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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:22:25 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:CCP isn't going to pursue any legal actions over a CSM NDA breach because it would be way more hassle than it's worth, but they won't leave it unpunished either. They take appropriate measures, which means EVE-related actions (i.e. in the form of bans).
Breach of NDA is an IRL legal issue. CCP knows the identity of CSMs. CSMs are not just players, they are real persons entrusted with company sensitive data, and bound to not share it or profit from it.
If its true that a CSM has leaked/profited from privileged NDA bound information, it also puts the CSM project in jeopardy. (Not like its the first time...)
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Alderson Point
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:22:27 -
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Well, what happens in the real world when insider trading has had a Major impact on the value of a commodity or stock?
If it is true, CCP should freeze the market in plex, announce a massive, if not the biggest plex sale in history! Change their mind on wiping out all the small players Aurum, let it flood into destabilise the market and after a week and afterCancelling all buy and sell orders, allow the market to refloat!
No tears will be shed for the corrupt, who lose their shirts over this. |
Veine Miromme
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:22:45 -
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Are they deleting Aurum from the game or do I have to read the 17 100 pages. That is way more than 1 or 2 pages , 4 pages or 10 pages.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:30:27 -
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Veine Miromme wrote:Are they deleting Aurum from the game or do I have to read the 17 100 pages. That is way more than 1 or 2 pages , 4 pages or 10 pages. You might try reading the Blog. It's far less than a page.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3218
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Posted - 2017.03.17 15:58:09 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Linus Gorp wrote:CCP isn't going to pursue any legal actions over a CSM NDA breach because it would be way more hassle than it's worth, but they won't leave it unpunished either. They take appropriate measures, which means EVE-related actions (i.e. in the form of bans). Breach of NDA is an IRL legal issue. CCP knows the identity of CSMs. CSMs are not just players, they are real persons entrusted with company sensitive data, and bound to not share it or profit from it. If its true that a CSM has leaked/profited from privileged NDA bound information, it also puts the CSM project in jeopardy. (Not like its the first time...)
I just don't know if CCP is willing to make any real bans if someone is found guilty of breaching the NDA. The last time CCP did something about it, it was when they banned someone from being on the CSM. Essentially, this mean you could in theory always get leaks for your alliance if you ahve a big enough voting block to put a new guy in every years. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
530
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:03:12 -
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someone told CCP to burn all their financial aurum documents.
the CSM water-cooler vault said they had seen smoke coming out the top of the building in Iceland and some how fozzie was dancing in his underwear around a large fiyaaaah.
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Veine Miromme
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:12:33 -
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Quote:... The New New Eden Store With a much smaller PLEX, we can easily set up the New Eden Store catalog in PLEX prices rather than Aurum and let you use PLEX from your vault to buy things there. The coexistence of PLEX and Aurum has always been a heavy burden on anyone who wanted to buy something from CCP. Whether you just wanted a SKIN or you wanted to buy the smartest item to trade with other players to get ISK, you had some math to do. With Aurum out of the picture and PLEX taking over in the NES, buying should be much less confusing.
What about Aurum? Aurum had its run but we are excited to move forward with PLEX only.
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Quote:The coexistence of PLEX and Aurum has always been a heavy burden on anyone who wanted to buy something from CCP.
I disagree.
I have a few pilots to login with perhaps a small amount of Aurum. How can I verify their Aurum amount? Do I have to activate the pilot? Or the storage data will simply be freed for newer, perhaps friendly pilots, from this forfeiture.? (the last question looks like a question, but it's only a question in tone, not in essence. I don't use Aurum for fuel.)
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
57
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:16:53 -
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I don't get why people believe this is some sort of conspiracy.
Here's the price of plex over the last year in the Forge.
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/link/10000002/29668
The only real oddity is how flat plex prices were since December. No offense... but this looks pretty normal. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2931
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:18:35 -
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Girka Kring wrote:Recently PLEX prices went up by 20%.
And PLEX volume didn't change at all from the normal pattern until the day the announcement was made. That tells us the pressure on PLEX prices doesn't come from demand (from someone buying them up, as you claim) but from supply. People are apparently not buying quite as many from CCP. It only takes a small change in that number, over time, to start sending prices upward.
