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Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:34:00 - [1] Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:37:00 - [2] I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. That's where real PvP is.
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Tista Carebears have it all to damn good. /Discuss! Carebears have it too damn good in what way? You can't just pick them off at your leisure or what?
Portios Smith Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:39:00 - [4] You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:41:00 - [5] Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting im actualy crying.. because it's true... after kali and the ultra pirate nerf beating i resorted to WoW.. i spend more time on that than this.. i want real pvp back.. the good old days of people in low sec pirating small time.. and pirate hunters... not all this fancy 30 man blobbage and battleships being nearly invincible ( read prv whine thread)... Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Marcathonas Minmatar Zephyr Manufacturing Group SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:42:00 - [6] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps You know there's an other side to gates, right? I'm still getting a healthy amount of ganks. As for no-one being in lowsec, relocate. I've found plenty of lowsec systems with an average of 10 residents per system the entire constellation, and they're good to slaughter for a few weeks if not months. 0.0, eh. Bubbles are avoidable if you know how to operate a scanner. HP boost makes things take longer to kill, not harder. Yeah you're whining or don't know what you're talking about, sorry.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:43:00 - [7] CCP backtrack Eve completley till 2006 summer and leave it at that... no more crappy changes.. it was good back then! when people moaned about ECM and frigates didnt take 30 odd bs rounds to pop Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:43:00 - [8] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! have you ever even been to 0.0? ______________________ Interested?
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:43:00 - [9] Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting If you want to make a point, at least use something believable to do it. Fetus Balloon?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:44:00 - [10] Originally by: Marcathonas Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps You know there's an other side to gates, right? I'm still getting a healthy amount of ganks. As for no-one being in lowsec, relocate. I've found plenty of lowsec systems with an average of 10 residents per system the entire constellation, and they're good to slaughter for a few weeks if not months. 0.0, eh. Bubbles are avoidable if you know how to operate a scanner. HP boost makes things take longer to kill, not harder. Yeah you're whining or don't know what you're talking about, sorry. well to be honest.. im fedup of owning a caldari pilot.. i used to have an amarr recon pilot and run around my home system eating noobies alive sneaky style.. now i got a caldari pilot and they cant pvp for crap.. or am i missing something (if so please tell me 2 months of **e pvp is making me want to revert to WoW) Originally by:** Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? Bubbles are avoidable. Wars are not a free time in empire, just pick your targets. Things taking longer to kill making you organise a skirmish instead of a gank? Awwww :( Caldari what? ~Ryoji Tanakama
Portios Smith Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Cleveland Steam Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting If you want to make a point, at least use something believable to do it. It is, in WoW you need 40 people blobs to PVE but solo PvP is there, in EVE you need 40 people blobs so that solo PVE may flourish I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:49:00 - [13] noobs didnt have bms- WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? if you got intell yes- Bubbles are avoidable. Wars are not a free time in empire, just pick your targets. meh..-Things taking longer to kill making you organise a skirmish i miss ganking -instead of a gank? Awwww :( Caldari sucks monkey-Caldari what? Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:50:00 - [14] Wars have not been nerfed. Having 50 wars has been nerfed. having 1 meaningful war against someone you consider a genuine enemy works just the same as always. --------
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:51:00 - [15] Edited by: Vincent Gaines on 17/04/2007 21:48:23 Quote: Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps Instas existed long before.... Quote: 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there Fly through Rancer during peak hours :) Quote: 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs completely false. 0.0 has many random roaming gangs through it, and bubbles are not common. But then again, were't you just upset over warp to 0 not catching anyone? Quote: Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Nope, they've just been given a stacking penalty, 'tis all. Quote: Carebears have it all to damn good. They make no money, and life a boring existance.. not very good IMO Quote: HP boost makes things harder to kill... fights last longer Quote: Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! lol
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:52:00 - [16] Originally by: Patch86 Wars have not been nerfed. Having 50 wars has been nerfed. having 1 meaningful war against someone you consider a genuine enemy works just the same as always. tis expensive, im a solo pilot i prefer to work alone and 200-250mil a war-dec is too much for me. in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission then requested the isk to stop.. great fun. canny do that now Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Portios Smith It is, in WoW you need 40 people blobs to PVE but solo PvP is there, in EVE you need 40 people blobs in PVP so that solo PVE may flourish Meh. Fetus Balloon?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Cleveland Steam Originally by: Portios Smith It is, in WoW you need 40 people blobs to PVE but solo PvP is there, in EVE you need 40 people blobs in PVP so that solo PVE may flourish Meh. i see alot of kinda half way answers in this thread. by that i mean people arnt too sure to agree with the few or go with the masses. tbh he's right. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
fuxs	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting Complaints regarding PVP from someone who wardecs and blasts undocking freighters in Jita? Irony.
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Tista tbh he's right. About what? WoW > Eve? Id rather not argue that point because its one of opinion but I still think thats a harsh criticizm...maybe even just knee-jerk. That game is trash anymore. Addictive trash. Fetus Balloon?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:57:00 - [21] What a lot of people do not relise, is that pvp for many is the only fun part of eve. Dont worry privateers - Hopefully Factional Warfare will finally bring back mass empire pvp that you guys wanted. -- Billion Isk Mission
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2007.04.17 21:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Marcathonas Yeah you're whining or don't know what you're talking about, sorry. I agree. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
shoo e'nuff	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:04:00 - [23] So I don't get all this whining here. You can still Wardec corps, you can still Wardec multiple corps. You just can't Wardec EVERYONE and force your pvp preference on them. Why is this such a big deal? You can still pick on the carebears, just not all at once. Who's the master? Shoo E'nuff
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:04:00 - [24] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Tista I want to gank noobs with no effort, and I can't any more. /Discuss! Fixed for you. why should noobs be able to gank me easypies :( 25 mil sp raven VS 2x 2 month old domi's. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Cleveland Steam Neverland Ranch Hands	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Marquis Dean Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting Sadly the truth. I barely ever undock anymore. The best thing WoW has to offer is the humor. Example: Yo' mama's so fat, it takes 2 warlocks to summon her. That and all of the ridiculous stereotypes, YTMND's, and e-cliches they've generated by bringing together 6 million teenagers. The monkeys->Shakespear thing comes to mind. Fetus Balloon?
Altrex Stoppel Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! Made me lol. Msot of 0.0 is so farking empty its not even funny. The parts that are full of bubble blobs can be avoided I mean use the map. Originally by: ISD Mod-hango (talking about SNOWY) It's a pirate corp, deployed near the amarr gates.
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:14:00 - [27] Edited by: Soporo on 17/04/2007 22:14:00 ] Quote: Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps Use the other side, use a sb'ing Rokh, use the belts use your brains. Quote: 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there Your right, because it isnt worth it to anyone with sense, or anyone that has 0.0 access. Quote: 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs No it isnt. Oh if you come up the pipe with a big gang that has been noticed, sure, your gonna get dictored.(assuming you have crappy scouts, and dont know wtf your doing.) Quote: Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Not, The price of multiple wars has just gone up. Quote: Carebears have it all to damn good. Whatever, frankly you havent a damn clue if you think Miners have it good. Quote: HP boost makes things harder to kill... Gank you mean. Quote: Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! No we don't, unless you insist on soloing with cookie cutter configurations, you can dec enough people to make you happy, you just cant dec EVERYONE now. Quote: Discuss! Just did.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:14:00 - [28] Originally by: Altrex Stoppel Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! Made me lol. Msot of 0.0 is so farking empty its not even funny. The parts that are full of bubble blobs can be avoided I mean use the map. 30000 players devided by 5000 systems? average of 6 people per system, now consider that 3% of players are in jita, then consider that 60-70% are in 0.5+ and what you got left devided between the 4000 low sec systems Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:20:00 - [29] Originally by: Tista 30000 players devided by 5000 systems? average of 6 people per system, now consider that 3% of players are in jita, then consider that 60-70% are in 0.5+ and what you got left devided between the 4000 low sec systems All very well and good, but do you visit 0.0 often? I once found a nice system about 7 jumps from an open ISS station (this being back in the day) with some decent ratting. You know, about 1 million bounty tops, a good enough spread to chain. I set up camp there for about a week, didn't see a single other person there, even once. Its all there for the looking for. A determined roaming ganker will find enough soloers too keep himself entertained. Not the same kind of intensity of camping a bottleneck or being in Privateers, but enough to make the subscription worth paying for. Theres plenty of 0.0 pirate corps who entertain themselves well without resorting to bubble camping or POS warfare. Take Triumvirate for example. Been harassing FLA, IRON and D2 effectively since time immemorial. --------
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:25:00 - [30] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Tista 30000 players devided by 5000 systems? average of 6 people per system, now consider that 3% of players are in jita, then consider that 60-70% are in 0.5+ and what you got left devided between the 4000 low sec systems All very well and good, but do you visit 0.0 often? I once found a nice system about 7 jumps from an open ISS station (this being back in the day) with some decent ratting. You know, about 1 million bounty tops, a good enough spread to chain. I set up camp there for about a week, didn't see a single other person there, even once. Its all there for the looking for. A determined roaming ganker will find enough soloers too keep himself entertained. Not the same kind of intensity of camping a bottleneck or being in Privateers, but enough to make the subscription worth paying for. Theres plenty of 0.0 pirate corps who entertain themselves well without resorting to bubble camping or POS warfare. Take Triumvirate for example. Been harassing FLA, IRON and D2 effectively since time immemorial. is it just me who sees a problem with this both ways? not enough people and too many people? Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:39:00 - [31] Look guys, Factional Warfare is around the corner - Think Privater style pvp time ten. Or times a Tenth depending on how it is implemented -- Billion Isk Mission
Gong	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:41:00 - [32] Edited by: Gong on 17/04/2007 22:42:19 50 wars isn't paying to go to war against your enemies, 50 wars is paying to convert high-sec into 0.0 to have unrestricted pvp. But fees and war restriction are only ingame to prevent such a situation in the first place. With privateers it turned out that fees and war restrictions failed to do their job and so it gets patched. If this patch is the way it should be, don't know, but I know that high-sec isn't supposed to be turned into 0.0, if you come up with an idea that beats the game mechanics and makes almost unlimited pvp in high-sec possible. Then CCP reacts and simply changes the game mechanics. You forgot the nanophoons already ? They were fine for me. I had a lot of fun flying them. It wasn't a cheat, I used what CCP gave me to maximize my fun. Almost unlimited freedom with a BS. But CCP had a different view, on how battleship combat is supposed to be and so they just changed the game mechanics. Same thing, doesn't matter if it's about high sec or about ships.
