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Mr Hyde113
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:01:06 -
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Time to shake the dust off your Oracles and farm some juicy bubble KMs
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Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
485
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:03:07 -
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Mr Hyde113 wrote:Time to shake the dust off your Oracles and farm some juicy bubble KMs
So, will killing a bubble generate a killmark? |
cpu939
Eternal Darkness. Blades of Grass
107
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:03:18 -
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Myself i would like to see
T1 Small - 5 hours med - 10 hours Large - 15 hours
T2 50% bonus on there T1 counter part, faction bubbles 100% bonus on there T! counterpart yes large would give over a days worth of time.
nullified shuttle only |
Nou Mene
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:03:58 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hitpoint and shield regen changes:- ~10% less HP for T1 bubbles
- ~20% more HP for T2 bubbles
- ~50% more HP for Syndicate bubbles
- Significantly longer shield regen times for all anchored bubbles, which will reduce passive shield tanking by the bubbles and make destroying them with low DPS much easier
why if they are degrading in space HP is not linked to elapsed time? would not be interesting if they were to lose HP as times goes by to finally die?
will they produce a wreck? |
Ezio Dicostanzo
Out of Focus Odin's Call
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:04:06 -
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bubbles should be ONE DAY MAX or ratting systems with 354537434 bubbles on the gate are still gonna be a thing :(
Fozzie, what happened to metaballs where intersecting bubbles are merged into one continuous geometry, shown during fanfest 2014 ? |
Yoski Yoski
Better Off Red Unspoken Alliance.
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:04:49 -
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The numbers I with they were Two days for all T1 bubbles 4 Days for all T2 bubbles 8 Days for all Syndicate bubbles
Hitpoint and shield regen changes: ~10% less HP for T1 bubbles ~20% more HP for T2 bubbles ~50% more HP for Syndicate bubbles Significantly longer shield regen times for all anchored bubbles, which will reduce passive shield tanking by the bubbles and make destroying them with low DPS much easier |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
170
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:06:45 -
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cpu939 wrote:Myself i would like to see
T1 Small - 5 hours med - 10 hours Large - 15 hours
T2 50% bonus on there T1 counter part, faction bubbles 100% bonus on there T! counterpart yes large would give over a days worth of time.
nullified shuttle only
Not sure about the times. Maybe 12/24/48 to align with their current suggestion of 2 days for T1. But yeah, no reason bubble size shouldn't also be considered for decay along with Tech version |
Mynxee
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
307
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:07:19 -
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I love the killmail generation -- not for the reasons others might, but as a way to gain insight into which of my spacekids might be doing things they shouldn't under our Credo. So...killmails for ALL the things!
The decay timer is a welcome change just for helping to clear space junk.
As a side note, it is great to see the positive coordination between CSM and CCP these days.
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Icarus Narcissus
Pathway to the Next
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:07:44 -
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So, a few questions:
1) Will bubbles still be re-scoopable after deployment?
2a) If yes, will their timer reset when they are re-deployed?
2b) If no to either of the previous, will their material costs be changed in any way to account for what will be a major increase in consumption.
3) Will bubbles in space at the time of launch start counting down as soon as the patch hits?
4) Out of curiosity, could CCP release the number of bubbles in space the day of this launch and again 2 weeks later? It would be interesting to see the impact this has on space clutter. |
Suitonia
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
756
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:07:48 -
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This is a good step forward, although I think your timers are a little too conservative. I'd like to see 48 hours max on T2 bubbles, and 1 week for syndicate which currently see no usage.
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The Slayer
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
334
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:09:49 -
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A week is still about 6 days too long. Have the timer be low but be able to be refreshed by the person who anchored it re accessing the bubble, like a secure container in space. |
Brown Pathfinder
Its a good day to die
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:12:22 -
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This looks like a good balqnced change, maybe reduce the materials for building bubbles to lower the price a little? |
sharpscg
shiva Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:16:20 -
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The purpose Warp Disruptors fulfill Before looking at how to tweak mobile warp disruptors, lets first extablish how they are currently used. I know this is not an complete list, but I am confident to say these two cases cover at least 90% of all deployed bubbles.
