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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.19 12:25:03 -
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Vigirr wrote:Most nullseccers are carebears + CSM has many null sec members = CSM caters to nullbears Nailed it.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.19 12:31:46 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Nate Hill wrote:It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death. No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.
Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters?
Heard of block voting? Null alliances can strongly encourage their members to vote for the preferred candidate. Just like real life politics it has become a game of backscratching between govt and the big powers.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.03.19 13:04:28 -
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Why would players vote if they are not interested in CSM or dont think CSM is really able to influence CCP minds about anything more than few favors for null blocks? And add to that that they dont know the candidates and dont want to learn anything about them. They are here mainly to shoot missiles at someone or something, to explore the depths of space, not make politics. -»\_(pâä)_/-»
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.19 13:47:58 -
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After election, there is no transparency.
We have no idea what CSM are saying, to whom.
There is no accountability to the EVE player base.
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dirge Azari
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.19 14:03:58 -
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The only way to make CSM work is to record it and upload it to youtube. Give it a 6 month delay to cover sensitive stuff.
But right now the CSM is corrupt as hell. (Ive had this confirmed by a former CSM member)
Other than a few exceptions (cloaked ships decloaking each other) the CSM has done jack **** for the player base.
Even at the best of times its nothing more than an excuse to ignore the wider comunity because "the CSM like it"
At worst its a tool for power blocs to gain insider knowlage |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1155
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Posted - 2017.03.19 14:47:38 -
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dirge Azari wrote:The only way to make CSM work is to record it and upload it to youtube. Give it a 6 month delay to cover sensitive stuff.
But right now the CSM is corrupt as hell. (Ive had this confirmed by a former CSM member)
Other than a few exceptions (cloaked ships decloaking each other) the CSM has done jack **** for the player base.
Even at the best of times its nothing more than an excuse to ignore the wider comunity because "the CSM like it"
At worst its a tool for power blocs to gain insider knowlage
old school son. There always benefit a huge corporation in this game. Always bin always is. Like the real world. $$$
All those "new" stuff broke the game even more. At the end. We know what`s going to happen. Yeah we can not point any fingers.
The question is how corrupt are those CSM members and some one is leaking info or selling. Not sure what. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1706
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Posted - 2017.03.19 14:48:01 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Nate Hill wrote:It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death. No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.
Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters? Heard of block voting? Null alliances can strongly encourage their members to vote for the preferred candidate. Just like real life politics it has become a game of backscratching between govt and the big powers. I suggest having a look at how exactly the votes are counted for Eve. Due to the system they use (google "Wright System" for details) it is quite difficult to have a couple thousand people cast ballots, neither of which ends up contributing to a candidate getting elected.
And even if Highsec somehow managed to coordinate in such a way that their ballots really end up not counting, then at least they would make the blocvote worth less, just by casting a ballot at all.
The mere fact that nullsec blocvotes are still so effective shows, that they make up a significant number of all voters, or in other terms, that the others aren't casting enough votes.
Now, I can imagine why that is - reading through 60-something candidates posts to find out who to fill your ballot with takes effort. More effort than not voting or just voting for a single candidate (which in most cases amounts to the same as not voting at all), and complaining afterwards that you aren't being represented. But if players can't even muster the effort of telling CCP who they want to see as their representative, then it's not their place to complain afterwards in my book. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.19 15:21:21 -
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There is no way of knowing who is what.
For all we know, 99% of the HS candidates, could be infact NS alts.
Making matters worse, there is no transparency on their actions after election, nor oversight, or culpability.
Even an initial HS CSM, can be subverted to NS interests, post election, and again, we have no means of knowing if it happened.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.19 15:30:12 -
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HELLO BOIZ!
i'm a CSM ALT legit! WTS reserved infos PM ME! today huge discount ~50% depending if you are a hot grill or not
jk pls no ban
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.19 15:38:24 -
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Soel Reit wrote:HELLO BOIZ! i'm a CSM ALT legit! WTS reserved infos PM ME! today huge discount ~50% depending if you are a hot grill or not jk pls no ban Atleast you are honest.
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Loutro Fift
The Killer Cockatoos Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2017.03.19 15:57:37 -
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Seriously?
Conspiracy theories about a game?
Volatility,,,it's a thing. Look it up.
Play the bloody game and shuddap. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.03.19 16:04:11 -
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Loutro Fift wrote:Seriously?.
Tell me honestly. How many people in your life, including politicians, do you trust?
And how many in EVE?
Remember one of the Golden Rules? "TRUST NO ONE"
That includes CSM.
