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Pride NL Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2007.04.28 04:22:00 - [31] Logging off seems to save your implants either way, not just when logging in an alt immediatly. Arrive. Raise Hell. Leave.

Kreul Intentions Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.04.28 04:53:00 - [32] Removed a few posts that were quoting the alts in this thread. Please try and remain repsectful, even in a disagreement. Thank you. forum rules \| [email protected]

Princess Voodoo Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:33:00 - [33] Originally by: Fearless Sheep Well, we just had the most unpleasant game "experience" I didnt think was possible. Kogal flying Drake jumped ot the system where I was waiting for him and shorty (while he was cloaked) 2 more guys joined me on the gate. He then uncloaked, cloaked and we rushed to uncloak him. In that moment he logged of and we tackled him. But, guess what! On half of armor his ship dissapears from the game. No, not warped out. Ofc, GM would say that logging off from game cannot be considered exploit, so this message would be primarelly for EVE community. LOG OFF while cloaked and enter game with alt!!! It will save both your ship and implants \o/ Do it AGAIN and AGAIN untill CCP finds the guts to change the exploit part of this. Thanks FATAL Alliance, The Wild Hunt Corporation, and Kogal pilot in particular for dragging this game's mechanics to the whole new level. P.S. This is not the first case of this and Im not probably the only PvPer around stroke and hell, maybe there is a tread about it, I dont know. I just want to make EVE community aware of this (once again). EPIC THREAD! And You are welcome kind Sir!
Prophet Malcalypse3 Amarr Her Golden Apple Corps	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:48:00 - [34] Originally by: Fearless Sheep Well, we just had the most unpleasant game "experience" I didnt think was possible. Kogal flying Drake jumped ot the system where I was waiting for him and shorty (while he was cloaked) 2 more guys joined me on the gate. He then uncloaked, cloaked and we rushed to uncloak him. In that moment he logged of and we tackled him. But, guess what! On half of armor his ship dissapears from the game. No, not warped out. Ofc, GM would say that logging off from game cannot be considered exploit, so this message would be primarelly for EVE community. LOG OFF while cloaked and enter game with alt!!! It will save both your ship and implants \o/ Do it AGAIN and AGAIN untill CCP finds the guts to change the exploit part of this. Thanks FATAL Alliance, The Wild Hunt Corporation, and Kogal pilot in particular for dragging this game's mechanics to the whole new level. P.S. This is not the first case of this and Im not probably the only PvPer around stroke and hell, maybe there is a tread about it, I dont know. I just want to make EVE community aware of this (once again). wait...4S corporation, and fearless sheep, are complaining about this sorta stuff...when they were the leading users of sploitz, and annoying fracking tactics like the patented 4s "dockzor undockzor redockzor repeat for hours" ? ROFL!
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:50:00 - [35] Originally by: K'Bar Originally by: Beyond Horizon Originally by: Kaar If you didnt have a bubble on him then theres nothing wrong with the mechanics. So stop posting. On a serious note: FATAL sux And yet you took time out of your busy ganking schedule to post about them. In your opinion that proves that they are good? Ye, I guess me posting on them makes them pretty uber... :D - BH
Cpt Pugwash Rubra Libertas Militia	Posted - 2007.04.28 05:59:00 - [36] Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Fearless Sheep Well, we just had the most unpleasant game "experience" I didnt think was possible. Kogal flying Drake jumped ot the system where I was waiting for him and shorty (while he was cloaked) 2 more guys joined me on the gate. He then uncloaked, cloaked and we rushed to uncloak him. In that moment he logged of and we tackled him. But, guess what! On half of armor his ship dissapears from the game. No, not warped out. Ofc, GM would say that logging off from game cannot be considered exploit, so this message would be primarelly for EVE community. LOG OFF while cloaked and enter game with alt!!! It will save both your ship and implants \o/ Do it AGAIN and AGAIN untill CCP finds the guts to change the exploit part of this. Thanks FATAL Alliance, The Wild Hunt Corporation, and Kogal pilot in particular for dragging this game's mechanics to the whole new level. P.S. This is not the first case of this and Im not probably the only PvPer around stroke and hell, maybe there is a tread about it, I dont know. I just want to make EVE community aware of this (once again). Hey Mr. Fearless (Nice name btw) Do you remember about 5 days ago when you were in Fountain around the sphinx constellation (around OWTP I think it was) were your small fleet of 25 people logged off because of the incoming Fatal gang, and you stayed logged off