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Neon Genesis The Landed Gentry	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:33:00 - [61] Move system. _
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:38:00 - [62] Originally by: Janu Hull If this is a personal vendetta, you've got grounds for a petition. For those who want to argue this point, understand, if this guy is specifically singling this person out for whatever reason, then whether what he's doing is right in terms of game mechanics becomes irrelevent. You can play by the rules and still be wrong if what's motivating you to act is wrong. Stalking, cyberstalking, whatever, is just plain wrong. The EVE system allows for very ruthless gameplay, which is fine, but because 0.0 is outside the nominal rule of CONCORD doesn't grant anyone license to play out their psychofantasies without restraint. I disagree. He could be hunting this guy for perfectly ingame reasons and he is using the ingame tools for it. That is the beauty of EvE. It IS a ruthless game. The way you argue every single war declaration could be considered stalking or griefing.
Murukan Minmatar Chaos Reborn	Posted - 2007.04.23 16:43:00 - [63] Originally by: Haffrage What kind of recon is it? OMG haffrage in MC??! MC is doomed! Manlove by Zaphod Jones
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.04.23 17:03:00 - [64] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Janu Hull If this is a personal vendetta, you've got grounds for a petition. For those who want to argue this point, understand, if this guy is specifically singling this person out for whatever reason, then whether what he's doing is right in terms of game mechanics becomes irrelevent. You can play by the rules and still be wrong if what's motivating you to act is wrong. Stalking, cyberstalking, whatever, is just plain wrong. The EVE system allows for very ruthless gameplay, which is fine, but because 0.0 is outside the nominal rule of CONCORD doesn't grant anyone license to play out their psychofantasies without restraint. I disagree. He could be hunting this guy for perfectly ingame reasons and he is using the ingame tools for it. That is the beauty of EvE. It IS a ruthless game. The way you argue every single war declaration could be considered stalking or griefing. I understand and agree, he very well could be hunting him for completely acceptable reasons. He could also have a personal bone to pick for whatever reason, and that isn't an acceptable reason. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that, if he's just doing his thing as a pirate and this guy's too boneheaded to be a harder target to hit, then more power to the cloaker. I'm only saying the possibility exists that this could be something unacceptable, I wasn't trying to say specifically whether or not this instance was something out of line. As for wardecs, they are nothing more than a mechanic, the intent is the key. If you wardec a group because you hate one particular member of a corp and are trying to alienate him from the world by making anyone who associates him so miserable they cast him out for their own protection, you've got a SERIOUS line that's been crossed. That's the kind of singling out I'm referring to. Hunting a corp that ****es you off is no biggie. Hunting a person because you've got it in for him to the point you'll chase him across the galaxy and into Empire space to get him, then you've crossed the line. Intent is the key, the mechanics are just tools. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that before. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
SoldierOfJustice Kurai-Komichi Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 17:09:00 - [65] ROFL. WTF are you whining about? pvp is a part of the game, live with it, or leave 0.0 like ppl told you alrdy. Solutions are: 1) Fight back and kill him 2) Leave system and the perfect solution for you is to head back to empire. Simple as that. You dont like it? Then maybe you should find another game. He is doing nothing wrong, its his game and he plays it as he wishes as long as its by the rules. You pay to play and rat, he pays to play and kill others. This time the prey is you! And ppl should stop whining about cloaking being unfair, its a part of the game and its ment to exist.
Aaron	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:00:00 - [66] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Neuromandis (if indeed the guy is only playing to kill YOU, it certainly IS harrassment, no matter how good a target you are. I call it ^^^^ bs. If the guy scammed me ingame, killed my hauler full of zydrine, smacked me in local etc. I have full right to go and kill him as many times as I want. In this case it's even more obvious because: - it's 0.0 so he agreed to take risk - he keeps coming to system when he dies so it's his choice Aaron has no balls to fight. He never had. He also has no idea how to fit ships (shield and armor tanked Megathron anyone?). Not even after quite a long time of playing EvE. Ahh, my old buddy ArchenTheRubbish You say I never had the balls to fight? Your seriously wrong. Most people are too scared to fight in reasonably matched ships, this includes you Archen. Back in the day you and your corp would try very hard to goad me into a "fair" fight, then id get podded by about 10 pilots. The same thing still happens, I can never get someone to fight me in evenly matched ships, Live up to your name Archen, come and show me how great you truly are! My location is UF-KKH in stain. I guess i'll see you soon, if you got the balls to face me alone. Also, I dont spend 20 hours on the game, I log on every 3 or 4 hours and find that this guy is still online. Im not afraid of this guy that is harrasing me, like ive said before I've fought him lots of times and almost beaten him, then he either calls his buddys or warps away, What im trying to say is I find it a bit "off key" that one would log onto eve, cloak at a safe spot for the whole day waiting for me to log on then attempt to kill me when he knows he cant. Its strange that hes so determined to get me out of the system. Its not like he does it once in a while, It has been this way for about a month and a half now every day without fail. Thanks for all your posts good and bad, Its always quite interesting to see the phycological effect this game has had on people
major lulz	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:19:00 - [67] Edited by: major lulz on 23/04/2007 21:26:10 Oh wow, the internet toughguy AND psychoanalysist in one post. Just what everyone here needed to dislike you even more. I'll say again since you seemed to miss it when I and about twenty other people said it before: Stop whinging -> move system -> great success! also lol at post below
ArchenTheGreat Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:26:00 - [68] Originally by: Aaron Live up to your name Archen, come and show me how great you truly are! My location is UF-KKH in stain. I guess i'll see you soon, if you got the balls to face me alone. Why should I? You will just petition me for harasment.
