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Velisity Ellecon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.05 02:54:34 -
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I finally gave this game a good try. The tutorial was awesome but i'm so far behind that it's going to take me years to catch up to other people. I also feel like the tutorial didn't cover enough. When it was over, I was left not knowing what to do. I ran some missions then got to a point where I couldn't get any where with out upgrading my ship. So I bought a new one only to find out I still couldn't do the missions. I didn't know where to go from there. I asked general help and was told to buy another ship but I had no idea what they were talking about. It's annoying.
I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about, I thought it was a free to play but it's a "free to try" then pay for everything to make it fun.
Just some feed back if the devs are interested in why I'm quitting.
Thank you, Velisity |
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2404
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Posted - 2017.01.05 03:39:49 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:I finally gave this game a good try. The tutorial was awesome but i'm so far behind that it's going to take me years to catch up to other people. I also feel like the tutorial didn't cover enough. When it was over, I was left not knowing what to do. I ran some missions then got to a point where I couldn't get any where with out upgrading my ship. So I bought a new one only to find out I still couldn't do the missions. I didn't know where to go from there. I asked general help and was told to buy another ship but I had no idea what they were talking about. It's annoying.
I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about, I thought it was a free to play but it's a "free to try" then pay for everything to make it fun.
Just some feed back if the devs are interested in why I'm quitting.
Thank you, Velisity For almost everyone that has joined eve there have been players years ahead. Sure I'm years ahead of you, but there are many players I am years behind. The good thing about that is for any given activity there are a limited number of skills to train and only a certain amount that even make sense to train. Your mining skills don't matter in a combat ship, There have always been catch up mechanics, and now with skill injectors it is even more straight forward. Also with that limited pool of skills there are diminishing returns, sure right now I'm way better in many ships, but you can catch up and be within 2-5% effectiveness in a specific ship in much less time. Sure if we had a straight up mirror match brawl I'd win almost every time but as they say, in eve if you fight fair you already lost. There are many small fitting tweaks either of us could make to hopefully shift the fight in our favor, there are also many mistakes either of us could make to give the other player an advantage.
Eve has never really been a hold your hand game, there is just too much to cover for a tutorial. Eve is also a sandbox so player created goals are the standard, and well a tutorial shouldn't be dictating your goals. It should have given you a few ideas though. You found missions, there is a whole subforum here on missions where we can give you ideas of ways to progress.
Sure it is a bit confusing at first, but it is a completely fascinating game world where player interaction actually matters. I spent most of my first two weeks reading everything I could trying to figure out how it worked and to theory craft things. Other games you end up in a conflict with another player and well you will probably never see them again, or heck they are on "your side" so you can't even do anything about them. Eve is one universe with few restrictions, you can be very creative in your problem solving. It is pretty straight forward to blow them up, or you can try and earn their trust and steal everything they didn't nail down.
and welcome to the free to play world, there is always a catch with f2p, and pay to get ahead is the standard. Truth be told Eve's f2p model is more of an infinite trial. I don't think anyone that has played for a long time is too upset with that, beats the heck out of not even being able to log in. And for new players, well as you found out, the game is rather complex but hopefully this model allows them to figure some things out and ultimately subscribe.
If you are going to complain it is just too confusing and walk away, well that's on you. I'm sure if you asked some of your questions here we would have had many ideas to help you move forward, or perhaps that wasn't a direction you wanted to go and you could have tried something else.
edit: since no one beat me to it, can I have your stuff?
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
998
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Posted - 2017.01.05 03:43:14 -
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I didn't stick my first time either.
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Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
635
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Posted - 2017.01.05 03:45:05 -
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good bye! o7
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Annabelle Le
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2017.01.05 03:53:56 -
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It does take a little bit to learn but there are people that will help you. The rookie channel is usually pretty good. Most of the level 1 mission can be done it a frigate. You can use a cruise for most level three mission. I'm talking about combat missions. If you were doing career missions its possible you need a ship with more cargo space.
