00 -
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DrStone wrote:also...I did a test and was able to run and tab between 35 eve clients on 16Gb ...but again thats bit overkill
At the login screen? Otherwise do you seriously have 35 Eve accounts? (And not bot for that matter? j/k ) |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:28:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes now it is no wonder you found 184 USD to be cheap.
I really REALLY do not want to see your power bill. It would make baby al gore cry....
I know in the real world you have to pay a bit of a premium on Intel hardware compared to AMD. Yet I seriously find it difficult to justify 184 just to gain access to a 2x 16 PCIe slot layout.
Then again sassums did say he is getting one hell of a discount. I can't argue with that.
What GPU are you getting btw? AMDs 7x series is about to launch. And it features one hell of a power system that idles at less than 10W
The power bill is only bad when I actually push the thing. If I leave it at stock 3.33Ghz with Power Saving crud on, the X5680s and the 2x 5970s don't actually pull a whole lot. The bigger problem is that it has two PSUs, and I need two separate circuits for it, or at least a 15A that it can use exclusively. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:32:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes now it is no wonder you found 184 USD to be cheap.
I really REALLY do not want to see your power bill. It would make baby al gore cry....
I know in the real world you have to pay a bit of a premium on Intel hardware compared to AMD. Yet I seriously find it difficult to justify 184 just to gain access to a 2x 16 PCIe slot layout.
Then again sassums did say he is getting one hell of a discount. I can't argue with that.
What GPU are you getting btw? AMDs 7x series is about to launch. And it features one hell of a power system that idles at less than 10W The power bill is only bad when I actually push the thing. If I leave it at stock 3.33Ghz with Power Saving crud on, the X5680s and the 2x 5970s don't actually pull a whole lot. The bigger problem is that it has two PSUs, and I need two separate circuits for it, or at least a 15A that it can use exclusively.
So if you plug in a killawatt meter it displays "Yer fraked next bill" Or "The heater says day' took er JOBS!!!" Got it! 
Two PSUs... Dear pete.... 
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Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
7
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:33:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Darren Corley wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes now it is no wonder you found 184 USD to be cheap.
I really REALLY do not want to see your power bill. It would make baby al gore cry....
I know in the real world you have to pay a bit of a premium on Intel hardware compared to AMD. Yet I seriously find it difficult to justify 184 just to gain access to a 2x 16 PCIe slot layout.
Then again sassums did say he is getting one hell of a discount. I can't argue with that.
What GPU are you getting btw? AMDs 7x series is about to launch. And it features one hell of a power system that idles at less than 10W The power bill is only bad when I actually push the thing. If I leave it at stock 3.33Ghz with Power Saving crud on, the X5680s and the 2x 5970s don't actually pull a whole lot. The bigger problem is that it has two PSUs, and I need two separate circuits for it, or at least a 15A that it can use exclusively. So if you plug in a killawatt meter it displays "Yer fraked next bill" Or "The heater says day' took er JOBS!!!" Got it!  Two PSUs... Dear pete.... 
Yeah, a 1200W for the motherboard and video cards. Then a 750W for everything else, like drives, 15 fans, etc. That second one barely gets used though. |

DrStone
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:34:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:DrStone wrote:also...I did a test and was able to run and tab between 35 eve clients on 16Gb ...but again thats bit overkill At the login screen? Otherwise do you seriously have 35 Eve accounts? (And not bot for that matter? j/k  )
not booting...believe or not....it was to test the limits of my machine..all logged on and minimised..Eve client takes anything from 200-550mb for me so it was lot of swapping to ssd
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/267/35clientstest.jpg/
it's plausible but not sure what would be longer term purpose of doing it....maintaing hi local in some 0.0 and preventing people from boting ? |

Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:38:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes now it is no wonder you found 184 USD to be cheap.
I really REALLY do not want to see your power bill. It would make baby al gore cry....
I know in the real world you have to pay a bit of a premium on Intel hardware compared to AMD. Yet I seriously find it difficult to justify 184 just to gain access to a 2x 16 PCIe slot layout.
Then again sassums did say he is getting one hell of a discount. I can't argue with that.
What GPU are you getting btw? AMDs 7x series is about to launch. And it features one hell of a power system that idles at less than 10W
Getting this cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115095
And this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121511&Tpk=DP67BG
all for $250 directly from Intel.
I was sad to see it wasn't one of their new Hexacore CPU's, I will have to wait until they have a summer deal and see if they offer it then. If they do, perhaps I'll buy it, but then again this i7 quad core should be enough.
The other thing that sucks is, if they do offer the hexacore, they need to offer a board with it, because the current bundle I am getting does not support that new CPU.
The board has 1 PCI-E 16.0 slot, or you can use the 2 PCI-E slots at 8.0. Not sure what is better.
and a $550 motherboard? holy crap!
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:40:00 -
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I am against AFK cloaking and I don't think that would be viable anyway as the costs of maintaining such a net of ships would be insane.
If I had a solar roof and bored friends I would dream of running 10 accounts and running incursions just for me... Epic EPIC isk/hr lol... |

Darren Corley
Echelon Munitions
7
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:41:00 -
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Sassums wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes now it is no wonder you found 184 USD to be cheap.
I really REALLY do not want to see your power bill. It would make baby al gore cry....
I know in the real world you have to pay a bit of a premium on Intel hardware compared to AMD. Yet I seriously find it difficult to justify 184 just to gain access to a 2x 16 PCIe slot layout.
Then again sassums did say he is getting one hell of a discount. I can't argue with that.
What GPU are you getting btw? AMDs 7x series is about to launch. And it features one hell of a power system that idles at less than 10W Getting this cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115095And this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121511&Tpk=DP67BGall for $250 directly from Intel. I was sad to see it wasn't one of their new Hexacore CPU's, I will have to wait until they have a summer deal and see if they offer it then. If they do, perhaps I'll buy it, but then again this i7 quad core should be enough. The other thing that sucks is, if they do offer the hexacore, they need to offer a board with it, because the current bundle I am getting does not support that new CPU. The board has 1 PCI-E 16.0 slot, or you can use the 2 PCI-E slots at 8.0. Not sure what is better. and a $550 motherboard? holy crap!
It wouldn't matter, the 6 core that is, since you'd need a different board altogether. The SB-E 6 Cores are LGA2011. And they use Quad Channel, so the RAM would be ok, but you'd need an X79 Board.
Yes I noticed you mentioned a different board AFTER I replied. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:44:00 -
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Sassums IF you have time to wait I would seriously wait. Or atleast see where the trends go in the early part of 2012 before you buy.
The 22nm stuff is supposed to be killer with power consumption and turbo. Because of that new 3D transistor stuff.
http://www.slashgear.com/intel-ivy-bridge-desktop-cpu-pricing-leaks-20203598/ If that leak is true the TDP is awesomely low. |

DrStone
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:45:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am against AFK cloaking and I don't think that would be viable anyway as the costs of maintaining such a net of ships would be insane.
If I had a solar roof and bored friends I would dream of running 10 accounts and running incursions just for me... Epic EPIC isk/hr lol...
I'm maintaining healthy 11 acounts.. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:51:00 -
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DrStone wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:I am against AFK cloaking and I don't think that would be viable anyway as the costs of maintaining such a net of ships would be insane.
If I had a solar roof and bored friends I would dream of running 10 accounts and running incursions just for me... Epic EPIC isk/hr lol... I'm maintaining healthy 11 acounts..
A bit off topic but if I may ask. Is there really a benefit of running that many? Does it not get to a point where you leave some logged off at many a time because you don't have the will to control that many?
I find two to be hard enough at times but 11? And how does your computer handle that? |

