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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:34:00 -
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Hi Guys,
I live in a 0.0 system and there is this player that is logged on for like 20 hours a day, all he does is sit in the system cloaked waiting for me to start ratting, then he attacks me with his Combat Recon ship.
His sole purpose for residing in this system is specificly to irritate/annoy me. My temper got the better of me today and I swore at him, he then hastily filled an offensive language pettition and I was warned.
Im pretty sure most other people dont play like this,
This have been going on for about a month and a half, do u think im whining over nothing or do you think im acctually being harrassed?
Im intrested in any views and opinions, and anyone that has similar stories,
Regards,
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The Pointless
Gallente
Lacks a Point Ltd
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:37:00 -
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Looks like harrassment, sounds like harrassment.
Methinks it can be classed as harrassment. 
Just fill out the petition. 
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ArtemisEntreri
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:37:00 -
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It kinda sounds like it, have you thought about getting friends or putting up a trap for him?
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:41:00 -
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Gm's Response;
Hi,
I'm afraid nonconsensual combat is part of EVE Online. Staying online is not considered harassment eather. Sadly my hands are tied in this case, as no game mechanic is beeing broken. If you feel uncomfortable in that system I suggest changing to another system to rat.
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If they dont class this as harrasment then i dont know what is,
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VanNostrum
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:41:00 -
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Why is it harrassment? All that guy does is sit in the same system cloaked waiting for someone to start ratting. That is less harrassment than hunting miners in low sectors in my eyes.
Go rat in another system or fit your ship for a pvp fight and surprise him, if you're that bothered.
it's 0.0 for god's sake
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Toadboy
Gallente
The 7th Insect
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:42:00 -
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Edited by: Toadboy on 22/04/2007 22:40:25
Get some buddies and set a trap for him 
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:44:00 -
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Sounds like pvp to me!
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:47:00 -
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but to sit in a system for 20 hours a day just to specifically to irritate me, dont that sound a bit strange?
Does he not have family to see?
A girlfriend?
Kids?
A job?
school work?
Does he not get logged off after a period of inactivity?
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ArtemisEntreri
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:49:00 -
[9]
 Originally by: Aaron
but to sit in a system for 20 hours a day just to specifically to irritate me, dont that sound a bit strange?
Does he not have family to see?
A girlfriend?
Kids?
A job?
school work?
Does he not get logged off after a period of inactivity?
No, he can go afk as long as he wants cloaked, without you knowing when he's afk or not
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:50:00 -
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dont get me wrong i have fought him lots of times and he just runs away, but its just his precence and the way he talks that is ruining my gaming experience.
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Bosie
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:52:00 -
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Have you tried moving to another system and seeing if he follows you?
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:53:00 -
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no, i dont want to move, Is there any way to find a cloaked ship?
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Bistot Kid
The First Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:54:00 -
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I didn't think there was such a thing as griefing / harrassment in Eve, as the tools are in the hands of the players to sort out.
Hire a merc corp
Set a trap with friends
Cloak yourself and leave your ship in a safe spot 23x7 for a while and waste his time
Scan him to see how he's fitted and counter-fit your ratting ship to take him out
Basically he's not going to want to lose many combat recon ships is he?
Any idea why he's doing this?
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
dont get me wrong i have fought him lots of times and he just runs away, but its just his precence and the way he talks that is ruining my gaming experience.
So harden the **** up and kill him.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Aaron
dont get me wrong i have fought him lots of times and he just runs away, but its just his precence and the way he talks that is ruining my gaming experience.
So harden the **** up and kill him.
is it possible to single handedly destroy a combat recon?, i already use fof on him.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.04.22 22:58:00 -
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Broken game mechanics. 
/me asks Devs to send Cloaks to the patch-mobile.
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Kali is for KArebearLIng.
I 100% agree with Avon.
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Tonto Auri
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:02:00 -
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Crying Caldari!  LOOL 
Leave player corp and go to hisec then.
And You'll be safe hunting frigs in 0.8.
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Awox
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Aaron
dont get me wrong i have fought him lots of times and he just runs away, but its just his precence and the way he talks that is ruining my gaming experience.
So harden the **** up and kill him.
is it possible to single handedly destroy a combat recon?, i already use fof on him.
Yes, it is. They're not invincible.
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Krulla
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
no, i dont want to move, Is there any way to find a cloaked ship?
There's your problem right there. You don't want to adapt.
