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Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:31:00 - [1] I just got back and there doesnt seem to be any privateer activity. I used to like their wars all over. It brought back skirmish warfare to the universe instead of capital ship zergs. It wasnt like going to 0.0 where you get zerged, with them I could usually find a fair fight, even in t1 ships. So what happened, why doesn't there seem to be any privateer activity? I can't find any in Jita and systems around it. I wanted to do some skirmish with a new stealth bomber build since they usually had some inties out around there. Did something change?
Michayel Lyon The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:33:00 - [2] CONCORD got greedy. --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions GM Xamother: "Beeing online is not considered harassment or exploit."
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 18:33:00 - [3] This is why: PLEASE NOTE: Concord war fees have changed to the following, please see this Dev Blog and forum thread for further information and discussion- * Fees for starting and maintaining wars are directly proportional to either the number of wars your corporation or alliance is engaged in, or the number of wars the victim is engaged in. Previously only the number of wars the victim was engaged in was taken into consideration. * If the victim is involved in wars they did not initiate, those wars are counted towards the number influencing the cost of this war. If the instigator is also involved in wars they initiaged, those wars are also counted. The higher of the two is used to determine the multiplier to the base cost, for example: if your corporation is involved in two wars your corporation initiated, a third war declaration will cost 3 times as much. The same criteria applies to continuing wars: War are billed weekly based on the number of active wars at the time of billing. An example: * Alliance A starts a war with alliance B: 50M. * It then starts a war with with alliance C: 100M. * Then next week it is billed for 200M, 100M for wars with both B and C (two outstanding wars). * If C receives war declarations from two other alliances before the week is over, the bill will be 150M. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:04:00 - [4] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/05/2007 19:04:15 Privateers made safe space into unsafe space and that wasnt appreciated by most. CCP changed the war dec fees and now empire is like disney again, and people can go back to their mindless grinds... Privateers showed how 0.0 would be if it didnt have gate camps, bubbles etc. They logged in for a few hours of casual ganking of everyone they saw fit (in empire). It wasnt honorable and they become hated by a lot of people because they picked on the weak. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:07:00 - [5] Originally by: Kate Nexus I just got back and there doesnt seem to be any privateer activity. I used to like their wars all over. It brought back skirmish warfare to the universe instead of capital ship zergs. It wasnt like going to 0.0 where you get zerged, with them I could usually find a fair fight, even in t1 ships. So what happened, why doesn't there seem to be any privateer activity? I can't find any in Jita and systems around it. I wanted to do some skirmish with a new stealth bomber build since they usually had some inties out around there. Did something change? Hello Propoganda ALT its nice to see the Privateers are still trying to change things back. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/05/2007 19:06:34 Privateers made safe space into unsafe space and that wasnt appreciated by most. CCP changed the war dec fees and now empire is like disney again, and people can go back to their mindless grinds... Privateers showed how 0.0 would be if it didnt have gate camps, bubbles etc. They logged in for a few hours of casual ganking of everyone they saw fit (in empire). It wasnt honorable and they become hated by a lot of people because they picked on the people who had their pvp flag off. Anyway, I kind of liked it, but I know its not a popular opinion around here. That's probably the best summary of the Privateer "problem" I've heard. /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Sexy Schoolgirl	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:20:00 - [7] PA only succeded in showing how easy the manipulation of game mechanics can be. I praise CCP for taking strides to shut down these lame tactics that have unrealistic counters. Next steps... the afk cloaker and the nano weeny.
Kahrek Laume Gallente Mirage Industries	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:22:00 - [8] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/05/2007 19:06:34 Privateers made safe space into unsafe space and that wasnt appreciated by most. CCP changed the war dec fees and now empire is like disney again, and people can go back to their mindless grinds... Privateers showed how 0.0 would be if it didnt have gate camps, bubbles etc. They logged in for a few hours of casual ganking of everyone they saw fit (in empire). It wasnt honorable and they become hated by a lot of people because they picked on the people who had their pvp flag off. Anyway, I kind of liked it, but I know its not a popular opinion around here. Highsec still is not all that safe, there just will not be massive gatecamps catching dozens of easy targets :) you will see more small corp PVP action in empire though as the bloodthirsty dec carebear corps to get their fix.
