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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
956
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Posted - 2017.02.01 21:57:04 -
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Loaded up the launcher, saw a CSM video. clicked the link. Facebook.
I do not have, and will never have a facebook account. I shouldn't have to sign a contract with facebook, giving them rights to my whole life, just to keep up with eveonline news.
Please post it elsewhere.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1459
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Posted - 2017.02.01 22:50:57 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Loaded up the launcher, saw a CSM video. clicked the link. Facebook.
I do not have, and will never have a facebook account. I shouldn't have to sign a contract with facebook, giving them rights to my whole life, just to keep up with eveonline news.
Please post it elsewhere. You don't need to sign anything. Click the link. Watch the video.
Or don't.
No need to have a Facebook account. No need to give them any rights to your whole life.
You can keep up just fine by clicking the link, watching without being logged in and then closing the tab.
Talk about over reaction.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Boozbaz
Brutor Clan
37
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Posted - 2017.02.01 22:57:19 -
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I, for one, don't care if they use facebook video. |
Merias Tylar al-Akhwa
Order of Contention
1
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Posted - 2017.02.02 01:40:14 -
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Facebook video is so painful to use... Maybe I'd have developed the sort of Stockholm Syndrome needed to be okay with it if I actually had a facebook page, dunno. Suppose I'm in the minority but I really wish they'd just upload it elsewhere instead. |
Shrimp And Grittz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2017.02.02 02:21:28 -
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lol unless you have something that removes "trackers" such as ghostery app for windows, companies and 3rd parties already have an extensive profile on you. Just for logging into the EVE online forums, there is two trackers which are Optimizely (Site Analytics) and Google Tag Manager (Essential).
Vast majority of sites ask for your permission to track your behavior online while there's also a sh*t ton that don't. I wouldn't worry about Facebook dude. I'm sure companies already have a pretty nice profile on what your favorite food is to your favorite bed time story as a kid.
So have fun on Facebook and create yourself an account.
Better Understanding |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2646
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Posted - 2017.02.02 03:13:18 -
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Dearest OP,
Look up; Occulus Rift CCP partners with Occulus Rift Who owns Occulus Rift
Think about it. Don't overthink it, though
Is it all a big deal? No.
Relax
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference pdf
EvE links
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2Sonas1Cup
196
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Posted - 2017.02.02 03:34:01 -
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CCP once again proving theyre up with the times
Facebook link in 2017
Edit: Its a surprise they didnt link you to myspace |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1233
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Posted - 2017.02.02 04:05:46 -
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I just deleted my facebook account. The next day.... I get an email notice that so and so posted a pic on facebook... I get an unsubscribe notice in the fine print. The next day I get another email notice that someone sent me a message.
Hotel California plays in the background....
I stopped liking Facebook when I read the Zynga, read Farmville, TOS and EULA that said basically: Hi!! We own your life now that you clicked accept!! Enjoy the ****** game!!
And here I thought CCP taking away my cookie was bad enough lol
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
960
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Posted - 2017.02.02 08:29:36 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:You don't need to sign anything. Click the link. Watch the video. Or don't. No need to have a Facebook account. No need to give them any rights to your whole life. You can keep up just fine by clicking the link, watching without being logged in and then closing the tab. Talk about over reaction.
I could only see the video for a fraction of a second, before a giant white box popped up demanding i sign in or sign up. Surely these should be posted on youtube or vimeo or something as well?
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
2407
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Posted - 2017.02.02 08:34:57 -
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You can click on the "Not Now" button and watch the video without logging in with FB. Problem solved.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1461
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Posted - 2017.02.02 08:45:15 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:I could only see the video for a fraction of a second, before a giant white box popped up demanding i sign in or sign up. Surely these should be posted on youtube or vimeo or something as well? And if you'd spent even more than 1 second jumping to outrage, you would have also seen a link below those buttons, letting you just dismiss the box (the 'not now' link).
Simple. Just takes a couple of seconds of observation, thought and emotional control.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1864
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Posted - 2017.02.02 09:37:05 -
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Terminal Insanity wrote:Loaded up the launcher, saw a CSM video. clicked the link. Facebook.
I do not have, and will never have a facebook account. I shouldn't have to sign a contract with facebook, giving them rights to my whole life, just to keep up with eveonline news.
Please post it elsewhere.
I don't support facebook in any way too.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2042
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Posted - 2017.02.02 10:52:42 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:I could only see the video for a fraction of a second, before a giant white box popped up demanding i sign in or sign up. Surely these should be posted on youtube or vimeo or something as well? And if you'd spent even more than 1 second jumping to outrage, you would have also seen a link below those buttons, letting you just dismiss the box (the ' not now' link). Simple. Just takes a couple of seconds of observation, thought and emotional control. .... and then perfect advertisement consumer borns...
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1379
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:37:57 -
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All this plebs that don't dual boot into a linux partition on a separate for shitbook logins.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1461
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:48:06 -
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March rabbit wrote:.... and then perfect advertisement consumer borns... Don't be an idiot.
There aren't ulterior motives behind every link you click, just because you don't like the website.
**** there are some paranoid fools here.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1586
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Posted - 2017.02.02 12:12:39 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:March rabbit wrote:.... and then perfect advertisement consumer borns... Don't be an idiot. There aren't ulterior motives behind every link you click, just because you don't like the website. **** there are some paranoid fools here.
This is Eve. Of course we're paranoid. Pot smoking mental patients look at us and go wow, you guys are ******* paranoid.
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Xayder
Infinitum Cartel Stella Nova
382
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Posted - 2017.02.02 12:49:16 -
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Op needs a cookie
I don't always post, But when i post I do it with my main
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
12
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:17:50 -
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Lot of whiny disgraces in this thread. Complain about actual problems please, not a third party website hosting a short video. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3892
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:52:42 -
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Players - "CCP Y U No market game for more new players?"