Go somewhere else for a week, he will be gone by then.
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slothe
Caldari
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:10:00 -
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keep a diary of when you play and when hes on. then submit to a petition if its ridiculous
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Dr Felonius
Caldari
Civilian Purposes Limited
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:20:00 -
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This is Eve. Patience is a virtue. I admire someone who's willing to spend 20 hours a day just to terrorize an enemy. Sure, I'd hate it if someone was doing that to me, but that's why I stay parked in Empire where the veldspar grows. 0.0 is supposed to be the home of hardcore PvPers, not wimps like me.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:23:00 -
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todays society, its now become the norm to spend all day on a computer game annoying someone.
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Caol
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
todays society, its now become the norm to spend all day on a computer game annoying someone.
Is your corp/alliance ticker cloaked?
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Black Bands
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:30:00 -
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so if i was to hire somebody to kill you, and he has a quote of how many times he can kill you before he gets the billion isk, and sits there trying to kill you as many times as possible to get the isk, is that harrassment? Maybe you shouldn't have ****ed me off in the first place.
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Serenity Steele
Rearden Steele
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:32:00 -
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What makes you think he's only waiting for you, and isn't attacking everyone else in the system?
Or do you sit in station 20 hours a day waiting for the right moment to go ratting?
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Arana Tellen
Gallente
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:35:00 -
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"is it possible to single handedly destroy a combat recon?, i already use fof on him."
It's bloody hard, but did you even read the warning about lowsec and it being a good idea to go with friends?
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85 Echo
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: 85 Echo on 22/04/2007 23:48:03
Edited by: 85 Echo on 22/04/2007 23:47:50
You may have a case with the gms, but telling on people is lame.
Take the manly way out:
What kind of ships do you have available?
Which force recon is he in?
What can you tell us about his fitting and tactics?
I'm sure someone can help you with a setup. You'll sleep better at night knowing you didn't tell on him.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2007.04.22 23:59:00 -
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From his point of view maybe you are the intruder. Perhaps he's trying to motivate you to get out of his system.
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Kiviar
Caldari
Dirty Sanchez Ltd
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Posted - 2007.04.23 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
todays society, its now become the norm to spend all day on a computer game annoying someone.
In todayÆs society it has become the norm to whine on the forums the second something even remotley non-favorable happens.
Honestly if someone taking pot shots at you in a recon ship in 0.0 is enough to ôruin your game experienceö you should just head on back to empire.
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.23 00:15:00 -
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what did you do to make him want to harrass you?
I don'n think its petionable tbh, but try moving systems if he keeps following you then maybe....
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major lulz
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Posted - 2007.04.23 00:15:00 -
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Firstly, I'd be interested to know what you did to this guy that made him so ****** off at you.
Secondly, I had extremely limited patience with you even before you said "I don't want to move" and then it was all turned into negative patience so the cause and effect train was completely reversed and the past altered to make me angry with you before I even knew about you. Thus, your whinging broke the space-time continuum.
All you have to do to fix both the universe's problem and your own is swallow your pride and move system. If you're getting owned all over the system by one guy then you either have to achieve nothing in that place or slightly less elsewhere. Big boohoo, people have to make the same tradeoff all over 0.0 every day.
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VanNostrum
The Legion.
Requiem-Aeternam
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Posted - 2007.04.23 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: VanNostrum on 23/04/2007 00:29:26
kudos to the guy
after your post, if i were him i'd follow u wherever u go
edit:
on a side note, i'd also like to file a complaint about these 3 guys for killing my myrmidon last week in a 0.4 system, thus ruining my game experience (and i felt very harrassed)
hmmm maybe i should open a petition
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Brunswick2
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 00:34:00 -
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/me dusts off his pilgrim.
Hmm, so that I can help you as much as possible, what system do you rat in and when do you usually log in?
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Ubitious
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.04.23 01:14:00 -
[34]
Perhaps the guy has a contract on you and if so hes doing a good job. Sucks for you though, I guess ratting with a pvp setup is out of the question?
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.04.23 01:39:00 -
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No, it is not harrassment. It is PvP. That said, cloaks are totally out of control and way way way too many ships are using them these days.
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Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.23 03:28:00 -
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What was the problem with the other 5999 systems in EVE again?
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.23 03:32:00 -
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Harassment? Hah...
I once petitioned a GM to ask if I was allowed to pod someone ten times for a contract. He said yes.