1. Gatecamping Static gatecamps are camps, where the camper has no intention to move. Only a single gate, or a small collection of adjacent gates are camped. The static nature of mobile warp disruptos perfectly assists in this task. A low number of bubbles is deployed for the camp, and protected by players for the duration of the camp. After the camp is over the bubbles are often left behind.
2. Protecting system entrances An entity might choose to deploy a large amount of bubbles on a gate to protect the local pve operations from intruders. The bubbles are not actively defended, and are meant to stay in space for long periods.
The Gameplay Problem of Warp Disruptors Being interrupted in travel activities by mobile warp disruptors is not fun. If the bubble is part of an active gate camp, you probably loose your ship, but that is fair game as conter play exists in the form of scouting/intel/etc. If the bubble is not part of an active camp, they are a big annoyance. It takes unnecessary time to fly out of the bubbles. Counter play exists in this situation as well, but is primarily an annoyance instead of a fun and engaging gameplay aspect.
The Solution The solution laid out by Fozzie is obvious: put a decay on the bubbles. This way both of the outlaid uses of warp disruptors are preserved, while limiting the encounters with left behind and long abandoned bubbles. However, I think the proposed decay timers are not enough. A 2 day timer on T1 bubbles is far more then necessary to support gatecamps. I think T1 and T2 bubbles should be cheap deployables for gatecamps, with a decay time similar to the average length of a gate camp. This way, the annoyance caused by landing in abandoned bubbles in busy pipes would be significantly reduced, while not impacting gatecamps negatively.
As for the second use case of bubbling the hell out of ratting pockets, a longer decay time is necessary. I think the syndicate faction bubbles should fill this use case. If you want to be safe while crabbing, you should pay up for these premium bubbles and the safety they provide.
Additionally, I do want to stress that i find the option to scoop bubbles is important. Having that one bubble you put out every time you camp and bring back home after the camp lets you grow attached to that item - definitely more fun than throwing out a new bubble each time. While scooping and redeploying bubbles would introduce the "exploit" of circumventing bubble declay, I do think there is value in this option.
Related note: The cost of syndicate bubbles is ridiculous! At the very fair price of 2k isk/lp for nullsec mission rewards we are looking at well over 100m for a faction large bubble. I think the lp store price should be reduced. |
Les Routiers
Proudly Snoring Game Of Anomalies
23
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:16:37 -
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Icarus Narcissus wrote:So, a few questions:
1) Will bubbles still be re-scoopable after deployment?
2a) If yes, will their timer reset when they are re-deployed?
2b) If no to either of the previous, will their material costs be changed in any way to account for what will be a major increase in consumption.
Answer to the first two: CCP Fozzie wrote:Scooping and re-deploying a bubble would reset the decay timer.
Answer to the other one: I hope not! And before people whine that they get less value for ISK, the answer is supply and demand. If you feel bubbles aren't good value for money, don't buy them.
If they generate killmails, decay isn't going to be so much of a problem as most roaming fleets will just clear bubble while their scouts look for real targets.
Also, @nullification. The problem with interceptors like Fozzieclaws isn't nullification, it is nullification coupled with combat capability. If combat interceptors become less powerful against ships bigger than frigates, interceptor fleets are going to lose a lot of their appeal.
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Alhira Katserna
Teutonum Confederation Evictus.
2424
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:20:05 -
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Ezio Dicostanzo wrote:bubbles should be ONE DAY MAX or ratting systems with 354537434 bubbles on the gate are still gonna be a thing :(
Fozzie, what happened to metaballs where intersecting bubbles are merged into one continuous geometry, shown during fanfest 2014 ?