Portios Smith Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 22:51:00 - [33] Originally by: Lord WarATron Look guys, Factional Warfare is around the corner - Think Privater style pvp time ten. Or times a Tenth depending on how it is implemented You mean node crashing blobs like the ones you are so familiar with I want the truth You can't handle the truth - Ductoris
ProjectSeven z3r0 Gravity FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:14:00 - [34] Man, seems the OP is using a lot of uneducated statements. In my opinion, the PVP in WoW wasn't as intense. Adrenalin is all about risks. When you have nothing on the line except a couple repair bills and a bit of pride that will lose the thrill fast. Now with EVE, you all know how much is on the line. /signature oh god damnit.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:16:00 - [35] Why do people whine about warp to 0? Are they just whiny and incapable of adapting? Why is it that hardcore pirates don't complain and still gank people all the time? Do you forget why they added wtz in the first place? Instas anyone? - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - "We need to invent a new Clue Super Weapon... Something that distributes clue on a never before seen level." -Cpt Psycho
Karash Amerius Amarr O.E.C Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:36:00 - [36] Some people like to play Eve on "Hard" mode. PVP isnt about sitting in Jita (legally) ganking haulers. Merc Blog
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:38:00 - [37] PVP isn't dead. We've had no trouble finding fights in Feythabolis, and not just bubbled gate ganks either but nice 20 vs 20 scraps. The only thing that's really killing pvp is POS warfare. It's boring, laggy and boring. That and DD's.
Tolomea Gallente 5th Front enterprises New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:39:00 - [38] Edited by: Tolomea on 17/04/2007 23:35:10 Originally by: Tista Eve is sloping down hill.. has done over the last 5 months. amen to that, but I don't see what your problem is, go read the latest dev blog, they are finally going to do something about it.
Black Spy	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:45:00 - [39] To be fair, EVE PVP has always been on the brink of dying (According to what I read on the forums) I have yet to see any evidence of it. I find loads of PVP. Good PVP too, fair fights, not ganks and fleet fights. You just got to look and know where. Woops, I forgot to select my main!
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:45:00 - [40] ^ Wrong Character ^
Ke Jung Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.04.17 23:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Xelios The only thing that's really killing pvp is POS warfare. It's boring, laggy and boring. That and DD's. Hows your foot? Must be a bit painful after shooting it like that.
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.04.18 00:00:00 - [42] really, my last little pvp roam was action packed tbh. Not ideal for solo player, i'm just solo roaming atm, but once i join a corp again ideal for 2-5 man gangs. Multiple 1 man engaments on a gate. - note to self: gank mega can;t tank sentries too well. Avoided a 15+ infod gatecamp. - ideal small gang fight Played around a few random outbreak guys. 2-3 man gang could have ganked and got some good fights. Bumped into some lowsec alliance. - Ran around, got engaged by a pest and had a nice fight. Dies to his m8's but had i rigged my mega I could have taken both the tempest and the myrm imho. All in lowsec, all within about 2-3 hours roaming. Yea solo sucks a bit for pvp but small gang is alive and well from what i've seen. -----
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:19:00 - [43] Edited by: Tista on 18/04/2007 10:16:29 well i've always found that when i fly solo i make alot more isk doing pvp than in gangs.. i've been doing gang warefare for a few weeks and i have spent over 500mil.. and only made about 10mil (i haven't lost anything i just enjoy spending).. where as when i was doing solo work i spent about 15mil on new drones and made about 700mil. since my main is a caldari main hybrid character it's quite hard fighting solo anyway since most caldari ships are designed to work in a fleet, which basicly means i trade out my caldari pilot for another (still looking btw) or i train another race to a point where every other noob isn't just going to beat me down. I've got 24million sp already and yes a few other skills than caldari but at the end of the day spending nearly 2.5 years training for a race then not having the decent choice of doing solo PvP well kinda.. sucks. As i said in my "boost caldari" thread i think caldari/sheild tankers should get some form of low slot tackling gear.. make it so we replace gank for tackle or tank for tackle.. or atleast boost caldari ships base agility/speed. I know most of the enargy and such is ment to go to the sheilds but c'mon slowest ships in the game, unable to PvP solo in almost all of our ships.. it's kinda harsh and it's not like they labeld it at the begining "this race can not solo PvP" it's just like "oh wow sheilds and missiles.. techno race!" I'm fedup of being docked all day and i dont want to have to spend another 4 months training for a 2nd race or trade my character. my 6.5mil sp in Engineering is close to being wasted because if i do go to another race all my lvl 5 sheild skills will be worthless because sheild users can't tackle and tank effectivly. Please CCP give us low slot tackling gear! Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Hannobaal Gallente Utopian Frontier	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:32:00 - [44] So, because it is now slightly more difficult for you to kill random helpless newbie pilots, there is a problem? The game is not there for you to get all the super easy kills you want. Why would you not want your game to be challenging? And most of 0.0 is empty. 0.4 and 0.3 on the other hand are full of people. Maybe if you weren't busy abusing the war declarations to get easy kills on defenseless targets in highsec you wouldn't have such a flawed view of the rest of Eve. ------------------ "If you ever need anything, please don't Hesitate to ask someone else first."