So someone taking pot shots at you in 0.0 is certainly not harassment.
Linkage
Also, view my sig - v down there v
Sorry mate, no luck.
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Pepperami
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.23 03:40:00 -
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Move system or set a trap for him with your friends. Kill him once or twice and he'll move onto easier prey. If you're a solo player, suck it up and move on out if you can't handle it. There's no reason you can't counter him.
0.0 isn't safe. Get over it.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.04.23 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
So harden the **** up and kill him.
Deal.
Him petitioning you for swearing is annoying and he's an ass for it, but otherwise he's not doing anything wrong.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.23 05:27:00 -
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He has found a nice farming spot and don't want to mess up it by killing frigates. Your T2 fitted Raven gives alot of cash to him. His merely "ratting" there on his own way.
Don't be a sore person .. enjoy EVE!
Proud member of Cult of War and Amarr 4tw
Finnish people seeking PvP, contact me ingame!
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2007.04.23 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Argenton Sayvers on 23/04/2007 05:38:38
Find out his RL identity, then send him dead pets and threaten to do nasty things to his sister. Oh wait.
Simple advice - if you feel offended by something that happens purely within the ingame context of the eve universe, you dont have the stomach to play the GM game (a game with "mindcrime") anyway, even if you manage to corrupt eve (even more) into a "i petition!" game.
The warning you got is the perfect example of how trying to pervert the system for your own benefit usually backfires as the other side has the better griefers ...
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Kylar Renpurs
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Posted - 2007.04.23 05:45:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
but to sit in a system for 20 hours a day just to specifically to irritate me, dont that sound a bit strange?
Does he not have family to see?
A girlfriend?
Kids?
A job?
school work?
Does he not get logged off after a period of inactivity?
Uh,, maybe me being a bit ignorant and condescending, but how do you know he's on for 20 hours a day without yourself being on for 20 hours a day?
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Mastin Dragonfly
Absolutely No Return
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Posted - 2007.04.23 07:37:00 -
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Now you know how those poor belt rats feel. 
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 08:18:00 -
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Few thoughts came to me when I saw this post:
- I know Aaron from the past and I know that he can make enemies VERY fast
- players are getting softer and softer, all they do now is petitioning. You've lost a ship? Not a problem, petition it. You've got a wardec, petition it as a harassment. Soon we will lose leadership to cockroaches.
- censoring regular English words is a sign of our softness. The end is coming.
PS. While sitting in a*****pit of S******dly command ship captain tried to ***** a*****roach with ****ography magazine.
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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
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Posted - 2007.04.23 08:23:00 -
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The real problem is that he is cloaked and most likely afk some of the time... I would really like if you have not been given any commands for 30-60 minutes your cloak would deactivate with the following message:
"Your ship cloak have been disabled by a violent snorring - bio sensors indicate decrease in heart rythm."
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Ryysa
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.23 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Originally by: Aaron
but to sit in a system for 20 hours a day just to specifically to irritate me, dont that sound a bit strange?
Does he not have family to see?
A girlfriend?
Kids?
A job?
school work?
Does he not get logged off after a period of inactivity?
Uh,, maybe me being a bit ignorant and condescending, but how do you know he's on for 20 hours a day without yourself being on for 20 hours a day?
Just what I wanted to ask.
You know, if you don't want to be "pvped" either go to hisec or play wow?
Otherwise, NPC stations are pretty good too in 0.0.
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Ediz Daxx
FinFleet
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.23 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Ediz Daxx on 23/04/2007 08:40:25
What? People actually spend time in 0.0 just to make other people not able to make money? This isnt harassment this is greiftactics!
Ofcourse you shouldnt have to move to another system Aaron.. i mean he came to YOUR system (in 0.0 space) and you were just minding your own business and he came and ruined it for you. God forbid that you have to even try to kill him.
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BlackHorizon
Caldari
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.23 08:50:00 -
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This is not harassment, its honorable. Whoever he/she is, is protecting the the innocent belt NPCs from a murderous rampage of a carebear. And if Aaron is a miner, well, mining is hardly environmentally friendly.
And even if you don't agree with the roleplaying reasons, consider that fact that isk inflation is rampant!
Aaron must be destroyed, if nothing but for the good of Eve and everyone else's wallet. Think of the poor noobs who can't buy mods because things are too expensive.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
20 hours a day
That is indeed untolerable. Perhaps the guy doing it now could also post, so we could arrange some shifts to cover those missing 3 hours?
