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Illyria Ambri Caldari	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:06:00 - [61] Originally by: Ki An Here's my ultimatum. Either you, CCP, implement these changes so that I can have fun, or I will have fun by especially targetting the weakest carebear corps I can find and continually hound them until they quit EvE. /Ki Someone sounds a lil butthurt ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Happiness is a warm railgun, Love is a stocked missle launcher. Sexual extacy is watching that NME Battleship go boom. "Will i
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:07:00 - [62] Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Venkul Mul Fun, a Privateer asking for istancing in market. Do your homework better, laddie. I've never been a part of the Privateers. /Ki I stand corrected. Fun. A strong supporter of the Privateer cause asking for istancing . Better? Oh wow, so people can't have an opinion now without being affiliated with an EVE group? If it were my opinion that you're a moron, who would that make me a alt/slave/supporter of? Originally by: RedFall Originally by: xeom If carebears can choose not to PVE and still play perfectly fine.Why can't the pvp'er? This is total bull$h1t really.Not asking for seperate market but if we have to PVE they should have to PVP Agree. CCP is PvE-centric. Wrong, CCP are money-centric.
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:11:00 - [63] Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: RedFall Agree. CCP is PvE-centric. Wrong, CCP are money-centric. Nero is douche-centric. I keed I keed....
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:38:00 - [64] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 18/04/2007 18:34:03 Originally by: Nero Scuro Originally by: Venkul Mul Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Venkul Mul Fun, a Privateer asking for istancing in market. Do your homework better, laddie. I've never been a part of the Privateers. /Ki I stand corrected. Fun. A strong supporter of the Privateer cause asking for istancing . Better? Oh wow, so people can't have an opinion now without being affiliated with an EVE group? If it were my opinion that you're a moron, who would that make me a alt/slave/supporter of? Nero, from all the post that Ki has made for the Privateers cause, that they are a wonderful thing for EVE, that duble ownership of wrecks must be implemented as people stheal from Privateers and others, and so on, he is cleary a supporter. I.E. someone that like a cause and support it. From your reaction it seem a "dirty" word, while it simply designate someone liking a cause. You prefer some of the synonyms like: enthusiast, advocate, champion?
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.18 18:42:00 - [65] Originally by: Venkul Mul Nero, from all the post that Ki has made for the Privateers cause, that they are a wonderful thing for EVE, that duble ownership of wrecks must be implemented as people stheal from Privateers and others, and so on, he is cleary a supporter. I.E. someone that like a cause and support it. From your reaction it seem a "dirty" word, while it simply designate someone liking a cause. You prefer some of the synonyms like: enthusiast, advocate, champion? I prefer the term "Privateer Apologist" myself. /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Bistot Kid The First Thing You'll Ever See	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:16:00 - [66] The problem I have with random PvP that I don't seek out is that it is generally a fight to the death, and more often than not a fight to my death as I've yet to be engaged by an underwhelming force. Rather than fight to the death, I'd be perfectly happy to fight till I'm a bit poorly, for some PvP action. I think it really grates on me that my time taken to buy and kit out a ships is likely to be just some amusement for a bunch of teenagers taking it all away from me.
emepror Gallente Flying Spaghetti Monsterz FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:38:00 - [67] Edited by: emepror on 18/04/2007 19:35:55 lol no this will never happen, i dont think you understand this but eve has an economy, it also allows PVP'ers to buy bigger things and a titan for 0 isk? come on that would be the only ship ever flown in a few months if it happened i consider ki an a noob for trying to get a stupid thing implemented and for trying to get attention if you dont like whats happening then leave us all alone and leave! i also add this to me calling ki an a noob "Here's my ultimatum. Either you, CCP, implement these changes so that I can have fun, or I will have fun by especially targetting the weakest carebear corps I can find and continually hound them until they quit EvE. /Ki" this is not a game for self centered people
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.18 19:46:00 - [68] Originally by: emepror Edited by: emepror on 18/04/2007 19:35:55 lol no this will never happen, i dont think you understand this but eve has an economy, it also allows PVP'ers to buy bigger things and a titan for 0 isk? come on that would be the only ship ever flown in a few months if it happened i consider ki an a noob for trying to get a stupid thing implemented and for trying to get attention if you dont like whats happening then leave us all alone and leave! i also add this to me calling ki an a noob "Here's my ultimatum. Either you, CCP, implement these changes so that I can have fun, or I will have fun by especially targetting the weakest carebear corps I can find and continually hound them until they quit EvE. /Ki" this is not a game for self centered people lol /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
dor amwar Occam's Razor Combine	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:10:00 - [69] Edited by: dor amwar on 18/04/2007 20:07:49 Edited by: dor amwar on 18/04/2007 20:07:05 really needed for all the nerfed pa threads. common people give noobs a break! Though there are certainly some players who have already amassed a great deal of wealth and equipment, this will not affect your ability to advance in the game competitively. There are starting areas for new players where you will be safe until you have gained enough skill and experience to venture out into the wilder, more aggressive areas of space. nuff said already