One major difference in Eve when compared to other MMOs is that it doesn't lead you buy the hand to the next step. That can be difficult to deal with because you get to a point early on where you have no idea what to do next. Then you realize you have a choice and figure out what you enjoy and you do it. There is no certain build to use, no right or wrong, it is what you enjoy.
Don't think about catching up because you never will unless you buy a bunch of skill injectors. You will get to a point fairly quick where can use stuff that allows you to compete. Sure the person you are competing against has more skill points, but eve is kind of a rock paper scissors game and no matter how skilled the scissor maybe rock still crushes him.
Joining a corp in eve is easy go to recruitment channel and find one that sound like they do the stuff you want to do and apply.
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Memphis Baas
2664
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Posted - 2017.01.05 04:06:37 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:I finally gave this game a good try. [...] I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long.
Sorry to see you go, but, honestly, about 1,110,000 results (0.41 seconds). |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58196
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Posted - 2017.01.05 04:24:31 -
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Hello, sorry to hear you're having problems.
Don't look at this game like you're years behind and will never catch up. Considering the fact that F2P was just recently activated, there's a lot of other players here that are just like you. As was already stated, just ask for some advice if you have problems with any aspect of the game. In fact, each career path in Eve has a specific sub-forum here where you can get answers to your questions.
I suggest you spend a few days doing a little bit of google research on various game topics while browsing the different sub-forums here. I'm sure you'll quickly find all the info you need to get your game play experience back into action.
Anyway, I sincerely hope you give this game some more time. Good luck to you, no matter what your decision is.
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'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Pix Severus
Empty You
5719
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Posted - 2017.01.05 05:55:16 -
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The problem is that you're treating EVE like other MMOs. You're thinking of yourself as the hero, and if you can never catch up to a 2003 player, then why bother?
EVE is more complex than that, you have to carve out your own niche and do your own thing. You are not the hero, nor is anyone else here, we're all crazy characters in this vast universe who must do what we can to make the universe a little more interesting.
Don't sit there and wait for the game to tell you what to do, because it won't, you have to be smarter than that, you have to use your imagination to realise what it is that you want from this game and then go and do it. You can't be lazy either, go join a corp, put yourself out there, and you'll have more fun than you thought possible with Space Spreadsheet Simulator.
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.01.05 06:09:50 -
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The pvp in the game is really crap. I've been hoping it would get better for years but unfortunately its still all about numbers and the force multiplayer effects of that. You have to have multiple computers if you want to stand a chance.
The tutorial really is the best part.
Congratulations on beating EVE. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
627
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Posted - 2017.01.05 06:30:54 -
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Well it was my 3rd try when I finally hooked up and settled in New Eden. Try different aproach, it's a sandbox PvP. There is nothing to catch up, you can be where ever you want be, or whoever you want to be here.
Velisity Ellecon wrote:The tutorial was awesome but i'm so far behind that it's going to take me years to catch up to other people. Catch up to what? or who? I've enconutered many alphas while my expeditions, trying different thing in New Eden, asking me for help if they don't understand something, mostly exploration because that is what I do here. Asking for fits, mechanics, ISK potential. What's behind the next hill generally, and I'm telling them basically the same. EvE is a sandbox, it feels complicated, learning curve is very curved at start.
Anybody has Altrue sheet "what to do in EvE"?
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Jotunspor
Aion 514
32
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Posted - 2017.01.05 07:08:17 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:I finally gave this game a good try. The tutorial was awesome but i'm so far behind that it's going to take me years to catch up to other people. I also feel like the tutorial didn't cover enough. When it was over, I was left not knowing what to do. I ran some missions then got to a point where I couldn't get any where with out upgrading my ship. So I bought a new one only to find out I still couldn't do the missions. I didn't know where to go from there. I asked general help and was told to buy another ship but I had no idea what they were talking about. It's annoying.
I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about, I thought it was a free to play but it's a "free to try" then pay for everything to make it fun.
Just some feed back if the devs are interested in why I'm quitting.