-Lasse
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Maximillian Power
Minmatar
WOLFPACK DELTA
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 11:33:00 -
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I take it the combat recon that you are talking about is a falcon as it sounds like he is jamming you constantly and is able to break lock and warp away before you destroy his ship.
ECCM Upgrade * 3
or whatever the equivalent for your ship type. If he can't jam you he's going down.
Think outside the box a little.
And its not really harassment as you could move along. By staying you are consenting to the fight tbh.
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Neuromandis
EPSILON TEAM
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.04.23 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: Neuromandis on 23/04/2007 11:35:00
Edited by: Neuromandis on 23/04/2007 11:34:08
I cannot say if it is or is not harrassment, but it sounds just a trifle too hardcore (if indeed the guy is only playing to kill YOU, it certainly IS harrassment, no matter how good a target you are. But is he? Are you alone in the system or is it just the system he frequently terrorises?) Anyways, I don't know either you or him or his reasons. I don't care too. What I do know is this.
If you have half-decent skills and the "full" complement of T1 ships up to battleships, I cannot think of a recon, combat or force, that is unkillable. Especially if you scan him and know a specific setup.
Just - Frigging - Kill him. Recons are very good ships, but just like all one- or two- trick ponies, they die fast if counter-fitted.
Elaboration:
Caldari recons: 2x or 3x ECCM. Watch him get to shreds by anything, as he won't be able to get a single cycle of jam in. Use EM damage.
Gallente recons: 2x or 3x sensor boosters. MWD mandatory to close the gap and scramble him as he has a bonus to scrambling range. Watch him get painfully popped. Try lots of kinds of damage, explosive is probably best followed by (ugh) em.
Amarr recons: Passive tank to be nosproof. Missiles are your friend to avoid TD. Thermal is a good bet, followed by em.
Minmatarr recons: The only difficult case due to the difficulty of first catching and then holding him to get scrambling on. Jamming or dampening would help with breaking the web. MWD in his face, double-web and kill him. Explosive or kinetic damage.
This is neither the only nor the best way, but I am trying to tell you that things may not be as bleak as they look, after all a recon kill can be as profitable as 1-4 hours of ratting.
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Chrysalis D'lilth
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Posted - 2007.04.23 11:54:00 -
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You are clearly being griefed by the recon pilot.
You are being forced to adapt when you don't wish to conform to Darwinian models, which is awfully wrong of him to force you to do in such an unchanging game like this.
By fitting modules to counter and defeat him, you will be forced to drop your midslot tank, meaning you can't tank the triple neph spawn that keeps you in the system in the first place, this will deny you your income of some 20 million or so per hour.
Not only should you petition him for griefing, you should file a lawsuit for reimbursement of the lost isk and the medical insurance costs for your haemeroids that are flaring up because of this whole dastardly occurance.
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 12:19:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Alski on 23/04/2007 12:15:33
AFK cloaking is a very, Very broken game mechanic.
however in your case, i'd try this:
1x battleship
1x micro warp drive
1x T2 webbers
1x scram
All remaining mids filled with T2 or best named sensor boosters (Edit: or ECCM, dident see it was caldari)
All low's filled with 1600mm plates.
1x gang
Lots of friends next-door with excessive amounts of firepower 
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 13:14:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Neuromandis
(if indeed the guy is only playing to kill YOU, it certainly IS harrassment, no matter how good a target you are.
I call it ^^^^ bs. If the guy scammed me ingame, killed my hauler full of zydrine, smacked me in local etc. I have full right to go and kill him as many times as I want. In this case it's even more obvious because:
- it's 0.0 so he agreed to take risk
- he keeps coming to system when he dies so it's his choice
Aaron has no balls to fight. He never had. He also has no idea how to fit ships (shield and armor tanked Megathron anyone?). Not even after quite a long time of playing EvE.
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.04.23 13:27:00 -
[55]
Maybe you scammed him,*****is dog/kitty ,or because he thinks your ugly.
Either way how exactly do you know he is there 20Hours a day?Point is that he can kill you as many times he wants ,he isn't doing nothing wrong.
Hell he is my hero ,maybe i can contract him to kill some guys i hate.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.04.23 14:23:00 -
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I can just see all alliances being banned for griefing their enemies, I mean all that hunting them 23/7, not giving them peace, chasing them wherever they go
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.23 14:28:00 -
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If this is just some guy enjoying 0.0 for what it is, then you can adapt or die.