until your scouts could verify that yes indeed the system was clear and the Fatal fleet was gone. Well i do have respect for Morsus Mihi, but don't start preaching on these forums that Logging off is bad (which it is btw) when you and your comrades do it themselves. Nuff said lets get back to fighting. I think there is a difference to logging when in a safe spot with no aggression and logging at a gate were there are hostiles waiting for you. See if you can guess which one is considered perfectly acceptable and which CCP are wracking their brains trying to figure a way to prevent. I wouldn't expect Xelas know this considering the way they exploit the logoff mechanics. Logging off at a camped gate seems second nature as does logging in and out repeatedly to create a safespot afterwards. Movies: Make Mine a Bob Light
Nez Sewers Black Toilet.	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:10:00 - [37] Edited by: Nez Sewers on 28/04/2007 06:07:31 Originally by: Cpt Pugwash I think there is a difference to logging when in a safe spot with no aggression and logging at a gate were there are hostiles waiting for you. See if you can guess which one is considered perfectly acceptable and which CCP are wracking their brains trying to figure a way to prevent. Only difference is that it's easier to get away than with logging on the gate. Makes enemy cry since you waste his time... Fearless sheep, contracts are your friend before you quit, mmkay? --------- Darker(and more stinking) side of ...
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:31:00 - [38] Aggro after logout is the only way to fix this crap.
Princess Voodoo Gallente FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:50:00 - [39] Oh, can I have your stuff when you leave and go back to Second Life? BA DA DUM Your signature still exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Aeryn Davenport Claflin Industries	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:03:00 - [40] FYI, this doesn't work. I've tested it on the test server myself.
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:14:00 - [41] Our official stance on this is that we do not approve of logging off at a camp. Sadly trying to police individual members actions is impossible and a few will always resort to these tactics. Anyway for your sake I can only hope you never need to fight..erm some of your allies who shall remain nameless to avoid pot/kettle issues Three seperate pilots logged on me last week, did I run to post on the forums? F4T4L Recruitment
TrippyX Caldari The Syndicate Inc	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:42:00 - [42] Tested it on TQ, Character1 warp scrambled Character2. Char2 logs off and logs in Char3 that's on same account as Char2. Char1, Char2's Ship and Char3 all sitting at the same location. After 15 minutes Char2's ship disappears.
BuIIseye Amarr ROMELITE	Posted - 2007.04.28 07:50:00 - [43] Edited by: BuIIseye on 28/04/2007 07:53:04 @ Op: can i have your stuff? Seriously, some RA members and person's friendly to their alliance have been doing it for months, GM petition responce is basicly "its their in-game reputation at stake, if they want to play the game like that" I'm prety sure if you start roaming and surprise a few with fast gate camp ganks you will see alot of people using it, regardless of their alliance tag. I have missed on several raven kills because of it, ofc they are only the npc farming newbs that do it mostly so throwing s**t at their whole alliance is stupid and lame. Logging off is lame, but flaming a whole alliance for it is more lame. Nice flamebait thread thou Sig
Lenaria Caldari Draconis Navitas Aeterna	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:07:00 - [44] Originally by: TrippyX Tested it on TQ, Character1 warp scrambled Character2. Char2 logs off and logs in Char3 that's on same account as Char2. Char1, Char2's Ship and Char3 all sitting at the same location. After 15 minutes Char2's ship disappears. Ya, this myth about alt-logging live very long... it was fixed more than 2 years ago - and still many peoples believe that exploit still exist. Use your brains, peoples.
Adamus TorK HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:25:00 - [45] Originally by: Fearless Sheep I just want to make EVE community aware of this (once again). Do you remember when they logged off after pressed jump and dissapeared from both systems? oh wait... Pugwash must know that :D
Danari Amarr Exanimo Inc Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:39:00 - [46] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Fortunately CCP is making a change in the next patch that'll give you another 30 seconds to kill him. Link?
Kai page coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:42:00 - [47] Read the sig
Gunship Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:43:00 - [48] I hope CCP will fix the game too, perhaps it's a good reason to extend the logoff timer without agro for another minute or two. Would request FATAL pilots do not fall for the flamebait. Enjoy eve, you pay for it. So you want to join us?