*CCP starts marketing*
Players - "CCP why you marketing on the biggest social media platform in the world, i dont like looking at it plz stop"
Alliance Logo Design Service
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Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
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CCP Falcon
13557
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Posted - 2017.02.02 14:08:55 -
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Facebook live gives us a fast, easy and direct way to share content. If you don't like it, then don't use it.
However, the vast majority of our players are fine with watching a video on one of the world's most popular social media sites, so we'll continue to host content there.
At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3446
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:26:02 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
That's incredibly lazy, to be honest. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1965
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:29:20 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Lot of whiny disgraces in this thread. Complain about actual problems please, not a third party website hosting a short video.
"Actual problems" = (insert Wolfgang Jannesen's idea of a problem here). |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
1588
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:40:16 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
That's incredibly lazy, to be honest.
As opposed to not watching the video where it already exists?
Eve is like an addiction; you can't quit it until it quits you.
Also, iderno
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
15093
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:44:11 -
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Not seeing an issue here. I refuse to have anything to do with Facebook personally, but you don't have to have a facebook account or log in or anything to view those videos.
Much ado about nothing. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1205
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:50:58 -
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Left the Eve Online Facebook group a long time ago.
@lunettelulu7
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3894
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:52:31 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Left the Eve Online Facebook group a long time ago.
thats not even an official group
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Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3446
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:54:04 -
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Elenahina wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
That's incredibly lazy, to be honest. As opposed to not watching the video where it already exists?
As opposed to not advertising your **** everywhere you should. I have no issue with Facebook. I have an issue with the Devs spending more time replying to these dipshit threads than they do uploading their advertising materials to multiple platforms to reach the broadest audience possible. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3894
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Posted - 2017.02.02 15:55:36 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Elenahina wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
That's incredibly lazy, to be honest. As opposed to not watching the video where it already exists? As opposed to not advertising your **** everywhere you should. I have no issue with Facebook. I have an issue with the Devs spending more time replying to these dipshit threads than they do uploading their advertising materials to multiple platforms to reach the broadest audience possible.
do you think the developers deal with social media marketing lol thats super cute
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Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1205
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Posted - 2017.02.02 16:01:19 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Left the Eve Online Facebook group a long time ago. thats not even an official group
Lots of the game's scandal was bleeding into real life and was ugly to watch lol
@lunettelulu7
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3446
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Posted - 2017.02.02 16:08:23 -
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Lan Wang wrote:
do you think the developers deal with social media marketing lol thats super cute
So is your badly formatted Twitter post that you mistakenly put on the EVE-O forum. |
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3895
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Posted - 2017.02.02 16:14:20 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Lan Wang wrote:
do you think the developers deal with social media marketing lol thats super cute
So is your badly formatted Twitter post that you mistakenly put on the EVE-O forum.
wut?
Alliance Logo Design Service
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Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel
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Ano Regni
The Scope Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2017.02.02 16:22:02 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:...At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
Because nobody uses that unpopular platform known as YouTube =ƒÖä
I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1559
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Posted - 2017.02.02 16:26:14 -
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Facebook is evil. I have never gotten into more trouble than when I was using that thing. You literally can't say anything without everyone hearing about it. May as well not say anything at all, which completely contradicts the whole point of facebook.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
377
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Posted - 2017.02.02 17:01:29 -
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It's pretty simple economics for CCP to have their videos on Facebook, since the only people who dont have a Facebook are tinfoil hatters, who don't realise companies have their details already.
However if I was the marketing team, I would not be content having these videos, which are advertisements, in only one place. I would want to push the video to as many potential customers as possible, using as many big platforms as is practicable.
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34819
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Posted - 2017.02.02 17:06:43 -
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I can't relate but a lot of players have a facebook for their eve character and that's like next level RP
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
25121
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Posted - 2017.02.02 17:52:39 -
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Angry CONCORD guy have even twitter account. I think if he would not browse twitter so much, actual response time of CONCORD would be a lot faster...
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Aurelius Oshidashi
Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council.
20
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Posted - 2017.02.02 18:01:33 -
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Yes, our privacy is at stake when using Facebook. However, if that is a concern to you, you should stop using any online thing that requires you to log in, perhaps even stop using the Internet entirely, because of ppl want to harm you using your data, they don't need Facebook at all.
So I believe we have two choices in life. Use the Internet, accept they own some your data and don't worry about it.
Or stop using the website entirely and also stop worrying.
There's enough in life to worry about. This shouldn't be one of them, don't make things harder for yourself than needed! |
Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
311
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Posted - 2017.02.02 18:10:21 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I can't relate but a lot of players have a facebook for their eve character and that's like next level RP
That's an interesting idea. Got a "fake" google (and thus youtube) account already.
Which leads to the obvious question: Which is the greater evil for the paranoid, Facebook or Youtube?
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6415
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Posted - 2017.02.02 18:23:36 -
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The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Eleonora Crendraven
Global Communications AG
94
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Posted - 2017.02.02 18:24:37 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
Thank you. Problem solved.
https://twitter.com/gcAG_EVE
http://eveboard.com/pilot/Eleonora_Crendraven
GëíGïüGëí
"The prince of darkness is a gentleman. (3.4.148) "
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Leahzon
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.02.02 18:44:49 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved.
However, using Facebook (or any form of social media) for official company correspondence is not very professional. The proper route to take would be to host their videos on the Eve website. That is how professionals communicate with their customers.
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KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
417
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Posted - 2017.02.02 19:54:53 -
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Leahzon wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved. However, using Facebook (or any form of social media) for official company correspondence is not very professional. The proper route to take would be to host their videos on the Eve website. That is how professionals communicate with their customers. The CSM is a CCP marketing tool. As such, anything produced is an advertisement and belongs on an advertising platform. It's certainly not "official company correspondence."