Senghir	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:23:00 - [70] Edited by: Senghir on 18/04/2007 20:20:22 Just adding my piece here. I'm a PVE-er, I have to say I don't like the amount of flaming that gets associated with someone just because they choose PVE. I'm not a 'carebear' because I choose PVE, it's just a valid choice that I make based on the game mechanics presented before me. If I don't want do PVP as a main objective, then I don't have to, and no-one has any right to try to make me. What I do accept is that there is always a risk. I like this risk. I'm not against PVP; if I get attacked I will defend myself to the best of my ability. Moreover, if I was cruising through low sec space and found an enemy of our alliance, I may even attack them! This said, I do enjoy the relative safety of PVE. To PVP means I need to spend a lot of time getting a ship together, and should that ship be lost, I am forced into finding some way to make that money back, spend easily up to an hour buying the new kit and picking it up before I can even begin where I left off. Now if I lose that ship, I'm royally screwed. I mean, to force PVP like some suggest would easily make it possible for some [insert insulting name here] to effectively spawn camp me just because he/she is a [expletive] and I'm unlucky enough to be the target of them. As a PVE-er I get to choose when I log on, and when I log off, and also what I do with the time I give to EVE. With PVP and the constant threat of frequent ship loss and therefore grinding for and buying a new one, my time is not so much my own choice. I can wholly recognise that some people may love this side of it and that's great; it's why PVP is a fun and valid choice, but it's just not for me most of the time and I like the fact that I'm allowed to choose. -Senghir
Nyabinghi Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:29:00 - [71] I believe what the OP is suggesting is essentially Counter Strike in space. Basically you want to dumb down EVE to the point it becomes as mundane as a gazillion online FPS games out there. Really i think it's time online games became more intelligent, more sophisticated, more evolved. Not that I am saying that EVE is the best example of such but at least it tries to be more than one dimensional in it's gameplay. I still cannot fathom why those who love combat PVP are not out there shooting each other and instead choose to whine that they can't get no action. Go to low sec, go to 0.0, have a ball man. People btch and complain that other players who have all their skill points put into non combat pursuits, a.k.a. carebears, don't want to fight them with all their combat skills and uber combat ships. Well DUH! For that matter the upcoming releases are all towards a thing CCP calls Faction Warfare, not Industrial Revolution. All their promo vids are of war, war, war. So you know I think it's time that the steroid injected pitbulls of EVE stop foaming at the mouth so much and realize the nice big bone CCP is giving you. **
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.04.18 20:35:00 - [72] Originally by: RedFall You fail!!! Andy Kaufman would be spinning in his grave. You should've seen how long you could keep this up and how many people you could really **** off. You have much to learn, young Padawan, about the psyche of the average forumer. Most of them will knee-jerk a reaction to the first post and never bother to try to understand it at all. This can be used as an indicator for the mental age of most forumers. /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Awox Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:29:00 - [73] Originally by: Ki An To support my PvP I am forced to operate a second account and grind missions, something I find extremely lame and boring. I am thus forced to PvE against my will in order to engage in the parts of the game I enjoy. This is completely unfair. That doesn't sound very awesome. Originally by: Ki An Implement these changes so that us PvP players can engage in PvP and not be forced into PvE against our will. Wait. What? You know when you kill a ship it always drops a wreck. Usually there is stuff in the wreck. You could just use/sell that stuff. - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it)
jinpoh	Posted - 2007.04.18 21:36:00 - [74] Just got to say OMG people are you completely of your rockers. Havent you read the posts, he said is was sarcasm. This is why the game is going downhill if you ask me.
Guizzy Time Cube Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:00:00 - [75] Edited by: Guizzy on 18/04/2007 22:00:17 If you're whining about how you can't get good PvP, then just spar with your alliance mates. You could even organise "training exercises" with scenarios. Or organise frigate fights in your alliance; easily replacable ships, tons of fun if done right. Sure PvP loses much of its appeal when there's so little riding on it, but wouldn't that also be the case if PvP players were excused from the little amount of grinding they have to do to get their fun? The OP might have been sarcastic at first, but with so many people whining seriously about similar subjects in other threads, it gets hard to distinguish, so you'll have to excuse us.
madaluap Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:23:00 - [76] Edited by: madaluap on 18/04/2007 22:20:00 I never understood why people have so much problems with understanding sarcasm on the internet. I mean even my RL friends have problems understanding internetsarcam. Even when its as obvious as the OP his post. His post is basicly the counter of the: OMG I RUN ZE MISSIONS1!!1!! I GOT KILLED REMOVE ZEH PVP, ITS MY MONEY I WANT TO PVE, NO PVP!111!11 This guy just says: OMG I WANT TO 1337PVP ALL ZE DAYS, ITS MY MONEY I WANT TO PVP, NO PVE111!1!!11 I would be rich if i sold sarcam detectors, thats for sure. _________________________________________________ Breetime A killmail!11!1 omgrawr: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:23:00 - [77] This thread depresses me in the head. Then I imagine all the people too stupid to get the concept of sarcasm choking to death because they forgot what breathing is and I cheer up. Also - no Venkul. Just because you share the same opinion as someone doesn't mean you're a supporter of them. If I think smoking is bad for you, does that make me a H.itler supporter now?
