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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.28 17:47:00 -
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Remove Asteroid Belts...
...and replace them with exploration content. This is a big deal and will not be happening in the immediate future. We know itÆs a big, sweeping change that will affect most of you in one way or another, but we think itÆs a good idea if itÆs done properly.
That's from the recent devblog. I was wondering about other pirates opinions.
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zwerg
mUfFiN fAcToRy
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.28 17:49:00 -
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crap, crap n crap, i like mining veldspar in the belts atm, if ccp removes it i will cry, and leave the game 
... eve's youngest piwat Yarrrr :)
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Ryan Darkwolf
Amarr
13th Mordu's Legionary
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Posted - 2007.04.28 18:15:00 -
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Nyck
Not Your Common Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.28 18:18:00 -
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Wait. What? Why?
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Nyck
Not Your Common Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.28 18:23:00 -
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Edited by: Nyck on 28/04/2007 18:20:46
"It will also run the risk of making NPCers and miners far less vulnerable to those wishing them harm, which from some perspectives at least is a bad thing, and something weÆll be considering carefully before implementing anything."
Wow. I don't know what to say. Is EVE becoming a non-pvp based game?
The non-consensual pvp is what draws so many here.
Perhaps I just misunderstood him/her. It's a poorly constructed sentence.
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Ezekial Crow
Gallente
Team Machine Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:16:00 -
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What he left out is that the belts will scan downed with the on-board scanner for finding the basic ones.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 28/04/2007 19:21:00
Yes but what self respecting miner will go the bog standard ones? Especially when there is safer higher reward belts in system.
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Saint Lazarus
Blood Stained Angels
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:27:00 -
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I think its a great thing if it works out well, EVERY ship will have a basic scanner capable of finding belts in each system.
It will mean miners will be alot harder find in low sec which will create a false sense of security, I have no doubts pirates will adapt and before long and find ways to find these miners before they have a chance escape, the fact the miners'll be in hidden belts means its gonna take more effort than just a glance of passin through and will hopefully encourage ALOT more traffic in low sec.
Cant wait 
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Petrothian Tong
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Lazarus
I think its a great thing if it works out well, EVERY ship will have a basic scanner capable of finding belts in each system.
It will mean miners will be alot harder find in low sec which will create a false sense of security, I have no doubts pirates will adapt and before long and find ways to find these miners before they have a chance escape, the fact the miners'll be in hidden belts means its gonna take more effort than just a glance of passin through and will hopefully encourage ALOT more traffic in low sec.
Cant wait
Bingo =P
-Siggi-
""PvP" isn't only direct person to person combat, it can be very indirect. Selling an item on the market which somebody buys from you is resulting in another guy not getting a sale." Oveur |
wictro
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Posted - 2007.04.28 19:43:00 -
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agreed, anything that makes use of the low sec is welcome.
0.0 is all taken, and can be used mostly only by joining some alliance, and empire... well we all know that.
low sec should be/remain everchanging enviroment for "normal" eve. imho, most of the area should be low sec, not no sec.
you can travel allmost safely, it's doing things that get you killed.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.28 20:07:00 -
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That could be the case. But how long is it gong to take the pirates to find these hidden belts etc. Already you only have 20 seconds to find a target before, dock, log or safespot and cloak. Without a fast way of getting to these hidden belts it just gives miners and npcers longer to spot you in local and leave.
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Cyberus
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Posted - 2007.04.28 20:28:00 -
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Comeon guys read devblog again. Belts will be still in game and you only need to find them ( easy with build in prober) well for ships its same use scaner ( dont be lazy) once some juicy barge or hulk on scaner scan for hiden belts and warp to :) ( will be difrent with high-end belts cause you will need probe launsher on board ) but it will become more chalenging :) Only one thing i hope is that they will not screw up with belts and tritanium will rich the price of 1000 isk then we can stop pirating and get back in empire to suck some rocks :(
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Nidus
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.28 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Nidus on 28/04/2007 20:55:28
I also recomend reading the replies in the feedback thread, most noticeably:
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
Originally by: Tempest Kane
I mean seriously, are you trying to KILL the small roaming gang?
