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Inflicted
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:18:00 -
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Like wolfs, jaguars, etc. I was searching for setups and they all date back to 2004/2005. Are the heavy assaults better or something?
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Segmentor
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:22:00 -
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Not that they are better they are just a totally different shipclass. An in case of jag/wolf, their setups havent really changed much since then.
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Marcathonas
Minmatar
Zephyr Manufacturing Group
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:23:00 -
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Assaults = frigs
Heavy assaults = cruisers
So, yes.
Having said that, I still like to fly jag/wolf. Problem is, they're taken down by a well fit cruiser, and a well-fit cruiser often costs less than the jag/wolf alone.
They're fun to fly but not very cost effective 
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NoNah
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:24:00 -
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Yes, theyre still flown, but its use is very narrow, I personally mostly use it as a scout and for those moments when you need a small ship, be it complexes, be it medium transports, be it fighting interceptors.
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kessah
Caldari
The Arrow Project
The ARR0W Project
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:27:00 -
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there like being with a fat chick, there fun to ride, but you dont want your mate to see you with one...
heh, nah seriously there pretty useful still im sure...
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:32:00 -
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If you're going to fly a frig, any FC would rather have you in a 'ceptor because you're more useful and more likely to survive.
 Originally by: Benglada
And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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DeadRow
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.19 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
there like being with a fat chick, there fun to ride, but you dont want your mate to see you with one...
heh, nah seriously there pretty useful still im sure...
Rofl
But disagree with you on usefulness, pretty much any cruiser[t1] can kill them and they're slow as hell.
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Jei'son Bladesmith
Bladesmith Mining and Development Consortium
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Posted - 2007.04.19 19:04:00 -
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We use assault frigs all the time for exploration (especially when an expedition kicks off) and running complexes. A pack of well-equipped AFs can muster some serious punch combined with great mobility (my Retribution hits just shy of 1,000 m/s with an AB without even tryin)
Plus they're jus so damn cute.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 19:38:00 -
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Medium Nos > AF
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Raeff
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.19 19:41:00 -
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Jag ftw
amazing ship if fit right and very versatile .. hands down the most useful AF ive flown, and i can fly and have flown all of them
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:01:00 -
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Good anti-tackler ship in fleet battles, and fun to use on smaller ships that are ratting, but either way I would rather be in a HAC, Interceptor, BC, BS, etc.
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Medium Nos > AF
except retribution with pulse(scorch) or beam, or artillery wolf, or rail enyo, or rail harpy
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Marduk Felzhen
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Posted - 2007.04.19 20:58:00 -
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I think both hacs and af's are outclassed by tech 2 bc's and cruisers respectively. I believe only teh command ship has any merit by itself. That being said, many people still fly hacs and af's, as they are fun to fly, looks cool, and if skill/money wasnt an issue, its completely effective. What most people forget is that they're not as attracive compared to Tier 2 bc/cruisers is because the prices is jacked up waaay to high by the bpo owners. If you compare their cost to their insurance payout you'll see. Now if they cost similarly to their insurance pay out, they would be waaay more popular
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VanNostrum
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Posted - 2007.04.19 21:05:00 -
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true, recons are the new hacs now
but i dont think hac usage is going to diminish, recons reqire more diverse training (in ew area) so more of the new players will get to hacs before they fly recons, as it's a step to field command ships anyhow.
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madaluap
Gallente
Mercenary Forces
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.19 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Medium Nos > AF
lol nos takes ages. Why is nos so, i-win suddenly. Just pick the proper damagetype and rattle away. Its dead faster than even a medium neut will nuke its cap.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.19 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Kruel
Medium Nos > AF
lol nos takes ages. Why is nos so, i-win suddenly. Just pick the proper damagetype and rattle away. Its dead faster than even a medium neut will nuke its cap.
No.
Maybe in a minmatar AF where you don't need cap to shoot, but in most others, your dead if you go into nos/web range on a cruiser with one or both of those.
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Calarn
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lucifer Fellblade
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Kruel
Medium Nos > AF
lol nos takes ages. Why is nos so, i-win suddenly. Just pick the proper damagetype and rattle away. Its dead faster than even a medium neut will nuke its cap.
No.
Maybe in a minmatar AF where you don't need cap to shoot, but in most others, your dead if you go into nos/web range on a cruiser with one or both of those.
..then use your superior agility & speed to keep range and kite?
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Phish1
Liberty Forces
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:06:00 -
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hell yeah i do, im enjoying being bait in a retribution, solo in wolf/jag and ishkur
not a fan of the caldari ones, but the harpy is actually pretty decent in a camp hitting at 100km 4TW!
