Lets sort these 0.0 carebears out!
And make their local chat invisible.

Please bring the whining on :)

why not sort these carebears out yourself?

too hard to get past the border camps?

No they just dock up when i enter local..

No they just dock up when i enter local..

I have to get back to burning Branch to the ground and taking the enemies stations away with my fellow blues.

No they just dock up when i enter local..

F&I spam goes in the F&I subforum.

And making the stations destructible is going to do what for you? Maybe if your corp wasn't 350kills to 2000 losses you'd have the muscle to ref and claim a system. Instead you've decided to come here to huff and puff and stomp your feet saying if you can't have one then neither can anyone else?

Maybe if you weren't a failure at pvp you would get them before they dock. Now you have fun loosing more armor tanked hurricanes. I have to get back to burning Branch to the ground and taking the enemies stations away with my fellow blues.

That being said, I think they should be destructible. On occasion it might make for some interesting strategic decisions. Salting the earth and poisoning the well stratagems are not used often enough in EVE.

Lets sort these 0.0 carebears out!

And make their local chat invisible.

Destructible outposts will mean that it will be possible for the big 0.0 powerblocs to operate a schorched earth (space?) policy.

This will make it harder for smaller groups to gain a decent foothold in 0.0.

No, if anything it will make them easier, large powerblocks will have to increase concentration in there central systems in order to save there main stations from destruction, potentially receeding the size of there true space and leaving the gaps in between to be taken by smaller groups. It'll stop the whole business of station systems with 1 person in local.

There would be a good reason to kill a station, as there is always a good reason to kill something in this game.

But the "destroy everything" crowd will not use that reason.

0.0 NPC space should not have stations anyway. Heck every time I go there (through wormholes because that border is indeed camped) I never use stations. Every time I pop into a system, the ratting ships and sometimes a mining ship (rare) vanishes off D-Scan and within a minute or two someone is outside the station in some T2 cruisers smacktalking me in Russian.


Why do they think the first thing I do is dock up? I spend weeks in 0.0 and never dock up. Never need to. Why is everybody so stuck on using stations as part of their ship? With proper planning and good tactics you don't need them except once in a while.

Lets sort these 0.0 carebears out!
And make their local chat invisible.

Please bring the whining on :)

[quote=Herzog Wolfhammer]
How many ships do you have in your hangar in Hisec? People who live in 0.0 need to have access to a portfolio of ships just as badly as people in Hisec do. 0.0 was originally intended for long term colonization, thus Stations. Wormholes were not intended for long term colonization (that they have been colonized anyway is just evidence that CCP doesn't understand its players), thus POSes.

I always feel the need to address the WH issue. People I believe misread CCP all the time on the WH thing. It's not that CCP did not intend for people to colonize WH space. Its that they did not design it to cater to colonization. It is simply that they did not design WH space specifically to cater to colonization. WH space is the unknown frontier and as such should not be as easy to colonize. But that is very different from CCP not expecting peoplet to colonize. Quite the contrary I believe they did expect people would move in. But that doesn't mean they had to make it easy to do so.

Yes report back to your masters for service sir.

I absolutely love how the propoganda train just steamrolls over those who refuse to think for themselves. I expect someone will now return that I dont think for myself since I fight for my goon masters, but really, do you know? Do you REALLY claim to KNOW how the CFC works or indeed anythign about it other than that you hate it? And why do you hate it? Because you do not understand it, because you believe the mindless propoganda. No, you really dont know enough about us to have any understanding, carry on hating us, it just fuels our reason to kill you.

Go forth mindless haters, our cannons await you with sweet anticipation.

Like calling non-Goons pubbies is in the CFC, hating the Goons is a meme in Hisec. That some people take it seriously shows how much Hisec needs more interesting things to do.

Pubbies are anyone that doesn't have a SomethingAwful account; and is not defined by alliance/corp membership.
You can be a 'goon' in a number of MMOs, the community isn't inclusive to EvE.

Goons are a pretty well organized community, much more so then any other alliance or coalition in the game; the only runner up would be TEST (and thats because they built their structure around the goons, and they have linked services).