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.19 16:44:42 -
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Loutro Fift wrote:Seriously?
Conspiracy theories about a game?
Volatility,,,it's a thing. Look it up.
Play the bloody game and shuddap.
cuz plotting against each other on the forum is not playing the game lmao the meta game of eve is actually NEVER UNDOCK and keep blabbering on the FORUM LEGIT |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.19 16:51:04 -
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Akane Togenada wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Nate Hill wrote:It does matter. Feedback without highsec PVE is leading EVE to death. No interesting highsec PVE contents can attract new players now.
Then Highsec dwellers should get off their bloody asses and vote! How hard can it be to outnumber a couple thousand nullsec voters? Although this is correct it doesn-¦t help them to vote unless they also get their people into the CSM. Otherwise it's just as in some real-life elections where you get to choose between a giant douche or a turd sandwich.
If you see no candidate worthy of your vote, present yourself. At least you should be worthy of your own vote right? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.19 17:02:21 -
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or you can join goons... and be told to who vote for |
Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.03.19 17:11:08 -
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Soel Reit wrote:or you can join goons... and be told to who vote for
It's less effort than reading through 60 candidates at least. Maybe politics in a game gives an advantage to the people who take the game the most seriously, at the cost of those more relaxed players. You could argue this is how it should be, but it creates a closed culture, an echo chamber.
Eve is an echo chamber, a safe space.
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Atomic Virulent
Dark Matter Industrial
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Posted - 2017.03.21 03:42:43 -
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CCP involved in giving their buds a heads up?
Naaahhh..
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Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
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Posted - 2017.03.21 06:28:25 -
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CCP are such an incredibly juvenile company. It is hard to believe that they have survived in the real world of commerce and law for as long as they have.
At the core of the failure of CCP rto shake it's reputation for bad character ios the inability of senior staff at CCP to comprehend the difference between in game role playing and the real world. Even in this thread, you will find numerous appeals to the idea that "Eve is all about scamming!", offered in defence of CCP leadership conduct.
With respect, that is about as sensible as excusing a movie director for mass murder because he is making a war film.
But the point is well made. It is a very real thing. CCP staff really cannot comprehend the difference between Eev and the real world. One pities them. It can't be easy. The real world is a big place. Eve is tiny.
It must be even worse for all the normal, adult workers at CCP. They know what goes on. They have to work with the petulant children. They know that they are second class citizens next to the protected children who destroy the firm's commercial potential for their teenager lols.
The owners will have real problems trying to sell this company, as it stands. The folks doing the due diligence (hi there!!) are going to see that the company is polluted by a lack of integrity and a real lack of maturity in the leadership. That always come from the same place: friends of the original owners. The owner can't get rid of them (might even owe them money), and doesn't want to. When the owner realizes that these "friends" are killing the enterprise, they try to sell.
Oh look! The owners of CCP are trying to sell.
Heads up: nobody wants your weird and corrupt little company as it stands. And if you cleaned house and put decent adults in charge, guess what?
You wouldn't be so keen to sell it.
Would ya?
Because it wouldn't be broken.
The only thing that fixes Eve is a structured buyout, with all the current shareholders displaced. That probably can't happen, because the problem people have cemented their rights, because, haha, they saw what was coming. A long time ago.
Still, it is fascinating stuff. Popcorn at the ready, I look forward to seeing how it all transpires. |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2017.03.21 06:50:40 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:CCP are such an incredibly juvenile company. It is hard to believe that they have survived in the real world of commerce and law for as long as they have.
At the core of the failure of CCP rto shake it's reputation for bad character ios the inability of senior staff at CCP to comprehend the difference between in game role playing and the real world. Even in this thread, you will find numerous appeals to the idea that "Eve is all about scamming!", offered in defence of CCP leadership conduct.
With respect, that is about as sensible as excusing a movie director for mass murder because he is making a war film.
But the point is well made. It is a very real thing. CCP staff really cannot comprehend the difference between Eev and the real world. One pities them. It can't be easy. The real world is a big place. Eve is tiny.
It must be even worse for all the normal, adult workers at CCP. They know what goes on. They have to work with the petulant children. They know that they are second class citizens next to the protected children who destroy the firm's commercial potential for their teenager lols.
The owners will have real problems trying to sell this company, as it stands. The folks doing the due diligence (hi there!!) are going to see that the company is polluted by a lack of integrity and a real lack of maturity in the leadership. That always come from the same place: friends of the original owners. The owner can't get rid of them (might even owe them money), and doesn't want to. When the owner realizes that these "friends" are killing the enterprise, they try to sell.