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:51:00 - [49] Originally by: Cpt Pugwash I think there is a difference to logging when in a safe spot with no aggression and logging at a gate were there are hostiles waiting for you. See if you can guess which one is considered perfectly acceptable and which CCP are wracking their brains trying to figure a way to prevent. I wouldn't expect Xelas know this considering the way they exploit the logoff mechanics. Logging off at a camped gate seems second nature as does logging in and out repeatedly to create a safespot afterwards. Well that is your opinion, id much rather fight my way out or continue running rather than log off, especially on that day in question the fleet sizes were 'near' equal. I'm not saying that MM always engage in "We only want to gank" tactics, as i've seen them bring it to a fight when they were outnumbered, although on that day it was a very "We only wanna gank stuff, not fight". And as for Rubra Libertas Militia, yeah i've been killed by you once or twice, I didn't logoff to try and get out of it, I have on the other hand seen you guys run to a system go safe and log off ALOT. In all fairness though 90% of the time you were outnumbered, but tbh imo (and thats all it is my opinion) logging off is bad mkay. Regardless if you are friend or foe to me logging is the worst use of this game, and thats all logging off not just at gates. ------------------------------------------------------------------
BuIIseye Amarr ROMELITE	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:52:00 - [50] Edited by: BuIIseye on 28/04/2007 08:48:56 Originally by: Danari Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Fortunately CCP is making a change in the next patch that'll give you another 30 seconds to kill him. Link? http://band-of-brothers.forum.net/ingameboard.asp?a=forumchangeID=512508 /tinfoil hat on Sig
Kogal	Posted - 2007.04.28 08:53:00 - [51] Just to inform you: I didn't log in after that. It is a bild in game feature though I do not understand why it exists at all. The good news that we have the tools to alter this and other things. :) You have to convince CCP that this is not the right way it should be work. Till its happen you have to live whit it.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 09:11:00 - [52] Allow me to congratulate you for having started such a thread. I doubt I would have done it, just because of the shear amount of flames that these hypocrites throw at you. I do realise that deciding when a player has the rights to log off without aggression is a sensitive matter, but nontheless I feel that Eve is lacking strict rules in particular situations. I mean wtf, you jump through a gate and you log off while cloaked. You don't have to be a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to realise that the player didn't have the intention to log off in that place, he's just avoiding the fight. That's not a place to log off voluntarily (except for log in traps, but that a different matter). You want to log off safely (i.e. keep you ship and pod, cause this is the real point of this technique), do it somewhere safe. Period. Come on CCP, you want to make a PvP game, make it good. I'm sure your DEVs/conceptors/whatever have the intellect to realise there's a problem and propose viable solutions for it. Give players that log off near gates a 2 mins aggro timer and reset it to a 15 one if they get aggression in the meantime. Or whatever viable solution, fix it, this is broken.
JMcClane Gallente Righteous Choirboys FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 09:30:00 - [53] Been there 3 months ago... Petitioned it... It's not an exploit, sorta standard answer... Discussed it with the GM for a while, but seems they have standard answers even for that case as well... Point is... they know it's exploited, but they apologize not adressing the issue with it being 'hard to find a balance where those having real disconnects do not take a loss' ... It should be fair for everyone. Sadly, atm... it's more fair for the carebears. Perhaps (God forbid me saying this) we can learn a bit from WoW and other games with Log Out timers. Perhaps a disconnect should work as it is now, and a Ctrl Q should result in a 1 minute log out timer.. if agroed before logout -> 15 minute agro... .. Just my 5 cents. This is not the opinion of any corp, alliance, or entity, but me!
jhtgjhvfhjfg	Posted - 2007.04.28 10:11:00 - [54] Here is a good idea. Go drop a 1000 shuttles in Jita in protest. Stop crying 4S, your not welcome here!