Thank you, Velisity
Well, i mean. It is what it is in terms of learning curve. Simply saying you won't pay for a game because you have things to learn is pretty silly. But ultimately - as others have mentioned - it's a game that sadly, pathetically - solely relies on the simple BYPRODUCT of player-to-player interaction to create "content". You have to go full closet-jerker to get the "real" experience thus far. And i don't see this game lasting another 5-8 years; at least in a non-vegetative state imminent to death, unless the developers start developing, and stop tweaking. |
Shu t'Me
17
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Posted - 2017.01.05 07:35:51 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:I finally gave this game a good try. The tutorial was awesome but i'm so far behind that it's going to take me years to catch up to other people. I also feel like the tutorial didn't cover enough. When it was over, I was left not knowing what to do. I ran some missions then got to a point where I couldn't get any where with out upgrading my ship. So I bought a new one only to find out I still couldn't do the missions. I didn't know where to go from there. I asked general help and was told to buy another ship but I had no idea what they were talking about. It's annoying.
I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about, I thought it was a free to play but it's a "free to try" then pay for everything to make it fun.
Just some feed back if the devs are interested in why I'm quitting.
Thank you, Velisity Bye.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1370
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Posted - 2017.01.05 07:59:02 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:The pvp in the game is really crap. I've been hoping it would get better for years but unfortunately its still all about numbers and the force multiplayer effects of that. You have to have multiple computers if you want to stand a chance.
The tutorial really is the best part.
Congratulations on beating EVE.
With a name like that it's no wonder you're talking crap about PVP.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Sark Nosha
Nosha Trading Empire
61
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Posted - 2017.01.05 08:11:28 -
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Eve is and always has been a sandbox first and foremost through which each player sets their own goals and works towards them. If you are after a game where you are led through a single storyline then eve isn't for you. Player generated content and goals are about 90% of eve and even mission running offers numerous options and paths for players to consider. Sorry to see you go - but eve isn't for everyone. |
Alpha Baba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.05 09:17:51 -
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EVE is only good for a particular type of people. That's why this "alpha" thing won't help it so much. |
Hakawai
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.01.05 09:32:30 -
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OP is right. Not 100% right, nor right for every prospective player, but right for plenty of prospective players.
It's not OP's fault either, despite the "victim blaming" ( like the posts that end EVE isn't for everyone).
This is a large and completely unnecessary "speed bump" at about the point new players want to buy their first T1 cruiser. A bunch of negative things come together at the same time, and the right move for a lot of prospective players is to stop spending time on EVE.
Filtering players this way makes no sense at all. And it makes little more sense to pretend that getting though the various "speed bumps" is a sign of virtue and fitness to play EVE. For a lot of potential long-term players it just indicates having too much time and a high tolerance for boredom).
Of course EVE isn't the only MMO to do this - it seems to be the rule rather than the exception - but right now, despite its history, EVE has an opportunity to grow. |
Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1737
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Posted - 2017.01.05 09:42:50 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about, I thought it was a free to play but it's a "free to try" then pay for everything to make it fun.
It's true, research takes longer and knowing how to do stuff isn't simple. It is free to try in a limited form. Catching up is impossible and not a consideration. You could buy a character with more SP than me (09 character here) but knowing how, when and where to use what those skills unlock is knowledge that can't be bought. Pretty sure the devs know exactly why you don't think EvE is for you.
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gnshadowninja
Back Passage Explorer's Vendetta Mercenary Group
298
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Posted - 2017.01.05 09:49:47 -
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I can't understand why people say they cant 'catch up', afew years back this was the case but since then we have seen the introduction of remaps, boosters, skill injectors and i've seen new players under a year old bypass my skill points and ive been playing over ten years.
Hopefully you will stick to it and join a newbie friendly corp such as Horde or Eve Uni and they will be able to help you and give you a role to play in Eve. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
629
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Posted - 2017.01.05 10:00:55 -
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Alpha Baba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.05 10:01:46 -
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Hakawai wrote:OP is right. Not 100% right, nor right for every prospective player, but right for plenty of prospective players.
It's not OP's fault either, despite the "victim blaming" ( like the posts that end EVE isn't for everyone).
This is a large and completely unnecessary "speed bump" at about the point new players want to buy their first T1 cruiser. A bunch of negative things come together at the same time, and the right move for a lot of prospective players is to stop spending time on EVE.
