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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.13 16:48:17 -
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How about building something even bigger than a titan.
Wondering what ideas you could come up with to make a stationary maybe semi stationary object likes player build moon useful.
I could imagine it could do all things a citadel could and better and could have a lot firepower.
It should not interfere with sov. So it could cut off from supply routs.
So it could most efficiently take down by a sigeing the system this would be in.
Alternative bring it down by firepower.
Something like a eve death star.
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mkint
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Posted - 2017.02.13 16:52:42 -
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y?
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.13 17:42:13 -
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Pretty sure the equivalent to the Eve Deathstar is a Keepstar, because people in the Eve Universe are good enough at miniaturization that we don't need a whole moon around our doom weapons, and we don't feel the need to blow up perfectly good planets to show off. 
Also this is the volume of Earth's moon in m3: 21,900,000,000,000,000,000
building something like that is ridiculously not practical. |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.13 18:32:40 -
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Not sure about eve players not willing to blow things up only to show off.
If this moon is powerful enough it could lead to enormous fight over weaks and even month.
Since this structure would manifest your home system. And couldn't withstand a singe for quite long.
And of course the build should be ridicules im time and and cost.
You want some high end home base pay for it. If you lose it see 1000 plex going down the drain.
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.13 18:32:46 -
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Keepstar.
or a palatine keepstar if that's not good enough for you. |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.13 18:36:15 -
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Bigger=better.
My girlfriend told me this.
Also I did downscale already my first thought was planet size
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys
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Posted - 2017.02.13 18:36:44 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Pretty sure the equivalent to the Eve Deathstar is a Keepstar, because people in the Eve Universe are good enough at miniaturization that we don't need a whole moon around our doom weapons, and we don't feel the need to blow up perfectly good planets to show off. Also this is the volume of Earth's moon in m3: 21,900,000,000,000,000,000 building something like that is ridiculously not practical.
...or commonly known as Dyson's sphere.
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Lan Wang
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Posted - 2017.02.13 18:43:42 -
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Van Doe wrote:I could imagine it could do all things a citadel could and better and could have a lot firepower.
like what? you proposed the idea so whats your thoughts?
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.13 18:46:02 -
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Van Doe wrote:Bigger=better.
My girlfriend told me this.
Also I did downscale already my first thought was planet size
And exactly what do you propose it do that a keepstar, at a mere 160km tall, doesn't already do? |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.13 18:52:54 -
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Make moons the only place you could build titans anf make them dockable.
Many some defensive structures that fit in the moons orbit and share the power cpu cap and fule consumption.
Ech structure in orbit requires a player to be active
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.13 19:08:42 -
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Also I would be ok with building planets and moons to do pi and mm
Take away things that are given by the game and let the community build it.
So you could build ice lava whatever planets.
Make them destructible and leftovers mineable like asteroid belts.
This would bring some dynamic into the appearance of solar systems.
Shooting at a planet or moon in highsec = concord
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.13 19:41:59 -
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But. Why. Would. You. Bother? |
Lan Wang
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Posted - 2017.02.13 20:08:36 -
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doesnt sound very fun tbh 
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.13 20:34:00 -
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Let me clarify for the benefit of OP. To build something the volume of a moon you would need 18.25 *trillion* Charon loads of material.
Someone would have to check with Red Frog or CCP but I'm pretty sure that's more trips than have ever been made by Freighter in the Eve universe to this date given that it would take 10,000 players at 2 hours per trip 416 THOUSAND YEARS to transport that much material.
OP, your idea is ridiculous and adds nothing of value. It doesn't even add a ridiculous but semi-realistic long term target to shoot for, it's just complete and utter ridiculousness. |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.13 22:05:36 -
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Lan Wang wrote:doesnt sound very fun tbh
Mining don't sound fun to.
But people do it because
1.they need the material
2. Profit
3.for some it is actually fun
4. Sandbox game
5. Everting in eve should be created and build by players.
This would bring eve a step forward to make it self sustainable.
Means no players no universe.
And don't ***** around the realism of mass.
Ccp could easily balance this out.
Did it ever came into your bright bright brain that it could be balanced so it is not
Build.time 4k years or not at all?
How can you sleep at night with the knowledge a titan would realistically hade a build time of centurys?
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.13 23:48:48 -
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Van Doe wrote:Lan Wang wrote:doesnt sound very fun tbh Mining don't sound fun to. But people do it because 1.they need the material 2. Profit 3.for some it is actually fun 4. Sandbox game 5. Everting in eve should be created and build by players. This would bring eve a step forward to make it self sustainable. Means no players no universe. And don't ***** around the realism of mass. Ccp could easily balance this out. Did it ever came into your bright bright brain that it could be balanced so it is not Build.time 4k years or not at all? How can you sleep at night with the knowledge a titan would realistically hade a build time of centurys?
