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Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:39:00 - [31] Look guys, Factional Warfare is around the corner - Think Privater style pvp time ten. Or times a Tenth depending on how it is implemented -- Billion Isk Mission
Gong	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Gong on 17/04/2007 22:42:19 50 wars isn't paying to go to war against your enemies, 50 wars is paying to convert high-sec into 0.0 to have unrestricted pvp. But fees and war restriction are only ingame to prevent such a situation in the first place. With privateers it turned out that fees and war restrictions failed to do their job and so it gets patched. If this patch is the way it should be, don't know, but I know that high-sec isn't supposed to be turned into 0.0, if you come up with an idea that beats the game mechanics and makes almost unlimited pvp in high-sec possible. Then CCP reacts and simply changes the game mechanics. You forgot the nanophoons already ? They were fine for me. I had a lot of fun flying them. It wasn't a cheat, I used what CCP gave me to maximize my fun. Almost unlimited freedom with a BS. But CCP had a different view, on how battleship combat is supposed to be and so they just changed the game mechanics. Same thing, doesn't matter if it's about high sec or about ships.
Portios Smith Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Lord WarATron Look guys, Factional Warfare is around the corner - Think Privater style pvp time ten. Or times a Tenth depending on how it is implemented You mean node crashing blobs like the ones you are so familiar with I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
ProjectSeven z3r0 Gravity FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:14:00 - [34] Man, seems the OP is using a lot of uneducated statements. In my opinion, the PVP in WoW wasn't as intense. Adrenalin is all about risks. When you have nothing on the line except a couple repair bills and a bit of pride that will lose the thrill fast. Now with EVE, you all know how much is on the line. /signature oh god damnit.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:16:00 - [35] Why do people whine about warp to 0? Are they just whiny and incapable of adapting? Why is it that hardcore pirates don't complain and still gank people all the time? Do you forget why they added wtz in the first place? Instas anyone? - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - "We need to invent a new Clue Super Weapon... Something that distributes clue on a never before seen level." -Cpt Psycho
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:36:00 - [36] Some people like to play Eve on "Hard" mode. PVP isnt about sitting in Jita (legally) ganking haulers. Merc Blog
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:38:00 - [37] PVP isn't dead. We've had no trouble finding fights in Feythabolis, and not just bubbled gate ganks either but nice 20 vs 20 scraps. The only thing that's really killing pvp is POS warfare. It's boring, laggy and boring. That and DD's.
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:39:00 - [38] Edited by: Tolomea on 17/04/2007 23:35:10 Originally by: Tista Eve is sloping down hill.. has done over the last 5 months. amen to that, but I don't see what your problem is, go read the latest dev blog, they are finally going to do something about it.
Black Spy	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:45:00 - [39] To be fair, EVE PVP has always been on the brink of dying (According to what I read on the forums) I have yet to see any evidence of it. I find loads of PVP. Good PVP too, fair fights, not ganks and fleet fights. You just got to look and know where. Woops, I forgot to select my main!