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Kahrek Laume Highsec still is not all that safe, there just will not be massive gatecamps catching dozens of easy targets :) you will see more small corp PVP action in empire though as the bloodthirsty dec carebear corps to get their fix. One can only hope /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Plasticine Perfection	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl PA only succeded in showing how easy the manipulation of game mechanics can be. I praise CCP for taking strides to shut down these lame tactics that have unrealistic counters. Next steps... the afk cloaker and the nano weeny. PA showed how easily CCP bend over and placacte those who whine the loudest. Next steps, well, whatever the forum whiners decide they want to throw their toys out of the pram about next.
JADE DRAG0NESS Bright New Dawn Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:28:00 - [11] Originally by: Plasticine Perfection Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl PA only succeded in showing how easy the manipulation of game mechanics can be. I praise CCP for taking strides to shut down these lame tactics that have unrealistic counters. Next steps... the afk cloaker and the nano weeny. PA showed how easily CCP bend over and placacte those who whine the loudest. Next steps, well, whatever the forum whiners decide they want to throw their toys out of the pram about next. Ahh another PA alt. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:32:00 - [12] Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Ahh another PA alt. Yeah, because if anyone disagrees with your position he must be a Priv alt. Guess I am a Priv alt too... /Ki Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
SleepingBuddah	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:34:00 - [13] The OP is trolling I think.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:38:00 - [14] Privateers have to begin cycling their declarations to keep cost down, allowing their targets some breathing room, much like they allowed their own members this, them cycling in and out of Privateers at will.
Portios Smith DNR	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:43:00 - [15] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/05/2007 19:06:34 Privateers made safe space into unsafe space and that wasnt appreciated by most. CCP changed the war dec fees and now empire is like disney again, and people can go back to their mindless grinds... Privateers showed how 0.0 would be if it didnt have gate camps, bubbles etc. They logged in for a few hours of casual ganking of everyone they saw fit (in empire). It wasnt honorable and they become hated by a lot of people because they picked on the people who had their pvp flag off. Anyway, I kind of liked it, but I know its not a popular opinion around here. LMAO. I wonder how long before the ghaybears cry the game into having a pvp flag This sig was made for hijack - Timmeh I am getting tha nerf bat and the mods wont stay out of my sig :(
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 19:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Kahrek Laume you will see more small corp PVP action in empire though as the bloodthirsty dec carebear corps to get their fix. Yeah, this is going to be fun. I love popping eggs in Empire. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:13:00 - [17] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 02/05/2007 20:09:46 Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/05/2007 19:06:34 Privateers made safe space into unsafe space and that wasnt appreciated by most. CCP changed the war dec fees and now empire is like disney again, and people can go back to their mindless grinds... Privateers showed how 0.0 would be if it didnt have gate camps, bubbles etc. They logged in for a few hours of casual ganking of everyone they saw fit (in empire). It wasnt honorable and they become hated by a lot of people because they picked on the people who had their pvp flag off. Anyway, I kind of liked it, but I know its not a popular opinion around here. Meh. I liked it. No cap ships or gatecamps (ok maybe some but no chokepoints). It was some really fun PVP. Empire turned from a boring grind to an exciting lively place fast. I finally had a use for my combat ships. I cant do 0.0 because the cap ship game is way over my head (im not in bob), gate camping is boring, and fleet war is so laggy and lacking any kind of viable tactics/skills, so this is was the only PVP I could really do and it was so fun! I wish I could still fight the privateers now but all their war decs are gone
babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:14:00 - [18] Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl PA only succeded in showing how easy the manipulation of game mechanics can be. I praise CCP for taking strides to shut down these lame tactics that have unrealistic counters. Next steps... the afk cloaker and the nano weeny. yup, then no guns, drones and launchers cos they like, you know, hurt stuff
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:17:00 - [19] Seems like there are still plenty of war targets out there to me. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Sexy Schoolgirl	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:28:00 - [20] Originally by: babylonstew Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl PA only succeded in showing how easy the manipulation of game mechanics can be. I praise CCP for taking strides to shut down these lame tactics that have unrealistic counters. Next steps... the afk cloaker and the nano weeny. yup, then no guns, drones and launchers cos they like, you know, hurt stuff LOL, i thought the other guy who quoted me was lame, but silly me as I read on... you're reply was even lamer! hehe.