Your conspiracy theory is founded on a complete lack of understanding of basic economics. I'm not surprised you created a new alt to post this nonsense.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:23:24 -
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I am curoius how fluidity will effect the price and speed of price changes.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1692
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:36:24 -
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It's funny how some people are already starting a lynch mob. It's certainly possible that one or more CSM members have relayed some insider info they shouldn't have, but it's also quite possible they haven't. So far we do not know if any insider trading has happened or if the CSM was involved, so I suggest to not talk of a "insider trading fiasco" and lynch the CSM just yet. We should let IA figure this out first before we jump to conclusions and randomly blame people without any solid information on the matter. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
157
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:37:03 -
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mkint wrote:Kalemi wrote:If there's any foul play there should be a pretty easy to follow paper trail. The questions are 1) If CCP would actually admit to it, 2) what kind of punishment should be passed out. 1) CCP has reason to keep it under wraps, as discrediting the CSM would be bad publicity. As far as I can tell, it sounds like most of the devs don't particularly like the CSM anyway and every CSM basically has to start over every year. This might just neuter the CSM, especially since all the influence they might have is pretty unofficial anyway. 2) a 20% price jump in this kind of price-vs-volume item wouldn't be easy for just 1 person to manipulate. They would have to involve an alliance financing it. So who gets punished? If the CSM member didn't care anyway and was just trolling before quitting the game, there isn't really any way to punish them. So, how far down the hill does the sh*t roll? On the other hand, if it was a CCPer, would we even hear about it? They might be able to hide their involvement better, and there might be even MORE incentive to keep it under wraps. Unless there's some public confession by the perpetrator (assuming it was an employee), we'll probably never even hear about it. The big thing that concerns me about this conspiracy is the trade volume. Even though the price jump was big, the volume stayed pretty normal, though I'm not good enough with these kinds of graphs to know if that would still be within the expected behavior in the case of a leak. CCP would never own up to it. They have gotten unbelievably greedy. |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
530
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:40:36 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:mkint wrote:Kalemi wrote:If there's any foul play there should be a pretty easy to follow paper trail. The questions are 1) If CCP would actually admit to it, 2) what kind of punishment should be passed out. 1) CCP has reason to keep it under wraps, as discrediting the CSM would be bad publicity. As far as I can tell, it sounds like most of the devs don't particularly like the CSM anyway and every CSM basically has to start over every year. This might just neuter the CSM, especially since all the influence they might have is pretty unofficial anyway. 2) a 20% price jump in this kind of price-vs-volume item wouldn't be easy for just 1 person to manipulate. They would have to involve an alliance financing it. So who gets punished? If the CSM member didn't care anyway and was just trolling before quitting the game, there isn't really any way to punish them. So, how far down the hill does the sh*t roll? On the other hand, if it was a CCPer, would we even hear about it? They might be able to hide their involvement better, and there might be even MORE incentive to keep it under wraps. Unless there's some public confession by the perpetrator (assuming it was an employee), we'll probably never even hear about it. The big thing that concerns me about this conspiracy is the trade volume. Even though the price jump was big, the volume stayed pretty normal, though I'm not good enough with these kinds of graphs to know if that would still be within the expected behavior in the case of a leak. CCP would never own up to it. They have gotten unbelievably greedy.
