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Agricola Augusta
Minmatar
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 08:53:00 -
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Why the change, if this isn't a Privateer nerf could CCP please explain the logic to changing a system that's worked perfectly well for years?
Also it saddens me that EVE has taken yet another step to becoming a more Carebear orientated game. If I wanted to PvE all day with no risk of being attacked, I'd be playing one of the many other titles on the market which provide that.
I bought EVE because it was different to the usual MMORPG philosophy, however now it is changing to suit the mainstream. All because some Alliances cried "Whhhhaaa the Privateers keep killing my alt hauler, everytime I try to move stuff to Jita!". If this is not so, then please state the reason you felt the need to make three wars or more too expensive for 90% of EVE?
These views are mine alone and not those of my alliance nor anyone associated with them in anyway.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:10:00 -
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You are not objective on the matter. It's not 'a system that worked fine for years'.
rabble rabble rabble
 Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
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Agricola Augusta
Minmatar
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
You are not objective on the matter. It's not 'a system that worked fine for years'.
rabble rabble rabble
No-one is objective in this matter, also why didn't it work fine for years?
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0
1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:29:00 -
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Play the game any way you like but you guys prety much having a free shooty-zone in empire..i can see why alot of people and CCP aren't happy with that. This was a matter of the deepest wallet, not of tactical or organisatorial skill.
I've been decced by you multiple times and fought with pleasure - so i dont really mind it, but i can see the reasons.
Originally by: Mastin Dragonfly
Radio is essential for Amarr, to call the much needed backup...
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Elgar Lightfoot
Lightfoot Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:30:00 -
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It worked fine for years, up until The Privateers began exploiting the system in such a way as was not intended.
It's the same with any game mechanic. If someone finds a way to use it in a unintended way and it gets exploited widespread enough then it will be 'fixed'.
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Ikar Kaltin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:47:00 -
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What do Privateers lose? Their ability to shoot everyone in an area designed to be a "safe" area.
What do Privateers gain? The ability to shoot down freighters and make a big profit from it....
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Agricola Augusta
Minmatar
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:52:00 -
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I accept that you're both probably correct, however I'd like confirmation from CCP on this issue. Also if they could inform Privateers how they expect the new system to be used would be nice. After all it would save both them and the players this kind of grief again.
I see this change going two ways, and one will end up with another nerf to the war dec system. I can see the war dec system being changed to a max of 3 wars per corp/alliance by the end of the year.
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Harry Karri
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Posted - 2007.04.24 09:55:00 -
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Agricola the system worked fine for you, not for the majority. This has now been recognised and addressed. You, to coin a phrase, "Kicked the arse out of it" and only have your selves to blame.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.24 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Agricola Augusta
I can see the war dec system being changed to a max of 3 wars per corp/alliance by the end of the year.
No, this change is enough, it avoids an alliance throwing money to wardec a corp with at most 12 people online.
The price is exactly what is needed, it is a really big isk sink and will avoid the tactics as "we wardec the universe and see if we can get any loot from it". Now, you'll have to choose targets, use some intelligence, find the really interesting and big industrial corps (those that would have funds to hire bodyguards and be old enough to be a threat in combat even being industrialists).
If you want some heavy fights, get some spys in the major alliances ang go get their convoys and escort when they move something big. There are also many parts of 0.0 that are lawless and cannot have sovereinty claims. Those are the perfect places to fight with a handful of wardecs in empire to get your hands on some big industrial corp convoys. Now, you'll have the opportunity to loot the freigters, this makes war profitable (when it's not abused).
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.24 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
It worked fine for years, up until The Privateers began exploiting the system in such a way as was not intended.
It's the same with any game mechanic. If someone finds a way to use it in a unintended way and it gets exploited widespread enough then it will be 'fixed'.
QFT.
Can't believe anyone in Privateer can say without a blink that he thinks the system was fine. 
Grow some and venture out to 0.0. There's an endless supply of PVP there, and blobs can be easily avoided. And incidentally you'd have a real challenge.
That's something else than sitting in a tanked up commandship at Jita 4-4 station waiting for a gank until the next best fleet comes around to match yours and ready to stop aggro and dock up once things are starting to look grim. With the right fittings it becomes a near risk free adventure.
If you ask me, it's the Privateers that are the carebears of PVP, and that's what's wrong with EVE. It's not the system, it's the people exploiting it.
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.04.24 14:14:00 -
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And if it is a Privateer nerf, do they still have to explain the logic? 
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Vorpal Reaper
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Posted - 2007.04.24 15:51:00 -
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I welcome the change. If I was a hardcore PvP'er it would be great to go around in gangs of 40 slaughtering lone pilots and adding the final blow to my e-peen killboard but I prefer other things. The War Dec system seems to make more sense if you look at it from an RP point of view.
War Decs were meant for gaining control by force; being able to boot another corp out of a system you wanted ... perhaps for its fine supply of ore in high sec, or maybe the opposing corp were constant in reminding you that you smelt of elderberries. CONCORD was happy to allow fights to go on until you took the fight across most of secure space. With everyone you met. If EvE were a real world, I doubt CONCORD would agree to letting you blow up most of the empire merely for fun without substantial payment.
Surely it makes sense if you want to fight more, you pay more for the privaledge or go to unsecure space where fighting is free.
...plus you a-holes blew up my Rohk XD... why did I not fit WCS's :P
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Morfane
The IMorral MAjority
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.24 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Aeon Yakati
Grow some and venture out to 0.0. There's an endless supply of PVP there, and blobs can be easily avoided. And incidentally you'd have a real challenge.
I was going to be petulant, but I'm high.
I believe you fail to realize that the vast majority of us used to live and hunt in 0.0, got the t-shirt and had it stolen by a now ex-girlfriend. Honestly, after the first two or three big battles, it bored me to no end. I didnt log in for a couple months.
There are many like me who share the sentiment that if "real" pvp is in 0.0, I'll take the fake kind pls.
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Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.25 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Morfane
Originally by: Aeon Yakati
Grow some and venture out to 0.0. There's an endless supply of PVP there, and blobs can be easily avoided. And incidentally you'd have a real challenge.
I was going to be petulant, but I'm high.
