I absolutely love how the propoganda train just steamrolls over those who refuse to think for themselves. I expect someone will now return that I dont think for myself since I fight for my goon masters, but really, do you know? Do you REALLY claim to KNOW how the CFC works or indeed anythign about it other than that you hate it? And why do you hate it? Because you do not understand it, because you believe the mindless propoganda. No, you really dont know enough about us to have any understanding, carry on hating us, it just fuels our reason to kill you.

Go forth mindless haters, our cannons await you with sweet anticipation.

Like calling non-Goons pubbies is in the CFC, hating the Goons is a meme in Hisec. That some people take it seriously shows how much Hisec needs more interesting things to do.

Pubbies are anyone that doesn't have a SomethingAwful account; and is not defined by alliance/corp membership.
You can be a 'goon' in a number of MMOs, the community isn't inclusive to EvE.

Goons are a pretty well organized community, much more so then any other alliance or coalition in the game; the only runner up would be TEST (and thats because they built their structure around the goons, and they have linked services).

You can hate the CFC as much as you want, just like everyone else... pray the MaelSwarm never finds you.

It's moments like this that make kill boards worthwhile.

That being said, I think they should be destructible. On occasion it might make for some interesting strategic decisions. Salting the earth and poisoning the well stratagems are not used often enough in EVE.

If your neighbor is getting strong enough to pose a threat, and you can take them but don't have the manpower to control their territory in addition to your own, destroying all the stations in their space sounds like a viable way to seriously impair their abilities to leverage income from the area. If they leave as a result, the next occupants have to devote significant resources to developing the area before they can become a threat to you.

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An SA account holder is a Goon, if I have the terminology right. So, a Pubbie is anyone who isn't a Goon. I think we agree.

I agree with you on organization, Goons are amazingly cohesive. Not many alliances would survive whoopsing their entire Sov.

And who ever said I hate the Goons? Had I stayed in WI(no)DOT, I'd be in GoonSwarm(Alliance, no SA account here) now. I'd probably be having fun up to my balls flying with them like I did when in WI. But I didn't for ::Reasons::

So, I agree with you on all points except me disliking the Goons. I'll shoot them anytime I have the chance, but that's just cause we're not allies right now.

Destructible outposts will mean that it will be possible for the big 0.0 powerblocs to operate a schorched earth (space?) policy.

This will make it harder for smaller groups to gain a decent foothold in 0.0.

Bullshit. Indestructible outposts benefit big powerblocs far more than they do smaller groups.

As proved by the fact that currently 0.0 is all big powerblocs right now.


If outposts were destructible then small independant alliances like the one I am part of would have a chance to do some actual damage to big powerblocs. Several times we've managed to temporarily gain control of an outpost, but against massed bloc fleets "temporary" is the best we can do. As it is, all we can currently do is inconvenience them. Being able to actually destroy those outposts would at least give us the opportunity to inflict some lasting harm.

Powerblocs have no incentive to destroy rental property

If outposts were destructible then small independant alliances like the one I am part of would have a chance to do some actual damage to big powerblocs. Several times we've managed to temporarily gain control of an outpost, but against massed bloc fleets "temporary" is the best we can do. As it is, all we can currently do is inconvenience them. Being able to actually destroy those outposts would at least give us the opportunity to inflict some lasting harm.

And making the stations destructible is going to do what for you? Maybe if your corp wasn't 350kills to 2000 losses you'd have the muscle to ref and claim a system. Instead you've decided to come here to huff and puff and stomp your feet saying if you can't have one then neither can anyone else?

Maybe if you weren't a failure at pvp you would get them before they dock. Now you have fun loosing more armor tanked hurricanes. I have to get back to burning Branch to the ground and taking the enemies stations away with my fellow blues.

Bullshit. Indestructible outposts benefit big powerblocs far more than they do smaller groups.

As proved by the fact that currently 0.0 is all big powerblocs right now.


If outposts were destructible then small independant alliances like the one I am part of would have a chance to do some actual damage to big powerblocs. Several times we've managed to temporarily gain control of an outpost, but against massed bloc fleets "temporary" is the best we can do. As it is, all we can currently do is inconvenience them. Being able to actually destroy those outposts would at least give us the opportunity to inflict some lasting harm.

