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fritzzie fritzzie's not here 1	Posted - 2017.03.03 03:30:40 - [1] - Quote simple thought, adding an option to your buy and sell transactions, to only buy and sell to people with standing you choose. a way to end some of the high sec issues from ganking and wardecs. people will change on their oan if they can no longer buy ships, ammo, and modules from the people they have bad standing with. and if they cant sell the stuff they stole from gate camps and hicg sec ganks.
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2613	Posted - 2017.03.03 03:35:06 - [2] - Quote I'm not sure your "simple" idea is so simple. also what prevents people from taking their ill gotten loot and transferring it to a neutral alt, or using that alt for purchasing? Seems to me that the best case scenario is a mild inconvenience. If you want to deal only with people you like well, there are private contracts just for that. @ChainsawPlankto
Pix Severus Empty You 6048	Posted - 2017.03.03 03:40:04 - [3] - Quote I support this, I'll happily sell to those you won't. MTU Hunter: Latest Entry - Dec 28 2016 - Vocal Local 4 MTU Hunting 101: Comprehensive Guide
fritzzie fritzzie's not here 1	Posted - 2017.03.03 03:41:59 - [4] - Quote there are always ways around everything there is no quick fixes. but if some things are to inconvenient it's not worth doing. it's just getting alot harder in this game for people who like the other aspects of the game, like mining, mission running, and building. not trying to wreck others gaming experience
Soel Reit Dambusters 617 Sq 434	Posted - 2017.03.03 03:43:23 - [5] - Quote poor wardeckers and gankers! they have families too! how can you deny them some rice not wanting to trading with them you're a monster!!!
hmu-smh Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2017.03.03 04:05:35 - [6] - Quote Yes because alts are so hard to create in this game. Man I swear some people IQ is lower than what my brains can comprehend.
Dark Lord Trump Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde 379	Posted - 2017.03.03 04:14:11 - [7] - Quote This seems like a lot of programming time for something that won't have much of an effect. My Jita alt isn't in corp, so anyone who hates Horde with a vengeance will still be selling to me. I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 247	Posted - 2017.03.03 04:18:02 - [8] - Quote Why do you hate isk? I will gladly take it from you if you hate it so much.
fritzzie fritzzie's not here 1	Posted - 2017.03.03 04:18:52 - [9] - Quote hmu-smh wrote: Yes because alts are so hard to create in this game. Man I swear some people IQ is lower than what my brains can comprehend. really, are you that narrow minded you can only see your point of view, people make alts all the time for many reasons, it does not mater, you cant see the point of a 100 man or more corp not selling to people there at war with, supply is half the game, if you have to do all your buying with an alt and fighting with another, i was thinking of a creative way to apply more control from the supply side. an option for others. or you can go back to your insults if it makes you feel better.
hmu-smh Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 24	Posted - 2017.03.03 04:43:09 - [10] - Quote fritzzie wrote: hmu-smh wrote: Yes because alts are so hard to create in this game. Man I swear some people IQ is lower than what my brains can comprehend. i was thinking Right, thats the problem ..