I believe you fail to realize that the vast majority of us used to
live and hunt in 0.0, got the t-shirt and had it stolen by a now ex-girlfriend. Honestly, after the first two or three big battles, it bored me to no end. I didnt log in for a couple months.
There are many like me who share the sentiment that if "real" pvp is in 0.0, I'll take the fake kind pls.
Cause it's cheaper since you can dock up when needed? Less risk vs higher rewards? Or it it since most of the empire targets don't fight back, unlike 0.0 targets?
Your whole strategy is solely dependant upon catching people unprepared, unaware of or ignorant about an empire war, and then "ganking" them. Should a target fight back, you will extend the courtesy for as long as you can take the odds, but when needed you have an almost insta way out: de-aggress, tank and dock up.
This sort of PVP shares many similarities with the use of pre-nerfed stabs, logoffski's and dual-mwd/nanos. These strategies have also been about stretching the risk vs reward equation by greatly decreasing the risks while only taking a mild hit on the reward side.
If you seriously think that's how PVP in EVE is supposed to be like, then I can only tell you you're playing the wrong game. Today's war-dec nerf is nothing else than an official confirmation that your views of 'PVP' do not match the designers' views. And luckily most of EVE's population as well.
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari
The Celestial Free Miner's
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Posted - 2007.04.25 01:15:00 -
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Edited by: Renosha Argaron on 25/04/2007 01:18:41
Well i for one am glad that CCP have nerfed the war dec thing but they have'nt done enough....i really dont know much about it all but i for one am a carebare and not afraid to say so....i CHOOSE to live in peace and CHOOSE to live in Empire where it is ment to be safe....but alas its still not safe enough.
I am part of a peacefull mining corp that has just starting out and have just been war deced tonight by Repo Industries as they say one of my members blew up one of there ships.....or took part in it (without my knowlage) so they held my corp to ransom for the sum of 150 mil which may not be much for some corps but is alot to mine's.
we worked hard for what little we have.....but i refuse to pay....i will happily stay docked and train my skills and chat to friends while they shoot the station down around me.....lol.....if i start paying one Privateer corp i will have them all beating down our door for iskies we frankly dont have....lol....and there is no way we can fight back unless we take out our strip miners and throw them at there ships.....lol
Agricola Augusta i can see your view seeing as your a Privateer yourself or part of a Privateer alliance....but you have to see us carebear veiw's that we CHOOSE to stay in empire where it is ment to be safe and live in peace and try and enjoy the experiance of flying our ships in space and make friend and generaly just chat away.
just like your choice is to go to 0.0 and do what you do....and i truely admire and respect the fact you guys are brave enough to make it in 0.0....but its not for me......but when you come to empire and force players who dont wish to fight in to it and use extortion as a means to line your own pockets by war decking them, then its just wrong moraly and to be honist it sickens me....i know its just a game and all....but i still play the game and speak to peaple with the respect and morals i have for others in RL.
Aeon Yakati i was pleasently surprised by your post's seeing as your a member of BoB and iv heard so many horrer storys about your alliance......but reading your post has restored my faith in 0.0 players and its very reasuring to know that there are actualy guys out in 0.0 that do have morals and ethics.
Anyway my rant is over.....lol
Regards
Renosha
Peace
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gabrial1
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.25 02:06:00 -
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I think my guys could help you out contact me in game we will war dec those scallywags for ya, WHOS WITH ME? lets all war Repo Industries
si vis pacem, para bellum
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari
The Celestial Free Miner's
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Posted - 2007.04.25 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: gabrial1
I think my guys could help you out contact me in game we will war dec those scallywags for ya, WHOS WITH ME? lets all war Repo Industries
lol..yeah lets.....if im not there in 5 mins...start without me
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Magus Nebula
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:08:00 -
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there's nothing like a good empire war! If you got the money go for it i say!
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Dillon Arklight
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.25 06:53:00 -
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It needed changing tbh. Whether you like it or not Empire was never supposed to operate in the way that Privateers would like. CCP do want more people into low sec and 0.0 but the move has to be optional as does the introduction to PVP. If a new players joins a corp war dec'd by Privateers and gets his ship repeatly destroyed is that fair? And will that player stay in EVE?
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Agricola Augusta
Minmatar
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dillon Arklight
It needed changing tbh. Whether you like it or not Empire was never supposed to operate in the way that Privateers would like. CCP do want more people into low sec and 0.0 but the move has to be optional as does the introduction to PVP. If a new players joins a corp war dec'd by Privateers and gets his ship repeatly destroyed is that fair? And will that player stay in EVE?
For the last two years I've been playing the answer was "Join an NPC corp or STFU!". What if those people start to whine "I want to run 10/10 complexes and rat 1-2 mil isk rats at no risk"? Would you agree with making all space safe and PvP only viable by mutual agreement?
Why not? Most players don't think it fair that BoB owns so many complexes, and getting repeatedly blown up by BoB isn't really fair. Also Will that player stay in EVE?
I think you get the idea right, as long as this doesn't infringe on the enjoyment of BoB members why should CCP give a crap? Also statistics show most gamers are PvErs. So aslong as BoB and their ilk get a steady flow of targets logging back in after a node crash that didn't effect them, why would they care if the rest of EVE is forced to go carebear?
If only Privateers had a few DEVs in it, this patch would never have happened. Oh well back to mission grinding for me I suppose?
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BH Desryn
ISD BH
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.25 13:32:00 -
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You do know you can still have all your 200+ wars, right? It will just cost a load more isk to keep them going. Your wars haven't been taken away from you, it's just that you don't want to pay the price now required.
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Ralle030583
Gallente
The Phoenix cor
Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:09:00 -
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i love to see privateers now whining :-)
btw Desryn very nice sig
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Agricola Augusta
Minmatar
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 14:24:00 -
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Originally by: BH Desryn
You do know you can still have all your 200+ wars, right? It will just cost a load more isk to keep them going. Your wars haven't been taken away from you, it's just that you don't want to pay the price now required.
I'll assume you're not trying to insult my or anyother players intelligence here, and I'll give you an example similar to this and ask if you think it's fair.
Imagine that you and your friends enjoy going to the pub/bar every sturday night for a drink, because you find it fun. However people living close by are kept awake by the noise and complain. Also local offlicences are part owned by council members. So the local council increases the price of all alchohol served in pubs/bars. Each drink you buy doubles in price. So whereas 3 pints cost say 9 isk before, they now cost 21 isk and you can only afford 9 isk.
