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Tista	Posted - 2007.04.19 01:58:00 - [91] Originally by: Selena 001 Originally by: Tista "Eve attracts the bullying culture, meaning you don't have to make a point.. just get more people to laugh with you." Thats irony if ever I saw it. What exactly do you think your doing in empire atm? Cause from a neutral point of view, it looks like small groups ganking lone mission runners. You (being your alliance) attracted SOOOOO much attention, you dug your own grave. Only now your standing neck deep in it do you realise you have no-one but yourselves to blame. If you'd spent less time blabbing about how well you were doing you might have even gotten a few extra months out of it... lol you think im priv? nooo nono you're wrong.. i decided to jump on the whine about things wagon and go for a ride.. ofcourse my post has no meaning.. much like your lives.. tis true you know. the meaning of life is to find the meaning for life and i think i had a little too much to drink! Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.04.19 09:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Audemed Anyone who says bubbles are avoidable has never jumped in to a mobile large warp disruptor before. If someone deploys a large bubble on a gate they mean business, and by that I mean camp of "hello I stick out like a sore thumb on the map jump in here and die thank you very much"... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:13:00 - [93] Originally by: Audemed Anyone who says bubbles are avoidable has never jumped in to a mobile large warp disruptor before. They are; I have.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:55:00 - [94] The only thing that I agree is about WTZ. Was more fun without it... but would need to be without BM also. Likse any jump is imprecise up to 5 km... so you warp to zero but can land anywhere at a 5km radius. It was much more fun both for victim and campers when the camp was on other side. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:57:00 - [95] Originally by: Audemed Anyone who says bubbles are avoidable has never jumped in to a mobile large warp disruptor before. these are hard to avoid, but are very far from common. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:05:00 - [96] Originally by: Tyanni "Damn warp to 0km at gates means I rarely gank anyone" --- Its been said by someone else, the other side of a gate does exist you know. 0km only came in to replace Insta bm's which was contributing to lag within the game. Ever been to Minmatar space? You jump through and the guy is 50km from you. - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it)
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:07:00 - [97] Originally by: Awox Originally by: Tyanni "Damn warp to 0km at gates means I rarely gank anyone" --- Its been said by someone else, the other side of a gate does exist you know. 0km only came in to replace Insta bm's which was contributing to lag within the game. Ever been to Minmatar space? You jump through and the guy is 50km from you. QFT. I don't camp but I've seen a lot about this and for those who do (especially those who are protecting territory like alliances) this is an issue. -----
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:35:00 - [98] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 19/04/2007 11:31:59 Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! I just say: whatever is nerfed or changed and cause whining ... learn to adapt and evolve. You warp to 0 but you jump to the other side. Campers always adapt to the new circumstances. 0.4-0.1 can be very exciting. Visit eg. Thelan area and find out. 0.0 is not filled with bubbles. Till now I never had one. My 0.0 was surprisingly silent and +safe½ for ratting. And if: I have some b-plan to get through it or not. Dive into the game, accept changes ... get a chance to adapt and evolve. It's the same way reallife works. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Utopiana	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Tista Originally by: Patch86 Wars have not been nerfed. Having 50 wars has been nerfed. having 1 meaningful war against someone you consider a genuine enemy works just the same as always. tis expensive, im a solo pilot i prefer to work alone and 200-250mil a war-dec is too much for me. in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission then requested the isk to stop.. great fun. canny do that now Your way of doing wars, others see as harrasement. War should be expensive, and the smaller the corp declaring the war the more expensive it should be. Wars cost isk, not only for you and your target but for the entire enviroment around the war, other players, other corporation that depends on either of the corps in war for making their buisess go around, other npc corps losing income because costomers avoid a war filled area. It's not hard to justify heavy war bills for small corps especailly in empire high security systems. Other games have pvp restrictions, if a player want to avoid pvp they can do so by their choice of server, or choice of actions within the game. That power is entirely left in the players hands in Eve, so as long player have the total power of deciding to take unvanted targets in to forced pvp, it should cost heavily on the agressors wallet. You wont lose the option to force pvp on the non-interested player, but it will sometimes cost you as much or even more then your target to do so. If you where really interested in a pvp challenge, you would seek out the pvp enviroment in eve, and not been in here complaining about forcing people that does not seek pvp is becomming to expensive. Think of it as ccp turning tables, before you could force pvp on the not interested player as often you wanted, now ccp forces the pvp interested to seek out the pvp enviroment instead. In my opinion wars are still way to cheap, there should be considerable difference of the price (as bribes etc) to make concord and the big npc corporations in high security look the other way. An alliance of 700 members might get away with a million or two a week, cause they otherwise pull heavy weight of their strenght and the npc corporations would rather avoid a big alliance like that on their bad side. While a single person corp or a 10-20 man corp, why would a npc corporation with outstanding 350 bilion shares fear those? In their eyes a small corp like that would be just a memory a week after they crushed them to dust finacially and with power, and the bill those small corps had to pay for them to look the other way would be significally higher then for the big alliance that asked the same thing. I see you'r wish in your posts, but i dont see any reasons you make to why it should be like you suggest? You post things like "in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission " this is the best example of what classify and act of harrasement, by any standard. if you instead had posted " I scare them in to submission" it could be funded on a roleplaying fundation. make me think that most of your corp wars are in fact fought out in the local chat rater then in space.