Chainsaw Plankton FaDoyToy 2614	Posted - 2017.03.03 04:57:29 - [11] - Quote fritzzie wrote: there are always ways around everything there is no quick fixes. but if some things are to inconvenient it's not worth doing. it's just getting alot harder in this game for people who like the other aspects of the game, like mining, mission running, and building. not trying to wreck others gaming experience I'm a high volume forum poster that regularly shares fits and tactics for mission running, yet no one ganks me, no one war decs me, no one tries to ninja salvage me, no one tries to disrupt my LP markets, or seems to bother me in any way that I've noticed. I'm also an active trader and builder. I'm very much in the group you are describing, and imo it is probably the easiest it has ever been. The reason why no one bothers to bother me as far as I can tell is that I let people know I don't care if they do these things. If someone ganked me I'd probably send them a mail saying congrats on being the first. It also helps I keep my fits to be of a low enough value that it just isn't worth their time to come gank me. Also I can run all my business ventures from a station with the use of courier contracts so I really don't care if I get wardec'd. @ChainsawPlankto
Syds Sinclair Aliastra Gallente Federation 276	Posted - 2017.03.03 05:17:50 - [12] - Quote ..The problem is you thinking the activities you described should be safe. They should not be safe. Nothing in Eve is safe. Secondly, you do realize the other side of your "supply" coin is demand. If nothing blows up, no one buys new products. GÖá Sinclair Consulting GÖá
fritzzie fritzzie's not here 2	Posted - 2017.03.03 06:14:41 - [13] - Quote i don't care abut loosing stuff, it's only stuff. i was thinking of raising the importance of the builders and miners, just a new aspect where the small corps and the larger corps can make a difference without relying on combat, some people like to pvp, that's fine, some enjoy high-sec ganks, that's cool too, it is a group activity, the game is meant to be played many ways, i just see the value in this idea... would just add a new strategy is all i was thinking.
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 248	Posted - 2017.03.03 06:38:49 - [14] - Quote All you are doing is making sure that someone else gets rhe profits. You are not going to be the sole provider of a product. Especially not at a major trade hub. So the person is still going to get what they need and all you have done is made sure that you get absolutely nothing out of it. Sure, it might work if say EVERY person in eve who builds all sells let's say catalysts set it so that they wouldn't sell to code. But all it would take is for a single person to break that embargo for it to be made completely worthless. And there would be a big incentive for them to do that because that one person would have just become the sole supplier. It's a poorly thought out idea that no one in their right mind would ever use. And so there is no reason to waste any more time on it.
Torin Corax Game of Roams 248	Posted - 2017.03.03 08:30:41 - [15] - Quote fritzzie wrote: i don't care abut loosing stuff, it's only stuff. i was thinking of raising the importance of the builders and miners, just a new aspect where the small corps and the larger corps can make a difference without relying on combat, some people like to pvp, that's fine, some enjoy high-sec ganks, that's cool too, it is a group activity, the game is meant to be played many ways, i just see the value in this idea... would just add a new strategy is all i was thinking. I know a few "hardcore" builders and miners, people whom have no interest in PvP (of the explosive kind) whatsoever....They wouldn't touch this idea with a ten foot pole. They take selling stuff seriously. They sell to whoever is willing to pay. I honestly wonder who in their right mind would use such a mechanic? I very much doubt there would be enough takers to justify the development time tbh.
Do Little Virgin Plc Evictus. 844	Posted - 2017.03.03 09:28:53 - [16] - Quote As an industrial player, I recognize the need for risk in a player run economy. Wardecs and gankers are problems to be solved by players - not CCP. If I take an unreasonable risk and get blown up - it's my fault (and it has happened). I move billions of ISK worth of product around New Eden every week, including Nullsec, and have learned how to do it safely. Not 100% safely - I build an occasional loss into my business plan, but safe enough that most of the risk premium the market allows me to charge ends up in my pocket. I am perfectly happy to sell Catalysts to CODE. knowing that I may someday be killed by a ship that I built. At least I made a profit on that ship and, if I hadn't sold it to them someone else would.