If we can no longer go out with a dictor an a few ceptors, use our talent to scan down the system for people in belts within 20 seconds of been in the system and take them out, the roaming gang is done for.
Your forcing us into a box were our only major pvp option is the Blob, something you have assured us you are trying to combat.
Take a step back and look at world of w. And see how they messed up their game and then look at what your doing, and re-think it.
PVP is the heart of this game, it drives the econemy and your doing yet another step in the direction of online monopoly and blob lag warfair.
As I said in the blog, we're aware that this is a possible outcome if we're not careful, and that we will think very long and very hard about approving a design which leads to this situation, up to and including potentially canning the idea if we can't come up with a solution.
This is in fact one of the things I'm really hoping to get some good feedback about in this thread. I'm listening, talk to me!
My take is that the ideal situation would be one in which small PvP gangs can actually go out and find other small PvP gangs to engage rather than being reduced to just hunting NPCers - more challenge, more adrenaline, more fun. How we get there, I'm not sure yet, but if we can increase the number of small PvP gangs roaming around at any given time I'm hopeful that this will reduce the reliance on hunting NPCers for small gangs, which will in turn make this a less pressing issue and make the design for this change easier.
I do however fully realise that we need to ensure that small gangs can still effectively curtail their targets' money-making activities, which just scaring people into logging off for ten minutes won't do. Again, let me know what you think!
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Originally by: Velsharoon
Im a pirate who lives in 0.0. Sure small gang pvp is great and all but I actually make a living through my piracy, I need to be able to hit npcers.
Good point, and one that I hadn't considered. (And this is why we're talking about this now, when the idea's still in its infancy.) That bumps the need for NPCers to be easily findable back up the priority list again.
All in all I think it is too early for pirates and other low security dwellers to pass judgment on these changes as they are just ideas and vague plans at the moment. That being said; voice your concerns and ideas in a constructive manner and hopefully they will be heard and taken into consideration.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.28 21:30:00 -
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I agree about passing judgment, but talking about them is the only way to think up good/better ideas to improve theirs. This will concern pirates majorly and not all pirates read the devblogs/comments so this is the est place for us to discuss it. 0.0 and low sec pirates.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.28 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Quote:
Remove Asteroid Belts...
...and replace them with exploration content. This is a big deal and will not be happening in the immediate future. We know itÆs a big, sweeping change that will affect most of you in one way or another, but we think itÆs a good idea if itÆs done properly.
That's from the recent devblog. I was wondering about other pirates opinions.
******* aweful idea, imo.
-Karl
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.04.28 22:34:00 -
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A miner just needs to scan 1 belt to mine in it. A pirate entering the system would need to find and scan the belt the miner is in 
Eve would probably become a bookmark fest like pre-kali... camp a system and scan everything , bookmark each belt , wait until a miner scans one , warp to it. Boring !
Scanning mission runners is tedious enough as is...
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Aakron
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.28 23:06:00 -
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Diversification between systems is great, rather than boring right click warp to belt I see no reason to have to learn to master the scanner, perhaps this additional effort will merit higher payoffs for lowsec and 0.0 belt ore and npcs.
However if this enables a ratter or miner to gain additional time to notice an intrusion into local and safespot/cloak, I think there will be a big problem...PVP doesnt need nerfing.
Remove local with this change so that all pilots have to work to see if there are hostiles around and have to make the effort to stay safe/hunt targets respectively.
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Lucifer Fellblade
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.04.28 23:16:00 -
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The only thing I can see this doing is just making more and more gate camps.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but that's what it'll do, those who bother to spend time scouring belts in all systems will get even more bored looking for targets you don't even know are there.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.04.29 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Stakhanov
A miner just needs to scan 1 belt to mine in it. A pirate entering the system would need to find and scan the belt the miner is in
Eve would probably become a bookmark fest like pre-kali... camp a system and scan everything , bookmark each belt , wait until a miner scans one , warp to it. Boring !
Scanning mission runners is tedious enough as is...
Well, maybe the belts will not respawn in the same places. If so, that's a good thing.
It will make macromining impossible.
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Benglada
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.29 00:43:00 -
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local nerf far overdue.