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:45:00 - [40] ^ Wrong Character ^

Ke Jung Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Xelios The only thing that's really killing pvp is POS warfare. It's boring, laggy and boring. That and DD's. Hows your foot? Must be a bit painful after shooting it like that.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.04.18 00:00:00 - [42] really, my last little pvp roam was action packed tbh. Not ideal for solo player, i'm just solo roaming atm, but once i join a corp again ideal for 2-5 man gangs. Multiple 1 man engaments on a gate. - note to self: gank mega can;t tank sentries too well. Avoided a 15+ infod gatecamp. - ideal small gang fight Played around a few random outbreak guys. 2-3 man gang could have ganked and got some good fights. Bumped into some lowsec alliance. - Ran around, got engaged by a pest and had a nice fight. Dies to his m8's but had i rigged my mega I could have taken both the tempest and the myrm imho. All in lowsec, all within about 2-3 hours roaming. Yea solo sucks a bit for pvp but small gang is alive and well from what i've seen. -----
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Tista on 18/04/2007 10:16:29 well i've always found that when i fly solo i make alot more isk doing pvp than in gangs.. i've been doing gang warefare for a few weeks and i have spent over 500mil.. and only made about 10mil (i haven't lost anything i just enjoy spending).. where as when i was doing solo work i spent about 15mil on new drones and made about 700mil. since my main is a caldari main hybrid character it's quite hard fighting solo anyway since most caldari ships are designed to work in a fleet, which basicly means i trade out my caldari pilot for another (still looking btw) or i train another race to a point where every other noob isn't just going to beat me down. I've got 24million sp already and yes a few other skills than caldari but at the end of the day spending nearly 2.5 years training for a race then not having the decent choice of doing solo PvP well kinda.. sucks. As i said in my "boost caldari" thread i think caldari/sheild tankers should get some form of low slot tackling gear.. make it so we replace gank for tackle or tank for tackle.. or atleast boost caldari ships base agility/speed. I know most of the enargy and such is ment to go to the sheilds but c'mon slowest ships in the game, unable to PvP solo in almost all of our ships.. it's kinda harsh and it's not like they labeld it at the begining "this race can not solo PvP" it's just like "oh wow sheilds and missiles.. techno race!" I'm fedup of being docked all day and i dont want to have to spend another 4 months training for a 2nd race or trade my character. my 6.5mil sp in Engineering is close to being wasted because if i do go to another race all my lvl 5 sheild skills will be worthless because sheild users can't tackle and tank effectivly. Please CCP give us low slot tackling gear! Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:32:00 - [44] So, because it is now slightly more difficult for you to kill random helpless newbie pilots, there is a problem? The game is not there for you to get all the super easy kills you want. Why would you not want your game to be challenging? And most of 0.0 is empty. 0.4 and 0.3 on the other hand are full of people. Maybe if you weren't busy abusing the war declarations to get easy kills on defenseless targets in highsec you wouldn't have such a flawed view of the rest of Eve. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Black Spy I find loads of PVP. Good PVP too, fair fights, not ganks and fleet fights. You just got to look and know where. But see, thats the difference right there. When people ** and moan on the forums about how pvp sucks, its usually because theyre gonna lose ezmode and would actually have to work for their kills. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by:** Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:39:00 - [46] Originally by: RedFall I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. That's where real PvP is. /signed so hard. Sign my thread - Dev Response needed
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:39:00 - [47] ye pvp in eve sucks... i might be lazy but it aint fun chasing people around like it is now only to see them logoff... or a domi entering which a 3 months old toon pilots only to ***a 3 year old raven pilot-. that sucks majorly.. ccp should consider making batlle arenas where u can duel people. like ohh there is an enemy in local i want so bad to waste him. then i should be able to offer him a duel or something.. bahh dont know.. also people have to start not worying about loosing ships... its just isk ffs.. and isk can be made again. who cares what and how u loose your **, aslong as it was fun dying.. get my point ? hmmmm ccp nerf pvp---