Del Narveux Obsidian Angels Enterprises	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:34:00 - [45] Originally by: Black Spy I find loads of PVP. Good PVP too, fair fights, not ganks and fleet fights. You just got to look and know where. But see, thats the difference right there. When people ** and moan on the forums about how pvp sucks, its usually because theyre gonna lose ezmode and would actually have to work for their kills. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by:** Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:39:00 - [46] Originally by: RedFall I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. That's where real PvP is. /signed so hard. Sign my thread - Dev Response needed
Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:39:00 - [47] ye pvp in eve sucks... i might be lazy but it aint fun chasing people around like it is now only to see them logoff... or a domi entering which a 3 months old toon pilots only to ***a 3 year old raven pilot-. that sucks majorly.. ccp should consider making batlle arenas where u can duel people. like ohh there is an enemy in local i want so bad to waste him. then i should be able to offer him a duel or something.. bahh dont know.. also people have to start not worying about loosing ships... its just isk ffs.. and isk can be made again. who cares what and how u loose your **, aslong as it was fun dying.. get my point ? hmmmm ccp nerf pvp---
Disco Flint Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:42:00 - [48] Originally by: Tista Edited by: Tista on 18/04/2007 10:16:29 snip Please CCP give us low slot tackling gear! Oh yeah, and then please give us mid slot damage and fitting mods! And low slot EWar, that'll un-nerf Amarr too! And infact mirror everything onto every race! No. Caldari aren't bad at PvP. Most of their ships aren't built for solo'ing, but for gang work. So either train up for ships that can solo better or get a mate. Two caldari ships can each spare a slot for tackling. Oh, and a lot of noobs had instas the old days. I know I made mine as a noob like the 2nd day I went into lowsec.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:51:00 - [49] There is also the factor of doing fleet/gang warfare of not having the challange of "It's your ship vs my ship" it's more about who can pull the biggest ship into the feild first or who can get more people to kill them.. no skill involved what-so ever in that.. and not much fun either. The most amount of fun i've had in a gang was when i was with my friend in his hyperion and i was in my abaddon.. tanking 13 people at once (this was back in the day of 3 nano aux pumps and nano-phoons).. it took them a good 15 minutes to bring us both down but my god it was worth losing 500mil for that 15 minutes.. amazing fun in that. No challenge = no thrill = no fun = bored = station docked perm. I miss the good old days of people actualy belt ratting in my home system (Carrou) and it being fun and challenging to know that if i engage this person there might be 2 more on the other side of a gate. But since eve has been flipped around wildly like it has for the last few months it's gotten alot harder, things such as the myrmidon.. the bc capable of bringing down battleships and tanking a small gang while it's doing so, or the drake.. capable of tanking a full gank fitted ac maelstrom. The HP boost meaning people don't fit plates anymore.. not so much dragging out combat.. just more making the hard to kill ships even harder to kill. Ever tried taking down a domi solo in a megathron or raven? Before the updates it was possible but now.. cap warefare has become the king of combat and people can just leech until there is nothing left and since caldari has the worst cap in the game they have been hit hard by it, yes yes we have passive tanks but in solo pvp you want short sharp engagments not 20minute long fights where half way through you can go to the toilet or make a sandwich. The introduction of rigs has also pushed the game overboard.. i mean when i used to see a megathron i would instantly think.. "avoid guns and hit it as hard as i can as fast as i can!" With rigs megathrons and ships alike can now tank & gank at the same time.. or be mass gank or mass tank, anyone ever seen a megathron with t2 neutrons 2 damage mods 2 damage rigs 5 ogre II and a heavy gun skilled pilot? Or an abaddon with 2 reps 5 nos and 85% resists? with the addition of rigs to the game it has shifted the balance in favour of the rich and people with a fast decent income.. before rigs eve was a little weird since the hp boost and the new ships.. then rigs were intoduced and it became 200mil for a half decent battleship.. i remember when i was spending 130mil on a megathron and it being an amazing ship.. now i have to spend nearly double that. Eve is ment to be about balance but the recent changes (and i say recent i mean last few months) have flipped it all around pretty much screwing people who want to solo pvp. Ships that can tank 5 other ships at once, and gank ships that dont even need to tank to kill.. now notice none of the ships mentioned before were caldari.. thats because i think they were hit hardest by all these new patches. People say "oh yes but you have the drake which can tank loads" well tanking is one thing but since everyone knows it can tank they either dont engage them or dont primary them. The best hope of solo pvp i have is a torp/damper raven which by the way is extremley volatile, and since solo pvp relies on a combination of speed, tank, DPS and tackle ability i think the raven lacks. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 10:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Disco Flint Originally by: Tista Edited by: Tista on 18/04/2007 10:16:29 snip Please CCP give us low slot tackling gear! Oh yeah, and then please give us mid slot damage and fitting mods! And low slot EWar, that'll un-nerf Amarr too! And infact mirror everything onto every race! No. Caldari aren't bad at PvP. Most of their ships aren't built for solo'ing, but for gang work. So either train up for ships that can solo better or get a mate. Two caldari ships can each spare a slot for tackling. Oh, and a lot of noobs had instas the old days. I know I made mine as a noob like the 2nd day I went into lowsec. Mmm you make a valid point about mirroring everything into every race. I agree races should have their differences but caldari for solo pvp is nearly impossible, when we had ECM it was farley good with a raven 4 ecm, webber and scrammer + torps.. no need for a tank just ecm people into submission, but then gallente pilots ruined that with ecm domis. Gang pvp is all fare and well but when i just want to go it alone, out into the depths of space and kill things that i want to.. i don't get that choice. Yes there is ment to be someone who is always the prey for others and caldari seems to be that, the typical prey being "slow, worth taking down for the meat(loot), and un-able to really protect itself" I always thought carebears were ment to be the prey or atleast other PvP pilots. Amarr needs a boost in lasers. Gallente is fine as is.. maybe nerf the myrm. Caldari needs some form of solo ship that works. Minmatar.. not too sure i think they are okay at the moment.. maybe increase gun power by 5%. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:07:00 - [51] it would seem that CCP's main concern is getting more people to pay for accounts.. by adding more content and advertising.. rather than looking after it's customers current interests. This isn't so much a threat but more of.. well a suggestion, CCP i'm guna cancel my accounts if eve doesn't improve because i just don't play it anymore.. it used to be fun and worth my 20 quid a month but now i can see that it's not really. Improve PvP in some durastic way that isn't total imba or retarded to the masses or you will lose customers.. simple as. People play eve because it has progression, PvP, and exciting risk.. but each of these factors is being slowly removed. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:11:00 - [52] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! you do realize that you just insulted yourself because you implied quite clearly that what you consider "pvp" is really just ganking carebears otherwise you would not mention them in your post.
BleuJoJo	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Tista noobs didnt have bms- WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? So THAT's what it's all about - the noobs aren't as easy to gank anymore, eh? No more shooting fish in a barrel? The game is actually challenging now? Sweet. But anyway, here's what you should do if you really want those things in your OP fixed - click!
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:19:00 - [54] its about combat with other ships yes, but when every other ship i meet can just run away due to a lack of tackling ability i find it quite hard to do so. I used to kill command ships and battleships, taking on multiple targets at once, most pvpers in eve unless they are noobs work in fleets.. i work solo and i try to take on a challenge. ganking is all fare and well and yes killing noobs is quite fun too but when a noob can roll up after 2 months playing in a nos-domi and obliterate my battleships i find it quite hard to just sit quietly and not say anything. When i say pvp is close to death what i mean is solo-pirating. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:23:00 - [55] Originally by: BleuJoJo Originally by: Tista noobs didnt have bms- WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? So THAT's what it's all about - the noobs aren't as easy to gank anymore, eh? No more shooting fish in a barrel? The game is actually challenging now? Sweet. But anyway, here's what you should do if you really want those things in your OP fixed - click! bleh you missed the point completley. noob in that case refers to those whome cant be bothered to buy them.. i have been playing for 2 years and not had a single bm.. other than the station one.. tanking sentrys in a gank fitted ship is quite hard. since most haulers/passers by can now just nano up their ship and insta warp away it's pretty hard to grab them. I used to belt hunt but then people stopped coming into 0.4-0.1 because the risk/reward wasn't worth it. I have an indy character who can make 20mil an hour in high sec space.. and only 30 in 0.0-low sec.. not worth the time.. and with more reward it would mean miners come out and miners would need protection so that would bring my pvp targets back. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:30:00 - [56] Originally by: Tista well to be honest.. im fedup of owning a caldari pilot.. i used to have an amarr recon pilot and run around my home system eating noobies alive sneaky style.. now i got a caldari pilot and they cant pvp for crap.. or am i missing something (if so please tell me 2 months of ****e pvp is making me want to revert to WoW) Says it all really doesn't it. You see preying on newbies actually can cause more of an impact on CCPs business as you drive more players out the game, and shock of shock they are a business and in business its about making money. Try forming a corp and using the wardec option, or head out into low sec space, where soon you'll find many of the level mission 4 runners will be traversing.
Chewan Mesa Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:32:00 - [57] Stop whining.
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:32:00 - [58] Originally by: Tista its about combat with other ships yes, but when every other ship i meet can just run away due to a lack of tackling ability i find it quite hard to do so. I used to kill command ships and battleships, taking on multiple targets at once, most pvpers in eve unless they are noobs work in fleets.. i work solo and i try to take on a challenge. ganking is all fare and well and yes killing noobs is quite fun too but when a noob can roll up after 2 months playing in a nos-domi and obliterate my battleships i find it quite hard to just sit quietly and not say anything. When i say pvp is close to death what i mean is solo-pirating. Hah hah hah you got pwned by a newbie in a battleship. That is hilarious....