The Dokter 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.04.28 10:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Allow me to congratulate you for having started such a thread. I doubt I would have done it, just because of the shear amount of flames that these hypocrites throw at you. I do realise that deciding when a player has the rights to log off without aggression is a sensitive matter, but nontheless I feel that Eve is lacking strict rules in particular situations. I mean wtf, you jump through a gate and you log off while cloaked. You don't have to be a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to realise that the player didn't have the intention to log off in that place, he's just avoiding the fight. That's not a place to log off voluntarily (except for log in traps, but that a different matter). You want to log off safely (i.e. keep you ship and pod, cause this is the real point of this technique), do it somewhere safe. Period. Come on CCP, you want to make a PvP game, make it good. I'm sure your DEVs/conceptors/whatever have the intellect to realise there's a problem and propose viable solutions for it. Give players that log off near gates a 2 mins aggro timer and reset it to a 15 one if they get aggression in the meantime. Or whatever viable solution, fix it, this is broken. People don't flame him because they like that people are loging off, there are flaming him because he is trying to single out an alliance over one persone doing something that allaince doesn't even agree with. I have almost never met an alliance or corp who doesn't have people doing this stupid "exploit". So I agree with you that ccp has to fix it, but I think there are more then enough threads on this forum about this problem. "It is a good idea to "shop around" before you settle on a doctor. He can kill you."
Ozzie Asrail Exploited	Posted - 2007.04.28 10:33:00 - [56] Originally by: Fearless Sheep Well, we just had the most unpleasant game "experience" I didnt think was possible. Kogal flying Drake jumped ot the system where I was waiting for him and shorty (while he was cloaked) 2 more guys joined me on the gate. He then uncloaked, cloaked and we rushed to uncloak him. In that moment he logged of and we tackled him. But, guess what! On half of armor his ship dissapears from the game. No, not warped out. Ofc, GM would say that logging off from game cannot be considered exploit, so this message would be primarelly for EVE community. LOG OFF while cloaked and enter game with alt!!! It will save both your ship and implants \o/ Do it AGAIN and AGAIN untill CCP finds the guts to change the exploit part of this. Thanks FATAL Alliance, The Wild Hunt Corporation, and Kogal pilot in particular for dragging this game's mechanics to the whole new level. P.S. This is not the first case of this and Im not probably the only PvPer around stroke and hell, maybe there is a tread about it, I dont know. I just want to make EVE community aware of this (once again). Might want to send out an allaince mail to get your own house in order first. Last night in tribute and vale. Had both a raven and a drake logoff on me, one was most def a MM tag, the raven had even the cheek to logoff in a belt when I warped in... -----
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:21:00 - [57] Last 6 months, I'm almost certain I've killed more people that were offline than online. It's really quite sad. To the OP: Your dear alliance members are reknown for logging in our bubbles in M-O and MSHD when we were up there. There was a big rejoicing on TS when the patch notes about logging in bubbles came out. :) Goons, AAA and RA are worst at it though, in my experience. - -
Aldari Verve Black Omega Security GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:39:00 - [58] Fatal, axe, xelas and the other blob entities are pretty * in fountain tbh. They use the tactic of the incompetant. Blob and then bring in your caps. Now on to the subject at hand. CCP has fixed the log off and log on your alt char ages ago. Now they also fixed the jump through and log bug where even if you are aggros the other side of the gate your aggro is clear. I haven't tested it but thats what i heard don't flame me to death. Technically it isn't a bug or exploitation but it is down right * but flying around delve, fountain and period basis you see alot of control qing, safespotting, cloaking, pos/station hugging, stab*****s so on and so forth. Unless the numbers severly outnumber yours. -Aldari
Don ZOLA Caldari TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.04.28 11:44:00 - [59] Edited by: Don ZOLA on 28/04/2007 11:58:16 Originally by: jhtgjhvfhjfg Here is a good idea. Go drop a 1000 shuttles in Jita in protest. Stop crying 4S, your not welcome here! brave boy posting with alt, grow a pair girlie....wonder how would you act irl if you dont have the guts to even post with main char in virtual game...have you ever thought what would your life look like if you tried to live it not like a coward ? or you are too scared of even thinking about that ^^? on the subject, it sucks but unfortunately its the part of the game cowards exploit...thou its stupid to globalise that for a whole alliance (if that doesnt become obvious as their tactics), as someone already said, every alliance has it own tards as much as heroes, cool ppl, etc.... also stupid to blame someone for trying to ** off enemy, when you are the first to do it with redocking actions with main aim to ** off enemies :P
Minigin Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 12:00:00 - [60] Originally by: Noluck Ned Our official stance on this is that we do not approve of logging off at a camp. Sadly trying to police individual members actions is impossible and a few will always resort to these tactics. Anyway for your sake I can only hope you never need to fight..erm some of your allies who shall remain nameless to avoid pot/kettle issues Three seperate pilots logged on me last week, did I run to post on the forums? um... yes... you are now at least... Your signature <----- My awsome Sig Real men PVP on the Forums.

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