Portios Smith DNR	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:35:00 - [21] Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl Originally by: babylonstew Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl PA only succeded in showing how easy the manipulation of game mechanics can be. I praise CCP for taking strides to shut down these lame tactics that have unrealistic counters. Next steps... the afk cloaker and the nano weeny. yup, then no guns, drones and launchers cos they like, you know, hurt stuff LOL, i thought the other guy who quoted me was lame, but silly me as I read on... you're reply was even lamer! hehe. So far in this thread, no one is lamer than you. By a long way! This sig was made for hijack - Timmeh I am getting tha nerf bat and the mods wont stay out of my sig :(
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:36:00 - [22] I'm in a post-mortem Privateers thread. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Dr Shameless Skull Soft Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:40:00 - [23] they still can disband the alliance, wardec each other and make it mutual so they dont pay much. But guess fighting against competent targets isn't "fun" so this ain't gonna happen.
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.02 20:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Kate Nexus I just got back and there doesnt seem to be any privateer activity. I used to like their wars all over. It brought back skirmish warfare to the universe instead of capital ship zergs. It wasnt like going to 0.0 where you get zerged, with them I could usually find a fair fight, even in t1 ships. So what happened, why doesn't there seem to be any privateer activity? I can't find any in Jita and systems around it. I wanted to do some skirmish with a new stealth bomber build since they usually had some inties out around there. Did something change? Empire is supposed to be "mostly safe". Privateers turned it into "mostly unsafe". CCP fixed it. However they can't seem to fix the whine leak. It continues to dribble on.
Lt Angus Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Dr Shameless they still can disband the alliance, wardec each other and make it mutual so they dont pay much. But guess fighting against competent targets isn't "fun" so this ain't gonna happen. coz like that is so funny they should do that its such a good idea never been propossed before Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Vactet Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.05.02 21:42:00 - [26] I have never been in PA, never will be in PA. My corp has never been in PA. Just wanted to get that out of the way first before some pansy with no better retort came along with "You're a PA alt". PA Showed what could be done with a little imagination and some money. They also broke many a glass house of those who are too afraid to go out of empire. And dont try to argue it isnt fear. It definately aint money since its better in lowsec/nosec. The folks who stick 100% to empire had this nice little glass house gaurding their glass idea of being totally safe. Its kinda like in life when people go throughout it with the thought that nothing will happen to them because the police will save them. Yeh well i carry twin 1911's in real life because thats the smelliest load of bs ever. PA shattered their glass houses and their glass ideal's and they whined for it to be fixed. Never asking themselves how to fix it for themselves. When my corp was in an alliance called Ethereal Dawn (Hope i spelt that right, i never do for some reason), the alliance was wardeced by PA. Did we whine/cry/complain? Nope, the resounding phrase on vent was "Sweet, empire targets". Mind you, ED, the allinace, is a 0.0 alliance. We camped many a gate and many a station where we had found a PA member then promptly shot em down. The alliance didnt get alot of kills as only a few people took the nasty trip from 7-K region to Jita area, but we didnt cower. And that gets me going to my next point. Why is it that everyone is so upset when their normalities are shattered? Why do they go look to daddy (CCP) to do something about it? Too weak yourself? Whose problem is that...not CCP's. Point is. All this anti PA stuff is annoying because in the grand scheme of things, they performed a much needed service. They got people's heads out of the sand for once, a feat that I dont think will be seen for a while to come again. -.