Filtering players this way makes no sense at all. And it makes little more sense to pretend that getting though the various "speed bumps" is a sign of virtue and fitness to play EVE. For a lot of potential long-term players it just indicates having too much time and a high tolerance for boredom).
Of course EVE isn't the only MMO to do this - it seems to be the rule rather than the exception - but right now, despite its history, EVE has an opportunity to grow.
I think filtering is a good idea at the beginning. EVE is just sucks a lot of times, even if you are old player. It requires a lot of meta-gaming, reading bunch of stuff on the internet, learning and trying a bunch of stuff, realising you need another 2 week/month to properly do or skill up something, using out of game applications, using excel tables, etcetc. There only some kind of people who likes those things. I have a lot of clever gamer friends, and nobody of them wants to ever try EVE at all, or they just tried to realise, this game is not made for them.
I see a lot of clueless players and from the questions they ask, you can see most of them will just fail. |
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Hakawai
State War Academy Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.01.05 11:16:41 -
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An early filter is good only if it's accurate.
IMO EVE selects reasonably effectively, but excludes far too many genuine prospects.
My personal impression is that much attention is paid to the "New Player Experience", but that it's unwisely limited to the first 30-odd days of play.
A player is "new" until they are economically self-sufficient, and feel comfortable with where they are going - meaning they have the knowledge and experience to make a realistic plan, and be confident they can achieve it. 30 days is enough for some, but in general, it takes far too long in EVE to get to that point.
IMO this could be fixed relatively cheaply. The current "NPE" and Career Agent Missions work (mosty) ok, and don't need to be extended to provide a longer period of structured play. But entry into many of the possible activities in EVE, especially those that generate income, needs to be "smoothed out". |
Max Fubarticus
K Diamond Holding LTD. Bullets Bombs and Blondes
181
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Posted - 2017.01.05 11:34:52 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:I finally gave this game a good try. The tutorial was awesome but i'm so far behind that it's going to take me years to catch up to other people. I also feel like the tutorial didn't cover enough. When it was over, I was left not knowing what to do. I ran some missions then got to a point where I couldn't get any where with out upgrading my ship. So I bought a new one only to find out I still couldn't do the missions. I didn't know where to go from there. I asked general help and was told to buy another ship but I had no idea what they were talking about. It's annoying.
I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about, I thought it was a free to play but it's a "free to try" then pay for everything to make it fun.
Just some feed back if the devs are interested in why I'm quitting.
Thank you, Velisity
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3260
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Posted - 2017.01.05 11:42:10 -
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To actually "get EvE" is not something you can teach, it's something you have to manage on your own. This requires the right mind set and the patience and imagination to look for. All the scripted stuff can teach you some basic mechanics, but not what EvE actually is about, and maybe is even a distraction, because it gives the false illusion of similarities to other games ... I fell for this as well in the beginning and took me about 6 month to "enlightment".
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Keno Skir
1140
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Posted - 2017.01.05 13:28:25 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about
Your short attention span is the enemy, not the game.
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
61
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Posted - 2017.01.05 13:30:21 -
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gnshadowninja wrote:I can't understand why people say they cant 'catch up', afew years back this was the case but since then we have seen the introduction of remaps, boosters, skill injectors and i've seen new players under a year old bypass my skill points and ive been playing over ten years.
Hopefully you will stick to it and join a newbie friendly corp such as Horde or Eve Uni and they will be able to help you and give you a role to play in Eve.
It's because they just halfed the learning speed. Alphas are training slower than old accounts did before they got rid of training skills. Trial accounts had normal training speed and access to all racial ships. There was no reason to remove the ability to fly what you want when the old trial gave you a chance to get into whatever you wanted and have training speed to be able to actually get skills done in order to try things out. The current alpha clones are a massive step backward from old trial accounts in an actual trial regard. You can try anything and it takes forever to do what you can. Even if you only had 2 weeks before you got more done in 2 weeks than you'll be able to accomplish in 2 months as an alpha until ccp fixes the training speed issue. You can't learn to play if you're locked out everything ans just waiting for one skill to train that takes 2 times as long to finish for no good reason.