KB
Dum Spiro Spero
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Alan Mathison
Star Tide Industries Lin Kuei Kokuryukai.
67
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Posted - 2017.02.02 20:00:37 -
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Leahzon wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved. However, using Facebook (or any form of social media) for official company correspondence is not very professional. The proper route to take would be to host their videos on the Eve website. That is how professionals communicate with their customers.
Well, that's how professionals communicated with their customers in the 1990s...
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Alan Mathison, Explorer & Industrialist, Star Tide Industries
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
400
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Posted - 2017.02.02 20:03:20 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved. It is not convenient for me.
In related news, Fozzie has posted a poll in Twitter. I'm not participating either. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1205
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Posted - 2017.02.02 21:05:58 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved. It is not convenient for me. In related news, Fozzie has posted a poll in Twitter. I'm not participating either.
I don't like tweetfleet as much as I used to since the US election but CCP would be pretty stupid and foolish to not use every means at their disposal to get everyone involved on as many social media platforms as possible. I don't like r/eve or the facebook at all personally but I check here and Twitter multiple times a day. I remember a huge push from CCP and it's community leadership to get players connected on instagram or whatever as well.
I almost never check CCP's main page anymore.. it's target audience seems to be towards the curious consumer that has heard of our game and gets thrown lots of little things if they signed up today.
Would be interesting to see a breakdown or analysis by playstyle and what method you stay connected with the game is.
@lunettelulu7
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1465
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Posted - 2017.02.02 21:16:58 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved. It is not convenient for me. In related news, Fozzie has posted a poll in Twitter. I'm not participating either. How is clicking a link and watching a video in one site any less convenient then clicking a link and watching the same video on a different site?
That's some screwed up "I hate ..." thinking disguised as inconvenience.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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morion
Lighting Build
181
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Posted - 2017.02.02 21:28:21 -
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Never will Face book the end . |
morion
Lighting Build
182
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Posted - 2017.02.02 21:38:54 -
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unless CCP owns it ... |
epicurus 2
Secret Passage
1
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Posted - 2017.02.02 21:45:10 -
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Nope, not in this lifetime, do not underestimate the number of people who WILL NOT USE FACEBOOK under any circumstances.
Consider any message, video or news ever posted to there lost to me and many of your other customers.
As the saying goes, suck it up, and get over yourselves.
Nothing is important enough, that you could ever say that justifies facebook rummaging through my life and data like a starving racoon.
Too much?
Actually no. |
Kenneth Endashi
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
116
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Posted - 2017.02.02 22:04:04 -
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Add me to the list of people who don't wish to use Facebook. I would like to turn around CCP Falcon's condescending remarks as to why don't we use the world's most popular social media site, and ask, why not upload your videos to the world's most popular video upload site?
On the privacy & security front, there are a number of valid reasons not to use Facebook, which were recently addressed in a separate thread just two weeks ago: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=507776 There, instead of offering easy, practical solutions like uMatrix and VPN to users, a moderator told us to either get used to our privacy being invaded, or "give up Facebook."
I am among those users who - as the ISD suggested - chose to give up Facebook.
I would like to add that in order to use youtube, you only need to enable the single script that delivers youtube videos; however, in order to view a facebook video, you have to enable other, privacy-threatening script envelopes before the video player becomes available for viewing, which the user must then, in turn, also enable.
Privacy violating data trackers are present regardless of whether the user is logged in, which is the root of the concern being raised by OP, and categorically dismissed by CCP Falcon.
I love the game and community, but not Falcon's cavalier attitude toward our valid concerns. Privacy is important. |
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.02 22:39:40 -
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epicurus 2 wrote:Nothing is important enough, that you could ever say that justifies facebook rummaging through my life and data like a starving racoon.
Too much?
Actually no. Hahaha the tears from this are just hilarious now.
I hope CCP put every video there now. This is genius.
People with no clue getting so bent out of shape. Glorious.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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epicurus 2
Secret Passage
2
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Posted - 2017.02.02 22:46:32 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:epicurus 2 wrote:Nothing is important enough, that you could ever say that justifies facebook rummaging through my life and data like a starving racoon.
Too much?
Actually no. Hahaha the tears from this are just hilarious now. I hope CCP put every video there now. This is genius. People with no clue getting so bent out of shape. Glorious.
Well, when CCP wonders why they are not getting the response they expected, maybe they should not have learned their marketing from a 2003 magazine article.
And enjoy all those ever so useful offers you never even considered purchasing, Again, and again, and....until your dying day.
And thats the best case scenario.
Enjoy your facebook, You won't see us there, so you will probably imagine we don't exist.
Win win for us. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1392
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Posted - 2017.02.02 22:59:37 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:If you don't like it, then don't use it. Whoa, slow there with the customer service!
CCP Falcon wrote:one of the world's most popular social media sites There's a saying about a human waste product and certain insects consuming it. Can't remember how it goes.
CCP Falcon wrote:At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when. Please excuse the snark - I don't know where I'm getting this idea, but I think you may have a somewhat capable server too. So you could, you know, host them yourselves. Don't get me wrong, please advertise the game wherever you feel like. But if it's important information concerning the players that you already have, I think you should stick to your own services to communicate it.
I myself try to avoid Facebook wherever possible, and I would love to be able to see what my elected representatives are doing without using a 3rd party service. I don't see why this would be a problem.