Oh look! The owners of CCP are trying to sell.
Heads up: nobody wants your weird and corrupt little company as it stands. And if you cleaned house and put decent adults in charge, guess what?
You wouldn't be so keen to sell it.
Would ya?
Because it wouldn't be broken.
The only thing that fixes Eve is a structured buyout, with all the current shareholders displaced. That probably can't happen, because the problem people have cemented their rights, because, haha, they saw what was coming. A long time ago.
Still, it is fascinating stuff. Popcorn at the ready, I look forward to seeing how it all transpires. HOLY that's a very nice post gg
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Veine Miromme
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2017.03.21 12:09:10 -
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I was going to vote for a pilot to be a new CSM member, however, he took on himself or others of his potential officer / secretary to remove some intellectual property I was working on for security.
So, it is not technically feasible.
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
539
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Posted - 2017.03.21 15:16:52 -
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CCP cant ever do things right because
"programming is too hard" now out of all excuses once you hear a game company say this.. why in the hell should someone invest in it.
you are ruined ccp, totally ruined, |
Veine Miromme
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2017.03.21 15:49:54 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote:CCP cant ever do things right because
"programming is too hard" now out of all excuses once you hear a game company say this.. why in the hell should someone invest in it.
you are ruined ccp, totally ruined, Where does it say that, that CCP said "programming is too hard" ?
Aside from you saying that they said that above, which is obvious.
Did they mean it's too hard for others? Since they obviously do programming. Besides, when people like a program, there is no code that makes them like it. They decide for themselves. and no-one can program them to do that.
If I do program for 20 years, and God knows I do, and no judge or not enough judge, or the people, want to protect my work in time, that is the people's decision. Why shouldn't I integrate it , take it into account, fear mongering is not exactly legal either. Hiding it certainly is not going to help.
Additionally , why not start a new thread about this (the ruined, selling, trying to sell the cie) since this is supposed to be a thread about getting rid of the CSM and a recent PLEX insider trading fiasco? ??
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
539
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Posted - 2017.03.21 16:11:05 -
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Veine Miromme wrote:Milla Goodpussy wrote:CCP cant ever do things right because
"programming is too hard" now out of all excuses once you hear a game company say this.. why in the hell should someone invest in it.
you are ruined ccp, totally ruined, Where does it say that, that CCP said "programming is too hard" ? Aside from you saying that they said that above, which is obvious. Did they mean it's too hard for others? Since they obviously do programming. Besides, when people like a program, there is no code that makes them like it. They decide for themselves. and no-one can program them to do that. If I do program for 20 years, and God knows I do, and no judge or not enough judge, or the people, want to protect my work in time, that is the people's decision. Why shouldn't I integrate it , take it into account, fear mongering is not exactly legal either. Hiding it certainly is not going to help. Additionally , why not start a new thread about this (the ruined, selling, trying to sell the cie) since this is supposed to be a thread about getting rid of the CSM and a recent PLEX insider trading fiasco? ??
they said that when it came to walking in stations, dust, and a host of other things. fail, fail, and more fail is ccp's legacy can only keep the hype going so long before reality sets in and folks who try it , catch onto the cash grab attempt. |
Veine Miromme
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2017.03.21 16:46:41 -
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Milla Goodpussy wrote: they said that when it came to walking in stations, dust, and a host of other things. fail, fail, and more fail is ccp's legacy can only keep the hype going so long before reality sets in and folks who try it , catch onto the cash grab attempt.
I think it's more a matter of the hardware running the program than the actual programming.
However, 1. They would have to resell the programming that isn't used, which is much easier said than done since most paid programming is only done on written contracts with specific offers to pay before the start of the coding or even the analysis phase of the program.
2. It does take more engineering or analysis to design programs that take into account lower hardware requirements. Most newer program just rely on newer hardware and make it impossible to work on lower-end systems.
3. How do you suggest to pay ? It seems the hype may be more to be hyped against it than for it.
If hype is reality than how do you describe reality which is made not to be out of hype to cover the hype behind it?
4. They do have legacy code. They care for it themselves at least in part, however, I know very little of their corporate structure and system. The only info that I know is not applied to the actual corporate players / participants. The only names that I have from the published into are not people I do contract with except as client. All the design I did was for my own use and no other companies ever paid me for it.