Any alpha clone is going to be exponentially behind current players because one has can train much faster in multiple areas. Making a new npe won't fix player retention if there's a paywall right after it which is how it is now. And that's not even taking implants into account. Which makes the exponential gap over time even wider. Alphas might as well be back at 10 for all attributes and omegas are up in the high 20s low 30s on average. People dont remember just how bad it was back when there were learning skills and we all started out with crap attributes unless you were an achura. The double speed training for omegas is an outright lie by ccp. It's the normal training speed and they shafted all the truly new players who are worse off than they were as trial accounts even if they dont know it. They'll never catch up. |
Matthias Khenakhtre
Wrath of Angels
71
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Posted - 2017.01.05 13:30:21 -
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gnshadowninja wrote:I can't understand why people say they cant 'catch up', afew years back this was the case but since then we have seen the introduction of remaps, boosters, skill injectors and i've seen new players under a year old bypass my skill points and ive been playing over ten years.
Hopefully you will stick to it and join a newbie friendly corp such as Horde or Eve Uni and they will be able to help you and give you a role to play in Eve.
It's because they just halfed the learning speed. Alphas are training slower than old accounts did before they got rid of training skills. Trial accounts had normal training speed and access to all racial ships. There was no reason to remove the ability to fly what you want when the old trial gave you a chance to get into whatever you wanted and have training speed to be able to actually get skills done in order to try things out. The current alpha clones are a massive step backward from old trial accounts in an actual trial regard. You can try anything and it takes forever to do what you can. Even if you only had 2 weeks before you got more done in 2 weeks than you'll be able to accomplish in 2 months as an alpha until ccp fixes the training speed issue. You can't learn to play if you're locked out everything ans just waiting for one skill to train that takes 2 times as long to finish for no good reason.
Any alpha clone is going to be exponentially behind current players because one has can train much faster in multiple areas. Making a new npe won't fix player retention if there's a paywall right after it which is how it is now. And that's not even taking implants into account. Which makes the exponential gap over time even wider. Alphas might as well be back at 10 for all attributes and omegas are up in the high 20s low 30s on average. People dont remember just how bad it was back when there were learning skills and we all started out with crap attributes unless you were an achura. The double speed training for omegas is an outright lie by ccp. It's the normal training speed and they shafted all the truly new players who are worse off than they were as trial accounts even if they dont know it. They'll never catch up. |
Memphis Baas
2670
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Posted - 2017.01.05 13:52:39 -
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I'd be ok with CCP removing the half training speed limit from Alphas, and giving them full speed.
They'll just see faster progress through the few ships they have access to, and then hit the limits earlier and be persuaded to subscribe earlier. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
139
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Posted - 2017.01.05 13:57:28 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:gnshadowninja wrote:I can't understand why people say they cant 'catch up', afew years back this was the case but since then we have seen the introduction of remaps, boosters, skill injectors and i've seen new players under a year old bypass my skill points and ive been playing over ten years.
Hopefully you will stick to it and join a newbie friendly corp such as Horde or Eve Uni and they will be able to help you and give you a role to play in Eve. It's because they just halfed the learning speed. Alphas are training slower than old accounts did before they got rid of training skills. Trial accounts had normal training speed and access to all racial ships. There was no reason to remove the ability to fly what you want when the old trial gave you a chance to get into whatever you wanted and have training speed to be able to actually get skills done in order to try things out. The current alpha clones are a massive step backward from old trial accounts in an actual trial regard. You can try anything and it takes forever to do what you can. Even if you only had 2 weeks before you got more done in 2 weeks than you'll be able to accomplish in 2 months as an alpha until ccp fixes the training speed issue. You can't learn to play if you're locked out everything ans just waiting for one skill to train that takes 2 times as long to finish for no good reason. Any alpha clone is going to be exponentially behind current players because one has can train much faster in multiple areas. Making a new npe won't fix player retention if there's a paywall right after it which is how it is now. And that's not even taking implants into account. Which makes the exponential gap over time even wider. Alphas might as well be back at 10 for all attributes and omegas are up in the high 20s low 30s on average. People dont remember just how bad it was back when there were learning skills and we all started out with crap attributes unless you were an achura. The double speed training for omegas is an outright lie by ccp. It's the normal training speed and they shafted all the truly new players who are worse off than they were as trial accounts even if they dont know it. They'll never catch up.