Sassums
Wormhole Exploration Crew Transmission Lost
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:56:00 -
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Darren Corley wrote:Sassums wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes now it is no wonder you found 184 USD to be cheap.
I really REALLY do not want to see your power bill. It would make baby al gore cry....
I know in the real world you have to pay a bit of a premium on Intel hardware compared to AMD. Yet I seriously find it difficult to justify 184 just to gain access to a 2x 16 PCIe slot layout.
Then again sassums did say he is getting one hell of a discount. I can't argue with that.
What GPU are you getting btw? AMDs 7x series is about to launch. And it features one hell of a power system that idles at less than 10W Getting this cpu: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115095And this mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121511&Tpk=DP67BGall for $250 directly from Intel. I was sad to see it wasn't one of their new Hexacore CPU's, I will have to wait until they have a summer deal and see if they offer it then. If they do, perhaps I'll buy it, but then again this i7 quad core should be enough. The other thing that sucks is, if they do offer the hexacore, they need to offer a board with it, because the current bundle I am getting does not support that new CPU. The board has 1 PCI-E 16.0 slot, or you can use the 2 PCI-E slots at 8.0. Not sure what is better. and a $550 motherboard? holy crap! It wouldn't matter, the 6 core that is, since you'd need a different board altogether. The SB-E 6 Cores are LGA2011. And they use Quad Channel, so the RAM would be ok, but you'd need an X79 Board. Yes I noticed you mentioned a different board AFTER I replied.
Already purchased the bundle and waiting on it to ship - no returns or refunds from Intel.
Although if they do another bundle with the Hexacore - they hopefully will offer it with a board that supports it.
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DrStone
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Posted - 2011.12.26 11:57:00 -
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The initial motivation was...if you want something done...do it youself and i was playing on my own...mining mainly.
Nowdays it became little bit more borring and i keep them just for skilling and exploring other ideas.
My computer handle all of them ok but not for anything more then flying in single system..did try to pvp a bit but that is bit overwhelming at this scale |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:02:00 -
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Mining I see. I would have guessed you were doing 10/10s or Sanctums by yourself but then again that would make the job of managing all those ships an absolute nightmare. |

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
422
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:18:00 -
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Funny story. I used to do lvl4 missions with one monitor and one account.
Then i got a second account, and alt-tabed.
Then i got a second monitor, and transitioned between them.
Then i got ISBoxer, and used both accounts in one monitor. Without alt-tabbing. Using 100% of the screen with one client. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |

Blue Binary
Polychoron
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Posted - 2011.12.26 12:46:00 -
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CCP Stillman wrote:Can you actually get 8GB sticks? I've not been able to track down any non-ECC ones. And I've never found any in Iceland nor Denmark. You can buy non-ECC 8GB sticks straight from the manufacturer. Crucial (owned by Micron) sell direct, they ship worldwide too. UK Site and US site.
They also sell a 16GB module and, if you have the money, a 32GB module; but your motherboard needs to support ECC modules for these babies.
I've been using Crucial for over 10 years and (touch wood) have never had to RMA their memory. They have a memory assembly plant here in Scotland, so they are always in stock and delivered next day.
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DrStone
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Posted - 2011.12.26 13:39:00 -
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way expensive even for 8gb modules........ |

Bubanni
SniggWaffe Band of Abos
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:01:00 -
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I used to play 3 accounts at the same time... don't play full screen :) alt tapping is not effective... just put them windowed.
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
272
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:49:00 -
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Ummm...I have two monitors with two completely different resolutions and I run two instances of EvE in two different resolutions. Just saying...not sure why people seem to always think that resolutions have to match.
Anyway...yes...window mode is your friend in this case and it works very well.
Just stay out of CQ with both clients on high settings if you can help it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX!
Support our boobies!-á[url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=24221&find=unread[/url]
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CCP Stillman
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2011.12.26 14:50:00 -
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Blue Binary wrote:CCP Stillman wrote:Can you actually get 8GB sticks? I've not been able to track down any non-ECC ones. And I've never found any in Iceland nor Denmark. You can buy non-ECC 8GB modules straight from one of the manufacturers. Crucial (owned by Micron) sell direct, they ship worldwide too. UK Site and US site. They also sell a 16GB module and, if you have the money, a 32GB module; but your motherboard needs to support ECC modules for these babies. I've been using Crucial for over 10 years and (touch wood) have never had to RMA their memory. They have a memory assembly plant here in Scotland, so they are always in stock and delivered next day. That's pretty hot. A shame my P55-GD65 can only hold 16gb of RAM. Though that's still twice what I have now, which really should be sufficient until the next Intel tock(22nm tock, unless the 22nm tick is a must-have upgrade. Who knows ) Associate QA Tester for Team EVESec. |
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J Kunjeh
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Posted - 2011.12.26 15:34:00 -
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Confirming that I have a dual monitor setup so that I can play Eve on one, while I play the Eve forums and Eve blogs on the other. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
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