This is not only an issue I see with those specific videos. It's the same with devs posting and discussing things on reddit or twitter or wherever, but not on your own forums. And it's not the first time this topic has come up either.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6418
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Posted - 2017.02.02 23:19:33 -
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KaarBaak wrote:Leahzon wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved. However, using Facebook (or any form of social media) for official company correspondence is not very professional. The proper route to take would be to host their videos on the Eve website. That is how professionals communicate with their customers. The CSM is a CCP marketing tool. As such, anything produced is an advertisement and belongs on an advertising platform. It's certainly not "official company correspondence." KB
I beg to differ on the marketing tool.
I'm entirely free to publicly disagree with CCP, and have done on occasion.
Of course, when I do, I'm professional about it. It's just common courtesy.
Woo! CSM XI!
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Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3072
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Posted - 2017.02.02 23:47:23 -
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Neuntausend wrote:
This is not only an issue I see with those specific videos. It's the same with devs posting and discussing things on reddit or twitter or wherever, but not on your own forums. And it's not the first time this topic has come up either.
That's because too many people dislike the moderation here and CCP, in it's usual way of handling things, decided to not tell those ass-blasted player to HTFU and follow the rules. Better go to reddit where 3rd parties make the moderation instead of yourself, especially after you spend god know how much corporate resources building your own forum... |
Ano Regni
The Scope Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2017.02.02 23:53:20 -
[56] - Quote
Mr Mieyli wrote:It's pretty simple economics for CCP to have their videos on Facebook, since the only people who dont have a Facebook are tinfoil hatters, who don't realise companies have their details already.
However if I was the marketing team, I would not be content having these videos, which are advertisements, in only one place. I would want to push the video to as many potential customers as possible, using as many big platforms as is practicable.
Because said individuals who don't or who limit P.I.I. are software engineers/developers that knows what happens on the other end of these great and wondetful social media data collection beasts and prefer to live off grid *grabbing my tinfoil hat and exiting stage*
I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
989
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Posted - 2017.02.02 23:55:38 -
[57] - Quote
Mr Mieyli wrote:It's pretty simple economics for CCP to have their videos on Facebook, since the only people who dont have a Facebook are tinfoil hatters, who don't realise companies have their details already.
However if I was the marketing team, I would not be content having these videos, which are advertisements, in only one place. I would want to push the video to as many potential customers as possible, using as many big platforms as is practicable.
Its not "tinfoil hat" if its literally exactly what they're doing. Openly. Admitted to. Refusing to use it is a form of boycott. Its how you tell a company you do not like their practices. You 'vote with your wallet'. If you dont mind companies harvesting every detail of your private life and circulating it like a giant stalker network, then go ahead and use it. But personally i dont think that should be a thing thats happening, so i refuse to use it.
Elenahina wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
That's incredibly lazy, to be honest. As opposed to not watching the video where it already exists? Actively boycotting a company and seeking that content elsewhere is not "lazy". It in fact takes more work to find the content, rather than just using the provided link. Its hard work!
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
989
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Posted - 2017.02.03 00:02:36 -
[58] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:The videos were recorded quickly, without extensive setup. Doing it on facebook allowed CCP to do it 'live', in the room where we had the meetings.
Convenient for everyone involved. Why couldn't we use Twitch like the o7 show? It allows for easy, quick, painless live streaming, as well as saving the video for later.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4885
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Posted - 2017.02.03 00:19:17 -
[59] - Quote
Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:I just deleted my facebook account. The next day.... I get an email notice that so and so posted a pic on facebook... I get an unsubscribe notice in the fine print. The next day I get another email notice that someone sent me a message. Hotel California plays in the background.... I stopped liking Facebook when I read the Zynga, read Farmville, TOS and EULA that said basically: Hi!! We own your life now that you clicked accept!! Enjoy the ****** game!! And here I thought CCP taking away my cookie was bad enough lol Oh man.... That's like something out of AOL in 1998. Except AOL just made it virtually impossible to figure out a way to unsubscribe. FB is worse, they have your info stored, for their bots to have their way with. Forever. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 00:22:21 -
[60] - Quote
epicurus 2 wrote:Well, when CCP wonders why they are not getting the response they expected... Do they? Where have they indicated this?
Quote:...maybe they should not have learned their marketing from a 2003 magazine article. Facebook wasn't founded until 2004. I doubt they learnt it from 2003 marketing.
Quote: Enjoy your facebook, You won't see us there, so you will probably imagine we don't exist.
Win win for us.
I don't have a Facebook account either. Never have, never will.
This whole thing is about a video that you can watch, without any need for a Facebook account. The perspective on this is hilarious. Bunch of space nerds. It's so comical.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
757
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Posted - 2017.02.03 01:42:50 -
[61] - Quote
Shrimp And Grittz wrote:lol unless you have something that removes "trackers" such as ghostery app for windows, companies and 3rd parties already have an extensive profile on you. Just for logging into the EVE online forums, there is two trackers which are Optimizely (Site Analytics) and Google Tag Manager (Essential). Vast majority of sites ask for your permission to track your behavior online while there's also a sh*t ton that don't. I wouldn't worry about Facebook dude. I'm sure companies already have a pretty nice profile on what your favorite food is to your favorite bed time story as a kid. So have fun on Facebook and create yourself an account. Better Understanding Ghostery is collecting telemetry about you that the company behind it then sells to 3rd parties. Use EFFs Privacy Badger plugin instead. That actually respects your privacy. Same goes for AdBlock Plus with their whitelists. I recommend uBlock Origin, which also runs way, way faster. And NoScript is a must-have as well, along with rejecting all cookies by default and using a tight whitelist for that.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
757
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Posted - 2017.02.03 01:58:21 -
[62] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:This whole thing is about a video that you can watch, without any need for a Facebook account. The perspective on this is hilarious. Bunch of space nerds. It's so comical. At the very least I'd have to turn Javascript on for them and most likely cookies too. I refuse to do either, but with every facebook domain known to me directing to 0.0.0.0 (yeah, I actually filled /etc/hosts up with that crap, not that it matters much) it's a no-brainer anyway. Can't watch what I can't even access.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Ano Regni
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:28:35 -
[63] - Quote
What a dumpster fire
Just post the video to YouTube CeeCeePee. It will settle
I am not a pirate, I work in private acquisition and redistribution dealing in personal assets
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Railyn Quisqueya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
63
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:36:59 -
[64] - Quote
Alan Mathison wrote:
Well, that's how professionals communicated with their customers in the 1990s...