RedFall Irreligion	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:24:00 - [78] Originally by: Nero Scuro Also - no Venkul. Just because you share the same opinion as someone doesn't mean you're a supporter of them. If I think smoking is bad for you, does that make me a H.itler supporter now? I think it does.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:25:00 - [79] Originally by: jinpoh Just got to say OMG people are you completely of your rockers. Havent you read the posts, he said is was sarcasm. This is why the game is going downhill if you ask me. Quit trying to cloud the issue with facts, you will ruin everything. Noob in training...
Nero Scuro	Posted - 2007.04.18 22:37:00 - [80] Originally by: RedFall Originally by: Nero Scuro Also - no Venkul. Just because you share the same opinion as someone doesn't mean you're a supporter of them. If I think smoking is bad for you, does that make me a H.itler supporter now? I think it does. And I think you have *** in the face.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.04.19 00:35:00 - [81] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Sorted Errr.. its a tonge in cheek post ya?.. I need more coffe...... if its not.. no risk=no fun=every other MMO? I think it's only a fair adaptation of the normal PvE player's demand to not be forced into PvP. I only feel that equal treatment for all is the way to go. /Ki http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=508378
hUssmann Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.04.19 00:42:00 - [82] Originally by: madaluap OMG I RUN ZE MISSIONS1!!1!! I couldn't help thinking of the 'End of the world' flash when I read that. ______________________________________ Phoenix Lonestar > Server lag was non-existant pre Dragon.
flaming phantom Minmatar Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2007.04.19 01:14:00 - [83] funny, but in its own light, kinda makes sence, but ultimatley...no
Nai Ling Amarr Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.04.19 01:42:00 - [84] Originally by: hUssmann Originally by: madaluap OMG I RUN ZE MISSIONS1!!1!! I couldn't help thinking of the 'End of the world' flash when I read that. V Dub in da haus! _______________________________________________
Serevance	Posted - 2007.04.19 02:15:00 - [85] WTT clue..
Keorythe Caldari Terra Rosa Militia	Posted - 2007.04.19 02:44:00 - [86] I dont understand the whole "pvp is dead or dying" posts that have come about since this change. Privateers exploited a flaw in the system to be able to war dec dozens and dozens of corp/alliances for so little cost. The changes now make wars more serious. Now you have to actually prosecute an "EMPIRE" war to its fullest unless you have money to throw away. Otherwise you have to move to low sec or 0.0 (oh noes!) if you want to get some real pvp. Maybe I'm just used to 0.0 too much. With great power comes great responsibility...and hawt cyborz!
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.04.19 03:47:00 - [87] Ironically, the only way PvE players can opt completely out of PvE is to join an NPC corp. PvE players can't run every single complex, so why should PvP players have free reign to PvP anybody they like? Well, now they can't. And what do PvP players get out of having control of low/0.0 sec? PvE activities,,,,,, Personally I love the development of how PvP is not the same as Alliance fighting. How doing nothing but hunting people is not the same as eliminating people who threaten your resources.
Ket Halpak ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.19 04:09:00 - [88] Originally by: xeom If carebears can choose not to PVE and still play perfectly fine.Why can't the pvp'er? This is total bull$h1t really.Not asking for seperate market but if we have to PVE they should have to PVP I see this as a narrow minded and ignorant view. There are 2 types of PvP direct and indirect. PvP refers to any action where a player compeats with another player. Direct pvp is going shooty-shooty bang-bang purdy explosion, of which you refer to as the ONLY type of pvp. Indirect pvp is what I follow, I beat people to that mineral buy order, that nice trade route and I sell that ship for cheaper than someone else. I sell loot, buy minerals for 0.01 isk higher than someone else, construct weapons and ships, while all the time having to be aware of the market around me. I am compeating with other players for that sell, for that purchase, for that asteroid, for that npc rat. Carebears PvP all the time, it just takes more effort than going f1 f2 f3. _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony
TrulyKosh Solo for UNCLE	Posted - 2007.04.19 14:38:00 - [89] Originally by: Ki An In order to rectify this and bring equality back into the game I would propose that PvP players get a separate market where all mods are available free of charge. The PvE players can keep their own market. Further, all our ships should be free, and we shouldn't have to pay for clones or implants. Implement these changes so that us PvP players can engage in PvP and not be forced into PvE against our will. Thank you. /Ki If anyone involved in PVP gets his/her ships and items back at no cost ... so would anyone you shoot/kill, because they are also involved in PVP at the time. I only invest in businesses that even a fool can run. Because some day a fool will. (Warren Buffett)
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.04.19 15:39:00 - [90] Originally by: Ki An Why should I have to do something I don't enjoy in order to enjoy other parts of the game if Joe Carebear gets to opt out of the things he don't like and only focus on grinding for isk? This is just WRONG on so many levels. -- CCP: PLEASE fix the forum software - thanks.

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