If this is a personal vendetta, you've got grounds for a petition.
For those who want to argue this point, understand, if this guy is specifically singling this person out for whatever reason, then whether what he's doing is right in terms of game mechanics becomes irrelevent. You can play by the rules and still be wrong if what's motivating you to act is wrong.
Stalking, cyberstalking, whatever, is just plain wrong. The EVE system allows for very ruthless gameplay, which is fine, but because 0.0 is outside the nominal rule of CONCORD doesn't grant anyone license to play out their psychofantasies without restraint.
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bigfatbird
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 14:31:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Aaron
but to sit in a system for 20 hours a day just to specifically to irritate me, dont that sound a bit strange?
Does he not have family to see?
A girlfriend?
Kids?
A job?
school work?
Does he not get logged off after a period of inactivity?
Cmon, just go rat in another system and stop the whining.
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DragonRiderTao
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Posted - 2007.04.23 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: DragonRiderTao on 23/04/2007 16:28:20
Originally by: Janu Hull
If this is just some guy enjoying 0.0 for what it is, then you can adapt or die.
If this is a personal vendetta, you've got grounds for a petition.
For those who want to argue this point, understand, if this guy is specifically singling this person out for whatever reason, then whether what he's doing is right in terms of game mechanics becomes irrelevent. You can play by the rules and still be wrong if what's motivating you to act is wrong.
Stalking, cyberstalking, whatever, is just plain wrong. The EVE system allows for very ruthless gameplay, which is fine, but because 0.0 is outside the nominal rule of CONCORD doesn't grant anyone license to play out their psychofantasies without restraint.
So now we cannot do everything because someone said they do not enjoy themselves? That would cause removal of wardec. This is perfectly fine. It does not even exploit faulty game mechanics.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.04.23 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Janu Hull
If this is just some guy enjoying 0.0 for what it is, then you can adapt or die.
If this is a personal vendetta, you've got grounds for a petition.
For those who want to argue this point, understand, if this guy is specifically singling this person out for whatever reason, then whether what he's doing is right in terms of game mechanics becomes irrelevent. You can play by the rules and still be wrong if what's motivating you to act is wrong.
Stalking, cyberstalking, whatever, is just plain wrong. The EVE system allows for very ruthless gameplay, which is fine, but because 0.0 is outside the nominal rule of CONCORD doesn't grant anyone license to play out their psychofantasies without restraint.
QFT
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Neon Genesis
The Landed Gentry
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Posted - 2007.04.23 16:33:00 -
[61]
Move system.
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Mangold
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.04.23 16:38:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Janu Hull
If this is a personal vendetta, you've got grounds for a petition.
For those who want to argue this point, understand, if this guy is specifically singling this person out for whatever reason, then whether what he's doing is right in terms of game mechanics becomes irrelevent. You can play by the rules and still be wrong if what's motivating you to act is wrong.
Stalking, cyberstalking, whatever, is just plain wrong. The EVE system allows for very ruthless gameplay, which is fine, but because 0.0 is outside the nominal rule of CONCORD doesn't grant anyone license to play out their psychofantasies without restraint.
I disagree. He could be hunting this guy for perfectly ingame reasons and he is using the ingame tools for it. That is the beauty of EvE. It IS a ruthless game.
The way you argue every single war declaration could be considered stalking or griefing.
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Murukan
Minmatar
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.04.23 16:43:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Haffrage
What kind of recon is it?
OMG haffrage in MC??! MC is doomed!
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.23 17:03:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Mangold
Originally by: Janu Hull
If this is a personal vendetta, you've got grounds for a petition.
For those who want to argue this point, understand, if this guy is specifically singling this person out for whatever reason, then whether what he's doing is right in terms of game mechanics becomes irrelevent. You can play by the rules and still be wrong if what's motivating you to act is wrong.
Stalking, cyberstalking, whatever, is just plain wrong. The EVE system allows for very ruthless gameplay, which is fine, but because 0.0 is outside the nominal rule of CONCORD doesn't grant anyone license to play out their psychofantasies without restraint.
I disagree. He could be hunting this guy for perfectly ingame reasons and he is using the ingame tools for it. That is the beauty of EvE. It IS a ruthless game.
The way you argue every single war declaration could be considered stalking or griefing.