I for one welcome the 1990s... Again. |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1140
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:48:09 -
[65] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Loaded up the launcher, saw a CSM video. clicked the link. Facebook.
I do not have, and will never have a facebook account. I shouldn't have to sign a contract with facebook, giving them rights to my whole life, just to keep up with eveonline news.
Please post it elsewhere. grow up kid this is 2017 and not 1990. You are using the internet there is no privacy or you accept it or you will lose the war. Just make damn fake account on with vpn on. Nuff said. Social media is the new way of life adept or die.
Do i agree with you yeah but i know my losses. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:49:23 -
[66] - Quote
Linus Gorp wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:This whole thing is about a video that you can watch, without any need for a Facebook account. The perspective on this is hilarious. Bunch of space nerds. It's so comical. At the very least I'd have to turn Javascript on for them and most likely cookies too. I refuse to do either, but with every facebook domain known to me directing to 0.0.0.0 (yeah, I actually filled /etc/hosts up with that crap, not that it matters much) it's a no-brainer anyway. Can't watch what I can't even access. YouTube uses a different approach to FaceBook, but whether through an embedded iFrame or HTML5 player, you're not going to have a great experience if you have JavaScript turned off. If you are watching videos with JavaScript turned off, then you've authorised an exception at some point.
It's possible to come up with all sorts of chains to narrow down problems with any site. YouTube, FaceBook, Twitter, Vimeo, etc., it doesn't matter which, you can object all you like.
Doesn't change the stupidity in this thread of people claiming they need to give access to their whole life to watch a video, when you don't even need an account at all.
As for cookies, who cares? Why all the fear about cookies saved by a site that you don't otherwise use at all? Just delete them, like with any site. Tokens in LocalStorage too.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
992
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:53:42 -
[67] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Loaded up the launcher, saw a CSM video. clicked the link. Facebook.
I do not have, and will never have a facebook account. I shouldn't have to sign a contract with facebook, giving them rights to my whole life, just to keep up with eveonline news.
Please post it elsewhere. grow up kid this is 2017 and not 1990. You are using the internet there is no privacy or you accept it or you will lose the war. Just make damn fake account on with vpn on. Nuff said. Social media is the new way of life adept or die. Do i agree with you yeah but i know my losses. its too easy for me to reject it. im not about to exchange my rights for a csm video. i dont see what benefit facebook brings that is worth signing their contract, so if that means i cant watch a csm video, im perfectly willing to do that. if you're willing to give up yuor rights for a csm video, that is also your right
im just asking if it could also be posted elsewhere because there are many of us who resist against facebook. i dont care if its cool or hip to not care about our rights anymore, maybe im just old. But thats my choice
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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The Slayer
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:54:53 -
[68] - Quote
Domanique Altares wrote:Elenahina wrote:Domanique Altares wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
That's incredibly lazy, to be honest. As opposed to not watching the video where it already exists? As opposed to not advertising your **** everywhere you should. I have no issue with Facebook. I have an issue with the Devs spending more time replying to these dipshit threads than they do uploading their advertising materials to multiple platforms to reach the broadest audience possible.
CSM meeting minutes aren't "advertising material" though? |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 02:59:17 -
[69] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:its too easy for me to reject it. im not about to exchange my rights for a csm video. Hahaha. What rights are you exchanging if you were to watch that video?
My god, members of this community are stupid at times.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
992
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:09:39 -
[70] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:its too easy for me to reject it. im not about to exchange my rights for a csm video. Hahaha. What rights are you exchanging if you were to watch that video? My god, members of this community are stupid at times.
You must not have read the facebook contracts you agreed to when signing up. And avoided all the news articles discussing its overreach. I dont really blame you tbh, everyone just clicks Accept to anything. People install flashlight apps on their phone with every permission possible, so someone accepting a facebook contract blindly isnt surprising.
Have you ever wondered how the largest social media site on the planet operates for free? all that bandwidth, free? I'll give you a hint: You are the product.
I dont understand why people get so offensive about this. Im not forcing you to do anything.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Pix Severus
Empty You
5851
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:12:26 -
[71] - Quote
You can watch the video without a Facebook account. When the thing pops up telling to you sign-in or register, click "Not now".
I personally despise Facebook, even Mark Zuckerberg has been documented calling users of his site "dumb *****" for trusting him with their info.
Despite all that, CCP can use any platform they wish.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:17:58 -
[72] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:its too easy for me to reject it. im not about to exchange my rights for a csm video. Hahaha. What rights are you exchanging if you were to watch that video? My god, members of this community are stupid at times. You must not have read the facebook contracts you agreed to when signing up. FFS. You don't need an account to watch the video.
So again, given you don't even need an account with FaceBook at all, what rights do you need to exchange?
**** you're stupid.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
992
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:27:42 -
[73] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:its too easy for me to reject it. im not about to exchange my rights for a csm video. Hahaha. What rights are you exchanging if you were to watch that video? My god, members of this community are stupid at times. You must not have read the facebook contracts you agreed to when signing up. FFS. You don't need an account to watch the video. So again, given you don't even need an account with FaceBook at all, what rights do you need to exchange? **** you're stupid. It goes beyond facebook's signup contract. They also collect data on everyone even if they dont use facebook, even if you never sign up. Refusing to use facebook includes never visiting the site. Never being a part of it. Never registering as a "view" on any of their videos. Never registering as a "hit" on any of their pages. Never being a recipient of an advertisement on their site. They only exist because people use it. If people stopped using it, they cant stay in business. You are supporting a business that is stripping the privacy of every person on the internet. Thats your choice, but its also my choice to avoid it like the plague. If im a horrible ****** person for not submitting to a horrible company, that i gladly take that title. Im a horrible ******* person. Im a complete idiot for not using facebook.