Now you and your friends complain to the council and goverment saying it's not fair that we can't relax and have fun drinking beer anymore. The council say "Hey your beer hasn't been taken away from you! You just don't want to pay the price required!"
Now is that fair? The only difference is I invested two years of time and money into EVE, and no-one is late for work because I gank a ship or two in high sec! But Yeah I'm sure any carebear would consider your changes fair and impartial.
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.25 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Now is that fair? The only difference is I invested two years of time and money into EVE, and no-one is late for work because I gank a ship or two in high sec! But Yeah I'm sure any carebear would consider your changes fair and impartial.
I'm wondering what you exactly want.
You're talking about something being fair and ganking in the same post... I thought those things were opposites.
So, you're saying CCP isn't fair to you because they add cost for you to fight unfair battles (ganking outnumbered mission/industrial/mining ships that have no PvP capability).
You should open a dictionnary and learn about what "fair" means.
So, it seems like you want to fight, I heard some alliances are getting bored in their area and travel through the galaxy to find some targets. The privateers is a big enough alliance to go meet those bored pilots and pop some ships.
I'm not telling anything about conquering stations and getting sovereignty, you can kick people out of the place and just leave the systems as waste. This is fighting and more fighting, isn't it what you joined eve for?
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Artu Stargazer
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Posted - 2007.04.25 18:13:00 -
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They may have taken the nerf a bit too far, but you were never supposed to be able to afford to war dec half of empire space. 200+ wars is ridiculous, but 10-20 should be supportable by a PvP focused alliance without too much of a problem. 20 wars will get you most of the big alliances and plenty of targets.
To be fair, many of the privateers are just looking for a good fight in empire, but the rest of us aren't necessarily looking for that.
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Dynast
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Posted - 2007.04.25 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Aeon Yakati
Cause it's cheaper since you can dock up when needed? Less risk vs higher rewards? Or it it since most of the empire targets don't fight back, unlike 0.0 targets?
Your whole strategy is solely dependant upon catching people unprepared, unaware of or ignorant about an empire war, and then "ganking" them. Should a target fight back, you will extend the courtesy for as long as you can take the odds, but when needed you have an almost insta way out: de-aggress, tank and dock up.
This sort of PVP shares many similarities with the use of pre-nerfed stabs, logoffski's and dual-mwd/nanos. These strategies have also been about stretching the risk vs reward equation by greatly decreasing the risks while only taking a mild hit on the reward side.
If you seriously think that's how PVP in EVE is supposed to be like, then I can only tell you you're playing the wrong game. Today's war-dec nerf is nothing else than an official confirmation that your views of 'PVP' do not match the designers' views. And luckily most of EVE's population as well.
Mass wardeccing in Empire may have been cheese, but it was better than the garbage alliance warfare that permeates deep 0.0. Blob-fights, lag, PoS killing, lag, DDs, lag, mass-targeting, lag, bubble camping for hours on end, lag, oh, and more lag. Oh, and the many varieties of metagaming that your own alliance is so keen on.
Whatever the designers may want or claim to want, they've utterly failed to provide enjoyable large scale alliance PvP. It's no accident that only a tiny, tiny fraction of EVE's playerbase will have anything to do with it. Despite massively higher rewards for mining, missioning, ratting, and well.. pretty much everything in 0.0.. 95% of EVE's playerbase won't touch your "endgame" with a ten foot pole. This is because it sucks horribly, and is essentially a job, not a game.
While the Privateers may have been largely fighting people who didn't want to fight, they were at least trying to find something of worth in this game.
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jshayne7898
Deathstar Mercenary Operations
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Posted - 2007.04.25 19:28:00 -
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Seeing that the Privateers have wardec'ed a large percentage of the eve community as it is. I think that this nerf will be well received by the eve community. As it stands the Privateers are telling us that if we want to stay safe then stay in an npc corp.
How is this fair. Either risk fighting the privateers to enjoy playing with friends in a group of your own or stay in noob corp. Hmmm seems the privateers has started dictating who is safe and who isn't and what ppl must do to stay safe. This seriously limits the capabilities of players to enjoy the game because a group of ppl want to shoot everything they see and could afford to do so.
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Par'Gellen
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.04.25 19:48:00 -
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Edited by: Par''Gellen on 25/04/2007 19:46:30
Originally by: Elgar Lightfoot
It worked fine for years, up until The Privateers began exploiting the system in such a way as was not intended.
It's the same with any game mechanic. If someone finds a way to use it in a unintended way and it gets exploited widespread enough then it will be 'fixed'.
QFT!
I see a lot of people in this game do not understand the difference between PvP and ganking. Privateers exploited a valid PvP game mechanic that allowed them to gank almost everyone all day long. Now they can't. It's a no-brainer.
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Serenity Frye
Defile.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: BH Desryn
You do know you can still have all your 200+ wars, right? It will just cost a load more isk to keep them going. Your wars haven't been taken away from you, it's just that you don't want to pay the price now required.
LOL u do realise how much that would cost ?
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Agricola Augusta
Minmatar
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.25 23:38:00 -
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I think Dynast hit the nail on the head for most Privateers. We've done the 0.0 PvP lag/snore fest over and over again and it just doesn't deliver for 80-90% of EVE.
If the DEVs spent more time on making 0.0 PvP more of an attractive/viable option than empire wars, there'd be no need for this patch. However rather than tempt the playerbase to 0.0 with the promise of FUN!!!!! They take away our fun in empire to try and send some more cannon fodder to a BoB lag fest.
Personally I'll be grinding missions in empire since I find it more interesting than 0.0 and I can actually accomplish something. Rather than sit on a bubble for 6 hours, or experience the slide show POS assaults. Where everyone tells you over vent that you died to a mothership and your ship disappears 20 seconds later!
Well done CCP you made the game less interesting for us, to try and force us into doing what you want. Can't wait for the next patch, You need to be +5 to enter any empire controlled space?
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Helen Highwater
Gallente
GTE Corp
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.26 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Agricola Augusta
They take away our fun in empire to try and send some more cannon fodder to a BoB lag fest.