BleuJoJo	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:34:00 - [59] So now the nosdomis are your problem? You keep changing the subject of your rants more often than most people change their underwear. Originally by: Tista noob in that case refers to those whome cant be bothered to buy them.. i have been playing for 2 years and not had a single bm.. So you admit to being a noob yourself, then? In this case, disregard my previous post - ganking other noobs is completely fine if you are one yourself.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:34:00 - [60] wanna try taking on my alt's domi in ur ship mate? i garentee you will lose:) Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:36:00 - [61] Originally by: BleuJoJo So now the nosdomis are your problem? You keep changing the subject of your rants more often than most people change their underwear. Originally by: Tista noob in that case refers to those whome cant be bothered to buy them.. i have been playing for 2 years and not had a single bm.. So you admit to being a noob yourself, then? In this case, disregard my previous post - ganking other noobs is completely fine if you are one yourself. i'm adding mix to the eve-o forums.. i like whining because it brings out the best in people. Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Locus Bey Gallente Qalandar	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:41:00 - [62] what a bunch of whingers. the problem with EVE is to many dumb 15 yr olds are allowed to play. ganking noobs how exciting
Plib	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:43:00 - [63] Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? It allows defenseless noobs to travel safely preventing the piwat from getting a free kill. Pirates that used to work for their kills are probably still getting them. Quote: Things taking longer to kill making you organise a skirmish instead of a gank? Awwww :( Yes but again it requires planning and effort. I think the OP belongs to that class of player that wants everything handed to them on a plate and gets a thrill from blowing up helpless victims because it makes him feel big. Quote: Caldari what? I have no idea why he brought that up. Caldari have always been a primarily PvE race.
Vardemis Confederation of Red Moon Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! Sitting on the wrong side of the gate is a mistake you are making, you cannot blame CCP for that. 0.0 is not filled with 'bubble blobs' at all, the map is very good tool for intel about blobs, you don't need an alt scout at all. There is nothing changed to wars except that multiple wars are alot more expensive, looking at your post you should be glad about it, less blobs to hide from in empire. You mean Carebears like you that don't want to go to 0.0 to get a real fight and rather gank people that are not up to the task? As someone posted before it is not harder, just takes a bit longer. Learn how to use your ships, you might notice the error in that assumption.
Gabriel Roberts Minmatar Brecken Solutions	Posted - 2007.04.18 11:54:00 - [65] Originally by: Tista its about combat with other ships yes, but when every other ship i meet can just run away due to a lack of tackling ability i find it quite hard to do so. I used to kill command ships and battleships, taking on multiple targets at once, most pvpers in eve unless they are noobs work in fleets.. i work solo and i try to take on a challenge. ganking is all fare and well and yes killing noobs is quite fun too but when a noob can roll up after 2 months playing in a nos-domi and obliterate my battleships i find it quite hard to just sit quietly and not say anything. When i say pvp is close to death what i mean is solo-pirating. Seriously, if you can't find a way to beat a nos-domi after all this time you should go to wow anyway. Where do you think people were getting their pvp fix from before privs? P.S. Don't let the door hit u in the ass on the way out.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:06:00 - [66] You know I kinda blew this thread off as more whinage...but then I seen "Caldari have been nerfed...." And I cant help but to relive last night...as wave after wave of missles are comming in from a Raven that is 250k away from me. Not to bad I only had to close in another 140k before I could even return fire. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Sepharina Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:31:00 - [67] This thread is just nonsense. Its no different to the Privateer whine thread that got locked. If you cant find PvP in this game then maybe you should be playing something else. Go to 0.0 where everyones a target, war dec another corp and fight them, join a bigger alliance, become anti-pirate and clear pirate gate camps, become a pirate and gate camp THE OTHER SIDE of the gate (nubs!)!! Christ, was the only reason you could PvP before because it was handed to you on a shiny plate so you didnt have to engage your brain too much?? And sorry but "HP Boost makes things harder to kill..." Seriously this just labels you as lame tbh. I can almost see your tears from here. In summary, the game has got a liitle harder for you and you cant hack it. Please uninstall EvE and move on... away from us Get a clue will you.
Caol The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.18 12:41:00 - [68] Originally by: Tista When i say pvp is close to death what i mean is solo-pirating. Then perhaps a change of the OPs thread title is in order.
Hideki Kovacs	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:01:00 - [69] Originally by: Anglo ccp should consider making batlle arenas where u can duel people. like ohh there is an enemy in local i want so bad to waste him. then i should be able to offer him a duel or something.. bahh dont know.. It's already here. Ask someone for a duel, if they accept, form a gang with them. Kill each other all you want, wherever you want. Originally by: Anglo also people have to start not worying about loosing ships... its just isk ffs.. and isk can be made again. who cares what and how u loose your ****, aslong as it was fun dying.. get my point ? Well, that depends. For people that don't have a lot of play time, losing a ship could mean weeks of whatever to replace it. Although since you seem to be not worried about ISK, perhaps you could help refinance ship replacement for those you kill, that would be sporting, and it's only ISK, right?
Selamar	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:11:00 - [70] All this talk about Caldari being useless in solo PvP - are you all referring to their ships or the Caldari in general? 'cos you can buy other races ships, can you not? Not ideal I know
Sanzorz Amarr EVEfan.dk	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:28:00 - [71] Originally by: Tista bleh you missed the point completley. noob in that case refers to those whome cant be bothered to buy them.. i have been playing for 2 years and not had a single bm.. other than the station one.. tanking sentrys in a gank fitted ship is quite hard. since most haulers/passers by can now just nano up their ship and insta warp away it's pretty hard to grab them. I used to belt hunt but then people stopped coming into 0.4-0.1 because the risk/reward wasn't worth it. I have an indy character who can make 20mil an hour in high sec space.. and only 30 in 0.0-low sec.. not worth the time.. and with more reward it would mean miners come out and miners would need protection so that would bring my pvp targets back. If you consider us carebears to be the prey, then this game would've gone down long before. I am a carebear and there is a reason I avoid PvP. Warp to zero dosen't mean you can get away from gate camps all the time. Before WTZ you had to spend alot of time using warp to 50-10km to check if the gate was free. Also, why should only the carebears be the prey? Just because we run around with pve equipment to deal with missions or get our guts together to show up in lowsec for ratting, makes us vulnerable as we rarely have any EWAR. Do you consider that to be a challenge? I would like to join the fray of pvp people, but I have a bunch of implants that save me some time learning as I'm still fairly new. (not even at 10M yet) If people didn't pop your pod, then it would be fair enough...but that ain't what is happening, so I stay out. As you note about making 20M in high sec compared to low sec. I can't say this for sure, but I seem to make more money when warping around in 0.4-0.2 areas. Mobs have more bounty and items dropping are often better than mission loot. Regarding the miners, then you can't blame anything you said. The only reason I see to jump to low sec for mining is to get Megacyte or Zydrine, but those have less value these days due to Drone Complexes..or so I heard. As for being a Caldari, then I beleive all races have their disadvantages. You mentioned getting NOS'd as Caldari even though you have passive tanking is bad...well, ever thought of how that affect Amarr? Missiles can still shoot and your defence still partly work. Lasers don't shoot anywhere and most Amarr ships require armor tanking. Lowsec still have alot of pirates around. I've seen alot in the areas I try to rat, and it's been close to my death several times aswell. The only reason I elude them all the time, is that I pay extra attention to what is happening. --- Currently flying a PvE geared Crusader and Prophecy
Father Weebles North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:33:00 - [72] Nerf the whiners. "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Spaceman Jack	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:50:00 - [73] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! Sound like youre the carebare. I think we need to redefine that term. Wars have not been nerfed.. they just need to mean something now and have a purpose.. like originally intended. I for one have no problem finding good fights.. bubbles or no bubbles
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.04.18 13:59:00 - [74] Edited by: Gabriel Karade on 18/04/2007 13:57:05 Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! a)You're clearly in the wrong place then b)Instead of the 29 seconds to melt a Battleship (ok that was the quickest I've ever done it in) it takes 40'ish edit: oh and I catch more people than before on gates as my lumbering Blasterthron can move around more quickly with warp to zero ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Kaylana Syi The Nest Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:34:00 - [75] WoW PVP has no impact on anything other than e-peenitis and showing your ingame girlfriend, who is a 50 year old fat guy, that you can grind harder and faster than other men on the interweb. That is what ofc attracted him to you. EVE PVP however is meaningful. It will make and break people for the short term and create valuable history lessons for the future. You can crush people and their character while at the same time destroy their fun. Balance is good in a game like EVE, even if it takes years to do it. Team Minmatar
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.04.18 15:42:00 - [76] Edited by: Ranger 1 on 18/04/2007 15:39:51 Originally by: Hideki Kovacs Originally by: Anglo ccp should consider making batlle arenas where u can duel people. like ohh there is an enemy in local i want so bad to waste him. then i should be able to offer him a duel or something.. bahh dont know.. It's already here. Ask someone for a duel, if they accept, form a gang with them. Kill each other all you want, wherever you want. Originally by: Anglo also people have to start not worying about loosing ships... its just isk ffs.. and isk can be made again. who cares what and how u loose your ****, aslong as it was fun dying.. get my point ? Well, that depends. For people that don't have a lot of play time, losing a ship could mean weeks of whatever to replace it. Although since you seem to be not worried about ISK, perhaps you could help refinance ship replacement for those you kill, that would be sporting, and it's only ISK, right? Erm, I hate to break this to you, but gangs don't work that way. Opening fire on a gang mate who is not in your corp = Concord in Empire, gate gun fire, and security status hit.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:16:00 - [77] Originally by: RedFall I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. That's where real PvP is. Is Hello kitty Island Adventure where hell kitty sells drugs to kids for money.