Now that we've cleared that up, can we get over attacking me personally and just discuss the pros/cons of simply posting the video elsewhere? As someone said earlier, its about marketing. Well, posting it on other sites would only expand that marketing reach, would it not?
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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The Slayer
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:34:32 -
[74] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:its too easy for me to reject it. im not about to exchange my rights for a csm video. Hahaha. What rights are you exchanging if you were to watch that video? My god, members of this community are stupid at times. You must not have read the facebook contracts you agreed to when signing up. And avoided all the news articles discussing its overreach. I dont really blame you tbh, everyone just clicks Accept to anything. People install flashlight apps on their phone with every permission possible, so someone accepting a facebook contract blindly isnt surprising. Have you ever wondered how the largest social media site on the planet operates for free? all that bandwidth, free? I'll give you a hint: You are the product. I dont understand why people get so offensive about this. Im not forcing you to do anything.
You realise this is the same with Youtube, yes? |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:38:13 -
[75] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:It goes beyond facebook's signup contract. They also collect data on everyone even if they dont use facebook, even if you never sign up. Refusing to use facebook includes never visiting the site. Never being a part of it. Never registering as a "view" on any of their videos. Never registering as a "hit" on any of their pages. Never being a recipient of an advertisement on their site. They only exist because people use it. If people stopped using it, they cant stay in business. You are supporting a business that is stripping the privacy of every person on the internet. Thats your choice, but its also my choice to avoid it like the plague. If im a horrible ****** person for not submitting to a horrible company, that i gladly take that title. Im a horrible ******* person. Im a complete idiot for not using facebook.
Now that we've cleared that up, can we get over attacking me personally and just discuss the pros/cons of simply posting the video elsewhere? As someone said earlier, its about marketing. Well, posting it on other sites would only expand that marketing reach, would it not? Holy ****. It's 1984 arrived.
The pros/cons of posting the video elsewhere? You would be in no different a position in terms of what you give up (close to 0) by watching that video on FaceBook, YouTube, Vimeo, or anywhere else.
The level of paranoia is nuts.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
992
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:46:07 -
[76] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Holy ****. It's 1984 arrived.. It really has. We're living in an age where people are literally insulting others for not wanting to use a monitoring device. Scroll up and look at all the insults, simply because i dont want to use facebook. Amazing isnt it?
War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength And not using facebook is idiocy, apparently.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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The Slayer
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:48:13 -
[77] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Holy ****. It's 1984 arrived.. It really has. We're living in an age where people are literally insulting others for not wanting to use a monitoring device. Scroll up and look at all the insults, simply because i dont want to use facebook. Amazing isnt it? War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength And not using facebook is idiocy, apparently.
But see this is the thing. You aren't asking to not use a monitoring device. You are asking CCP to use the monitoring device that YOU want them to use. You think Google doesn't receive analytics from you browsing youtube? |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 03:56:24 -
[78] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Holy ****. It's 1984 arrived.. It really has. We're living in an age where people are literally insulting others for not wanting to use a monitoring device. Scroll up and look at all the insults, simply because i dont want to use facebook. Amazing isnt it? We've got people on the right saying they dont want healthcare. People on the left calling for nuclear war. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aeQ3DmKU7AWar is Peace. Freedom is Slavery. Ignorance is Strength And not using facebook is idiocy, apparently. Wrong.
I'm insulting you for spewing bullshit all over this thread, complaining about having to sign a contract with FaceBook to watch a CSM video, claiming you have to give them access to all of your privacy to watch a CSM video, claiming you couldn't watch it when you didn't have an account and claiming wrongly multiple times about having to sign up.
I could care less about you not wanting to have a FaceBook account and not wanting to support them. I don't have an account either. I could care less about them.
But the bullshit you have spun in this thread deserves ridicule.
And now, throwing in even more rubbish about war and healthcare.
This is a simple link, to a short video that exposes you to no privacy risk higher than any other site the video could be hosted on where you don't have an account. Nothing bigger then that.
If you are concerned about the risk to your privacy that these CSM videos provide, why are you even using the internet at all?
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
992
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Posted - 2017.02.03 04:00:31 -
[79] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:But see this is the thing. You aren't asking to not use a monitoring device. You are asking CCP to use the monitoring device that YOU want them to use. You think Google doesn't receive analytics from you browsing youtube? I dont think ccp cares tbh. as for youtube, i've got a VM set up for it, and am confident in how i've protected myself from them while using it. Other than that, you've gotta pick your battles. I've decided to never touch facebook, and simply asking for it to be posted somewhere else. Im pretty sure im not the only person who wont use it.
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 04:21:56 -
[80] - Quote
Terminal Insanity wrote:.. and simply asking for it to be posted somewhere else... If that was all you'd done, this thread wouldn't be the trainwreck it is.
From your OP (post #1):
I shouldn't have to sign a contract with facebook, giving them rights to my whole life, just to keep up with eveonline news.
Post #9:
I could only see the video for a fraction of a second, before a giant white box popped up demanding i sign in or sign up.
Post #57:
If you dont mind companies harvesting every detail of your private life and circulating it like a giant stalker network, then go ahead and use it.
Post #67:
im not about to exchange my rights for a csm video. i dont see what benefit facebook brings that is worth signing their contract, so if that means i cant watch a csm video, im perfectly willing to do that.