But it hasn't been taken away. You can still wardec people, you can still have your Empire PvP, you can still have fun popping unwary industrial pilots with your PA blobs in hisec, you just have to pick your targets with a little more discrimination - which is how it should work. Don't tell me that an alliance the size of Privateers can't afford to have enough wars going to make sure you don't run out of targets in a hurry. So you can no longer be at war with half the server at once. So what? Do some research, find the targets and wind your necks in.
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WTF
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Posted - 2007.04.26 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Agricola Augusta
They take away our fun in empire to try and send some more cannon fodder to a BoB lag fest.
Fun?
You call, sitting outside of Jita 4-4, all day long, popping defensless haulers before their screen ever loads, FUN?
You call that CHALLENGING?
Give me a *Insert a very well known 4 letter F word here*ING BREAK
You have NO ROOM to talk, you talk about whiners, well look whos whining now. Your the real carebears.
Even when I was trying to kill some ISK Farmers/macros, you guys popped me anyways, I came back with an alt and a proper PVP combat setup, and privateers ran with their tail between their legs.
Your not looking to have a challenge.
Your looking for easy ganks, and if someone comes fitted with an Ibis with a railgun, you run away, hide, log off, dock, safespot, cloak, whatever.
And now your whining that you actually have to grow a pair and might actually have to fight people who might shoot back.
Ohnoes!
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Nox Solaris
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Posted - 2007.04.26 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Renosha Argaron
I am part of a peacefull mining corp that has just starting out and have just been war deced tonight by Repo Industries as they say one of my members blew up one of there ships.....or took part in it (without my knowlage) so they held my corp to ransom for the sum of 150 mil which may not be much for some corps but is alot to mine's.
we worked hard for what little we have.....but i refuse to pay....i will happily stay docked and train my skills and chat to friends while they shoot the station down around me.....lol.....if i start paying one Privateer corp i will have them all beating down our door for iskies we frankly dont have....lol....and there is no way we can fight back unless we take out our strip miners and throw them at there ships.....lol
Oh, this is fuuuunny.
I sit here outside your home station, the place you run to as soon as a blinking red star shows up in a shuttle, and I am looking at a Thanatos.
Poor, you say?
Hah.
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Sabe
Gallente
Red Horizon Inc
Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.04.26 05:25:00 -
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""Can't wait for the next patch, You need to be +5 to enter any empire controlled space?""
Thats actualy a good idea! :D
But on a lighter note, maybe all the alliances/corps that have been war dec'd by Privateers should camp out in empire and slaughter them all over empire, I bet Privateers would just leave their alliance and join NPC corps lol
Ganking the noobs to the game where they can't defend themselves and thus quit playing is griefing not pvp.
You brought this on yourselves Privateers, and you deserve it for being cowards. There is plenty of small scale pvp in 0.0 space you're just too cowardly to go out and do it.
Sabe
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Astral Reaper
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Posted - 2007.04.26 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Originally by: BH Desryn
You do know you can still have all your 200+ wars, right? It will just cost a load more isk to keep them going. Your wars haven't been taken away from you, it's just that you don't want to pay the price now required.
I'll assume you're not trying to insult my or anyother players intelligence here, and I'll give you an example similar to this and ask if you think it's fair.
Imagine that you and your friends enjoy going to the pub/bar every sturday night for a drink, because you find it fun. However people living close by are kept awake by the noise and complain. Also local offlicences are part owned by council members. So the local council increases the price of all alchohol served in pubs/bars. Each drink you buy doubles in price. So whereas 3 pints cost say 9 isk before, they now cost 21 isk and you can only afford 9 isk.
Now you and your friends complain to the council and goverment saying it's not fair that we can't relax and have fun drinking beer anymore. The council say "Hey your beer hasn't been taken away from you! You just don't want to pay the price required!"
Now is that fair? The only difference is I invested two years of time and money into EVE, and no-one is late for work because I gank a ship or two in high sec! But Yeah I'm sure any carebear would consider your changes fair and impartial.
Good analogy but it doesnt fit in this case. A beer (as wonderful as it is) is inanimate and is not the same level of existance as you. Someone could read what you said as "Other players are beer, they are lesser than me and I would like to pay a small fee to consume them as I wish". Heres my analogy where both sides are equal... or rather, human.
Your targets are like the security forces in Iraq. Their job is to patrol, stay peaceful if possible and just get on with their job. They are generally alone and more or less unaware of possible threats. You are the insurgents, who dont really do a job but instead wait to cause havoc and basically terrorise (obviously Im aware you dont do it out of hate, its for fun since this is a game).
Patrol pulls up to gate, slows down to go through... IED (Improvised explosive device for those that dont know) set by insurgents goes off. Patrol neutralised. You cheer and jest at your success. Thats my analogy of your gate camp.
This is a harsh description, and its rightfully so to get the point across. Whats scary is that it fits rather well.
Im not trying to insult you or to get a response but you dont see from our perspective on this matter. Try to open your mind a little to the situation.
Oh and Originally by: Agricola Augusta
I invested two years of time and money into EVE
So have many others... others you probably shot.
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Renosha Argaron
Caldari
The Celestial Free Miner's
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:15:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Nox Solaris
Oh, this is fuuuunny.
I sit here outside your home station, the place you run to as soon as a blinking red star shows up in a shuttle, and I am looking at a Thanatos.
Poor, you say?
Hah.
What are you on about and what sort of space solvents have you been sniffing? and seeing as our war dec just kicked in to effect lastnight i think your tellin porkie pie's, no one in our corp has the skill or the iskies to pilot a Thanatos....and when was the last time you saw a Thanatos in 0.5 empire?
we are a newly formed MINING corp, we dont pvp and we are peacefull and like to have a laugh and a joke on TS and in corp chat....thats it....end of.....then some privateer corp comes along and war dec's us for no other good reason than they need iskies to war deck some other poor mining/industrial corp.
It really does make me laugh though at the fact people call themselfs pvp'ers when they are in empire high sec picking of noobs in haulers/barges.....i mean where exactly is the pvp skill & quality in that?
And it also surprises me that even in a game people loose the morals and ethics over virtual currency like iskies.....i would really like to see some of you priveteers in RL and see what it would take for you to loose your ethics and morals then....and how quickly....the fact you say "ITS ROLE PLAY" or "JUST A GAME" is a poor excuse for extortion of the weak and vulnerable.