Fswd	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:21:00 - [78] Originally by: Tista noobs didnt have bms- WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? if you got intell yes- Bubbles are avoidable. Wars are not a free time in empire, just pick your targets. meh..-Things taking longer to kill making you organise a skirmish i miss ganking -instead of a gank? Awwww :( Caldari sucks monkey-Caldari what? So what you are saying is that you could only pick on n00bs? --- So I flame and troll when the occasion calls for it. So what are you gonna do about it?
Buxaroo Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Tista noobs didnt have bms- WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? if you got intell yes- Bubbles are avoidable. Wars are not a free time in empire, just pick your targets. meh..-Things taking longer to kill making you organise a skirmish i miss ganking -instead of a gank? Awwww :( Caldari sucks monkey-Caldari what? So what you are saying is that killing nuubs in iteron 4's is considered pvp? You sound like some script kiddie from CS who suffers from ADD. You sound more like a WoW or console gamer than anything else tbh. "No matter where you go, there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:38:00 - [80] Edited by: Godar Marak on 18/04/2007 16:37:54 Originally by: Tista [ im actualy crying.. because it's true... after kali and the ultra pirate nerf beating i resorted to WoW. What you mean to say is that after Red Moon rising Wo... I mean EVE started getting more rubbish carebear driendly. CCP cares about money not the idea they once sold their players -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
The'Rabbit Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:45:00 - [81] Edited by: The''Rabbit on 18/04/2007 16:41:56 Originally by: Tista Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting im actualy crying.. because it's true... after kali and the ultra pirate nerf beating i resorted to WoW.. i spend more time on that than this.. i want real pvp back.. the good old days of people in low sec pirating small time.. and pirate hunters... not all this fancy 30 man blobbage and battleships being nearly invincible ( read prv whine thread)... Ya i've had the dreaded idea of resorting back to WoW, not managed to jump back over yet, as i've created this new character & having some noobie fun. Much better tbh.. It's funny how WoW gets bashed about, but I bet over 3 quarters of EVE Population own WoW... I had a guy giving WoW the third degree told him I palyed it, give him my name, the next time I logged in he had a lvl 60 Warrior & was on more often than EVE.. Wierd stuff aye
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.04.18 16:55:00 - [82] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! It's fine, learn to play.
Maxpie Split Infinity	Posted - 2007.04.18 17:13:00 - [83] Perhaps Eve is not the game for you. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Tyanni	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:24:00 - [84] Oh Tista, you think the game and its creators should revolve around what you want. You really are an ignorant (insert appropiate language here) if you believe that. "Oh no, the price of war dec-ing has gone up with each war, now I can't gank helpless noobies who have no idea of how to fight back. Only thing now is to PvP people who have a good chance of killing me, boohoo" --- Tough! Be a real person and try to fight someone worth it, stop ruining other people's fun and grow some balls! "Damn warp to 0km at gates means I rarely gank anyone" --- Its been said by someone else, the other side of a gate does exist you know. 0km only came in to replace Insta bm's which was contributing to lag within the game. "I'm too afraid to go into 0.0 because its filled with bubble camps trembes in fear" --- Hah! If you've ever been to 0.0 or lived there most of your Eve life you'll find out 70% of 0.0 access systems are either empty or have camps which don't hang around for long. Bubble camps are the most effective to way to stop your enemy getting supplies to or from empire, since Anchorable bubbles + Dictor bubbles can only be dropped in 0.0 space. Don't complain to the big boys who live in 0.0 unless you know the concept of 0.0 war fare. "Damn, gonna take me longer to gank helpless noobs because of HP boosts" --- Oh well, those extra minute or two really makes no difference if you have the advantage of power over a target you are fighting. HP increases to ships has really made combat more exciting through longer fights whether its gang or fleet. The idea of Battleships is that they aren't meant to go down so easily, same with most other ships. "The race I picked sucks, I'm too lazy to find ways around it, guess I'll moan some more" --- Tough luck, your own damn fault for being lazy to seek other ways. Okay, so Caldari isn't the best at solo killing, but they can do it! Crows are good, Ferox's are good, Scorpions are good, etc. Just because the main theory of Caldari's is they shield tank and spam missiles doesn't mean you can't adapt your fittings for other means. Like you can armour tank Scorps and Raven's fairly effectively. Use your damn brain instead of resorting to whining. In conclusion, start using your mind to find ways around problems and blocks, stop being a wuss ganking people who have 0% chance of fighting back effectively. This game does NOT revolve around you, if you don't like it QUIT! I'm sure your loss won't be missed, certainly not by me. I hate being mean, but sometimes the truth must be told to silence the dumbfounded. Now if you'll excuse me I intend to go back to the game and ignore any more Eve-O forum links my corp mates post ^_^;;
Selena 001	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:46:00 - [85] Originally by: Tista "Eve attracts the bullying culture, meaning you don't have to make a point.. just get more people to laugh with you." Thats irony if ever I saw it. What exactly do you think your doing in empire atm? Cause from a neutral point of view, it looks like small groups ganking lone mission runners. You (being your alliance) attracted SOOOOO much attention, you dug your own grave. Only now your standing neck deep in it do you realise you have no-one but yourselves to blame. If you'd spent less time blabbing about how well you were doing you might have even gotten a few extra months out of it... ___________ NATIONAL SARCASM DAY!!
MrPops Caldari Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:53:00 - [86] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! First, Can I have your stuff? Second, your whining. Third, the sky is not falling. Fourth, adapt or die. Fifth, if you don't like it go play WOW. nuff said
Felysta Sandorn Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:56:00 - [87] I have a Caldari pilot and there is a solution to it... I'm an Amarr specialist! I have a Gallente PvP speciallist alt with half my skillpoints, but can still kick my ass in PvP... Caldari PvP = Jamming Also, you're right in your first post, couldn't be bothered to read past the first page though! Killing With Ease
Kentucky Smith Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:59:00 - [88] Whine, Whine,Whine ya bunch of sissys!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:00:00 - [89] Correct me if I'm wrong... The OP is upset because WarDecs are reduced. The "reason" that she is upset is because Caldari ships suck at PvP hence the only way she can kill anything is to shoot at CareBears in Empire. Maybe its not the ships? <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Audemed Wraiths Reborn Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:41:00 - [90] Anyone who says bubbles are avoidable has never jumped in to a mobile large warp disruptor before. ------ Currently stationed in Iraq, 190 days left to go! PVP in EvE is consentual, you agree to it when you login.
Tista	Posted - 2007.04.19 01:58:00 - [91] Originally by: Selena 001 Originally by: Tista "Eve attracts the bullying culture, meaning you don't have to make a point.. just get more people to laugh with you." Thats irony if ever I saw it. What exactly do you think your doing in empire atm? Cause from a neutral point of view, it looks like small groups ganking lone mission runners. You (being your alliance) attracted SOOOOO much attention, you dug your own grave. Only now your standing neck deep in it do you realise you have no-one but yourselves to blame. If you'd spent less time blabbing about how well you were doing you might have even gotten a few extra months out of it... lol you think im priv? nooo nono you're wrong.. i decided to jump on the whine about things wagon and go for a ride.. ofcourse my post has no meaning.. much like your lives.. tis true you know. the meaning of life is to find the meaning for life and i think i had a little too much to drink! Originally by: Kruel Originally by: Admiral Pieg I kind of feel for you guys, i really do, but making whine threads and throwing temper tantrums arent the answer mate. Why not, it worked for the carebears?