Aaron	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:28:00 - [69] Originally by: major lulz Edited by: major lulz on 23/04/2007 21:15:45 Oh wow, the internet toughguy AND psychoanalysist in one post. Just what everyone here needed to dislike you even more. I'll say again since you seemed to miss it when I and about twenty other people said it before: Stop whinging -> move system -> great success. Evidently your incapable of having an intelligent convo.
Erotic Irony RONA Deepspace	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:28:00 - [70] You can win / if you dare. ___
Aaron	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:31:00 - [71] Originally by: ArchenTheGreat Originally by: Aaron Live up to your name Archen, come and show me how great you truly are! My location is UF-KKH in stain. I guess i'll see you soon, if you got the balls to face me alone. Why should I? You will just petition me for harasment. So you dont have any balls. Just what I thought.
Nicholas Barker Caldari Black Bands Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.23 21:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov If you feel harassed, please file a petition. If you have file a petition, and disagree with the ruling, your choice would be to ask for it to be escalated to a senior GM. don't encourage him fgs. ------------------------------------- if i'm not posting about tactics or lag, don't take my posts seriously!
Ander Krows	Posted - 2007.04.23 22:03:00 - [73] If he's being a tool, then play dirty. Logonski with friends.
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2007.04.25 03:45:00 - [74] Originally by: Aaron What im trying to say is I find it a bit "off key" that one would log onto eve, cloak at a safe spot for the whole day waiting for me to log on then attempt to kill me when he knows he cant. Its strange that hes so determined to get me out of the system. Its not like he does it once in a while, It has been this way for about a month and a half now every day without fail. this i find odd, (bolded part), if you know and he knows he cant kill you, wtf you whining about, just ognore him???
Nox Solaria	Posted - 2007.04.25 04:41:00 - [75] Dude, if you're ratting in 0.0 you've got a tank that a single lone recon cloaker simply won't be able to break easily unless you get jumped by an officer spawn's scramblers. From the way this guy complains the recon cruiser is an Arazu (warp scram & damper bonuses) meaning he can't target the rats to kill them, nor get away from them. That could be considered griefing if the guy only does it to you. Send your petition. When he shows up, spam FOFs. Eventually they'll kill the rats, then they'll go after the arazu. Try to get within 20 and slap a scrambler on him. Maybe your FOFs will kill the fool before he can escape. If he's in anything other than an Arazu, you can likely safely ignore him. You can warp away from a Falcon if it jams you (if it does so within 20 the FOFs will send it running), likewise with a Rapier or Pilgrim. Of the lot only the Pilgrim might be a real risk, but he can't prevent you from locking him and lighting his ass up with drones & cruise missiles. Grab your set and swing your bat. Eventually you'll hit that ball.
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.04.25 06:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Aaron Hi Guys, I live in a 0.0 system and there is this player that is logged on for like 20 hours a day, all he does is sit in the system cloaked waiting for me to start ratting, then he attacks me with his Combat Recon ship. His sole purpose for residing in this system is specificly to irritate/annoy me. My temper got the better of me today and I swore at him, he then hastily filled an offensive language pettition and I was warned. Im pretty sure most other people dont play like this, This have been going on for about a month and a half, do u think im whining over nothing or do you think im acctually being harrassed? Im intrested in any views and opinions, and anyone that has similar stories, Regards, Sounds like a classic case of a 'gank macro' to me.. damn those gank marco's!! On a more serious note, no its not harassment, find another system.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.14 09:11:00 - [77] Originally by: Bistot Kid I didn't think there was such a thing as griefing / harrassment in Eve, as the tools are in the hands of the players to sort out. Unless yer smartbombing in Jita. If you do it to the noobs, its griefing / harassment... anyone else its all good I cant put anything here Im A troublemaker
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.14 09:33:00 - [78] Duh, you're saying: "A pirate camps in my system. I see him logged in most of the day, and he tries to pirate me when I rat! This is messing up my playstyle, therefore is griefing, so I'll petition it, as I can't kill him." He lives in the same 0.0 system you do, and is a PvP-er. What do you want, being immune from PvP in 0.0, alone, without friends? Erm? Get back to 0.5+.
LiLMissy Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.14 09:39:00 - [79] 2 months old thread - necro FTW.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.14 10:18:00 - [80] There are several 1000 other systems in eve. Take your pick. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.14 10:57:00 - [81] OH MY GOD!!! THE THREADS ARE RISEING FROM THE DEAD AGAIN!!! QUICK ONE OF YOU SUPER MODS PROTECT US!!!! ROSHAN LONGSHOT 03-06-2003 18-06-2007. CCP THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD FOUR YEARS. YOU DONE WELL. BUT ATLAST ALL THINGS MUST COME TO AN END, AND FOR ME ITS TIME TO LEAVE EVE. CLEAR SKIES AND SMOOTH JETS

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