Hakawai State War Academy Caldari State 74	Posted - 2017.03.03 10:34:50 - [17] - Quote fritzzie wrote: simple thought, adding an option to your buy and sell transactions, to only buy and sell to people with standing you choose. a way to end some of the high sec issues from ganking and wardecs. people will change on their oan if they can no longer buy ships, ammo, and modules from the people they have bad standing with. and if they cant sell the stuff they stole from gate camps and hicg sec ganks. I think that, assuming it was well implemented, this would be very interesting. It doesn't matter that it can be bypassed - that's just an example of BAU "EVE anti-logic": for some reason we have a game with an average age wikipedia claims is over 30, yet a collective belief that "if it's not perfect it's useless" is a sane argument ... ... or maybe they're not irrational at all, but forum-saboteurs using "dirty tricks" in an attempt to shut down a discussion that doesn't suit them. Of course people would prefer not to sell war materiel to their enemies, and should be able to make that choice. This reflects RL practice reasonably well. Similarly, in EVE as in RL, there will be individuals or organizations that sell to both sides, and individuals who are formally aligned with one group, but are prepared to sell to their enemies. And since it's always possible for a powerful "combat-biased" Corp to align with, or build internally, an effective manufacturing organization, there's no chance it leads to the "merchant princes" shutting down PvP in EVE. It does, however, have the possibility of simulating (to some extent) interesting real-world interactions between economics and military power. Anyone who cares could take a look on wikipedia at the history of the Hanseatic League to get a feel for one side of that interaction. It's up to CCP to decide if t would be difficult or expensive to implement, not a player. Back in Real Life, you start by doing lightweight assessments of everything - the idea, its possible benefits, technical costs, marketing implications, etc - then you have enough information to decide on whether to do a serious "feasibility study" or not. Nobody serious in IT gives the "code-monkeys" an early veto on new features - it's guaranteed commercial suicide.
Lan Wang Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out 3987	Posted - 2017.03.03 10:41:49 - [18] - Quote fritzzie wrote: not trying to wreck others gaming experience yes you are, you even said it in your op who let Hakawai out of the box? Alliance Logo Design Service -- Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel -- "Okay. So that was a pile of word salad..." - Bjorn Tyrson
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 3198	Posted - 2017.03.03 10:46:50 - [19] - Quote You can already do this. Set up a structure with a market module and use the access list to allow only people you want to trade at your citadel. The 8 Golden Rules of Eve Why Do They Gank?
Hakawai State War Academy Caldari State 75	Posted - 2017.03.03 11:14:13 - [20] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: fritzzie wrote: not trying to wreck others gaming experience yes you are, you even said it in your op who let Hakawai out of the box? Another stalker from the 0.5-0.4 Gate Camp thread? I can't remember who actually participated in the "nitwits knitting circle" towards the end of that thread, and now I wish you'd identify yourselves as you follow me around the forum. I'd put a moderate amount of effort into criticizing a certain EVE player mindset and the associated behavior, then as the thread was winding down a bunch of a such people started posting about how they disagreed with me /lol. You'd have to be fighting a drone or two short of a full flight to imagine I'd give the stellar extremity of a coronal mess ejection for the opinions of such people. Here's a suggestion so I can remember who you all are: Create alts named after EVE ore types, give the characters appearances that would match the ore type and the rage-attenuated mental acuity consistent with your behavior, and create and join a Corp called something like "Jetcan of Ore". It would help me identify your posts, and would almost certainly be the nearest you ever got to matching your EVE and RL personas.
Marcus Binchiette Federal Vanguard 85	Posted - 2017.03.03 11:16:27 - [21] - Quote Nice idea, and yes it is needed. But your concept wont actually fix the problem. It is easy enough for pirate/ganker/enemy characters to simply transfer their goods to a neutral or NPC corp character. Or to make their purchases using the same. With the multiple character system there is no way of really knowing who you are trading with. I still agree that it is needed. The system as it currently stands does not punish pirates and thieves, and doesn't force them to live with the consequences of their actions. Market manipulation and control of supply is one of the few weapons high sec status industrialists have for combatting this - and we can't even do that.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1323	Posted - 2017.03.03 11:25:46 - [22] - Quote The person who supplies guns and bullets, beans and biscuits is the winner in a war, any war, every war. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.
Acher0n Hades Ze One Man Show 2	Posted - 2017.03.03 11:48:17 - [23] - Quote I can understand that you don't want to sell to or buy from the same player organisations that just ganked you. But "only selling to blues" would make the "blue donut" alliances even richer and would make you think twice about reseting former allies. Beeing a small "we against everyone else" alliance would be harder if not impossible - or at least require much more hassle and alts. An "ore shopping alt" in Karmafleet.. is that the way you want to go?