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2007.04.19 09:58:00 - [92] Originally by: Audemed Anyone who says bubbles are avoidable has never jumped in to a mobile large warp disruptor before. If someone deploys a large bubble on a gate they mean business, and by that I mean camp of "hello I stick out like a sore thumb on the map jump in here and die thank you very much"... ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Malcanis High4Life	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:13:00 - [93] Originally by: Audemed Anyone who says bubbles are avoidable has never jumped in to a mobile large warp disruptor before. They are; I have.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:55:00 - [94] The only thing that I agree is about WTZ. Was more fun without it... but would need to be without BM also. Likse any jump is imprecise up to 5 km... so you warp to zero but can land anywhere at a 5km radius. It was much more fun both for victim and campers when the camp was on other side. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.04.19 10:57:00 - [95] Originally by: Audemed Anyone who says bubbles are avoidable has never jumped in to a mobile large warp disruptor before. these are hard to avoid, but are very far from common. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:05:00 - [96] Originally by: Tyanni "Damn warp to 0km at gates means I rarely gank anyone" --- Its been said by someone else, the other side of a gate does exist you know. 0km only came in to replace Insta bm's which was contributing to lag within the game. Ever been to Minmatar space? You jump through and the guy is 50km from you. - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it)
Jex Jast Go for the booty	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:07:00 - [97] Originally by: Awox Originally by: Tyanni "Damn warp to 0km at gates means I rarely gank anyone" --- Its been said by someone else, the other side of a gate does exist you know. 0km only came in to replace Insta bm's which was contributing to lag within the game. Ever been to Minmatar space? You jump through and the guy is 50km from you. QFT. I don't camp but I've seen a lot about this and for those who do (especially those who are protecting territory like alliances) this is an issue. -----
Presidente Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:35:00 - [98] Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 19/04/2007 11:31:59 Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! I just say: whatever is nerfed or changed and cause whining ... learn to adapt and evolve. You warp to 0 but you jump to the other side. Campers always adapt to the new circumstances. 0.4-0.1 can be very exciting. Visit eg. Thelan area and find out. 0.0 is not filled with bubbles. Till now I never had one. My 0.0 was surprisingly silent and +safe½ for ratting. And if: I have some b-plan to get through it or not. Dive into the game, accept changes ... get a chance to adapt and evolve. It's the same way reallife works. Pres G +++ JOIN PAP +++
Utopiana	Posted - 2007.04.19 11:44:00 - [99] Originally by: Tista Originally by: Patch86 Wars have not been nerfed. Having 50 wars has been nerfed. having 1 meaningful war against someone you consider a genuine enemy works just the same as always. tis expensive, im a solo pilot i prefer to work alone and 200-250mil a war-dec is too much for me. in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission then requested the isk to stop.. great fun. canny do that now Your way of doing wars, others see as harrasement. War should be expensive, and the smaller the corp declaring the war the more expensive it should be. Wars cost isk, not only for you and your target but for the entire enviroment around the war, other players, other corporation that depends on either of the corps in war for making their buisess go around, other npc corps losing income because costomers avoid a war filled area. It's not hard to justify heavy war bills for small corps especailly in empire high security systems. Other games have pvp restrictions, if a player want to avoid pvp they can do so by their choice of server, or choice of actions within the game. That power is entirely left in the players hands in Eve, so as long player have the total power of deciding to take unvanted targets in to forced pvp, it should cost heavily on the agressors wallet. You wont lose the option to force pvp on the non-interested player, but it will sometimes cost you as much or even more then your target to do so. If you where really interested in a pvp challenge, you would seek out the pvp enviroment in eve, and not been in here complaining about forcing people that does not seek pvp is becomming to expensive. Think of it as ccp turning tables, before you could force pvp on the not interested player as often you wanted, now ccp forces the pvp interested to seek out the pvp enviroment instead. In my opinion wars are still way to cheap, there should be considerable difference of the price (as bribes etc) to make concord and the big npc corporations in high security look the other way. An alliance of 700 members might get away with a million or two a week, cause they otherwise pull heavy weight of their strenght and the npc corporations would rather avoid a big alliance like that on their bad side. While a single person corp or a 10-20 man corp, why would a npc corporation with outstanding 350 bilion shares fear those? In their eyes a small corp like that would be just a memory a week after they crushed them to dust finacially and with power, and the bill those small corps had to pay for them to look the other way would be significally higher then for the big alliance that asked the same thing. I see you'r wish in your posts, but i dont see any reasons you make to why it should be like you suggest? You post things like "in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission " this is the best example of what classify and act of harrasement, by any standard. if you instead had posted " I scare them in to submission" it could be funded on a roleplaying fundation. make me think that most of your corp wars are in fact fought out in the local chat rater then in space.
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:20:00 - [100] Before you all leave to play WOW, let me say this: "L2P". You are most likely going to see that a lot on the WOW forums, it means "Learn To Play", that is what the friendly people in WOW will tell you when you whine on their forums. So in conclusion: L2P /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
Jayne Tamm	Posted - 2007.04.19 12:39:00 - [101] Originally by: Utopiana Originally by: Tista Originally by: Patch86 Wars have not been nerfed. Having 50 wars has been nerfed. having 1 meaningful war against someone you consider a genuine enemy works just the same as always. tis expensive, im a solo pilot i prefer to work alone and 200-250mil a war-dec is too much for me. in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission then requested the isk to stop.. great fun. canny do that now hits the nail on the head there! pvp in this game is fine! the op is just whining coz now they now find it hard to take the preverbial candy from the Eve Infants! go pick on someone yr own age or skill base....theres pleny of people out there for pvp...only problem is..they hit back Your way of doing wars, others see as harrasement. War should be expensive, and the smaller the corp declaring the war the more expensive it should be. Wars cost isk, not only for you and your target but for the entire enviroment around the war, other players, other corporation that depends on either of the corps in war for making their buisess go around, other npc corps losing income because costomers avoid a war filled area. It's not hard to justify heavy war bills for small corps especailly in empire high security systems. Other games have pvp restrictions, if a player want to avoid pvp they can do so by their choice of server, or choice of actions within the game. That power is entirely left in the players hands in Eve, so as long player have the total power of deciding to take unvanted targets in to forced pvp, it should cost heavily on the agressors wallet. You wont lose the option to force pvp on the non-interested player, but it will sometimes cost you as much or even more then your target to do so. If you where really interested in a pvp challenge, you would seek out the pvp enviroment in eve, and not been in here complaining about forcing people that does not seek pvp is becomming to expensive. Think of it as ccp turning tables, before you could force pvp on the not interested player as often you wanted, now ccp forces the pvp interested to seek out the pvp enviroment instead. In my opinion wars are still way to cheap, there should be considerable difference of the price (as bribes etc) to make concord and the big npc corporations in high security look the other way. An alliance of 700 members might get away with a million or two a week, cause they otherwise pull heavy weight of their strenght and the npc corporations would rather avoid a big alliance like that on their bad side. While a single person corp or a 10-20 man corp, why would a npc corporation with outstanding 350 bilion shares fear those? In their eyes a small corp like that would be just a memory a week after they crushed them to dust finacially and with power, and the bill those small corps had to pay for them to look the other way would be significally higher then for the big alliance that asked the same thing. I see you'r wish in your posts, but i dont see any reasons you make to why it should be like you suggest? You post things like "in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission " this is the best example of what classify and act of harrasement, by any standard. if you instead had posted " I scare them in to submission" it could be funded on a roleplaying fundation. make me think that most of your corp wars are in fact fought out in the local chat rater then in space.
Sarah O'Neill	Posted - 2007.04.19 13:47:00 - [102] Are you guys only hunting carebears? Oh, will one of the next patches stop cowards? PA + Low-Sec-Pirates are not looking for real pvp, you are looking for a safe and bored kill (sitting hours at a dockingbay or elsewhere like a dosser and killing haulers and shuttles). So who is the real carebear now? YES YES YES - I'll love this summer-update, I hope it would work CCP!!! PA has to pay for hell and hell for carebearkillers (them)! Or come to 0.0, where we can fight 24hours a day without any wardec. Got it now?