I understand and agree, he very well could be hunting him for completely acceptable reasons. He could also have a personal bone to pick for whatever reason, and that isn't an acceptable reason. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that, if he's just doing his thing as a pirate and this guy's too boneheaded to be a harder target to hit, then more power to the cloaker. I'm only saying the possibility exists that this could be something unacceptable, I wasn't trying to say specifically whether or not this instance was something out of line.
As for wardecs, they are nothing more than a mechanic, the intent is the key. If you wardec a group because you hate one particular member of a corp and are trying to alienate him from the world by making anyone who associates him so miserable they cast him out for their own protection, you've got a SERIOUS line that's been crossed.
That's the kind of singling out I'm referring to. Hunting a corp that ****es you off is no biggie. Hunting a person because you've got it in for him to the point you'll chase him across the galaxy and into Empire space to get him, then you've crossed the line.
Intent is the key, the mechanics are just tools. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that before.
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SoldierOfJustice
Kurai-Komichi
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 17:09:00 -
[65]
ROFL. WTF are you whining about? pvp is a part of the game, live with it, or leave 0.0 like ppl told you alrdy.
Solutions are:
1) Fight back and kill him
2) Leave system
and the perfect solution for you is to head back to empire.
Simple as that. You dont like it? Then maybe you should find another game. He is doing nothing wrong, its his game and he plays it as he wishes as long as its by the rules. You pay to play and rat, he pays to play and kill others. This time the prey is you!
And ppl should stop whining about cloaking being unfair, its a part of the game and its ment to exist.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:00:00 -
[66]
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Neuromandis
(if indeed the guy is only playing to kill YOU, it certainly IS harrassment, no matter how good a target you are.
I call it ^^^^ bs. If the guy scammed me ingame, killed my hauler full of zydrine, smacked me in local etc. I have full right to go and kill him as many times as I want. In this case it's even more obvious because:
- it's 0.0 so he agreed to take risk
- he keeps coming to system when he dies so it's his choice
Aaron has no balls to fight. He never had. He also has no idea how to fit ships (shield and armor tanked Megathron anyone?). Not even after quite a long time of playing EvE.
Ahh, my old buddy ArchenTheRubbish
You say I never had the balls to fight? Your seriously wrong.
Most people are too scared to fight in reasonably matched ships, this includes you Archen.
Back in the day you and your corp would try very hard to goad me into a "fair" fight, then id get podded by about 10 pilots.
The same thing still happens, I can never get someone to fight me in evenly matched ships,
Live up to your name Archen, come and show me how great you truly are! My location is UF-KKH in stain.
I guess i'll see you soon, if you got the balls to face me alone.
Also,
I dont spend 20 hours on the game, I log on every 3 or 4 hours and find that this guy is still online.
Im not afraid of this guy that is harrasing me, like ive said before I've fought him lots of times and almost beaten him, then he either calls his buddys or warps away,
What im trying to say is I find it a bit "off key" that one would log onto eve, cloak at a safe spot for the whole day waiting for me to log on then attempt to kill me when he knows he cant. Its strange that hes so determined to get me out of the system. Its not like he does it once in a while, It has been this way for about a month and a half now every day without fail.
Thanks for all your posts good and bad, Its always quite interesting to see the phycological effect this game has had on people
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major lulz
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:19:00 -
[67]
Edited by: major lulz on 23/04/2007 21:26:10
Oh wow, the internet toughguy AND psychoanalysist in one post. Just what everyone here needed to dislike you even more.
I'll say again since you seemed to miss it when I and about twenty other people said it before: Stop whinging -> move system -> great success!
also lol at post below
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:26:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Aaron
Live up to your name Archen, come and show me how great you truly are! My location is UF-KKH in stain.
I guess i'll see you soon, if you got the balls to face me alone.
Why should I? You will just petition me for harasment.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:28:00 -
[69]
Originally by: major lulz
Edited by: major lulz on 23/04/2007 21:15:45
Oh wow, the internet toughguy AND psychoanalysist in one post. Just what everyone here needed to dislike you even more.
I'll say again since you seemed to miss it when I and about twenty other people said it before: Stop whinging -> move system -> great success.
Evidently your incapable of having an intelligent convo.
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:28:00 -
[70]
You can win / if you dare.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:31:00 -
[71]
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Aaron
Live up to your name Archen, come and show me how great you truly are! My location is UF-KKH in stain.
I guess i'll see you soon, if you got the balls to face me alone.
Why should I? You will just petition me for harasment.