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Originally by: Arkanor
0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
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LittleTerror
Caldari
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.04.29 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
local nerf far overdue.
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drako markam
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.04.29 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Benglada
local nerf far overdue.
ya if they make local so you only show up if you talk in local chat or make local have some kind of delay before it shows ppl entering the system.
a day without blood is like a day without sunshine
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Muhaar Gemeinian
Armee der Finsternis
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Posted - 2007.04.29 12:34:00 -
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Might be good, might be bad for piracy. Only time will tell.
Armee der Finsternis rekrutiert
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Carniflex
Caldari
Fallout Research
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.04.29 13:08:00 -
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It depends ofcource on implemention of systems, but if all else fails (like if scanning out belts takes long time) it's propably still possible to just probe out those ships with regular probes. Granted, it takes damn good skills to do it so fast that local miners wont get restless (assuming local remains).
Depending on implemention it might also screw a little 0.0 NPC hunting, but it's unlikely that it would be implemented in a way that would lower 0.0 isk/h considerably. If it would people would move to just run missions instead of scanning 2 minutes for a belt in hope there is NPC in it.
In my opinion CCP would most likely tweak a bit local also so keeping yourself safe would be more up to paying attention to your enviroment and scanners than just keeping one eye on local and running if you see red/neutral flash in there. Why I think that is, that they tend to balance things quite reasonably usually and seem to think piracy as viable career path. Most likely it's intended as lure for people to move into low sec with feeling of moderate security. If more people move to low sec and it gets a little harder to find them then active pirate should be still able to find roughly same number of targets there than he used to.
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.29 13:25:00 -
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Exploration sites? Now people will be forced to learn cov ops skills just in order to make profit?
Taking down profit amounts while market is growing and prices fluctating isnt a good idea. People will rather make traders and fluctate market even more since I cant see myself training ships and skills I dont need just to make isk and do what I want wich is pvping.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2007.04.30 01:32:00 -
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Imho removing belts is a big no-no unless it goes hand in hand with the removal of local.
Lets take belt piracy in 0.0 or anywhere really, even if you know exactly where to look like it is now most targets will already be warped off to station/pos when you arrive in the right belt.
With removal of belts miners and ratters are practically invulnerable unless they go afk in the hidden belt for quite some time.
This would be simply unbalanced in regard to the risk vs reward rule that is so important in eve.
A solution would be to make a found belt visible on overview for everybody entering the system or already in the system once somebody finds it the first time and flys into it.
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snaike
Advocates
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Posted - 2007.04.30 02:00:00 -
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It looks like the main thing pirates and pvpers are worried about is the extension on the time it will take to find a target, meaning the would-be prey has more time to spot them in local. I agree, this is a major problem, but one that has quite a simple solution.
Nerf Local.
People have been wanting some sort of local nerf for months (if not years) now, this could be the way to introduce it. There are various ways it could be done, the simplest probably being you don't show up in the local chat window unless you speak, ofc this is also up for discussion.
If somthing like this were introduced, it would introduce a new tactical element to lowsec ( and all of space ). Miners and ncers would have to keep a constant check on their scanner, and pirates and other pvpers could use the element of suprise and whatnot.
Anyways, I'm too tired nd laptop keyboards are too fiddly for me to keep going on, but i think you guys know what I'm getting at here. Feel free to rip the idea to shreds, but I honestly think it would be the best solution if CCP is really set on introducing this new content.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente
Edenist II
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Posted - 2007.04.30 07:53:00 -
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How is making astroids harder to find, which means more interaction, which means you will kill your mining macros.
I don't see the bad side, you can adapt PvP think of this as a way to kill the minning macro.
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence
Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.04.30 09:18:00 -
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Local should be changed to constellation chat, if not, and we wont be able to see anything at all, that will promote blobs and cloakers to a new higher level.
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deathforge
The Accursed
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Posted - 2007.04.30 09:39:00 -
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1) Read the actual devblog, not just the part the OP quoted to make it sound omgevil
2) Pull your head out of your ass
3) Realize that belt piracy will be largely unchanged
4) Get drunk and pod a miner
And by the way, I rule you.
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