Terrapin Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:10:00 - [103] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! It's fine, learn to play. It's not fine. It's never been fine. Tolerable at best, but pvp and the eve community as a whole, have never been in a worse state than it is currently (imnsho). I've been around since beta (with large gaps of absence in between) and I returned a couple of months ago. Ever since I started playing way back in 2003 I've been pursuing a solo career (with a few short corporation memberships in between - but I've since decided corp life is not for me). Initially I'd decided on a career as a bounty hunter, but that road proved a waste of time pretty quickly and has never recovered. The game I bought promised me on the box it came in: "Conspire with thousands of others to bring the galaxy to its knees, or go at it alone and share the glory with no one." This, much like the bounty hunter career, has proven to be a hollow promise. I only have a single account, play only one character on it, and I'm not a 'power gamer'. I only play a couple of hours a week max, mostly in the weekends. For example; last weekend, after having increased my wallet to an acceptable level grinding missions for several weeks, I returned to low-sec space to look for targets to pit myself against. This proved to be an utter waste of time. After having flown around for several hours for 4 days in a row and having every potential target warp away I decided to just float around an asteroid belt and wait for the targets to come to me. After a while two targets appear and start engaging.. woohoo.. combat at last. The odds were stacked against me, but what the hell, I was happy enough to have found a challenge finally, so I decide to stick around. A couple of seconds after combat commenced, 7 more gang mates warp in and they proceed to blast my ship to pieces in mere seconds, with me being warp jammed, target jammed and having my capacitor sucked dry all at the same time. Then my screen froze as a result of my ship exploding and I found myself back at the cloning station... What fun! Don't get me wrong, I don't mind losing my ship (it was only an assault frig anyway), or my pod. I'd fully expected that when I set off to low sec space. What I do mind is the complete lack of fun, on both sides. (I decided to ask one of my agressors to explain to me afterwards what the fun is in blasting a frigate to bits in a 9v1 gankfest, but I was simply told I'm just a noob . So if anyone else can clear up that bit for me it'd be much appreciated) Anyway.. I have since drawn my conclusions and even though pvp may not be dead entirely, solo pvp most definately is dead, and buried. For a long time I've hoped the devs might be able to steer away from having Eve Online turn into Grief Online completely, and finally make solo bounty hunting a viable career choice, but I don't see that happening anymore. At least not without me having to give up my prefered playstyle. So I guess this will be my last contribution to this forum. I've finally become completely fed up with the testosterone powered, e-peen swinging 'community' and CCP's continuous carrot dangling. In closing I just want to send my regards to the (relatively few) fine pilots I did have the pleasure to fly alongside of, or fight against (you know who you are). o/ So long, and thanks for all the fish. Terrapin signing off PS. No, you can't have my stuff
Korcahn Gallente Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:17:00 - [104] This thread reminds me why I hate forums. Over-exaggerating patch changes for the lose. ___________________________________
Ryysa North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:18:00 - [105] Just fit nanos and win eve ;) N.F.F. Recruitment - Killboard Mirroring tool
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.04.21 14:54:00 - [106] I agree with most of your later points, in that EvE is now too crowded and mid-sized groups of old, hardcore players are very hard to beat. However you're just going to be told to adapt and quit whining. You could always try joining a hardcore pvp corp and give it a whirl. Plus, why did you change your old char for a caldari one? Burn Eden and a couple others do amazing things with caldari, but they do seem to be hard to make work in PvP. Amarr at least have the curse/pilgrim...
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.04.21 16:10:00 - [107] Originally by: Tista WTZ is different from insta-bm's how? noobs didnt have bms So you're saying PVP has gotten worse because you can't pirate n00bs? You fit the description of a munchkin.
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.04.23 20:46:00 - [108] END = NEAR YOUR BASE = ALL MINES ALL TEARS = MY JOY
Ahz	Posted - 2007.04.24 05:28:00 - [109] Originally by: Tista 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Dude, you've completely contridicted yourself. Go to 0.0 and jump into a bubble blob. Instant PvP.
Matrix Aran Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.24 05:48:00 - [110] The irony of things of late is there seems to be a recent increase in whine threads of the lack of PVP, yet last time I checked, Eve is involved in the biggest war it has ever seen. I can't say I understand how PVP is dying with all this lovely death around me. ----
Hesed Amarr Hamartia.	Posted - 2007.04.24 07:42:00 - [111] Every patch results that pvp requires more intel. Which means pvp is less random and more predictable. Predictable conflict means more focus on attrition/numbers. Ganks just become another isk source for the "real conflict." Focus on numbers results in less and less involvement from the individual on both tactics, and game objectives. It's agreeable if you're into organization and not universally hated and avoided. Alas. - Good. + - Bad.
Cenmocay76	Posted - 2007.06.08 06:52:00 - [112] Originally by: RedFall I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. That's where real PvP is. real pvp ?...its a joke¦ grow up
Tom Gunn Caldari North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.08 07:01:00 - [113] Originally by: Cenmocay76 real pvp ?...its a joke¦ grow up Bumping old threads / necromancy ? Me thinks your the one who should grow up.
JoCool MASS	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:09:00 - [114] Edited by: JoCool on 08/06/2007 08:09:21 Group PvE will not work in EVE unless there's live aggro-management. Also, 0 seconds lock times are necessary so the healers can quickly heal others as well as themselves and for the tanks to quickly pull lost aggro fast. If we have that NPCs will be allowed get stronger. For the 0.0 part, simply go for it. You'll learn how to avoid bubble camps and soon move freely through unreg. Use your brain though. Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:36:00 - [115] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! 1. Get on the other damned side of the gate. Half of Eve is about adapting to change. 2. Wrong, much of lowsec is populated. If the area you're in isn't, move. Again, adapt. 3. Get a clue. Seriously. My corp has just spent quite a while running rings around bubble blobs in a small gang, destroying isolated enemy ships at will and generally having great fun (<3 FREGE). Either scan the bubble and go round it, or find a different route. Adapt. 4. No they haven't, they've been changed so you can't declare war on the entirety of Eve. You can still declare war on whoever the hell you like, just not everyone at once. Adapt. 5. The one point I'll partially agree on. Currently carebears do get it good, particularly mission runners. That will change. They will whine. I'll tell them to adapt too. 6. So what it things have more HP? Longer fights = prolonged fun. If something escapes due to more HP, tough. Modify your setup to kill them or tackle them better. Modify your tactics to allow no escape. Adapt. 7. Caldari don't suck, their ships are designed for different roles than other races. In pvp I fly a mixture of Caldari and Gallente, depending on the type of fleet tactics being used. Neither race is any less effective at its chosen role. And if you really hate Caldari so much, train another race. Adapt. Long story short, Eve is changing and you don't like it. If people like you would stop whining and start thinking about how you can deal with the changes ingame you wouldn't have so many problems. Eve requires you to adapt to changes. Each race, each ship class. They all have their nerfs and buffs. Oh, and can I have your stuff?
Sian Tairnesh Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.08 08:42:00 - [116] I know this thread was started two months ago, but still... Originally by: Tista tis expensive, im a solo pilot i prefer to work alone and 200-250mil a war-dec is too much for me. in the past i have war deced corps.. irritated them into submission then requested the isk to stop.. great fun. canny do that now Yeah. Did you know that this is an Massively Multiplayer ORPG? And wars aren't fought one against many. That's either piracy or terrorism (to use a rather strong term). I get the feeling that you are just another newbie hunter with a low self-esteem.
Damares Flying While Intoxicated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:01:00 - [117] for one wtz is just like bookmarks, also, pvping on gates is just the same aslong as you camp on the other side of the gate.... which is better anyway as you can just camp on low sec high sec boarders. i went through about 300jumps of 0.0 scouting a few weeks ago through alliance territories and ran into 3 bubbles all of which i escaped from anyway, i eventualy got caught in a dead end system and had to give myself up to the locals for sake of boredom.... wars are just the same as long as you dont war dec about 200 corps.... carebears have it all too good? carebears adapt to problems, and if your having a hard time pvping, your not pvping in the right places, you cant force someone to fight you if they dont put themselves at risk... HP boost is fine it makes fights more fun and interesting caldari, meh, cross-training ftw. also, WoW pvp is never ever exciting, nothing to loose= booooring. no other game gets your heart racing like eve, WoW pvp is just frustrating getting ganked not fun... and if you pvp just to **** people off and not for fun then meh. go ahead, wow is the place for you
Toubo	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:09:00 - [118] There is no PvP in EVE period only griefing.
Anehra X-Fire	Posted - 2007.06.08 09:45:00 - [119] Originally by: Cleveland Steam Originally by: Tista tbh he's right. About what? WoW > Eve? Id rather not argue that point because its one of opinion but I still think thats a harsh criticizm...maybe even just knee-jerk. That game is trash anymore. Addictive trash. What he said was: Originally by: Portios Smith You know things are bad when WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting "WoW pvp is starting to be more exciting." I play roughly 3 hours of WoW/week. Maybe 5 hours, tops. I play probably 50-70 hours of EVE/week. EVE > WoW. But he is right, WoW pvp is alot more exciting nowadays, unlike what it used to be. How come? In WoW I log in, takes me 1 sec to click the battlemaster and I get a battleground. Instant, fast-paced pvp. EVE is still better, from a million aspects, the financial and political aspects - to mention a few. The loss when getting shot down, the risks, the thrill. But just like he said, in EVE I need 40 people to blob up to get PvP - and that is generally 5 hours of waiting to gank 3 shuttles, right? While in WoW I log in and get instant, fast-paced PvP. Do you remember when it was like that in EVE? Log in, undock with your cruiser, find a belt nearby and start shoot the first guy/gal you see. It actually used to be like that. Yes, it's true. There's a reason I call them "Ca(m)pitals" and I want all warp bubbles removed, totally. Mobile jumpdrives on certain ships would be great as well, at least give backdoor alternativs into systems, reduce the bottlenecks. He never said WoW > EVE tho. And neither say I. Tho, I agree with Cleveland Steam that wow pvp is turning more exciting.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:21:00 - [120] 1) This is flamebait. 2) If you think PvP is dying, you aren't looking hard enough. Looking for a relaxed ingame RP channel to join? La Maison De Tous Les Plaisirs
Weer Treyt	Posted - 2007.06.08 10:36:00 - [121] If all the wannabe PvPers (who are now whining because ganking harmless noobs got slightly harder) leave I say "good riddance". They add zero value anyway.