Did you forget that alpha clones are also locked to ~5m SP? Even if they did increase alpha training time. Alphas will always he limited in comparison to Omega. The only difference is that they will run into that wall after a few months instead of the 6+ months or so now.
Yes for some people they can jump right in. Find a good Corp etc etc in very short order. But others take longer. I spent years without a Corp because it always took me a while to find a group of people I wanted to fly with. Often I would come back for a month. Maybe two. And then leave because I didn't want to keep paying for the game just to look for a Corp. (And wasn't having fun without one)
The reduced training time and the SP limit work together to allow an alpha plenty of time as a free player to get settled in while still preventing alphas from being abused as free alts. |
mkint
1348
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Posted - 2017.01.05 14:34:00 -
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I have to say the OP's complaints are completely valid. Even the things that don't match with reality, the complaint is still completely valid. Usually it's not the specific roadblocks that rookies hit that ruin the game, it's that the communication in the game is terrible. Devs killed their own documentation because "doing your job as a dev is hard." Devs develop tools that further entrench nullblobs rather than tools that make the game engaging (a social game where EVERY tool to find a corp or even a fleet or social group is just more terrible than the last, and the worst advice being the most common "just join one of these huge corps where you'll be a faceless nobody".) A UI that's so broken the game feels like it resents you for attempting to play it. The OP talks about where the fundamental communication tools broke down, but the truth is, some parts of the core game are straight up bad.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
15050
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Posted - 2017.01.05 15:44:40 -
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Velisity Ellecon wrote:I finally gave this game a good try. The tutorial was awesome but i'm so far behind that it's going to take me years to catch up to other people.
I identified the 1st part of your problem as soon as I read that. EVE is not like other MMOs it's not about 'catching up'. You can compete (if you are smart and willing to innovate a little) from the 1st week.
Other MMOs have 'levles' because they know that people have a bad psychological reaction when they feel like they are 'behind' other people. EVE doesn't do that, EVE is a game for people who don't CARE where they are relative to other people (for the most part).
Quote: I also feel like the tutorial didn't cover enough. When it was over, I was left not knowing what to do. I ran some missions then got to a point where I couldn't get any where with out upgrading my ship. So I bought a new one only to find out I still couldn't do the missions. I didn't know where to go from there. I asked general help and was told to buy another ship but I had no idea what they were talking about. It's annoying.
This is problem number 2. EVE is a game for people who LIKE not knowing what to do and use that to drive their exploration of the game. Other MMOs kind of do this for you, or make it to where you don't feel too lost. EVe WANTS you to feel lost.
Quote: I had no idea how to join with a clan or guild or whatever it's called in this game. Researching takes way too long and I'm not paying for a game that I'm completely confused about, I thought it was a free to play but it's a "free to try" then pay for everything to make it fun.
Just some feed back if the devs are interested in why I'm quitting.
Thank you, Velisity
The highlighted part is problem number 3 for you, EVE takes patience. I've been playing 9 and a half years and I STILL don't know some things (I learned just last year that ctrl + shift + click delocks a target......) People are still coming up with new ways to fly ship, kill other ships and do PVE in ever faster/more profitable ways, even in an almost 14 year old game.
Some regulars around here get mad at me when I say this stuff, but I don't say it to be mean, I say it because it's the truth as I see it. EVE Online is a game that caters to certain character traits ,among them patience, challenge seeking (ie seeing things as challenges instead of seeing them as obstacles), the willingness to both compete and cooperate at the appropriate times, and the ability to defer gratification.
Your post suggests you lack , in some measure or another, the requisite traits needed to enjoy EVE. In other words, EVE just isn't for you. There is nothing wrong with that, it's not crime, my own cousin (whom I grew up with like a brother and who is also a gamer) hates EVE and loves League of Legends (which I hate). Everyone is different. |
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