Being war decked is not really a big deal to me....its not costing my corp a penny as we are all docked up and will remain so till its over, and for anyone waiting outside our station waiting to pick us off as we undock?....well....your war is just gonna be a very expensive parking ticket for you guys.
anyway end of another good rant...lol
Regards
Renosha XxX
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H3ndrix
Middle Finger Technology
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.26 12:47:00 -
[37]
Originally by: WTF
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
They take away our fun in empire to try and send some more cannon fodder to a BoB lag fest.
Fun?
You call, sitting outside of Jita 4-4, all day long, popping defensless haulers before their screen ever loads, FUN?
You call that CHALLENGING?
Give me a *Insert a very well known 4 letter F word here*ING BREAK
You have NO ROOM to talk, you talk about whiners, well look whos whining now. Your the real carebears.
Even when I was trying to kill some ISK Farmers/macros, you guys popped me anyways, I came back with an alt and a proper PVP combat setup, and privateers ran with their tail between their legs.
Your not looking to have a challenge.
Your looking for easy ganks, and if someone comes fitted with an Ibis with a railgun, you run away, hide, log off, dock, safespot, cloak, whatever.
And now your whining that you actually have to grow a pair and might actually have to fight people who might shoot back.
Ohnoes!
QFT
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zentary
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Posted - 2007.04.26 13:12:00 -
[38]
I think priveteers got what they deserved on being able to war dec like 200+ corps and allainces at one time and not costing them a whole lot for it and i loved watching ppl steal your loot in high sec. I love to just sit out side jita station watching it its funny as h=== even tho ive never done it my self still funny.
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Dillon Arklight
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.04.26 13:19:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
I think Dynast hit the nail on the head for most Privateers. We've done the 0.0 PvP lag/snore fest over and over again and it just doesn't deliver for 80-90% of EVE.
If the DEVs spent more time on making 0.0 PvP more of an attractive/viable option than empire wars, there'd be no need for this patch. However rather than tempt the playerbase to 0.0 with the promise of FUN!!!!! They take away our fun in empire to try and send some more cannon fodder to a BoB lag fest.
Personally I'll be grinding missions in empire since I find it more interesting than 0.0 and I can actually accomplish something. Rather than sit on a bubble for 6 hours, or experience the slide show POS assaults. Where everyone tells you over vent that you died to a mothership and your ship disappears 20 seconds later!
Well done CCP you made the game less interesting for us, to try and force us into doing what you want. Can't wait for the next patch, You need to be +5 to enter any empire controlled space?
Have you tried basing outof NPC stations in 0.0?
No POS Warfare,
Only Logistics you have to do is your own,
Missions Available,
Carriers mean that MArket can be populated quickly (within 1 jump from Empire)
You say 0.0 is a lagfest, hows camping the Jita Gates working out for you?
EVE is what you make it.
Oh and btw its post patch and Le Skunk just posted you have
222 Wars
So yeah, damm you CCP for the nerf!!
How about limiting the amount of wars an alliancs can declare, 10 maybe?
Discuss.
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Avrunath
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Posted - 2007.04.26 15:04:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Avrunath on 26/04/2007 15:02:49
Fun?
You call, sitting outside of Jita 4-4, all day long, popping defensless haulers before their screen ever loads, FUN?
You call that CHALLENGING?
Give me a *Insert a very well known 4 letter F word here*ING BREAK
You have NO ROOM to talk, you talk about whiners, well look whos whining now. Your the real carebears.
Even when I was trying to kill some ISK Farmers/macros, you guys popped me anyways, I came back with an alt and a proper PVP combat setup, and privateers ran with their tail between their legs.
Your not looking to have a challenge.
Your looking for easy ganks, and if someone comes fitted with an Ibis with a railgun, you run away, hide, log off, dock, safespot, cloak, whatever.
And now your whining that you actually have to grow a pair and might actually have to fight people who might shoot back.
Ohnoes!
Bravo, i had a very good laugh on this one.
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Lord DeFault
Minmatar
Serenity Prime
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.04.26 17:23:00 -
[41]
Why?
Something about some grieving little alliance abusing it.
You know, Ones that get paid to merely bother every other 0.0 player when he comes for supplies for real alliance warfare.
Shame it worked fine till now
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Tonto Auri
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.04.26 21:47:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Tonto Auri on 26/04/2007 21:44:59
Many times I saw people asking to join corp and each time I saw answer "don't do that, You'll just start loosing Your money due to [censored] PVTR alliance".
Your grieving action blocks players' willing to play EVE, so CCP start loosing money... and try to save players. In a quickest possible way.
That's all what I can see from my side. You can agree or disagree with me - Your wish.
P.S.
I hate unmotivated aggression at all. If You have to fight against me and get any answer other than total ignore, You should have something what I need to get. Sure You not have anything I can't get in other way so... die happy.
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Serenity Frye
Defile.
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.27 12:19:00 -
[43]
Originally by: WTF
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
They take away our fun in empire to try and send some more cannon fodder to a BoB lag fest.
Fun?
You call, sitting outside of Jita 4-4, all day long, popping defensless haulers before their screen ever loads, FUN?
You call that CHALLENGING?
Give me a *Insert a very well known 4 letter F word here*ING BREAK
You have NO ROOM to talk, you talk about whiners, well look whos whining now. Your the real carebears.
Even when I was trying to kill some ISK Farmers/macros, you guys popped me anyways, I came back with an alt and a proper PVP combat setup, and privateers ran with their tail between their legs.
Your not looking to have a challenge.
Your looking for easy ganks, and if someone comes fitted with an Ibis with a railgun, you run away, hide, log off, dock, safespot, cloak, whatever.
And now your whining that you actually have to grow a pair and might actually have to fight people who might shoot back.
Ohnoes!
oh and u grow a pair and post with your main
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Razer Morphis
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.04.28 23:07:00 -
[44]
CCP say they want more PvP, more people in lowsec, more explosions, more risk.
PRVT made all empire a riskier place.
All was fine. It all seemed like a perfect marriage.
But.. alas, some "oh-so-uber" big alliances complained.
PRVT got nerfed.
Logical? Not really.