Post #73:
They also collect data on everyone even if they dont use facebook, even if you never sign up... ...You are supporting a business that is stripping the privacy of every person on the internet.
If you'd just simply (as claimed above) asked for the video to be hosted elsewhere, I'd even agree with you. It's all the scaremongering and bullshit about having to sign away your privacy to keep up to date with Eve Online, etc. That's the objection. You've been wrong in our facts the entire thread.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Terminal Insanity
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
992
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Posted - 2017.02.03 05:19:14 -
[81] - Quote
The first post was fine. It didnt warrant any of the insults. The other posts were just replies to those insults
"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8754
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Posted - 2017.02.03 05:42:32 -
[82] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:Terminal Insanity wrote:Loaded up the launcher, saw a CSM video. clicked the link. Facebook.
I do not have, and will never have a facebook account. I shouldn't have to sign a contract with facebook, giving them rights to my whole life, just to keep up with eveonline news.
Please post it elsewhere. grow up kid this is 2017 and not 1990. You are using the internet there is no privacy or you accept it or you will lose the war. Just make damn fake account on with vpn on. Nuff said. Social media is the new way of life adept or die. Do i agree with you yeah but i know my losses.
Only internet illiterates think there is no privacy on the internet. It's actually pretty easy to get privacy on the internet. A few people here have even gone over how. It's actually pretty easy to get privacy on Facebook too.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
379
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Posted - 2017.02.03 08:20:49 -
[83] - Quote
1984 was a book.
Facebook collects personal data but so does any website. Google tracks every search you make to advertise to you, they are all at it. Targeted adverts have been a thing for a long time now. Who knows what else they do with the data, it likely sits on some dusty server doing not a lot.
I get the view that companies should keep out of your private life, but boycotting then on your own is useless. The fact that Facebook has grown to the size it is, despite your boycott, shows that most people are content. You are stuck in a reality tunnel where companies and the govt are out to track your every move so they can crush opposition, only that doesn't happen or all the conspiracy folk would magically disappear...
A case for more AoE in EvE
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Lexia Nova
CybinSect
2
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Posted - 2017.02.03 08:56:36 -
[84] - Quote
Regardless of your stance on facebook or other sites and forums, it is in my opinon very bad practice to have information about your game dotted all over the internet first, before having it on your actual website.
What is so hard about having the main pool of information and videos on eveonline.com? If you cant host videos then you have your youtube account that I would assume would be your next port of call after the eve online forums / website.
More than anything else , like someone else said - Fackbook links really? In 2017? |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2017.02.03 08:59:18 -
[85] - Quote
Lexia Nova wrote:Regardless of your stance on facebook or other sites and forums, it is in my opinon very bad practice to have information about your game dotted all over the internet first, before having it on your actual website.
What is so hard about having the main pool of information and videos on eveonline.com? If you cant host videos then you have your youtube account that I would assume would be your next port of call after the eve online forums / website.
More than anything else , like someone else said - Fackbook links really? In 2017? Did you even bother to read the thread at all?
In particular, did you read this post which explains why they did it this way in this instance:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6818951#post6818951
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Lexia Nova
CybinSect
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Posted - 2017.02.03 09:00:22 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Facebook live gives us a fast, easy and direct way to share content. If you don't like it, then don't use it.
However, the vast majority of our players are fine with watching a video on one of the world's most popular social media sites, so we'll continue to host content there.
At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when.
I didnt realise CCP had started to opt for the nonchalant attitude towards their players concerns. I for one would appreciate you guys uploading things to youtube as its a lot more user friendly.
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Lexia Nova wrote:Regardless of your stance on facebook or other sites and forums, it is in my opinon very bad practice to have information about your game dotted all over the internet first, before having it on your actual website.
What is so hard about having the main pool of information and videos on eveonline.com? If you cant host videos then you have your youtube account that I would assume would be your next port of call after the eve online forums / website.
More than anything else , like someone else said - Fackbook links really? In 2017? Did you even bother to read the thread at all? In particular, did you read this post which explains why they did it this way in this instance: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6818951#post6818951 "At some point we'll probably add these videos to our YouTube channel, but there's no guarantee on when."
Does that sound like a professional company to you? Should they not have said something like - "We will endavour to upload all content to youtube asap" .
Its really not hard to upload a video to youtube. I understand the live aspects of facebook but this is such a small simple thing that would make people happy.......CCP cant accomodate?
P.S
I do feel like im blowing this out of proportion now, possibly this whole thread is to be quite honest but I do understand some peoples concerns. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.02.03 09:13:03 -
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Ano Regni wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:It's pretty simple economics for CCP to have their videos on Facebook, since the only people who dont have a Facebook are tinfoil hatters, who don't realise companies have their details already.
However if I was the marketing team, I would not be content having these videos, which are advertisements, in only one place. I would want to push the video to as many potential customers as possible, using as many big platforms as is practicable. Because said individuals who don't or who limit P.I.I. are software engineers/developers that knows what happens on the other end of these great and wondetful social media data collection beasts and prefer to live off grid *grabbing my tinfoil hat and exiting stage*
then the software engineers and developers should know that its not only facebook who collect data but literally every company on the planet, if you have such an issue with privacy then just go ahead and remove any internet connected device from your life, then move to a mountain shack away from any living life so nobody can invade your privacy
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
402
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Posted - 2017.02.03 09:50:41 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:How is clicking a link and watching a video in one site any less convenient then clicking a link and watching the same video on a different site?
That's some screwed up "I hate ..." thinking disguised as inconvenience. I clicked the link and it didnt work. Said I should log in or something. So I closed it. Simple as that. |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
759
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Posted - 2017.02.03 09:51:28 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Ano Regni wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:It's pretty simple economics for CCP to have their videos on Facebook, since the only people who dont have a Facebook are tinfoil hatters, who don't realise companies have their details already.