So you dont have any balls. Just what I thought.
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Black Bands
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.23 21:34:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov
If you feel harassed, please file a petition. If you have file a petition, and disagree with the ruling, your choice would be to ask for it to be escalated to a senior GM.
don't encourage him fgs.
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Ander Krows
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Posted - 2007.04.23 22:03:00 -
[73]
If he's being a tool, then play dirty.
Logonski with friends.
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babylonstew
Caldari
Caldari Scouting and Intel Group
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Posted - 2007.04.25 03:45:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Aaron
What im trying to say is I find it a bit "off key" that one would log onto eve, cloak at a safe spot for the whole day waiting for me to log on then attempt to kill me when he knows he cant. Its strange that hes so determined to get me out of the system. Its not like he does it once in a while, It has been this way for about a month and a half now every day without fail.
this i find odd, (bolded part), if you know and he knows he cant kill you, wtf you whining about, just ognore him???
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Nox Solaria
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Posted - 2007.04.25 04:41:00 -
[75]
Dude, if you're ratting in 0.0 you've got a tank that a single lone recon cloaker simply won't be able to break easily unless you get jumped by an officer spawn's scramblers.
From the way this guy complains the recon cruiser is an Arazu (warp scram & damper bonuses) meaning he can't target the rats to kill them, nor get away from them. That could be considered griefing if the guy only does it to you. Send your petition.
When he shows up, spam FOFs. Eventually they'll kill the rats, then they'll go after the arazu. Try to get within 20 and slap a scrambler on him. Maybe your FOFs will kill the fool before he can escape.
If he's in anything other than an Arazu, you can likely safely ignore him. You can warp away from a Falcon if it jams you (if it does so within 20 the FOFs will send it running), likewise with a Rapier or Pilgrim. Of the lot only the Pilgrim might be a real risk, but he can't prevent you from locking him and lighting his ass up with drones & cruise missiles.
Grab your set and swing your bat. Eventually you'll hit that ball.
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Drasked
North Face Force
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:16:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Aaron
Hi Guys,
I live in a 0.0 system and there is this player that is logged on for like 20 hours a day, all he does is sit in the system cloaked waiting for me to start ratting, then he attacks me with his Combat Recon ship.
His sole purpose for residing in this system is specificly to irritate/annoy me. My temper got the better of me today and I swore at him, he then hastily filled an offensive language pettition and I was warned.
Im pretty sure most other people dont play like this,
This have been going on for about a month and a half, do u think im whining over nothing or do you think im acctually being harrassed?
Im intrested in any views and opinions, and anyone that has similar stories,
Regards,
Sounds like a classic case of a 'gank macro' to me.. damn those gank marco's!!
On a more serious note, no its not harassment, find another system.
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Richard Aiel
Caldari
The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.14 09:11:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Bistot Kid
I didn't think there was such a thing as griefing / harrassment in Eve, as the tools are in the hands of the players to sort out.
Unless yer smartbombing in Jita. If you do it to the noobs, its griefing / harassment... anyone else its all good
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Cpt Branko
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Posted - 2007.06.14 09:33:00 -
[78]
Duh, you're saying:
"A pirate camps in my system. I see him logged in most of the day, and he tries to pirate me when I rat! This is messing up my playstyle, therefore is griefing, so I'll petition it, as I can't kill him."
He lives in the same 0.0 system you do, and is a PvP-er. What do you want, being immune from PvP in 0.0, alone, without friends? Erm? Get back to 0.5+.
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LiLMissy
Caldari
Ad Astra Vexillum
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.14 09:39:00 -
[79]
2 months old thread - necro FTW.
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Major Stormer
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.14 10:18:00 -
[80]
There are several 1000 other systems in eve. Take your pick.
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Its just a game. Get over yourselfs.
www.eve-tribune.com
Dont get too excited now.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente
Ordos Humanitas
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 10:57:00 -
[81]
OH MY GOD!!! THE THREADS ARE RISEING FROM THE DEAD AGAIN!!! QUICK ONE OF YOU SUPER MODS PROTECT US!!!!
ROSHAN LONGSHOT 03-06-2003 18-06-2007. CCP THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD FOUR YEARS. YOU DONE WELL. BUT ATLAST ALL THINGS MUST COME TO AN END, AND FOR ME ITS TIME TO LEAVE EVE. CLEAR SKIES AND SMOOTH JETS |
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