Sasakisan	Posted - 2007.06.08 14:59:00 - [122] When one tries to make everybody happy, sometimes they get ticked off instead. Threads on the forums suggest that plenty of PVPers and non-PVPers are not happy with the current state of the game. I wonder if one version of EVE will ever be able to keep these two groups happy. --------------------------------------------------------- Midway upon the journey of our life I found myself within a forest dark, For the straight-forward pathway had been lost. From Dante's Inferno
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:09:00 - [123] Originally by: Tista after kali and the ultra pirate nerf beating i resorted to WoW.. i spend more time on that than this.. i want real pvp back.. the good old days of people in low sec pirating small time... Come to Faswiba. I'll show you how much PvP is dead. erm...GOONSWARM IS EBIL.
Stems Trade Consortium	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:16:00 - [124] Edited by: Stems on 08/06/2007 15:15:15 Originally by: Tista after kali and the ultra pirate nerf beating i resorted to WoW.. i spend more time on that than this.. i want real pvp back.. the good old days of people in low sec pirating small time... Can I have your stuff?
pyrofox	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:27:00 - [125] Pvp is what you make it..... Until they take the guns, e/w, missiles offa ships then pvp is alive and kicking. CCP play the game, so I'm sure they know about the buzz people get in combat. Why on earth would they purposely spoil our fun with nerfs and stuff. Other than constant game balance, with so many different variables in game mistakes will be made that have to be rectified. I wonder if any pressure is put to bear, due to all those macro miners etc, protecting their interests in relation to their real life money making ability and game mechanics which might not aid them in their pursuit. Seems a lot of people make a lot of money in rl out of this game.
CrestoftheStars Perkone	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:39:00 - [126] hehehehehe-.... yer and it's YOUR type of people's FAULT!!! by trying to force people to lose a hell lot and gaining nothing, and constantly insisting that if you don't like beeing killed just for the fun of others then they should leave the game.. it have become impossible to do pvp in eve in less then a 3+ man gang and it have become almost impossible to do anything in 0.4-0.0 without getting ganked by a totally unfair number of players or players that gank you while your fighting other players or npc's. so tanks to your kind of piip pip the pvp is dying and it is dying fast, WOW got so much better pvp system, and the ****** rate which have been explosively increased by the last couple of years, is just alarming.. if you want people to do pvp GIVE THEM A GOOD DAMN REASON TOO. how hard is it to understand that people don't want to get gatecamped, ganked or forced to blob fight to do pvp. it's normal logic, but your type off people clearly don't get it though your skull before you actually are out of targets to jump.. and well by then you will realise that the problem is the game mechanics which allows your type of people to "decide" how pvp should be forced on other players. nice job;) ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:48:00 - [127] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps As a carebear even I know a gate has an other side. Originally by: Tista 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there I used to live in .4 - .1 and occasionally my barge or hauler would get popped from people fighting over the region which wasn't a problem, it was infrequent enough for me to be able to lose the occasional 300-800mil ship. Not anymore, the risk is far to great. Every other day you get popped. Low sec is overpopulated with people that pop you for no other reason than that they can, theres no fighting for resources or trying to push a corp out of the area, no honor, you're just popped because its so damn easy and they move on, usually never to be seen again. So stop whining about no one being in low sec, you've made your bed now sleep in it.
Ariel Dawn Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.08 15:58:00 - [128] Edited by: Ariel Dawn on 08/06/2007 15:59:37 Edited by: Ariel Dawn on 08/06/2007 15:58:54 Originally by: Lord WarATron Look guys, Factional Warfare is around the corner - Think Privater style pvp time ten. Or times a Tenth depending on how it is implemented Most definitely; hopefully CCP will take their time and develop something amazing. Then plenty of PvP will be available in all shapes and sizes and people can stop complaining about various things and instead focus on just having a fun time.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:00:00 - [129] Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps 0.4-0.1 is a waste and no-one goes there 0.0 is filled with bubble blobs Wars have just been nerfed upside down. Carebears have it all to damn good. HP boost makes things harder to kill... Caldari already sucks.. don't take away our wars! /Discuss! If you can't find PvP, then you're either lazy or you suck. Can't make it any more clear than that.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:04:00 - [130] Originally by: Tista Whine!!!!! I want player suicide monkeys and the suicide monkeys wont play with me!!! /Discuss! Plenty of PvP in this game if you want it. As for the 0.5+ empire hugging carebears that are enjpying themselves and even making good money... OUTSTANDING!!!. Well Done I say!!! I wish them well, hope they keep enjpying themselves, and I look forward to a few of them eventually jumping into the shark pool for some more hardcore fun. Some who jump into the shark pool will leave again and not come back, but some will stay and have a lot of fun. This is just as it should be. Quote: Originally by: CCP kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:12:00 - [131] Originally by: Tista Originally by: Marcathonas Originally by: Tista Right.. so you can't gank on gates because of 0m warps You know there's an other side to gates, right? I'm still getting a healthy amount of ganks. As for no-one being in lowsec, relocate. I've found plenty of lowsec systems with an average of 10 residents per system the entire constellation, and they're good to slaughter for a few weeks if not months. 0.0, eh. Bubbles are avoidable if you know how to operate a scanner. HP boost makes things take longer to kill, not harder. Yeah you're whining or don't know what you're talking about, sorry. well to be honest.. im fedup of owning a caldari pilot.. i used to have an amarr recon pilot and run around my home system eating noobies alive sneaky style.. now i got a caldari pilot and they cant pvp for crap.. or am i missing something (if so please tell me 2 months of ****e pvp is making me want to revert to WoW) HAhahha, welcome to Caldari NERF online Tista.. good luck in PvPing in Caldari ships solo.. all of them have nice flaws in solo PvP so much so, that a skilled oponent in comparable or even lesser ship with some extra skill can kill you. Yep.. have fun, as most other race pilots will tell you, retrain or do PvE, or Blob.. that's Caldari's Pv..e, cough, PvP
RossP Zoyka	Posted - 2007.06.08 16:43:00 - [132] Originally by: RedFall I'm going to go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure. That's where real PvP is. Holy crap! I started a thread about that without even reading your comment. lol. Hello Kitty Island Adventure is getting a lot of publicity from EVE, they should start charging!
sartorii Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.09 22:58:00 - [133] i always love how the inability to gank the basically defenseless (PvE fitted ships and Noobs) is the "death" of PvP so wanna be pirate lamer.. why dont you go outside and kick dogs instead? just as much challenge there.. "waaaaahhh 0.0 is too tough... they have more friends than me and i'm always outgunned" *"disconnect and self destruct one mullet at at time" [sic]*
Cenmocay76	Posted - 2007.06.11 02:23:00 - [134] gatecamps with bubbles the dumbest idea ever and i play since 2D Games the hole pvp system,millions of gates its all crap¦ or why u think have eve only 30k players at night and WoW Millions ?
Cenmocay76	Posted - 2007.06.11 02:46:00 - [135] Originally by: J Valkor END = NEAR YOUR BASE = ALL MINES ALL TEARS = MY JOY ur sooo hard.....kiddy
MehTheTrader University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.11 03:02:00 - [136] too many outposts in 0.0... After taking outpost you should have the option to self destruct it with all its assets. Or better yet take everything from their hangars. Now how is that for something to fight for. But really 0.0 has too many outposts, so almost all systems have activity now. Not like the old 0.0 where it was very empty. I like the idea that there are alot of people in hisec and lowsec. I dont like that 0.0 is now so easy to inhabit with all the outposts. Carriers transporting to 0.0, outposts, and jc's = No travel ever to empire from 0.0. Leaves low sec empty. I really don't see why ccp try to push for people to live in 0.0.
Awox Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.11 05:00:00 - [137] Originally by: MehTheTrader too many outposts in 0.0... After taking outpost you should have the option to self destruct it with all its assets. Or better yet take everything from their hangars. Now how is that for something to fight for. But really 0.0 has too many outposts, so almost all systems have activity now. Not like the old 0.0 where it was very empty. I like the idea that there are alot of people in hisec and lowsec. I dont like that 0.0 is now so easy to inhabit with all the outposts. Carriers transporting to 0.0, outposts, and jc's = No travel ever to empire from 0.0. Leaves low sec empty. I really don't see why ccp try to push for people to live in 0.0. /signed to all - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it)

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