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Cpt Abestos
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:09:00 -
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A frigs best way to survive is to speed tanks and afs except the jag are pretty slow and heavy.
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:22:00 -
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True, long range AFs can stay out of med nos range... but they do crap damage. Plus I don't see how a stabber can't fill the same role better and cheaper.
If AFs were faster and more agile I'd like them a lot more.
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.19 22:55:00 -
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AF's are fine as they are.
The problem is their cost. If they'd go for say 3m a pop, they'd be really viable in pvp.
As it stands now "meh".
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Sionide
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.04.19 23:37:00 -
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I lub my jag, but yeah I have to choose my targets carefully.
And honestly the cost isn't much of a diff compared to matar cruisers now that 220mm proj scout or prototype are like in the 2 mil range (don't get me started on med t2 proj).
rupture = 7 mil
4 220mm (proto or scout) = 8 mil
med arm rep II = 2 mil
whatever = 1 mil
total = 18 mil
Jag = 18 mil
stuff = 2 mil
total = 20 mil
Ok, so you get like 4 mil back from insurance or whatever depending on what plan you have, but honestly it's not that big of a difference. I fly both, and I love both (as I do the hurricane).
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.19 23:49:00 -
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They got a completely unnecessary nerf a year ago or so. A fairly large increase to sig radius. They used to have a sig radius closer to interceptors but it got changed to be close to the t1 ship they where based on.
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Dethis
Caldari
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.19 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Ryysa
AF's are fine as they are.
The problem is their cost. If they'd go for say 3m a pop, they'd be really viable in pvp.
As it stands now "meh".
This is pretty much it. For the price of an AF i can fly a T2 Thorax/vexor and kill a hell of a lot more and if i do die i got insurance still.
Atm besides the novelty factor (i still fly around in a blaster enyo when im bored) they are not practical or cost efficient. a ceptor/cruiser can fill either roles the AF may have and be a lot more effective.
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Vincent Gaines
Avis de Captura
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Posted - 2007.04.20 00:51:00 -
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I love my Harpy but as said they got nerfed and the cost makes them pricey to lose.
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Sojiuro
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Posted - 2007.04.20 03:30:00 -
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I think most of you are wrong. There is a place for all AF's. My favorite ship at the moment is the Harpy... I fit it blasters or rails depending. There is no better ship then a sniper harpy to pick off the interceptors. With a damage setup, Spike hits around 75km, antimatter 20km and javelin at 6km. That being said any tackle on a bigger ship will get torn apart by it. When i fly in fleets i pick off drones and intys.
Alot of assault frigs fill different roles. They are great tacklers, in that they have great resists and they can hold the tackle for hella long (hawk). I think the problem with most AF pilots is that they dont examine their enemies before engaging. It comes with time playing but u have to know what ur opponent is gonna be running. If ur running blasters and u attack a thorax/vexor, yes u are gonna get pwned. However if u attack a stabber with antimatter and a web, prepare to do some dmg. All in all you have to weigh what ur opponent can bring and compare it to ur setup. the word SPECIALIZED comes into play here.
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Mink Latur
Amarr
Private Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.20 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
there like being with a fat chick, there fun to ride, but you dont want your mate to see you with one...
heh, nah seriously there pretty useful still im sure...
Im pretty sure, or more likely hope, there is more sense in you than i would expect from that statement...
I hope you are not any older then 12 for the women you met. And if your ever "handled" a women like that, i sure as hell hope she comes back and rips you toungh out.
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Gladiator Jonny
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Posted - 2007.04.20 08:57:00 -
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honestly i love my ishkur.
people complaining about they cant kill cruisers are just wrong tbh  (depending on the cruiser) i dont think i ever killed a rupture  and vexors are a pain.
yea, interceptors are probabily more useful but if somebody lands a decent shot your in structure. besides, ill fly a ceptor when theirs one desinged for drones 
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Prall
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Posted - 2007.04.20 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Gladiator Jonny
honestly i love my ishkur.
people complaining about they cant kill cruisers are just wrong tbh (depending on the cruiser) i dont think i ever killed a rupture and vexors are a pain.
yea, interceptors are probabily more useful but if somebody lands a decent shot your in structure. besides, ill fly a ceptor when theirs one desinged for drones
same here. ishkur rocks :D a drone ceptor would pwn!
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen
The Pentagram
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Posted - 2007.04.20 11:09:00 -
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Afs are sexy.
It's a shame they aren't faster than the average cruiser.
Especially the caldari ones are crappy slow, even a caracal cann reach higher speeds.
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