they cant be too greedy if they're begging for people to pay to play the game. F2P has failed |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
158
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:52:00 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:mkint wrote:Kalemi wrote:If there's any foul play there should be a pretty easy to follow paper trail. The questions are 1) If CCP would actually admit to it, 2) what kind of punishment should be passed out. 1) CCP has reason to keep it under wraps, as discrediting the CSM would be bad publicity. As far as I can tell, it sounds like most of the devs don't particularly like the CSM anyway and every CSM basically has to start over every year. This might just neuter the CSM, especially since all the influence they might have is pretty unofficial anyway. 2) a 20% price jump in this kind of price-vs-volume item wouldn't be easy for just 1 person to manipulate. They would have to involve an alliance financing it. So who gets punished? If the CSM member didn't care anyway and was just trolling before quitting the game, there isn't really any way to punish them. So, how far down the hill does the sh*t roll? On the other hand, if it was a CCPer, would we even hear about it? They might be able to hide their involvement better, and there might be even MORE incentive to keep it under wraps. Unless there's some public confession by the perpetrator (assuming it was an employee), we'll probably never even hear about it. The big thing that concerns me about this conspiracy is the trade volume. Even though the price jump was big, the volume stayed pretty normal, though I'm not good enough with these kinds of graphs to know if that would still be within the expected behavior in the case of a leak. CCP would never own up to it. They have gotten unbelievably greedy. they cant be too greedy if they're begging for people to pay to play the game. F2P has failed They have to beg people to play the game BECAUSE they are greedy. They have been so focused on using eves profits to create failed games and create more micro transactions that now eve has nothing to show for itself. |
Veine Miromme
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2017.03.17 16:53:54 -
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for the record all it takes for PLEX prices to go up is for the players to set the price of them up
they can set the price of the sale value up and they can set the price of the buy value up this can be done in the place order interface system
they can also buy plex up, while their value is up , to validate the increase up value of the plex value for sale
they can also sell plex up, if a player wants to buy them, which , after he buys them increase the up value of the plex.
2. CCPs has similar parts than other system however, due to their unique nature it requires a defined armount of integration from other systems to work on their system and with their system
one simply cannot expect to make suggestion or suggestions hoping that it will work exactly as they mentioned without verifying the facts. fact-finding tools are important for such design or suggestions to omit the results from those facts for future implementation of design may lead to similar results where new data need to be analysed from survey because the previous facts were not included in the design / analysis and it may take more resources to get accurate data.
(as the system grows and expand, so will the ... not finished)
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Zanthar Eos
Collapsed Out Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2017.03.17 17:12:40 -
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Baseless claims are my favorite way to ruin things in the game! |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
574
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Posted - 2017.03.17 17:16:32 -
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Zanthar Eos wrote:Baseless claims are my favorite way to ruin things in the game!
no m8, ccp is already ruining it. we just help it |
Janeos
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2017.03.17 17:18:20 -
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They need to add a tinfoil hat to the nuPLEX store. |
Grognard Commissar
Splinter Cell Operations inPanic
26
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Posted - 2017.03.17 17:23:53 -
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zomg, insider trading! |
Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
945
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Posted - 2017.03.17 17:42:56 -
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Arrendis wrote:Girka Kring wrote:Recently PLEX prices went up by 20%. And PLEX volume didn't change at all from the normal pattern until the day the announcement was made. That tells us the pressure on PLEX prices doesn't come from demand (from someone buying them up, as you claim) but from supply. People are apparently not buying quite as many from CCP. It only takes a small change in that number, over time, to start sending prices upward. Your conspiracy theory is founded on a complete lack of understanding of basic economics. I'm not surprised you created a new alt to post this nonsense.
PLEX are already spread thin....it would a change of about 5% in supply to make the price go crazy.
The OP didnt explain why extractors also rose at the same time while injectors crashed either. Or how it all tied into the Rorqual changes which hit on the same day.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2017.03.17 17:48:24 -
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Janeos wrote:They need to add a tinfoil hat to the nuPLEX store. I'd buy that for a dollar!
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Romulus XII
Syndicate Enterprise Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:09:45 -
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First, correlation does not mean causation.
Second, although the price did increase, the volume didn't. One explanation could be that this is a supply side story (sellers) not demand (buyers). In other words, it wasn't mass buying that sparked the price increase but a weaker PLEX supply.
Regarding leaks in general, do they happen? Yes. Is the PLEX price increase caused by a leak? The graphs you linked aren't proof of it. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:15:53 -
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The circumstances are suspicious and severe enough to warrant investigation.
Furthermore, the AURUM wipe and PLEX fracturing in and of itself, is bizarre.
Why is that even happening?
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Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.17 19:37:39 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:The circumstances are suspicious and severe enough to warrant investigation.
Furthermore, the AURUM wipe and PLEX fracturing in and of itself, is bizarre.
Why is that even happening?
Why? Because it was confusing and redundant to have 2 forms of virtual currency that both cost money. Why not reduce this by making one currency?
Once you decide to make one currency, which do you keep? The more recognized one which is PLEX. Now you can't make every bit of apparel cost 1 PLEX or people would go crazy. Nor would you create a system that start a with fractions of a PLEX. So you make your PLEX into a larger unit which can be subdivided.