Expected? Oh yes.
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SauronTheMage
Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.29 01:27:00 -
[45]
Wow this thread is a waste for the most part.
1. Originally corps / alliances had a limit of initiating 3 wardecs maximum, but could recieve unlimited wardecs.
2. CCP in their great wisdom decided to remove this limit of 3 wardecs for whatever reason, and base wardecs on the limits of your wallet & how many wardecs you could afford at once.
3. After privateers took wardeccing to the next level, which is something ccp didn't take into account of happening, they decided to that bringing back the 3 dec limit is not what they want. They decided to find the middle ground and impose a dynamic price increase based on the number of corps / alliances you have at war at once. This way you can still dec more then 3 entities at once, but can't turn all of eve into a grief-fest (which is against their EULA, but ccp seems to ignore this part of the EULA for alot of grief cases trying to justify grieving through other means).
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Avrunath
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Posted - 2007.04.29 12:02:00 -
[46]
Well i think this is a very good change CCP did because Empire is no place for Pirates(yeh yeh i know we arent Piwates yarr, i dont really care if you call it buccaneer, privateer or whatever, you are all bloody Piwates), thats why it is called High-Security.
And you shouldnt be able to roam arround in it and plunder in that big way. And in my humble opinion you should really grow a pair and go to 0.0 if you want your so called PvP, or at least do it like the other Piwates and roam arround in lowsec and get your PvP.
If you cant see this then there is no place for you in this game. You cant just threaten a whole community (the newer players that help growing the game) and think you get thru with it. Because if you really think about it, it would stop the game from growing and then you wouldnt get any noobs anymore to shoot at.
I think CCP is doing a great job with all this "Need for Speed" and the Revelation Patches are also very good so far. I like that they take their time to fix and balance what its implemented and then do the next patch. Of course not everything they do is gold but all in all i like whats happening to the game.
Keep up the good work!
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Icome4u
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.04.30 03:24:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Icome4u on 30/04/2007 03:20:28
The new war fee's were implemented to nerf FA b/c they were abusing the system.
Free t2 Tissues for anyone who wants some.
Free t2 Tissues
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Cryptic Myst
Caldari
Helium 3
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Posted - 2007.04.30 11:37:00 -
[48]
Originally by: SauronTheMage
...CCP in their great wisdom decided to remove this limit of 3 wardecs for whatever reason...
someone prolly complained
Nerf Forcast:
Cloaked ships we be findable
Nerf Bubbles will no longer affect T2 Industrial Ships |
Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.30 14:53:00 -
[49]
Where in 0.0 are all these blobs you refer to?
I have lived in 0.0 for the last 2 years. First in Curse, then Outer Ring and now Venal and during all this time seeing a fleet of more than 20 people at the same time has always been a VERY rare event.
Avg gang size on both friendly and hostile fleets are almost always around 5-10. We have fun small group pvp in 0.0 every night and it's much less laggy than empire pvp.
What POS warefare? We had a can sitting outside the station name "POS" but that's the closest to a POS we had in months.
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Nicholas Barker
Caldari
Black Bands
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.30 22:36:00 -
[50]
just because you're in empire doesn't mean you're not out looking to have fights with targets that out number you, What would you prefer, Alliance 1 vs Alliance 2, or Alliance 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8++++++ vs "alliance P". TBH the dev blog sounded like it was trying to mock us, and i didn't take it lightly. we're a much easier threat to handle, also shouldn't factions have standings set to the different alliances and alot of them being negative, if you're in an alliance alot of parts of empire shouldn't be accessable because those factions don't like you, we sort of provide this, although the NPCs should actually do that themselves, i'm guessing this is part of faction warfare.
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Avrunath
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Posted - 2007.05.01 07:06:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Avrunath on 01/05/2007 07:04:24
Edited by: Avrunath on 01/05/2007 07:04:05
Oh i see what this is about. Now they wardeced that many Aliances and have nearly the whole galaxy against them, they have no more "safe" playgrounds to go to.
Seems like you bit off a bit more than you can chew.
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Komatose
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.04 04:10:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Why the change, if this isn't a Privateer nerf could CCP please explain the logic to changing a system that's worked perfectly well for years?
Also it saddens me that EVE has taken yet another step to becoming a more Carebear orientated game. If I wanted to PvE all day with no risk of being attacked, I'd be playing one of the many other titles on the market which provide that.
I bought EVE because it was different to the usual MMORPG philosophy, however now it is changing to suit the mainstream. All because some Alliances cried "Whhhhaaa the Privateers keep killing my alt hauler, everytime I try to move stuff to Jita!". If this is not so, then please state the reason you felt the need to make three wars or more too expensive for 90% of EVE?
These views are mine alone and not those of my alliance nor anyone associated with them in anyway.
AHAHAHA I knew some Privateer punk would cry about this eventually.
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Komatose
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.04 04:18:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Dillon Arklight
It needed changing tbh. Whether you like it or not Empire was never supposed to operate in the way that Privateers would like. CCP do want more people into low sec and 0.0 but the move has to be optional as does the introduction to PVP. If a new players joins a corp war dec'd by Privateers and gets his ship repeatly destroyed is that fair? And will that player stay in EVE?
Frankly: I can't say I like war or anything else. And this is the first time I have ever agreed with a BoB member....so cant we all just get along!? =)
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Komatose
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.04 04:21:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Originally by: BH Desryn
You do know you can still have all your 200+ wars, right? It will just cost a load more isk to keep them going. Your wars haven't been taken away from you, it's just that you don't want to pay the price now required.
I'll assume you're not trying to insult my or anyother players intelligence here, and I'll give you an example similar to this and ask if you think it's fair.
Imagine that you and your friends enjoy going to the pub/bar every sturday night for a drink, because you find it fun. However people living close by are kept awake by the noise and complain. Also local offlicences are part owned by council members. So the local council increases the price of all alchohol served in pubs/bars. Each drink you buy doubles in price. So whereas 3 pints cost say 9 isk before, they now cost 21 isk and you can only afford 9 isk.
Now you and your friends complain to the council and goverment saying it's not fair that we can't relax and have fun drinking beer anymore. The council say "Hey your beer hasn't been taken away from you! You just don't want to pay the price required!"