Actually some people do find mining and industry fun.
Some people find it relaxing.
Some people just enjoy building things themselves.
Some people just want to fly a spaceship but don't want the faster pace required of shooting things.
There are lots of reasons people might enjoy mining, even if you're not one of those people.
There is no reason I can imagine that someone might enjoy the idea of a moon you couldn't build in several lifetimes of gameplay.
Also you're making a lot of claims there with no support, like about how any of this would be good gameplay or fills any sort of niche. We already have the Keepstar and the Palatine above that as high-end achievable. Your idea here doesn't offer anything those don't already offer.
"Because why not" is not ever a reason to spend dev time on something.
Also you just literally said "realistic" and "Titan" in the same sentence. Wut. |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.14 09:07:05 -
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Did you fell on your head right after birth?
What did I say under point 3. ?
Eve in easy for you.
Gather resources build things to gather more/better/other resources (deficiently)
Make things go boom you have build and collect the scrap to build things to go boom.
With moons and planets in player control you add another layer.
This would bring fight over resources.
Like jump in enemy space nuke moons.
So they can't moon mining anymore until they build a new one.
Same goes for planets.
Bookmarks could get outdated if planets fall and rise.
So you could capture a system and make sure the bookmarks your enemy hase are almost useles.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
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Posted - 2017.02.14 09:27:18 -
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Van Doe wrote:Lan Wang wrote:doesnt sound very fun tbh Mining don't sound fun to. But people do it because 1.they need the material 2. Profit 3.for some it is actually fun 4. Sandbox game 5. Everting in eve should be created and build by players. This would bring eve a step forward to make it self sustainable. Means no players no universe. And don't ***** around the realism of mass. Ccp could easily balance this out. Did it ever came into your bright bright brain that it could be balanced so it is not Build.time 4k years or not at all? How can you sleep at night with the knowledge a titan would realistically hade a build time of centurys?
shut up and stop getting aggressive
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Wolfgang Jannesen
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Posted - 2017.02.14 13:44:50 -
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I can't see any reason to make a planet sized structure. You can already produce Titans with the Keepstar, you can do pretty well everything a moon can do with the Keepstar aside from planet sized lasers that won't exist in EVE anyway |
Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.14 14:13:09 -
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"But it would add another layer!" isn't a reason for anything. Heck, "it would add more X" isn't a reason for anything, you need a more compelling reason than that. What niche does it fill that isn't being met, in this specific case what does this offer that a Keepstar doesn't already? What is this going to drive besides "look, another big thing!"
Also the idea that you would build a moon and then mine it for stuff that you didn't put into it makes literally no sense. The idea with PI and Moon Mining is that these are resources found on the moons/planets. If you built one you would have to put that stuff there.
Also the ability to blow up moons would make a wreck of the Eve economy in pretty short order, which would make many ships and modules inaccessible, which would be generally bad for the game.
Also bookmarks aren't done in relation to a planet, most bookmarks are around gates and stations.
Also if you're now talking about blowing up or changing existing planets your idea becomes basically technically infeasible. Planets, moons, and other celestials aren't coded dynamically, they're static data in the database and aren't designed to be ever changed, that's why planets and moons don't orbit. CCP would have to rework a ton of very very baseline code to make this work. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2017.02.14 14:18:58 -
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Van Doe wrote:How about building something even bigger than a titan.
you mean like a keepstar?
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.02.14 14:30:07 -
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No because moons and planets are not made by people they are made by one of two processes.
1. religious based, chose whichever one you like and there is a story in it about how a god or gods created the universe and all of the planets and moons.
2. or avoid the whole issue with religion entirely and say that the moons and planets were formed by a natural process over the eons where gravity repeatedly draws material out of space and forms it into a spherical shape, adding layer by layer until we get to a moon or a planet.
The main question to me is why would I want to go to the asteroid belts, ice belts and gas clouds of EvE to mine the materials to make a moon or planet so I can then mine them again and use them to build stuff?
If you want big expolsions build a Keepstar, I am sure there are players here that would be glad to accomodate you by blowing it up so you can see the big explosion. Or you can simply put this video on a loop playback.
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:34:06 -
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The thing is the universe could get self sustained.
After players moons and planets
You could link sites and asteroid fields to the planets/moons
So even the npc stuff will lay in the hands of players.
And not just im the will off ccp and there algorithm.
Endgame would be a functional finance market..
Wich could come with the isk drop of rats since they are in players hands indirectly.
on a later point introduce 4 currencys for each faction.