You can hate the CFC as much as you want, just like everyone else... pray the MaelSwarm never finds you.

It's moments like this that make kill boards worthwhile.

That being said, I think they should be destructible. On occasion it might make for some interesting strategic decisions. Salting the earth and poisoning the well stratagems are not used often enough in EVE.

If your neighbor is getting strong enough to pose a threat, and you can take them but don't have the manpower to control their territory in addition to your own, destroying all the stations in their space sounds like a viable way to seriously impair their abilities to leverage income from the area. If they leave as a result, the next occupants have to devote significant resources to developing the area before they can become a threat to you.

[quote=Xolve]
An SA account holder is a Goon, if I have the terminology right. So, a Pubbie is anyone who isn't a Goon. I think we agree.

I agree with you on organization, Goons are amazingly cohesive. Not many alliances would survive whoopsing their entire Sov.

And who ever said I hate the Goons? Had I stayed in WI(no)DOT, I'd be in GoonSwarm(Alliance, no SA account here) now. I'd probably be having fun up to my balls flying with them like I did when in WI. But I didn't for ::Reasons::

So, I agree with you on all points except me disliking the Goons. I'll shoot them anytime I have the chance, but that's just cause we're not allies right now.

Destructible outposts will mean that it will be possible for the big 0.0 powerblocs to operate a schorched earth (space?) policy.

This will make it harder for smaller groups to gain a decent foothold in 0.0.

Bullshit. Indestructible outposts benefit big powerblocs far more than they do smaller groups.

As proved by the fact that currently 0.0 is all big powerblocs right now.


If outposts were destructible then small independant alliances like the one I am part of would have a chance to do some actual damage to big powerblocs. Several times we've managed to temporarily gain control of an outpost, but against massed bloc fleets "temporary" is the best we can do. As it is, all we can currently do is inconvenience them. Being able to actually destroy those outposts would at least give us the opportunity to inflict some lasting harm.

Powerblocs have no incentive to destroy rental property

If outposts were destructible then small independant alliances like the one I am part of would have a chance to do some actual damage to big powerblocs. Several times we've managed to temporarily gain control of an outpost, but against massed bloc fleets "temporary" is the best we can do. As it is, all we can currently do is inconvenience them. Being able to actually destroy those outposts would at least give us the opportunity to inflict some lasting harm.

And making the stations destructible is going to do what for you? Maybe if your corp wasn't 350kills to 2000 losses you'd have the muscle to ref and claim a system. Instead you've decided to come here to huff and puff and stomp your feet saying if you can't have one then neither can anyone else?

Maybe if you weren't a failure at pvp you would get them before they dock. Now you have fun loosing more armor tanked hurricanes. I have to get back to burning Branch to the ground and taking the enemies stations away with my fellow blues.

Bullshit. Indestructible outposts benefit big powerblocs far more than they do smaller groups.

As proved by the fact that currently 0.0 is all big powerblocs right now.


If outposts were destructible then small independant alliances like the one I am part of would have a chance to do some actual damage to big powerblocs. Several times we've managed to temporarily gain control of an outpost, but against massed bloc fleets "temporary" is the best we can do. As it is, all we can currently do is inconvenience them. Being able to actually destroy those outposts would at least give us the opportunity to inflict some lasting harm.

Powerblocs have no incentive to destroy rental property

So...

If someone was inside an outpost while it was destroyed, and if they had a monocle.... would the monocle survive?

So...

If someone was inside an outpost while it was destroyed, and if they had a monocle.... would the monocle survive?

Why fix it if it ain't broken?

It is broken.

It's only broken to people who can't take and hold a station to begin with.

Food for thought:

People will defend CSAA's with much ferocity.. (unless White Noise.) and they only cost 2b, plus the super thats cooking inside of that; this is a perfect example for an 'alarm clock' strat op, whereas people will wake their sorry asses up to come defend someone's future Super.

Outposts cost more to build then Supers. Have multiple reinforced timers, and are generally No where close as quick to flip over as a Large Tower and Mods will explode. (CSAA can get vollied by a few battleships).