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Tista Edited by: Tista on 18/04/2007 10:16:29 snip Please CCP give us low slot tackling gear! Oh yeah, and then please give us mid slot damage and fitting mods! And low slot EWar, that'll un-nerf Amarr too! And infact mirror everything onto every race! No. Caldari aren't bad at PvP. Most of their ships aren't built for solo'ing, but for gang work. So either train up for ships that can solo better or get a mate. Two caldari ships can each spare a slot for tackling. Oh, and a lot of noobs had instas the old days. I know I made mine as a noob like the 2nd day I went into lowsec.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:51:00 - [49] There is also the factor of doing fleet/gang warfare of not having the challange of "It's your ship vs my ship" it's more about who can pull the biggest ship into the feild first or who can get more people to kill them.. no skill involved what-so ever in that.. and not much fun either. The most amount of fun i've had in a gang was when i was with my friend in his hyperion and i was in my abaddon.. tanking 13 people at once (this was back in the day of 3 nano aux pumps and nano-phoons).. it took them a good 15 minutes to bring us both down but my god it was worth losing 500mil for that 15 minutes.. amazing fun in that. No challenge = no thrill = no fun = bored = station docked perm. I miss the good old days of people actualy belt ratting in my home system (Carrou) and it being fun and challenging to know that if i engage this person there might be 2 more on the other side of a gate. But since eve has been flipped around wildly like it has for the last few months it's gotten alot harder, things such as the myrmidon.. the bc capable of bringing down battleships and tanking a small gang while it's doing so, or the drake.. capable of tanking a full gank fitted ac maelstrom. The HP boost meaning people don't fit plates anymore.. not so much dragging out combat.. just more making the hard to kill ships even harder to kill. Ever tried taking down a domi solo in a megathron or raven? Before the updates it was possible but now.. cap warefare has become the king of combat and people can just leech until there is nothing left and since caldari has the worst cap in the game they have been hit hard by it, yes yes we have passive tanks but in solo pvp you want short sharp engagments not 20minute long fights where half way through you can go to the toilet or make a sandwich. The introduction of rigs has also pushed the game overboard.. i mean when i used to see a megathron i would instantly think.. "avoid guns and hit it as hard as i can as fast as i can!" With rigs megathrons and ships alike can now tank & gank at the same time.. or be mass gank or mass tank, anyone ever seen a megathron with t2 neutrons 2 damage mods 2 damage rigs 5 ogre II and a heavy gun skilled pilot? Or an abaddon with 2 reps 5 nos and 85% resists? with the addition of rigs to the game it has shifted the balance in favour of the rich and people with a fast decent income.. before rigs eve was a little weird since the hp boost and the new ships.. then rigs were intoduced and it became 200mil for a half decent battleship.. i remember when i was spending 130mil on a megathron and it being an amazing ship.. now i have to spend nearly double that. Eve is ment to be about balance but the recent changes (and i say recent i mean last few months) have flipped it all around pretty much screwing people who want to solo pvp. Ships that can tank 5 other ships at once, and gank ships that dont even need to tank to kill.. now notice none of the ships mentioned before were caldari.. thats because i think they were hit hardest by all these new patches. People say "oh yes but you have the drake which can tank loads" well tanking is one thing but since everyone knows it can tank they either dont engage them or dont primary them. The best hope of solo pvp i have is a torp/damper raven which by the way is extremley volatile, and since solo pvp relies on a combination of speed, tank, DPS and tackle ability i think the raven lacks. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Disco Flint Originally by: Tista Edited by: Tista on 18/04/2007 10:16:29 snip Please CCP give us low slot tackling gear! Oh yeah, and then please give us mid slot damage and fitting mods! And low slot EWar, that'll un-nerf Amarr too! And infact mirror everything onto every race! No. Caldari aren't bad at PvP. Most of their ships aren't built for solo'ing, but for gang work. So either train up for ships that can solo better or get a mate. Two caldari ships can each spare a slot for tackling. Oh, and a lot of noobs had instas the old days. I know I made mine as a noob like the 2nd day I went into lowsec. Mmm you make a valid point about mirroring everything into every race. I agree races should have their differences but caldari for solo pvp is nearly impossible, when we had ECM it was farley good with a raven 4 ecm, webber and scrammer + torps.. no need for a tank just ecm people into submission, but then gallente pilots ruined that with ecm domis. Gang pvp is all fare and well but when i just want to go it alone, out into the depths of space and kill things that i want to.. i don't get that choice. Yes there is ment to be someone who is always the prey for others and caldari seems to be that, the typical prey being "slow, worth taking down for the meat(loot), and un-able to really protect itself" I always thought carebears were ment to be the prey or atleast other PvP pilots. Amarr needs a boost in lasers. Gallente is fine as is.. maybe nerf the myrm. Caldari needs some form of solo ship that works. Minmatar.. not too sure i think they are okay at the moment.. maybe increase gun power by 5%. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?

Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:07:00 - [51] it would seem that CCP's main concern is getting more people to pay for accounts.. by adding more content and advertising.. rather than looking after it's customers current interests. This isn't so much a threat but more of.. well a suggestion, CCP i'm guna cancel my accounts if eve doesn't improve because i just don't play it anymore.. it used to be fun and worth my 20 quid a month but now i can see that it's not really. Improve PvP in some durastic way that isn't total imba or retarded to the masses or you will lose customers.. simple as. People play eve because it has progression, PvP, and exciting risk.. but each of these factors is being slowly removed. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! you do realize that you just insulted yourself because you implied quite clearly that what you consider "pvp" is really just ganking carebears otherwise you would not mention them in your post.
BleuJoJo	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Tista noobs didnt have bms- WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? So THAT's what it's all about - the noobs aren't as easy to gank anymore, eh? No more shooting fish in a barrel? The game is actually challenging now? Sweet. But anyway, here's what you should do if you really want those things in your OP fixed - click!
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:19:00 - [54] its about combat with other ships yes, but when every other ship i meet can just run away due to a lack of tackling ability i find it quite hard to do so. I used to kill command ships and battleships, taking on multiple targets at once, most pvpers in eve unless they are noobs work in fleets.. i work solo and i try to take on a challenge. ganking is all fare and well and yes killing noobs is quite fun too but when a noob can roll up after 2 months playing in a nos-domi and obliterate my battleships i find it quite hard to just sit quietly and not say anything. When i say pvp is close to death what i mean is solo-pirating. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:23:00 - [55] Originally by: BleuJoJo Originally by: Tista noobs didnt have bms- WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? So THAT's what it's all about - the noobs aren't as easy to gank anymore, eh? No more shooting fish in a barrel? The game is actually challenging now? Sweet. But anyway, here's what you should do if you really want those things in your OP fixed - click! bleh you missed the point completley. noob in that case refers to those whome cant be bothered to buy them.. i have been playing for 2 years and not had a single bm.. other than the station one.. tanking sentrys in a gank fitted ship is quite hard. since most haulers/passers by can now just nano up their ship and insta warp away it's pretty hard to grab them. I used to belt hunt but then people stopped coming into 0.4-0.1 because the risk/reward wasn't worth it. I have an indy character who can make 20mil an hour in high sec space.. and only 30 in 0.0-low sec.. not worth the time.. and with more reward it would mean miners come out and miners would need protection so that would bring my pvp targets back. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Tista well to be honest.. im fedup of owning a caldari pilot.. i used to have an amarr recon pilot and run around my home system eating noobies alive sneaky style.. now i got a caldari pilot and they cant pvp for crap.. or am i missing something (if so please tell me 2 months of ****e pvp is making me want to revert to WoW) Says it all really doesn't it. You see preying on newbies actually can cause more of an impact on CCPs business as you drive more players out the game, and shock of shock they are a business and in business its about making money. Try forming a corp and using the wardec option, or head out into low sec space, where soon you'll find many of the level mission 4 runners will be traversing.
Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:32:00 - [57] Stop whining.
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Tista its about combat with other ships yes, but when every other ship i meet can just run away due to a lack of tackling ability i find it quite hard to do so. I used to kill command ships and battleships, taking on multiple targets at once, most pvpers in eve unless they are noobs work in fleets.. i work solo and i try to take on a challenge. ganking is all fare and well and yes killing noobs is quite fun too but when a noob can roll up after 2 months playing in a nos-domi and obliterate my battleships i find it quite hard to just sit quietly and not say anything. When i say pvp is close to death what i mean is solo-pirating. Hah hah hah you got pwned by a newbie in a battleship. That is hilarious....
BleuJoJo	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:34:00 - [59] So now the nosdomis are your problem? You keep changing the subject of your rants more often than most people change their underwear. Originally by: Tista noob in that case refers to those whome cant be bothered to buy them.. i have been playing for 2 years and not had a single bm.. So you admit to being a noob yourself, then? In this case, disregard my previous post - ganking other noobs is completely fine if you are one yourself.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:34:00 - [60] wanna try taking on my alt's domi in ur ship mate? i garentee you will lose:) Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?



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