- Signature got removed. It seems my views are not politically correct enough, oh noes what a travesty... Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:03:00 - [27] Originally by: Vactet stuff No, they didn't break the Empire players' little glass houses. What the PA did was basically get a license to go into every 7-11, every grocery store and every library and gun down the people that worked there. Had they stayed with deccing only "the big 0.0 Alliances" like they claim this alteration would never have happened. But having shoot rights on 70k players with 149 wardecs going on is hardly part of the description that CCP has for a wardec. They found a loophole, they got greedy and they got squashed. Empire dwellers are the ones in Eve that appreciate civilization. They like their little rules and laws. They PREFER to play in "safer" areas or they would be in lowsec or 0.0 shooting back. CCP obviously felt that there should be "safer" areas also, as depicted in the player's guides and tutorials. Hence they fixed an oversight in the wardec system. The PA can still wardec Southland Corporation and go shoot the 7-11 clerks, but they have to pay more for the privilege if they also want to gank Safeway and the NYC Municipal Library at the same time. Just because you like to pew pew at everything doesn't mean your average citizen of EvE does. shrugs After seeing Privateers camping every gate in HighSec that I have taken any of my characters through in the last 4 months I am glad to see them go and was hardly surprised when the nerf was announced. <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:05:00 - [28] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 02/05/2007 22:01:07 Quote: Empire dwellers are the ones in Eve that appreciate civilization. And the ones in 0.0 building empires don't? - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Talon Aidian Skill Level Six Ground Zeero	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:19:00 - [29] Originally by: Vactet PA Showed what could be done with a little imagination and some money. They also broke many a glass house of those who are too afraid to go out of empire. And dont try to argue it isnt fear. It definately aint money since its better in lowsec/nosec. The folks who stick 100% to empire had this nice little glass house gaurding their glass idea of being totally safe. Its kinda like in life when people go throughout it with the thought that nothing will happen to them because the police will save them. Yeh well i carry twin 1911's in real life because thats the smelliest load of bs ever. Well, there seems to be alot of whining on both sides of the issue, eh? So, if we can get beyond the 5-year old players and get down to the nuts and bolts, let's do so. EVE is, like many other multi-player games, two games in one that exist side-by-side. There is the PVP game, and the PVE game. Some players prefer one, while others perfer the other. The games that provide both allow a player to choose which way they will go, and EVE goes even further by allowing both to overlap (PVPs can attack players in Empire by wardecing them, while PVE are somewhat protected in lowsec space by Global Criminal rules), but the seperation of the two is necessary to keep both types of players playing the game. What the Privateers did was to expose that the seperation between these two sides of the game was faulted, and they were willing to utilize several game mechanics to take advantage of this. CCP looked over the situation and the course warfare was taking across EVE (battles where hundreds of ships involved became the norm and not the exception), and decided this was not how they wanted their game played (and, yes, it is -CCP's- game, not the players). If they want an area of the game where new players or those wishing not to PVP can play, then they certainly have the right to change the game for that, and the only alternative to a 'soft' solution (one that is player-driven) is the 'hard' solution of jettisoning one or the other player base from the game by either doing away with Empire space, or removing PVP from the game entirely. Both are also their rights, though either would radically change the game, if not kill it altogether. What it boils down to is that the game changed, and, as the previous poster was so adamantly in favor of, players simply have to change with it. Note that if this solution does not have the desired effect, CCP will likely change it again, possibly even further along this road. As the issue involves hard performace issues with hardware as well as player preferences, the entire situation may change no matter what anyone wants, and we'll have to change again.