Now is that fair? The only difference is I invested two years of time and money into EVE, and no-one is late for work because I gank a ship or two in high sec! But Yeah I'm sure any carebear would consider your changes fair and impartial.
Or you can STFU and think of the war prices as gas prices....... you need more wars? You pay more money and its all because of someone else whining they are not getting enough :)
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.04 11:46:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Why the change, if this isn't a Privateer nerf could CCP please explain the logic to changing a system that's worked perfectly well for years?
Also it saddens me that EVE has taken yet another step to becoming a more Carebear orientated game. If I wanted to PvE all day with no risk of being attacked, I'd be playing one of the many other titles on the market which provide that.
I bought EVE because it was different to the usual MMORPG philosophy, however now it is changing to suit the mainstream. All because some Alliances cried "Whhhhaaa the Privateers keep killing my alt hauler, everytime I try to move stuff to Jita!". If this is not so, then please state the reason you felt the need to make three wars or more too expensive for 90% of EVE?
These views are mine alone and not those of my alliance nor anyone associated with them in anyway.
howcome i knew you were a member of PA before i even opened the post? You got beat with the nerf bat....join a 0.0 alliance, and take some risks. Empire will no longer be your 0.0 space. Using the game mechanics to circumvent space security was CLEARLY not working as intended. For you to even sit here and think that you are presenting an unbias and objective point of view on the situation is laughable.
You have 2 options, go back to carebearing.....or grow a pair and learn to PvP in low sec/0.0
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Liang Nuren
Red 42
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.04 19:44:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Why the change, if this isn't a Privateer nerf could CCP please explain the logic to changing a system that's worked perfectly well for years?
Also it saddens me that EVE has taken yet another step to becoming a more Carebear orientated game. If I wanted to PvE all day with no risk of being attacked, I'd be playing one of the many other titles on the market which provide that.
I bought EVE because it was different to the usual MMORPG philosophy, however now it is changing to suit the mainstream. All because some Alliances cried "Whhhhaaa the Privateers keep killing my alt hauler, everytime I try to move stuff to Jita!". If this is not so, then please state the reason you felt the need to make three wars or more too expensive for 90% of EVE?
These views are mine alone and not those of my alliance nor anyone associated with them in anyway.
howcome i knew you were a member of PA before i even opened the post? You got beat with the nerf bat....join a 0.0 alliance, and take some risks. Empire will no longer be your 0.0 space. Using the game mechanics to circumvent space security was CLEARLY not working as intended. For you to even sit here and think that you are presenting an unbias and objective point of view on the situation is laughable.
You have 2 options, go back to carebearing.....or grow a pair and learn to PvP in low sec/0.0
You people have no idea what you're talking about. 20 man BS gangs rove the empire looking for lone Privateers to blow up. Everyone always assumes that the privateers ran in 40 man BS gangs with instant lock times with scan probes that could find you when you'd been logged off for 4 hours and that they only shot haulers...
The Privateers were better at PVP than any 0.0 alliance I've run across - and they certainly did have a "pair" as you put it. Your ignorance makes me sick.
Liang
My opinions are my own, and do not in any way reflect the beliefs of my corp/alliance. |
Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.05 16:46:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Why the change, if this isn't a Privateer nerf could CCP please explain the logic to changing a system that's worked perfectly well for years?
Also it saddens me that EVE has taken yet another step to becoming a more Carebear orientated game. If I wanted to PvE all day with no risk of being attacked, I'd be playing one of the many other titles on the market which provide that.
I bought EVE because it was different to the usual MMORPG philosophy, however now it is changing to suit the mainstream. All because some Alliances cried "Whhhhaaa the Privateers keep killing my alt hauler, everytime I try to move stuff to Jita!". If this is not so, then please state the reason you felt the need to make three wars or more too expensive for 90% of EVE?
These views are mine alone and not those of my alliance nor anyone associated with them in anyway.
howcome i knew you were a member of PA before i even opened the post? You got beat with the nerf bat....join a 0.0 alliance, and take some risks. Empire will no longer be your 0.0 space. Using the game mechanics to circumvent space security was CLEARLY not working as intended. For you to even sit here and think that you are presenting an unbias and objective point of view on the situation is laughable.
You have 2 options, go back to carebearing.....or grow a pair and learn to PvP in low sec/0.0
You people have no idea what you're talking about. 20 man BS gangs rove the empire looking for lone Privateers to blow up. Everyone always assumes that the privateers ran in 40 man BS gangs with instant lock times with scan probes that could find you when you'd been logged off for 4 hours and that they only shot haulers...
The Privateers were better at PVP than any 0.0 alliance I've run across - and they certainly did have a "pair" as you put it. Your ignorance makes me sick.
Liang
am I doubting their PVP ability? NO...so shut your face. I'm simply stating that they felt they could make empire their very own 0.0 sec by throwing war decs at people. Your inferring ALSO that i stated they only ganked haulers. why dont YOU learn how to read and then see what I'm really getting at there.
I never once doubted their ability, but if theyre really as FANTASTIC as you say, why have they not forged ahead and began solidifying a place in 0.0 seeing as thats where theyd be most apt to excel, according to you.
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Vuural
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Posted - 2007.05.06 01:30:00 -
[58]
The ONLY people crying here are the privateers.
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Yasuki Orie
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.09 11:59:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Yasuki Orie on 09/05/2007 11:56:39
The change in war dec fees was a HUGE step in the right direction and the next HUGE leap is removing all the fixed complexes so the rest of the player base can play the game. For far too long, EVE has been dominated by 1% of the player base and everyone else having their opportunities to play severely dampened. Now the other 99% will have access to t2 production and complexes which they have been denied for ages. 90% of EVE is in favor of 0 wars so the cost of a 2nd war is completely irrelevant except to prevent terrorist attacks from killing vast amounts of innocent civilians.
If every griefer quit eve over this, the community of EVE would be immesurably improved. The goal of every game is to be free of griefers and exploiters.
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ShyLion
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.10 21:39:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Yasuki Orie
Edited by: Yasuki Orie on 09/05/2007 11:56:39
The change in war dec fees was a HUGE step in the right direction and the next HUGE leap is removing all the fixed complexes so the rest of the player base can play the game. For far too long, EVE has been dominated by 1% of the player base and everyone else having their opportunities to play severely dampened. Now the other 99% will have access to t2 production and complexes which they have been denied for ages. 90% of EVE is in favor of 0 wars so the cost of a 2nd war is completely irrelevant except to prevent terrorist attacks from killing vast amounts of innocent civilians.