Conquering outposts takes time, multiple Ops, and the always fun bridging or the gawdawful '600 men through a star gate traffic control circle jerk'. ::Tinfoil:: All the assets in the station would likely be destroyed, all the ships, ammo, and everything else gone. No more firesales, no more free killmails from reds undocking from a station that isnt theirs anymore. It would completely re-shape the null-sec community.

So all the budding tiny alliances out there that can't currently conquer them, won't fare any better if they are destroyable.

Wanna know what happens to 200 people that form up to defend against the power bloc? Ask White Noise.

Xolve, consider this.

For a good part of EVE's history some of the most dynamic alliances had little or no interest in holding SOV or owning stations. Instead they would strike, destroy, and move on.

Destructible outposts would help revitalize this. If implemented, smaller alliances may be able to catch a larger alliance away from home, involved in a larger fight elsewhere. When they attack the station the larger alliance must decide whether to go back and defend it, let it fall, or try to fight on both fronts.

As it stands now they would simply ignore it, knowing they can go back later and retake that station.

Smaller alliances have difficulty holding stations they have taken from larger alliances, but it is very difficult for a larger alliance to seek retribution when the smaller group has nothing for the larger group to focus on and attack.

This suits the play style of a merc group perfectly... and that's a very good thing.

It would also make larger groups think twice before putting huge amounts of infrastructure all over the place, along with the in station materials to support them. They would tend to focus their efforts on the systems they felt most confident about being able to hold, again, creating gaps in SOV.

There isn't much of a downside except to well entrenched power blocks, and even they can use it to their advantage if they are smart. I think we'll see this implemented soonish.

With any luck this will happen when POS's are redone, and hopefully their capabilities will be expanded (perhaps make them a viable pick up point for a contract) to allow them to fill the gap (in a limited yet logical way) in systems with no station. POS's that could serve as a crude trading post or equipment depo/pick up point would help.

Xolve, consider this.

For a good part of EVE's history some of the most dynamic alliances had little or no interest in holding SOV or owning stations. Instead they would strike, destroy, and move on.

Destructible outposts would help revitalize this. If implemented, smaller alliances may be able to catch a larger alliance away from home, involved in a larger fight elsewhere. When they attack the station the larger alliance must decide whether to go back and defend it, let it fall, or try to fight on both fronts.

As it stands now they would simply ignore it, knowing they can go back later and retake that station.

Smaller alliances have difficulty holding stations they have taken from larger alliances, but it is very difficult for a larger alliance to seek retribution when the smaller group has nothing for the larger group to focus on and attack.

This suits the play style of a merc group perfectly... and that's a very good thing.

It would also make larger groups think twice before putting huge amounts of infrastructure all over the place, along with the in station materials to support them. They would tend to focus their efforts on the systems they felt most confident about being able to hold, again, creating gaps in SOV.

There isn't much of a downside except to well entrenched power blocks, and even they can use it to their advantage if they are smart. I think we'll see this implemented soonish.

With any luck this will happen when POS's are redone, and hopefully their capabilities will be expanded (perhaps make them a viable pick up point for a contract) to allow them to fill the gap (in a limited yet logical way) in systems with no station. POS's that could serve as a crude trading post or equipment depo/pick up point would help.

Consider this if every 0.0 system in non-npc 0.0 is filled with outposts, there will be no need to build more outposts ever again [unless CCP allows multiple outposts in a system] so that means no one will ever buy outpost blueprints again. You may as well remove anything involving the construction of outposts from the game since all of them are currently indestructable.

What about the lawless empty expanses of 0.0? No more will they be in the non npc 0.0 regions as almost every system will be filled with an outpost which will most likely be derelict. The emptiness and space of 0.0 will be no-more.

an outpost goes up maybe once a month.

Some great posts here about this issue, i have updated the Op post.
And all this will be a great isk sink! And the miners will profit!

So you think the small guys could blow up potentially billions of ISK worth of goods in a station, and you little people could build outposts and restock them... without the 'power bloc' coming back and rapesaucing your station? Riiiight.

This, coupled with something preventing a group holding sov in 200+ systems and actually only using 5