Wolfgang Jannesen The Evesploratory Society 84	Posted - 2017.03.03 13:32:46 - [24] - Quote Hoping in to say this is a terrible idea that doesn't bring any benefits to anybody.
mkint 1521	Posted - 2017.03.03 13:45:58 - [25] - Quote I see what you're going for here... if an organization wants to hassle producers, there should be consequences, as right now there really isn't. It's even an interesting theoretical approach... if someone wants to hassle producers it should be harder for them to acquire stuff produced. As has been pointed out though, in the practical world (as opposed to the theoretical world) things aren't so simple. Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
MadMuppet A Better Corp Name 1256	Posted - 2017.03.03 21:54:03 - [26] - Quote This option already exists, in a matter of speaking, with Citadel Markets. Since you can control the access to the station, you have some control over who buys stuff, or at least you can make it harder for them to buy stuff. In reality it is a joke since anybody and just use an alt to get around it. This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.
Gwenaelle de Ardevon Ordum Eternam 5734	Posted - 2017.03.03 22:07:05 - [27] - Quote Torin Corax wrote: fritzzie wrote: i don't care abut loosing stuff, it's only stuff. i was thinking of raising the importance of the builders and miners, just a new aspect where the small corps and the larger corps can make a difference without relying on combat, some people like to pvp, that's fine, some enjoy high-sec ganks, that's cool too, it is a group activity, the game is meant to be played many ways, i just see the value in this idea... would just add a new strategy is all i was thinking. I know a few "hardcore" builders and miners, people whom have no interest in PvP (of the explosive kind) whatsoever....They wouldn't touch this idea with a ten foot pole. They take selling stuff seriously. They sell to whoever is willing to pay. I honestly wonder who in their right mind would use such a mechanic? I very much doubt there would be enough takers to justify the development time tbh. I'm an honest warmonger, my traders are allowed to deal with everyone... Sorry, but alot of hungry jerks at home «An hour sitting with a pretty girl on a park bench passes like a minute, but a minute sitting on a hot stove seems like an hour». Albert Einstein - [11, S. 154] More Quotes, Poetry & Prose on: https://gwenaelledeardevon.wordpress.com/
DeMichael Crimson Republic University Minmatar Republic 59715	Posted - 2017.03.03 22:27:24 - [28] - Quote Gotta say I like the idea and wish it could work. Unfortunately this game is Alts Online. DMC 'The Plan' \| California Eve Players \| Proposal - The Endless Battle
Bjorn Tyrson EVE University Ivy League 253	Posted - 2017.03.03 22:52:25 - [29] - Quote There is already an easy way IG to make sure you don't sell things to your enemies.... don't sell the ships and mods they tend to use and problem solved. Required zero extra coding or work. And unlike your plan there is also zero way for then to bypass it through the use of an alt. And it would be exactly as effective as this suggestion because they will simply buy the ship from someone else.
Eternus8lux8lucis Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM 1330	Posted - 2017.03.04 00:15:23 - [30] - Quote DeMichael Crimson wrote: Gotta say I like the idea and wish it could work. Unfortunately this game is Alts Online. DMC This ironically is the counter to a LOT of normal sensical game play changes. The ability for alts to simply wipe it clean is kinda annoying but also an intriguing portion of the game. TBH this is a really good topic and ideology to study as it mimics the ability to hide, chameleon style, by human beings in normal human interactions. Something humans cannot do on a physical level but something that they do on a virtual level which mimics the hiding we normally do in our minds; the idea of internalization of voice as a child is the initial hiding aspect for people. This aspect is actually brought to life in MMOs where alts can be attained and utilized as a way of escaping the consequences of ordinary everyday action and consequences. It makes for an intriguing social theory study. Have you heard anything I've said? You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? That's right. Had to end sometime.

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