So I could see the game make a jump to a complete ecosystem with no interference from.outside.
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:39:37 -
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Or, you could open things up too much and allow players to wreck fundamental aspects of gameplay by going around blowing up a ton of planets and moons and making it so tons of playstyles are no longer viable.
Not absolutely everything needs to be under the control of players. ISK is put into the game in various ways by NPCs and taken out again by NPC fees, for example. The Eve economy literally would not function without those mechanisms.
It sounds like the game you want here is pretty fundamentally not Eve in any meaningful way shape or form. It might be fun, I wish you luck in going off and making it, but Eve is not that game. |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:40:00 -
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So you ask why mine something to buld something to mine it again.
The answer is geo engineering.
Cluster enough rocks and ice in apace. Place them in a orbit and you have a planet.
If you have a planet you can have biomass. See pi
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:46:22 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:Or, you could open things up too much and allow players to wreck fundamental aspects of gameplay by going around blowing up a ton of planets and moons and making it so tons of playstyles are no longer viable.
Not absolutely everything needs to be under the control of players. ISK is put into the game in various ways by NPCs and taken out again by NPC fees, for example. The Eve economy literally would not function without those mechanisms.
It sounds like the game you want here is pretty fundamentally not Eve in any meaningful way shape or form. It might be fun, I wish you luck in going off and making it, but Eve is not that game.
Hs would stay pretty much intact. Not talking about that.
On the other hand in low and null and ws you have a reason to cultivate your home and garden.
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:50:45 -
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Van Doe wrote:Hs would stay pretty much intact. Not talking about that.
On the other hand in low and null and ws you have a reason to cultivate your home and garden.
We already have this, in the form of mining infrastructure and stations. Basically what this would do is allow you to take the worst space in the game and make it awesome, which is bad for conflict generation. Also CCP have stated, repeatedly, that they want there to be variation in the quality of space and for some resources to be inherently rare. This would violate both of those ideas.
Alternatively it would let someone go on a wrecking spree and trash everything in Null, jack up the price of any product requiring Null Sec resources, and generally trash the game economy.
Van Doe wrote:So you ask why mine something to buld something to mine it again.
The answer is geo engineering.
Cluster enough rocks and ice in apace. Place them in a orbit and you have a planet.
If you have a planet you can have biomass. See pi
This is not a reason for anything. Having mechanics for the sake of having mechanics is circular logic, not a cohesive argument for why something should be implemented. |
Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:09:54 -
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And why is the deal about diversity of space?
You can still make it to be diverse.
And actually you prove my point.
This could lead to even more conflict potential.
Will you drink your bear and watch the football game while some is going on a rampage in your garden?
Also if someone kills for fun some planets in abandon systems.
People are forced to go in systems claimed by xyz to mine rat and whatever.
So they are forced into a. a even more hidden lifestyle b. they need to interact in hostile territory.
More fight more danger more contact more gameplay more win
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:45:29 -
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Van Doe wrote:And why is the deal about diversity of space?
You can still make it to be diverse.
And actually you prove my point.
This could lead to even more conflict potential.
Will you drink your bear and watch the football game while some is going on a rampage in your garden?
Also if someone kills for fun some planets in abandon systems.
People are forced to go in systems claimed by xyz to mine rat and whatever.
So they are forced into a. a even more hidden lifestyle b. they need to interact in hostile territory.
More fight more danger more contact more gameplay more win
In the first part of this you have just made a lot of claims without so much as providing an unsupported argument to back up any of them. If any space can be made amazing you have just removed diversity, not created it. This would also encourage sitting back and building rather than going out and taking, especially since the better your space becomes the more resources you have to defend it and the harder you are to dislodge.
In the second you make more unsupported claims, and several unfounded assumptions about how players will react, like a majority of players won't take a broken thing and run it into the ground just to prove how broken it is... because Eve totally doesn't have a long running history of people doing just that... 
Please learn how to support and form an argument in a logical fashion... |
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Avenger Mercenaries
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elitatwo wrote:Cade Windstalker wrote:Pretty sure the equivalent to the Eve Deathstar is a Keepstar, because people in the Eve Universe are good enough at miniaturization that we don't need a whole moon around our doom weapons, and we don't feel the need to blow up perfectly good planets to show off. Also this is the volume of Earth's moon in m3: 21,900,000,000,000,000,000 building something like that is ridiculously not practical. ...or commonly known as Dyson's sphere.
yeah but the dyson is built around stars so its a huge planet in reverse, hes looking for something mobile like the death star. This would lead to a great amount of conflict as people flock to be the first one to kill it just as the faction keepstar. once its built theres going to be a massive war over to see who kills it just like the first titan.
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