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:20:00 - [100] Before you all leave to play WOW, let me say this: "L2P". You are most likely going to see that a lot on the WOW forums, it means "Learn To Play", that is what the friendly people in WOW will tell you when you whine on their forums. So in conclusion: L2P /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:39:00 - [101] Originally by: Utopiana Originally by: Tista Originally by: Patch86 Wars have not been nerfed. Having 50 wars has been nerfed. having 1 meaningful war against someone you consider a genuine enemy works just the same as always. tis expensive, im a solo pilot i prefer to work alone and 200-250mil a war-dec is too much for me. in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission then requested the isk to stop.. great fun. canny do that now hits the nail on the head there! pvp in this game is fine! the op is just whining coz now they now find it hard to take the preverbial candy from the Eve Infants! go pick on someone yr own age or skill base....theres pleny of people out there for pvp...only problem is..they hit back Your way of doing wars, others see as harrasement. War should be expensive, and the smaller the corp declaring the war the more expensive it should be. Wars cost isk, not only for you and your target but for the entire enviroment around the war, other players, other corporation that depends on either of the corps in war for making their buisess go around, other npc corps losing income because costomers avoid a war filled area. It's not hard to justify heavy war bills for small corps especailly in empire high security systems. Other games have pvp restrictions, if a player want to avoid pvp they can do so by their choice of server, or choice of actions within the game. That power is entirely left in the players hands in Eve, so as long player have the total power of deciding to take unvanted targets in to forced pvp, it should cost heavily on the agressors wallet. You wont lose the option to force pvp on the non-interested player, but it will sometimes cost you as much or even more then your target to do so. If you where really interested in a pvp challenge, you would seek out the pvp enviroment in eve, and not been in here complaining about forcing people that does not seek pvp is becomming to expensive. Think of it as ccp turning tables, before you could force pvp on the not interested player as often you wanted, now ccp forces the pvp interested to seek out the pvp enviroment instead. In my opinion wars are still way to cheap, there should be considerable difference of the price (as bribes etc) to make concord and the big npc corporations in high security look the other way. An alliance of 700 members might get away with a million or two a week, cause they otherwise pull heavy weight of their strenght and the npc corporations would rather avoid a big alliance like that on their bad side. While a single person corp or a 10-20 man corp, why would a npc corporation with outstanding 350 bilion shares fear those? In their eyes a small corp like that would be just a memory a week after they crushed them to dust finacially and with power, and the bill those small corps had to pay for them to look the other way would be significally higher then for the big alliance that asked the same thing. I see you'r wish in your posts, but i dont see any reasons you make to why it should be like you suggest? You post things like "in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission " this is the best example of what classify and act of harrasement, by any standard. if you instead had posted " I scare them in to submission" it could be funded on a roleplaying fundation. make me think that most of your corp wars are in fact fought out in the local chat rater then in space.
Sarah O'Neill	Posted - 2007.04.19 13:47:00 - [102] Are you guys only hunting carebears? Oh, will one of the next patches stop cowards? PA + Low-Sec-Pirates are not looking for real pvp, you are looking for a safe and bored kill (sitting hours at a dockingbay or elsewhere like a dosser and killing haulers and shuttles). So who is the real carebear now? YES YES YES - I'll love this summer-update, I hope it would work CCP!!! PA has to pay for hell and hell for carebearkillers (them)! Or come to 0.0, where we can fight 24hours a day without any wardec. Got it now?