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:21:00 - [30] Originally by: Crumplecorn Edited by: Crumplecorn on 02/05/2007 22:01:07 Quote: Empire dwellers are the ones in Eve that appreciate civilization. And the ones in 0.0 building empires don't? Do they? Or are they more interested in power and destroying someone else's empire? Think about your question and tell me exactly how much of the actions of the 0.0 alliances like BoB, LV or Ragoon are actually to "improve", tame and civilize 0.0 for the benefit of all. First thing to do is look at their NBSI policy..... <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Exlegion New Light KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.02 22:29:00 - [31] Edited by: Exlegion on 02/05/2007 22:31:36 Originally by: Kate Nexus I just got back and there doesnt seem to be any privateer activity. I used to like their wars all over. It brought back skirmish warfare to the universe instead of capital ship zergs. It wasnt like going to 0.0 where you get zerged, with them I could usually find a fair fight, even in t1 ships. So what happened, why doesn't there seem to be any privateer activity? I can't find any in Jita and systems around it. I wanted to do some skirmish with a new stealth bomber build since they usually had some inties out around there. Did something change? Kate, You can still find Privateers in empire space and you can still request a war with them. They just can't declare war on most (if not all alliances) in empire. Additionally, I can give you low sec locations where I can guarantee you PVP if you like :) I know because every time I set foot on these systems there are PVP'ers looking for me :) Also, don't be afraid to post with your main. For someone that has been zerged in 0.0 and can fly stealth bombers it surprises me a bit that you're unable to find low-number PVP in low sec. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.05.02 23:06:00 - [32] carebear patch 2.1.6 came out Tho shall give Life, for Life.
PuncherDavis	Posted - 2007.05.02 23:15:00 - [33] Guess the whole point is who cares its done NEXTT!!!!!! Also I see more PVP players whining now days then carebears....U sure were not seeing a role reversal here.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.05.03 00:52:00 - [34] starcraft is fun ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.03 01:17:00 - [35] Man, Privs was like a fat kid who ate 7 course meals for a year then got told he had to slim down and act like he had a SMIDGEN of self-restraint. Naturally, they are throwing a tantrum. A hissy-fit as we call it down here.
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 01:37:00 - [36] Originally by: Soporo Man, Privs was like a fat kid who ate 7 course meals for a year then got told he had to slim down and act like he had a SMIDGEN of self-restraint. Naturally, they are throwing a tantrum. A hissy-fit as we call it down here. mmmmmmm Cake SKUNK
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.05.03 09:26:00 - [37] Originally by: Le Skunk mmmmmmm Cake SKUNK and beer pie
Mangus Thermopyle Chosen Path FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 09:40:00 - [38] There is plenty of PvP available in 0.0, so if privateers only look for PvP they can go there. The problem for privateer is that they dont like targets that shoot back, which means 0.0 is out of the question.
Per Kopfhurer Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 09:40:00 - [39] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Soporo Man, Privs was like a fat kid who ate 7 course meals for a year then got told he had to slim down and act like he had a SMIDGEN of self-restraint. Naturally, they are throwing a tantrum. A hissy-fit as we call it down here. mmmmmmm Cake SKUNK Chocolate cake, chocolate cake, have ye any nuts?