If every griefer quit eve over this, the community of EVE would be immesurably improved. The goal of every game is to be free of griefers and exploiters.
Ok, what you got here is basically a majority of two type of posters (posers) here: the pro-carebear and the privateer.
To the pro-carebears: If you want completely safe go play online-checkers or take up group crocheting. Eve will never be that way and prides itself on it. It's a game of empire building and all the similar real world dynamics - good and bad, economies, markets , politics and tensions come with it. Hey, it's like real life - it's not always fair or safe and you can't always do what you want soooooo.... Get over it and stop complaining. As for wanting removal of fixed complexes, etc., work for it! You want to come new into a game and do what people/corps/alliances have learned/worked/fought years for? I think not. Be careful what you wish for because I am sure no one would be happy if you got it.
To the privateers: Deal with it - you know it went WAY too far. Although it would have been nice to have a monthly special with the nerf/fix like war dec one corp this week and get 2 free.......
So really who cares/ It's been nerfed/fixed. Now the only kind of alliance/corp that will be able to support that amount of war dec's will have to be as rich as Bob - whoops!
~What is the difference between genius and stupidity? Genius has limits.~
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2007.05.11 18:28:00 -
[61]
Like most things that CCP nerfs, wardecs were nerfed a bit too hard. It wasn't a nerf as much as it was a removal of a new and creative type of gameplay which was created by the players in the sandbox that is Eve.
You might say "you can still wardec and have your hisec fun". Well sure, and you can still mine in a .4 system with a Hulk. The fact is, it's not even close to being cost-effective.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.05.12 16:15:00 -
[62]
Empire IS supposed to be safe, except from people that don't like you for a reason. Not becuase they can just dec you cheaply. The point was vs Privateers you couldn't win. You could have a 10000:1 K:D ratio, and still get decced every week like clockwork.
Also, that system wasn't working like that 'for years' before alliances you had a limit of 4 wars, tops. Initally alliance wars cost more as well. This was losened because no one thought anyone would do anything like the Privateers. War decs simply became too cheap.
You want a war, go ahead. But Wars in eve are meant for people who you dislike, knock out a competitor, hamper an enemies supply lines. It was NEVER meant to make empire a battleground for 95% of players. That's not Eve it's some other game, go play that. I was war decced by privateers for 4 months, and never once lost a ship, OOC alts kept everything in empire moving. The war didn't affect me, and yet, it still annoyed me that there was no way to 'win'. In 0.0 you can take their space. In smaller wars people grow tired of losing ship after ship. But when the people you kill are not the ones that pay for the war.....
Privateers was an exploit. ie. An unintended use of game mechanics. Not the privateers fault, but the game mechanic needed to be fixed. This too FAR FAR longer than it should have, be glad you got away with it for so long.
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Icome4u
IronPig
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.05.13 01:48:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Admiral Nova
Empire IS supposed to be safe, except from people that don't like you for a reason. Not becuase they can just dec you cheaply. The point was vs Privateers you couldn't win. You could have a 10000:1 K:D ratio, and still get decced every week like clockwork.
Also, that system wasn't working like that 'for years' before alliances you had a limit of 4 wars, tops. Initally alliance wars cost more as well. This was losened because no one thought anyone would do anything like the Privateers. War decs simply became too cheap.
You want a war, go ahead. But Wars in eve are meant for people who you dislike, knock out a competitor, hamper an enemies supply lines. It was NEVER meant to make empire a battleground for 95% of players. That's not Eve it's some other game, go play that. I was war decced by privateers for 4 months, and never once lost a ship, OOC alts kept everything in empire moving. The war didn't affect me, and yet, it still annoyed me that there was no way to 'win'. In 0.0 you can take their space. In smaller wars people grow tired of losing ship after ship. But when the people you kill are not the ones that pay for the war.....
Privateers was an exploit. ie. An unintended use of game mechanics. Not the privateers fault, but the game mechanic needed to be fixed. This too FAR FAR longer than it should have, be glad you got away with it for so long.
/Signed
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.13 06:05:00 -
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Originally by: BH Desryn
You do know you can still have all your 200+ wars, right? It will just cost a load more isk to keep them going. Your wars haven't been taken away from you, it's just that you don't want to pay the price now required.
QFT....pay up, or shut up
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Toric Gaul
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Posted - 2007.05.13 06:45:00 -
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Edited by: Toric Gaul on 13/05/2007 06:43:22
Originally by: Agricola Augusta
Originally by: BH Desryn
You do know you can still have all your 200+ wars, right? It will just cost a load more isk to keep them going. Your wars haven't been taken away from you, it's just that you don't want to pay the price now required.
I'll assume you're not trying to insult my or anyother players intelligence here, and I'll give you an example similar to this and ask if you think it's fair.
Imagine that you and your friends enjoy going to the pub/bar every sturday night for a drink, because you find it fun. However people living close by are kept awake by the noise and complain. Also local offlicences are part owned by council members. So the local council increases the price of all alchohol served in pubs/bars. Each drink you buy doubles in price. So whereas 3 pints cost say 9 isk before, they now cost 21 isk and you can only afford 9 isk.
Now you and your friends complain to the council and goverment saying it's not fair that we can't relax and have fun drinking beer anymore. The council say "Hey your beer hasn't been taken away from you! You just don't want to pay the price required!"
Now is that fair? The only difference is I invested two years of time and money into EVE, and no-one is late for work because I gank a ship or two in high sec! But Yeah I'm sure any carebear would consider your changes fair and impartial.
Lets say I meet you in said bar, and slip the bouncer a 20 to look the other way, then me and all my friends beat the crap out of you and yours, so we can take your wallets and car keys. Oh, by the way, the cops don't care and aint commin. Is that fair? You were just there for drinks and fun. Think the bar will make money and stay open if we do this to everyone who comes in at some point? Is this in the bouncers best interest, to let us close the bar down?
So now we either pay the bouncer more, pick our targets better, or follow people into dark ally ways. Still works. Just gotta be smarter.
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