Terrapin Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:10:00 - [103] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! It's fine, learn to play. It's not fine. It's never been fine. Tolerable at best, but pvp and the eve community as a whole, have never been in a worse state than it is currently (imnsho). I've been around since beta (with large gaps of absence in between) and I returned a couple of months ago. Ever since I started playing way back in 2003 I've been pursuing a solo career (with a few short corporation memberships in between - but I've since decided corp life is not for me). Initially I'd decided on a career as a bounty hunter, but that road proved a waste of time pretty quickly and has never recovered. The game I bought promised me on the box it came in: "Conspire with thousands of others to bring the galaxy to its knees, or go at it alone and share the glory with no one." This, much like the bounty hunter career, has proven to be a hollow promise. I only have a single account, play only one character on it, and I'm not a 'power gamer'. I only play a couple of hours a week max, mostly in the weekends. For example; last weekend, after having increased my wallet to an acceptable level grinding missions for several weeks, I returned to low-sec space to look for targets to pit myself against. This proved to be an utter waste of time. After having flown around for several hours for 4 days in a row and having every potential target warp away I decided to just float around an asteroid belt and wait for the targets to come to me. After a while two targets appear and start engaging.. woohoo.. combat at last. The odds were stacked against me, but what the hell, I was happy enough to have found a challenge finally, so I decide to stick around. A couple of seconds after combat commenced, 7 more gang mates warp in and they proceed to blast my ship to pieces in mere seconds, with me being warp jammed, target jammed and having my capacitor sucked dry all at the same time. Then my screen froze as a result of my ship exploding and I found myself back at the cloning station... What fun! Don't get me wrong, I don't mind losing my ship (it was only an assault frig anyway), or my pod. I'd fully expected that when I set off to low sec space. What I do mind is the complete lack of fun, on both sides. (I decided to ask one of my agressors to explain to me afterwards what the fun is in blasting a frigate to bits in a 9v1 gankfest, but I was simply told I'm just a noob . So if anyone else can clear up that bit for me it'd be much appreciated) Anyway.. I have since drawn my conclusions and even though pvp may not be dead entirely, solo pvp most definately is dead, and buried. For a long time I've hoped the devs might be able to steer away from having Eve Online turn into Grief Online completely, and finally make solo bounty hunting a viable career choice, but I don't see that happening anymore. At least not without me having to give up my prefered playstyle. So I guess this will be my last contribution to this forum. I've finally become completely fed up with the testosterone powered, e-peen swinging 'community' and CCP's continuous carrot dangling. In closing I just want to send my regards to the (relatively few) fine pilots I did have the pleasure to fly alongside of, or fight against (you know who you are). o/ So long, and thanks for all the fish. Terrapin signing off PS. No, you can't have my stuff
Korcahn Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:17:00 - [104] This thread reminds me why I hate forums. Over-exaggerating patch changes for the lose. ___________________________________
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:18:00 - [105] Just fit nanos and win eve ;) N.F.F. Recruitment - Killboard Mirroring tool
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:54:00 - [106] I agree with most of your later points, in that EvE is now too crowded and mid-sized groups of old, hardcore players are very hard to beat. However you're just going to be told to adapt and quit whining. You could always try joining a hardcore pvp corp and give it a whirl. Plus, why did you change your old char for a caldari one? Burn Eden and a couple others do amazing things with caldari, but they do seem to be hard to make work in PvP. Amarr at least have the curse/pilgrim...
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.04.21 16:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Tista WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? noobs didnt have bms So you're saying PVP has gotten worse because you can't pirate n00bs? You fit the description of a munchkin.
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:46:00 - [108] END = NEAR YOUR BASE = ALL MINES ALL TEARS = MY JOY
Ahz	Posted - 2007.04.24 05:28:00 - [109] Originally by: Tista 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Dude, you've completely contridicted yourself. Go to 0.0 and jump into a bubble blob. Instant PvP.
Matrix Aran Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.24 05:48:00 - [110] The irony of things of late is there seems to be a recent increase in whine threads of the lack of PVP, yet last time I checked, Eve is involved in the biggest war it has ever seen. I can't say I understand how PVP is dying with all this lovely death around me. ----
Hesed Amarr Hamartia.	Posted - 2007.04.24 07:42:00 - [111] Every patch results that pvp requires more intel. Which means pvp is less random and more predictable. Predictable conflict means more focus on attrition/numbers. Ganks just become another isk source for the "real conflict." Focus on numbers results in less and less involvement from the individual on both tactics, and game objectives. It's agreeable if you're into organization and not universally hated and avoided. Alas. - Good. + - Bad.
Cenmocay76	Posted - 2007.06.08 06:52:00 - [112] Originally by: RedFall I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. That's where real PvP is. real pvp ?...its a joke¦ grow up
Tom Gunn Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.08 07:01:00 - [113] Originally by: Cenmocay76 real pvp ?...its a joke¦ grow up Bumping old threads / necromancy ? Me thinks your the one who should grow up.