However if I was the marketing team, I would not be content having these videos, which are advertisements, in only one place. I would want to push the video to as many potential customers as possible, using as many big platforms as is practicable. Because said individuals who don't or who limit P.I.I. are software engineers/developers that knows what happens on the other end of these great and wondetful social media data collection beasts and prefer to live off grid *grabbing my tinfoil hat and exiting stage* then the software engineers and developers should know that its not only facebook who collect data but literally every company on the planet, if you have such an issue with privacy then just go ahead and remove any internet connected device from your life, then move to a mountain shack away from any living life so nobody can invade your privacy There are plenty of companies that respect your privacy and with a little work the digital footprint we leave behind can be reduced massively. The tools are there, it's just that people choose not to give a ****, as has happened so many times before and then we end up with police states, censorships, dicatorships and all kinds of other gruesome stuff that nobody wants but didn't do anything to prevent it either.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/03/28/mass-surveillance-silences-minority-opinions-according-to-study/ https://moxie.org/blog/we-should-all-have-something-to-hide/ https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392
We are heading straight for global mass surveillance and total authority and apparently nobody but a very few give a **** about it. Let's see what you all think when that future is here in all its glory and if you continue to not care.
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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epicurus 2
Secret Passage
5
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Posted - 2017.02.03 11:01:13 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Ano Regni wrote:Mr Mieyli wrote:It's pretty simple economics for CCP to have their videos on Facebook, since the only people who dont have a Facebook are tinfoil hatters, who don't realise companies have their details already.
However if I was the marketing team, I would not be content having these videos, which are advertisements, in only one place. I would want to push the video to as many potential customers as possible, using as many big platforms as is practicable. Because said individuals who don't or who limit P.I.I. are software engineers/developers that knows what happens on the other end of these great and wondetful social media data collection beasts and prefer to live off grid *grabbing my tinfoil hat and exiting stage* then the software engineers and developers should know that its not only facebook who collect data but literally every company on the planet, if you have such an issue with privacy then just go ahead and remove any internet connected device from your life, then move to a mountain shack away from any living life so nobody can invade your privacy There are plenty of companies that respect your privacy and with a little work the digital footprint we leave behind can be reduced massively. The tools are there, it's just that people choose not to give a ****, as has happened so many times before and then we end up with police states, censorships, dicatorships and all kinds of other gruesome stuff that nobody wants but didn't do anything to prevent it either. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2016/03/28/mass-surveillance-silences-minority-opinions-according-to-study/ https://moxie.org/blog/we-should-all-have-something-to-hide/ https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007392 We are heading straight for global mass surveillance and total authority and apparently nobody but a very few give a **** about it. Let's see what you all think when that future is here in all its glory and if you then continue to not care, or wish you had actually done something against it before it was too late.
It is interesting that those who seem to have either no regard for their privacy, or who have given up with even trying to keep some semblance of it, get to call others who do "stupid" and "idiots".
Yes, we know, the internet has become a cesspool full of people who for whatever reason demand to know more about us than our own family.
In the early days they needed to pay people to astroturf just about everywhere to persuade us we were somehow "strange" for not embracing Big Brother, but it seems that they were so persuasive that people are now willing to do that job for them for free, ah well, you can't cure either gillible, naive or stupid.
So sorry to those, we know all this, and we will no more invite Facebook into our lives, than invite a rabid racoon, that we witness biting our neighbours, into our home, on the off chance it might suddenly become friendly. The best case scenario is it will only crap on the carpet.
Maybe CCP marketing and CCP falcon will realise that we will not "suck it up" and they are getting a reaction that is, shall we say, suboptimal from a customer relations point of view. |
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1396
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Posted - 2017.02.03 11:16:23 -
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Quote:You have chosen to follow an external link. This link leads to a site outside of the control of CCP and, as such, we cannot offer any guarantee of its safety. not empty quoting. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1468
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Posted - 2017.02.03 11:16:58 -
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Skia Aumer wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:How is clicking a link and watching a video in one site any less convenient then clicking a link and watching the same video on a different site?
That's some screwed up "I hate ..." thinking disguised as inconvenience. I clicked the link and it didnt work. Said I should log in or something. So I closed it. Simple as that. Then you're another person that didn't read it.
Click the 'Not Now' link. You can watch the video with no issue, with no account, without signing up and no need to login.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3900
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Posted - 2017.02.03 11:30:32 -
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epicurus 2 wrote:It is interesting that those who seem to have either no regard for their privacy, or who have given up with even trying to keep some semblance of it, get to call others who do "stupid" and "idiots".
i didn't call anyone stupid or idiots, i really couldn't care, im perfectly aware of the world around and if some company finds my "vinyl toy" or "how to beat a rogue in the division" internet searches interesting then good on them or if they want to give my details to some car insurance company so i get an email when my renewal is due then gg saves me having to search around for deals.
google harvests information from you also, if you use an android device then you are giving them your data because you are made to sign up to googles various social media, guess who also owns youtube?
it amazes me everyone singles out facebook for privacy yet ignore every other company who also do it
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Skia Aumer
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.02.03 12:52:24 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Skia Aumer wrote:I clicked the link and it didnt work. Said I should log in or something. So I closed it. Simple as that. Then you're another person that didn't read it. Click the 'Not Now' link... And I clicked F.U. button instead. Sorry, I'm not going to read any popup in the internet. On youtube, on the other hand, I open the link and it works. The later is convenient, the former is not. No hatred, no tinfoilry. Just when Steve tells it was all round convenient - nope, wasnt for me. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1583
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Posted - 2017.02.03 13:00:41 -
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Thanks for your input. But this thread is way out of hand.
Thread Closed.
ISD Max Trix
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