Makes sense to me. It makes even more sense of Nova/Dust come back with a better connected market. (aurum in dust was not the same as EVE which was a pain). |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
60111
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Posted - 2017.03.17 20:27:54 -
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I still don't understand why the OP thinks the CSM is behind this insider PLEX trading conspiracy.
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Girka Kring
Republic University Minmatar Republic
70
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Posted - 2017.03.17 20:29:02 -
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I've noticed that a lot of ppl are concerned with lack of change in PLEX volume over those 2 weeks that would correspond with the change in price. Therefore they come to a conclusion that the supply was lower and that caused the price increase.
It's funny cause every time they quote "economics 101" they kinda show that they have no idea what they are talking about. First check some basic supply & demand graphs. If the supply was lower, as you suggest, the prices would go higher but the volume wouldn't stay the same, it would decrease. The increase in prices by 20% with pretty much the same quantity of traded items means that there was both a decrease in supply and increase in demand for PLEX over those 2 weeks.
It's also pretty funny that most ppl who are 100% sure there was no manipulation are from Goonswarm Federation. Do you guys have something to hide?
I agree that currently we have only indirect , presumptive evidence and that we don't have tools needed to gather all the necessary data. But that doesn't mean we should just ignore the problem. What happened looks really suspicious and should be thoroughly investigated by CCP. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1508
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Posted - 2017.03.17 20:37:15 -
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Since the microPlex will have a new use (direct use in aurum store) the value of plex should go up.
Moreover if csm knew ccp was going to delete huge amounts of aurum (all amounts less than 1000) that would also help the value of microPlex.
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
532
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Posted - 2017.03.17 21:00:03 -
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the cheaters who knew about this change knew it was coming and were buying up plex.. just so they can rob the entire community blind and afford those uber trinkets like the next XL drilling platform.
its all been a con... Burn Jita, Burn Amarr. burn them all with fiyaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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Disclosed Desire
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2017.03.17 21:33:22 -
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Why would they get rid of CSM now, it's been like this from the start but there is no incentive for anyone to stop.
CCP don't want to get rid of it - It's a relatively inexpensive marketing gimmick
CSM don't want to miss out on insider info + they get some small amount of influence. |
Cade Windstalker
1126
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Posted - 2017.03.17 23:35:49 -
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Girka Kring wrote:I've noticed that a lot of ppl are concerned with lack of change in PLEX volume over those 2 weeks that would correspond with the change in price. Therefore they come to a conclusion that the supply was lower and that caused the price increase.
It's funny cause every time they quote "economics 101" they kinda show that they have no idea what they are talking about. First check some basic supply & demand graphs. If the supply was lower, as you suggest, the prices would go higher but the volume wouldn't stay the same, it would decrease. The increase in prices by 20% with pretty much the same quantity of traded items means that there was both a decrease in supply and increase in demand for PLEX over those 2 weeks.
It's also pretty funny that most ppl who are 100% sure there was no manipulation are from Goonswarm Federation. Do you guys have something to hide?
I agree that currently we have only indirect , presumptive evidence and that we don't have tools needed to gather all the necessary data. But that doesn't mean we should just ignore the problem. What happened looks really suspicious and should be thoroughly investigated by CCP.
You just went full conspiracy nut here...
First off, anyone saying that this was caused by a supply contraction is just as bad at econ as you are. As several people have pointed out the quantity traded hasn't really changed too much. That said, there's generally a lot more PLEX listed than there is selling, and the PLEX market tends to be pretty volatile around patch time.
Let me repeat that again. The PLEX market tends to be pretty volatile around patch time. It dropped *more than* 300b after Citadel in the span of time you're pointing at a *less than* 200b increase and going "OMG leaks!"
Also it's not just people from Goons saying this is idiotic, anyone with decent knowledge of econ or the Eve PLEX market is pointing at this thread and laughing their butt off.
What happened here is normal post-patch speculation and volatility. It's not suspicious, it's normal.
You have taken two vaguely time related events and drawn a completely spurious correlation between them.
Now can we all go back to raging about the 1000AUR cutoff limit in the appropriate thread? At least that's justified and a more productive use of time than this econ 101 snipe hunt. |
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