A dev answered this question a few days ago on reddit. This got depraved by CCP as there were heavy performance issues with the way they tried it. It is still on their radar though. |
Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
170
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:21:32 -
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Mynxee wrote:I love the killmail generation -- not for the reasons others might, but as a way to gain insight into which of my spacekids might be doing things they shouldn't under our Credo. So...killmails for ALL the things! The decay timer is a welcome change just for helping to clear space junk. As a side note, it is great to see the positive coordination between CSM and CCP these days.
Look at Mynxee spying on the spacekids. Bubbles are just big hug blankets |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
68
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:26:13 -
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Can't say I like this change... however some suggestions:
Give a bonus to the survival time if anchored in your sov - use the ADM system we've got now, say double the length in ADM 6
Yes that means carebears have better defense, but I dont think its an unreasonable defense.
I don't like the unachour/scoop/reanchour mechanic to reset the timer - could we perhaps reset the timer via entosis? |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
432
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:36:08 -
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My only real concern about this is a faction item being a t2 and not t1.
But that is pretty minor.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2651
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:37:31 -
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Ashterothi wrote:My only real concern about this is a faction item being a t2 and not t1.
But that is pretty minor.
Better not look too closely at faction capital guns, then.
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SiXiN
Mythic Inc Demonic Wheat Pineapple
1
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:46:31 -
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I have to agree with some of the other posts here, a week is far to long. It should be something like 6 hours for a T1 and 24 hours for a T2 and something like 48 hours for a syndicate. |
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3467
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:47:35 -
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Very good changes. The times are too long imo, but you can tweak at any time.
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Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate
170
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:48:13 -
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Rainus Max wrote:Can't say I like this change... however some suggestions:
Give a bonus to the survival time if anchored in your sov - use the ADM system we've got now, say double the length in ADM 6
Yes that means carebears have better defense, but I dont think its an unreasonable defense.
I don't like the unachour/scoop/reanchour mechanic to reset the timer - could we perhaps reset the timer via entosis?
Don't forget, this is an intermediate step until these items become structures. Easy, focused tweaks to existing items. Not a full re-coding that can add a bunch of new features, that would perhaps be possible later. Decay may be one thing, but tying into ADM or entosis is something more suitable for the latter, if we want to see changes anytime soon. |
James Zealot
ALEHEADS Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:48:25 -
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SiXiN wrote:I have to agree with some of the other posts here, a week is far to long. It should be something like 6 hours for a T1 and 24 hours for a T2 and something like 48 hours for a syndicate.
I think this is where most of the community is wanting the timers. Like he said though, the initial times thrown out are preliminary and will be adjusted as they go. |
Captain Campion
Campion Corp.
40
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:48:53 -
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I think this change is good and should release in March as described.
If possible, it would be good to do something about eye cancer. |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
338
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:50:51 -
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I assume with this change, interdiction nullification will be removed too? |
Methos's Shadow
HIgh Sec Care Bears Brothers of Tangra
0
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:51:06 -
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How about you do the same for cloaking make it use fuel or have a max time on it |
Ayx Shewma
The Scope Gallente Federation
154
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:59:06 -
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Good changes. Bubble life times still seem a bit long. I'd say 12 hours on T1 and 2 days on T2. |
Doyey3731
Deaf Eaters Shadow of xXDEATHXx
67
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:59:29 -
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I'd suggest lowering the build cost for them if this is going to happen. T2 large can be pretty pricey if you're buying several, replacing them every few days will be expensive. |
Ncc 1709
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
338
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Posted - 2017.02.21 19:05:19 -
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Also thanks for adding in yet another repetitive job into the game.... |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1277
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Posted - 2017.02.21 19:06:20 -
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still insanely too long. a few hours would be a more sensible return on the investment. if they're going to last for days then they are still a no-brainer thing you have up all the time
it's good that you guys are actually thinking about this stuff though |
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