iinlin Amarr Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 10:02:00 - [40] Originally by: Per Kopfhurer Chocolate cake, chocolate cake, have ye any nuts? Ffs, kladdkaka! The only way to fly.... I mean eat cake.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.05.03 10:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle There is plenty of PvP available in 0.0, so if privateers only look for PvP they can go there. The problem for privateer is that they dont like targets that shoot back, which means 0.0 is out of the question. ive been to 0.0, you just get zerged by carriers
Lt Angus Caldari OctoberSnow Corp	Posted - 2007.05.03 10:44:00 - [42] Privateers love targets that dont fight back the almost 10,000 losses were all concord im sure, and plenty of pvp in 0.0? I feel sorry for everyone that missed out on the party, you may never experiance what plenty of pvp looks like Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Johnny Gurkha Villains	Posted - 2007.05.03 11:13:00 - [43] Our corp was a member of Privateers for about a week and my only real memories of being a member were chasing shuttles about and running into Drakes when you undock in a frig... I can't imagine how things are now, maybe Priv's should come to low sec for their pew pew instead
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:01:00 - [44] Edited by: DarkMatter on 03/05/2007 11:59:25 I think the change shows that PA were exploiting the system... For months they defended their exploiting actions, even though they knew they were wrong... This just proves that they and all those who were defending them were wrong, and are nothing but griefing chumps... Just like we all knew they were... It's sad CCP can't do a better job and see this stuff coming, or fix it more quickly instead of allowing asshats to ruin the game for months at a time... But the DEV's are quite dense like that... They have to let griefing continue on for months or even years before they finally come up with a solution... Probably so they can join in the fun for a while... Building the homestead
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:13:00 - [45] The fact that it was changed doesn't mean it was griefing. Nor does it even mean it was broken. It simply means it was not what they wanted in Eve. - You keep using that word . . . I do not think it means what you think it means
Drasked North Face Force Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:29:00 - [46] Look ma!! im in a Phoenix Alliance thread!!
hedfunk Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 12:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle There is plenty of PvP available in 0.0, so if privateers only look for PvP they can go there. The problem for privateer is that they dont like targets that shoot back, which means 0.0 is out of the question. I'm sure the many dedicated and well known PvP corps, such as Beyond Divinity and Captain Morgan's society joined Privs for targets who don't shoot back, huh?
Exlegion New Light KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:06:00 - [48] And low sec is out of the question why? It wouldn't surprise me if the OP is a Privateer in disguise pushing the "Privateers were about honest even-numbered PVP" rhetoric. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Jessica Lorelei Minmatar Vitae Mecha	Posted - 2007.05.03 13:28:00 - [49] Originally by: Kate Nexus Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle There is plenty of PvP available in 0.0, so if privateers only look for PvP they can go there. The problem for privateer is that they dont like targets that shoot back, which means 0.0 is out of the question. ive been to 0.0, you just get zerged by carriers thats blatantly wrong i lived in 00 for about 1 year, i never got zerged by anything let alone carriers. infact i barely saw another soul. -NEVER CONFUSE OPINNION WITH FACT-
RU Sirius Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 18:13:00 - [50] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/05/2007 19:06:34 Privateers made safe space into unsafe space and that wasnt appreciated by most. CCP changed the war dec fees and now empire is like disney again, and people can go back to their mindless grinds... Privateers showed how 0.0 would be if it didnt have gate camps, bubbles etc. They logged in for a few hours of casual ganking of everyone they saw fit (in empire). It wasnt honorable and they become hated by a lot of people because they picked on the people who had their pvp flag off. Anyway, I kind of liked it, but I know its not a popular opinion around here. What utter *******s. All PA have done since the wardec nerf is camp the Vale exit/entrance to empire. All they did before it was empire gank, we never saw them in 0.0 until recently.
Aille Pluthrak Caldari Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 18:22:00 - [51] Originally by: DarkMatter For months they defended their exploiting actions, even though they knew they were wrong... This just proves that they and all those who were defending them were wrong, and are nothing but griefing chumps... Yeah, I'm a griefer. But I am never wrong when it comes to what I do in this game. I am still going to keep doing it. ---------------------- Boom goes the ship! Squish goes the pilot!
Rover Vitesse Gallente FinFleet	Posted - 2007.05.03 18:35:00 - [52] Originally by: Kate Nexus Meh. I liked it. No cap ships or gatecamps (ok maybe some but no chokepoints). It was some really fun PVP. Empire turned from a boring grind to an exciting lively place fast. I finally had a use for my combat ships. I cant do 0.0 because the cap ship game is way over my head (im not in bob), gate camping is boring, and fleet war is so laggy and lacking any kind of viable tactics/skills, so this is was the only PVP I could really do and it was so fun! I wish I could still fight the privateers now but all their war decs are gone Simply declare war on Privateers yourself if you really wish you could still fight....but wait a minute! You've been in Caldari Provisions for 8 months and 17 days!