Powerblocs have no incentive to destroy rental property

So...

If someone was inside an outpost while it was destroyed, and if they had a monocle.... would the monocle survive?

So...

If someone was inside an outpost while it was destroyed, and if they had a monocle.... would the monocle survive?

Why fix it if it ain't broken?

It is broken.

It's only broken to people who can't take and hold a station to begin with.

Food for thought:

People will defend CSAA's with much ferocity.. (unless White Noise.) and they only cost 2b, plus the super thats cooking inside of that; this is a perfect example for an 'alarm clock' strat op, whereas people will wake their sorry asses up to come defend someone's future Super.

Outposts cost more to build then Supers. Have multiple reinforced timers, and are generally No where close as quick to flip over as a Large Tower and Mods will explode. (CSAA can get vollied by a few battleships).

Conquering outposts takes time, multiple Ops, and the always fun bridging or the gawdawful '600 men through a star gate traffic control circle jerk'. ::Tinfoil:: All the assets in the station would likely be destroyed, all the ships, ammo, and everything else gone. No more firesales, no more free killmails from reds undocking from a station that isnt theirs anymore. It would completely re-shape the null-sec community.

So all the budding tiny alliances out there that can't currently conquer them, won't fare any better if they are destroyable.

Wanna know what happens to 200 people that form up to defend against the power bloc? Ask White Noise.

Xolve, consider this.

For a good part of EVE's history some of the most dynamic alliances had little or no interest in holding SOV or owning stations. Instead they would strike, destroy, and move on.

Destructible outposts would help revitalize this. If implemented, smaller alliances may be able to catch a larger alliance away from home, involved in a larger fight elsewhere. When they attack the station the larger alliance must decide whether to go back and defend it, let it fall, or try to fight on both fronts.

As it stands now they would simply ignore it, knowing they can go back later and retake that station.

Smaller alliances have difficulty holding stations they have taken from larger alliances, but it is very difficult for a larger alliance to seek retribution when the smaller group has nothing for the larger group to focus on and attack.

This suits the play style of a merc group perfectly... and that's a very good thing.

It would also make larger groups think twice before putting huge amounts of infrastructure all over the place, along with the in station materials to support them. They would tend to focus their efforts on the systems they felt most confident about being able to hold, again, creating gaps in SOV.

There isn't much of a downside except to well entrenched power blocks, and even they can use it to their advantage if they are smart. I think we'll see this implemented soonish.

With any luck this will happen when POS's are redone, and hopefully their capabilities will be expanded (perhaps make them a viable pick up point for a contract) to allow them to fill the gap (in a limited yet logical way) in systems with no station. POS's that could serve as a crude trading post or equipment depo/pick up point would help.

Xolve, consider this.

For a good part of EVE's history some of the most dynamic alliances had little or no interest in holding SOV or owning stations. Instead they would strike, destroy, and move on.

Destructible outposts would help revitalize this. If implemented, smaller alliances may be able to catch a larger alliance away from home, involved in a larger fight elsewhere. When they attack the station the larger alliance must decide whether to go back and defend it, let it fall, or try to fight on both fronts.

As it stands now they would simply ignore it, knowing they can go back later and retake that station.

Smaller alliances have difficulty holding stations they have taken from larger alliances, but it is very difficult for a larger alliance to seek retribution when the smaller group has nothing for the larger group to focus on and attack.

This suits the play style of a merc group perfectly... and that's a very good thing.

It would also make larger groups think twice before putting huge amounts of infrastructure all over the place, along with the in station materials to support them. They would tend to focus their efforts on the systems they felt most confident about being able to hold, again, creating gaps in SOV.

There isn't much of a downside except to well entrenched power blocks, and even they can use it to their advantage if they are smart. I think we'll see this implemented soonish.

With any luck this will happen when POS's are redone, and hopefully their capabilities will be expanded (perhaps make them a viable pick up point for a contract) to allow them to fill the gap (in a limited yet logical way) in systems with no station. POS's that could serve as a crude trading post or equipment depo/pick up point would help.