As soon as I even got an offer for a house or another offer for security, I was met with charges seeking seizure and forfeiture. Hardly the kind of condition good for my family in any generations. I might as well move to a country offering volunteer work or register in a slave labour program.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2621
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Posted - 2017.03.22 00:46:08 -
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OK, it is a slow day and I feel the need to post some observations about CCP and Eve. I do this as a long time player, a three time CSM member and the head of a dormant alliance with a catchy name! I also am a life time software engineer with some graphics cred. So here goes.
1. Eve began as a horrible piece of code to implement a pretty lame game.
2. Eve grew to be a much larger piece of horrible code but a game based on some interesting ideas. (don't get me wrong, there is some solid engineering in Eve these days!)
3. CCP has made efforts to make it less horrible code and as a result there are some things basically turned off or never likely to work correctly.
4. Eve has some continuity gaps in terms of game design and focus. There have been at least three waves of folks that I'm aware of that were the core of CCP when it came to driving Eve.
5. CCP has shown some ADD in terms of other projects. From a dead vampire game, Dust, partly finished walking in stations that leaves us with the captain's cell (highest ever resource utilization ever achieved by a single player - multiplayer game!) or Greed is Good. CCP can be scattered and it has cost it's core product. Eve. Those wasted resources could have been used to make Eve much nicer.
6. At its core Eve is the ultimate sandbox and a true player driven economy. It is this fact that keeps Eve alive but also the thing that will limit the actual size of Eve.
7. CCP clearly continues to struggle to find that thing that will take Eve to that next level whatever that means. So we FTP, microtransactions, Plexes and other experiments to ultimately boost CCP's bottom line.
8. CCP has a horrible history of completing whatever its new shiny is. Walking in stations, dead, moon mining revamp. dead, exploration and tourism as an Eve feature, dead, smuggling as an Eve feature, dead, major story line development based on player actions, dead, truly dynamic player driven actions that change Eve fundamentals like system security, dead, faction warfare, on life support, in game browser, dead twice, true ship personaliztion, dead... the list goes on. Take some time and really take a tour of the "verse" and you find tons of content left to rot. A lot of work went into things that never got developed or used.
9. The CSM was formed during a different time in CCP by folks that sadly are no longer involved. So the function of the CSM has changed. They really have been changed from watch-guards to bad idea faeries. But the presence of the CSM is one of the things that make Eve unique.
The players could change the nature of the CSM if they cared enough, but in the end they don't. In fact the number of Eve pod pilots that care enough to get involved in trying to bring about real changes to Eve fundamentals is small. That fact is sometimes hard to remember when posting a masterpiece of logical argument here in the forums. The few folks that are willing to commit the effort are pretty easy to spot in the game and generally well known.
10. The real way to create something different in Eve lies in some basics of human nature. Influence enough folks to support your ideas and you have a chance to make a change. We have some real examples of folks that have that skill set and SOV maps reflect the results. I've found my personal abilities and commitments probably peak at around 300 pod pilots or so paying some attention to what I'd come up with over longer periods of time and just enough for short periods of time to be elected to the CSM. I am in awe of folks that pull together the big alliances.
11. Finally I don't think Eve could have come from anywhere other than Iceland. CCP REALLY likes the basically enabling psychopaths shoot a stranger in the face element of Eve. It is the inner Viking I think. Unless CCP sees an opportunity to dramatically increase revenues by eliminating that cold lack of morals framework that shapes the verse that will stay baked in. Also remember if they were to become convinced to change the game so fundamentally they would need to do it in a way to not shoot themselves in the foot by alienating the cash flow they get now from folks that like that lack of a moral framework. In many ways it is that Eve lets out the worst of an individual that is core to many folks fondness of the game.
So what does that mean? Well if you want Eve to become another game than Eve is today (for example more single player high se PVE) I don't think you'll ever get it because there are too many people that seem to like it as is. And so far no one has come up with a plan to remove the dark heart and keep the patient alive.
Another observation. Eve is played at all manner of levels. I am playing one now! I am bloviating on the Eve forums. This is an element of Eve that has many fans! Eve gives a person a chance to face an infinite set of challenges based on how much they want to put into it on more levels and in more ways than any game short of real life has offered.
Does Eve have warts. Well, yes it does. Would my perfect Eve be different? Well, yes I'd have walking in stations, the pleasure hubs back, comets, smuggling, aliens, more high sec PVE, a framework to create a true player designed mission and a craft system that let me invent new classes of ships much like T3 but more. Would it be better? I have no idea. Is there enough.challenges in Eve to keep me coming back? Going on 12 years would say it looks like it does.