JoCool MASS	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:09:00 - [114] Edited by: JoCool on 08/06/2007 08:09:21 Group PvE will not work in EVE unless there's live aggro-management. Also, 0 seconds lock times are necessary so the healers can quickly heal others as well as themselves and for the tanks to quickly pull lost aggro fast. If we have that NPCs will be allowed get stronger. For the 0.0 part, simply go for it. You'll learn how to avoid bubble camps and soon move freely through unreg. Use your brain though. Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:36:00 - [115] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! 1. Get on the other damned side of the gate. Half of Eve is about adapting to change. 2. Wrong, much of lowsec is populated. If the area you're in isn't, move. Again, adapt. 3. Get a clue. Seriously. My corp has just spent quite a while running rings around bubble blobs in a small gang, destroying isolated enemy ships at will and generally having great fun (<3 FREGE). Either scan the bubble and go round it, or find a different route. Adapt. 4. No they haven't, they've been changed so you can't declare war on the entirety of Eve. You can still declare war on whoever the hell you like, just not everyone at once. Adapt. 5. The one point I'll partially agree on. Currently carebears do get it good, particularly mission runners. That will change. They will whine. I'll tell them to adapt too. 6. So what it things have more HP? Longer fights = prolonged fun. If something escapes due to more HP, tough. Modify your setup to kill them or tackle them better. Modify your tactics to allow no escape. Adapt. 7. Caldari don't suck, their ships are designed for different roles than other races. In pvp I fly a mixture of Caldari and Gallente, depending on the type of fleet tactics being used. Neither race is any less effective at its chosen role. And if you really hate Caldari so much, train another race. Adapt. Long story short, Eve is changing and you don't like it. If people like you would stop whining and start thinking about how you can deal with the changes ingame you wouldn't have so many problems. Eve requires you to adapt to changes. Each race, each ship class. They all have their nerfs and buffs. Oh, and can I have your stuff?
Sian Tairnesh Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:42:00 - [116] I know this thread was started two months ago, but still... Originally by: Tista tis expensive, im a solo pilot i prefer to work alone and 200-250mil a war-dec is too much for me. in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission then requested the isk to stop.. great fun. canny do that now Yeah. Did you know that this is an Massively Multiplayer ORPG? And wars aren't fought one against many. That's either piracy or terrorism (to use a rather strong term). I get the feeling that you are just another newbie hunter with a low self-esteem.
Damares Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:01:00 - [117] for one wtz is just like bookmarks, also, pvping on gates is just the same aslong as you camp on the other side of the gate.... which is better anyway as you can just camp on low sec high sec boarders. i went through about 300jumps of 0.0 scouting a few weeks ago through alliance territories and ran into 3 bubbles all of which i escaped from anyway, i eventualy got caught in a dead end system and had to give myself up to the locals for sake of boredom.... wars are just the same as long as you dont war dec about 200 corps.... carebears have it all too good? carebears adapt to problems, and if your having a hard time pvping, your not pvping in the right places, you cant force someone to fight you if they dont put themselves at risk... HP boost is fine it makes fights more fun and interesting caldari, meh, cross-training ftw. also, WoW pvp is never ever exciting, nothing to loose= booooring. no other game gets your heart racing like eve, WoW pvp is just frustrating getting ganked not fun... and if you pvp just to **** people off and not for fun then meh. go ahead, wow is the place for you
Toubo	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:09:00 - [118] There is no PvP in EVE period only griefing.
Anehra X-Fire	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:45:00 - [119] Originally by: Cleveland Steam Originally by: Tista tbh he's right. About what? WoW > Eve? Id rather not argue that point because its one of opinion but I still think thats a harsh criticizm...maybe even just knee-jerk. That game is trash anymore. Addictive trash. What he said was: Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting "WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting." I play roughly 3 hours of WoW/week. Maybe 5 hours, tops. I play probably 50-70 hours of EVE/week. EVE > WoW. But he is right, WoW pvp is alot more exciting nowadays, unlike what it used to be. How come? In WoW I log in, takes me 1 sec to click the battlemaster and I get a battleground. Instant, fast-paced pvp. EVE is still better, from a million aspects, the financial and political aspects - to mention a few. The loss when getting shot down, the risks, the thrill. But just like he said, in EVE I need 40 people to blob up to get PvP - and that is generally 5 hours of waiting to gank 3 shuttles, right? While in WoW I log in and get instant, fast-paced PvP. Do you remember when it was like that in EVE? Log in, undock with your cruiser, find a belt nearby and start shoot the first guy/gal you see. It actually used to be like that. Yes, it's true. There's a reason I call them "Ca(m)pitals" and I want all warp bubbles removed, totally. Mobile jumpdrives on certain ships would be great as well, at least give backdoor alternativs into systems, reduce the bottlenecks. He never said WoW > EVE tho. And neither say I. Tho, I agree with Cleveland Steam that wow pvp is turning more exciting.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:21:00 - [120] 1) This is flamebait. 2) If you think PvP is dying, you aren't looking hard enough. Looking for a relaxed ingame RP channel to join? La Maison De Tous Les Plaisirs

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