I'm happy a group of Icelandic Vikings decided to make a space game. Sometimes they do things that make me grumpy but I think that's just how they roll. So for now I choose to keep trying to find that way to do better than some other folks in a way that lets me sleep at night! |
Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
72
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Posted - 2017.03.22 04:23:49 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: lots of great and sensible things
Totally loving the management meta. Eve is worth subscription just to watch it struggle and fail on its own terms. You can't lose betting on CCP to fail. If they fail, you win. If they don't fail, Eve is getting better and so you win as a customer.
This is the secret key to winning Eve. We are basically paying for hope, or the comforting certainty of there being none. Either is a good deal for a few bucks a month.
Anyway, the owners of CCP declared open season on their current leadership by putting the whole shebang on the market. That's what you get, when you tell all that world that your folks are not interesting to you anymore.
That the work your folks do doesn't grab your attention like it used to do.
As customers, we are legitimate stakeholders in this enterprise model, and ought to have a voice about that, beyond simply paying or not paying.
Personally, I like the artwork. I think it has immense IP value, which is not to say that this equity wont get pissed up against a wall, left to die of exposure on the Icelandic Steppe, or otherwise ignored and forgotten by morons.
The lore is also good, or rather it was at one time.
Many parts of the customer service are also good. There are lots of good people working at CCP. The art directors carry the bag for the firm, however. Eve looks great, and always has. It's a big deal. So I think they are the only folks you would consider keeping, or at least, not opening their roles to market competition.You end up keeping heaps of folks when you restructure a bought firm, but you open up most jobs to the market to sort the wheat from the chaff.
In the end, very few folks make up the real intellectual potential and future equity in even a large firm. The folks at CCP who draw the pictures, and the story tellers they like, their intellectual friends who develop lore, those folks and their skill sets, and their temperament, seem to be the gold in CCP. They are why you would buy the rest of the firm.
I think that is borne out by the revenues and subscription model, too. CCP are basically a publishing house of theme art, like a comic book franchise.
As for the code and game mechanics......
Minesweeper and fleet battles defined by their rarity and lag.
It is like watching a desperate warthog get taken down by hyenas on the African plain. So much courage and ambition, so few tusks, so many dogs, so many teeth.
Imagine Eve, with the code done by folks who actually played games. Like, from the current era.
That is what we have to hope for, if and when someone with capital searching for a shelter gets involved.
I have a vision of Eve being a busy place, a place where you can log on and get into a roughly evenly matched small fleet battle within 5 minutes. I have a vision of being able to tell folks that Eve is where you come for space ship combat with lots of folks.
Wouldn't that be great? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
645
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Posted - 2017.03.22 04:27:34 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote: Wouldn't that be great?
no! Maybe! Yes! |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
354
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Posted - 2017.03.22 04:31:32 -
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Except that it won't ever play out that way. Even if the playerbase was 10 times what it is now. All it would mean is even larger fleet battles and even more lag. Because that is what the players have done. CCP has given us the tools to have large fights and they have given us the tools to have small ones. And especially recently they have been trying to tweek the game in ways that encourages the latter over the former without going so far as completely preventing the massive fleet battles (somehow) And yet, players still blob, the lag fest battles still happen, and solo and small gang roaming is ever on the decline. Because there is strength in numbers and players know that and don't like to loose.
The decline if small gang pvp and blob warfare is something we have done to ourselves. |
Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
6253
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Posted - 2017.03.22 05:48:27 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Sir BloodArgon Aulmais wrote:Plex prices go up and down all the time.
Proof? Or are you just spewing garbage. Check PLEX price history for last 3 days. Disturbing. I don't believe last patch had some much influence. Today we have devblog about PLEX changes. Price rising would start today not 3 days ago. It stinks, PLEX is bought with real money and CCP may have real problems with that situation.
What problem would that be? That the item you bought for real money would be worth more in game? That is bad how?
Edit: To be clear: the people losing out on this price increase are not people buying PLEX for RL money. Nor is it people currently holding PLEX. The people who lose out are those who are going to be buying PLEX for ISK after after the price started going up in game.
Seriosuly, learn to think thing through in a rational and based on solid economic theory not some bullshit nonsense.
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Teckos Pech
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.03.22 05:57:33 -
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Professor Push wrote: GÇ£People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.GÇ¥
GÇò Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations
Execellent, bringing up Adam Smith, but.....
Who loses on this? People buying PLEX for RL money and selling them for ISK? No.
People who are holding PLEX? No.
People who have lots and lots of ISK and are looking to buy a PLEX to extend their account? Yes.
So you are butthurt over rich, long term players with a large pile of ISK.
Wow....people upset over the mega rich in game. WITF?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
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