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.03 19:12:00 - [53] Originally by: RU Sirius What utter *****s. All PA have done since the wardec nerf is camp the Vale exit/entrance to empire. All they did before it was empire gank, we never saw them in 0.0 until recently. Your time line is a bit off. We did the 0.0 empire building before** the high sec ganking. Who do you think built that cozy outpost in C-F? "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.03 19:22:00 - [54] Originally by: Kate Nexus Originally by: Mangus Thermopyle There is plenty of PvP available in 0.0, so if privateers only look for PvP they can go there. The problem for privateer is that they dont like targets that shoot back, which means 0.0 is out of the question. ive been to 0.0, you just get zerged by carriers Depends on who you get zerged by. The Goonies swarmed me in Cormorants. <3 Destroyers. Nice to see'em in action like that. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.05.03 19:37:00 - [55] People need to stop referring to Privateer's as PA. Just because you don't remember Phoenix Alliance doesn't mean that the rest of us don't. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Severra Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.03 19:48:00 - [56] Originally by: Vactet PA Showed what could be done with a little imagination and some money. They also broke many a glass house of those who are too afraid to go out of empire. And dont try to argue it isnt fear. It definately aint money since its better in lowsec/nosec. The folks who stick 100% to empire had this nice little glass house gaurding their glass idea of being totally safe. Point is. All this anti PA stuff is annoying because in the grand scheme of things, they performed a much needed service. They got people's heads out of the sand for once, a feat that I dont think will be seen for a while to come again. Erm. Yeah. This is ironic, because in all my travels, 100% of the Privateers I've seen have been in empire. Yes, throwing a wrench in the works of alliances thinking they're untouchable is funny. No, propagandizing and self-aggrandizing yourselves to make it seem daring and how ya 'took it to the carebears' in some meaningful crusade is not funny, nor true. It's like a large scale version of can-flipping. "oh, that's neat," and then pay it no further attention. If you'd like to think, "omg i r so leet, ccp changed0rz ze game," yes, they changed it because PA was lagging up empire gates and Jita 4-4. Congrats, you were mosquitos. Now your swamps have been effectively sprayed. Now go eat a cookie or something. TOOKURSTUFF For all your (ore) thieving needs.
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 20:31:00 - [57] I love the smell of ganked hauler in the morning.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.05.03 20:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Hllaxiu People need to stop referring to Privateer's as PA. Just because you don't remember Phoenix Alliance doesn't mean that the rest of us don't. PAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPAPA Not that I'm their biggest fan, but I am that kind of bastard. This is my sig, there are many others just like it. With me, my sig is worthless. Without (or with even) my sig, I am worthless...
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 21:17:00 - [59] Edited by: Le Skunk on 03/05/2007 21:13:27 Originally by: Severra Originally by: Vactet PA Showed what could be done with a little imagination and some money. They also broke many a glass house of those who are too afraid to go out of empire. And dont try to argue it isnt fear. It definately aint money since its better in lowsec/nosec. The folks who stick 100% to empire had this nice little glass house gaurding their glass idea of being totally safe. Point is. All this anti PA stuff is annoying because in the grand scheme of things, they performed a much needed service. They got people's heads out of the sand for once, a feat that I dont think will be seen for a while to come again. Erm. Yeah. This is ironic, because in all my travels, 100% of the Privateers I've seen have been in empire. Yes, throwing a wrench in the works of alliances thinking they're untouchable is funny. No, propagandizing and self-aggrandizing yourselves to make it seem daring and how ya 'took it to the carebears' in some meaningful crusade is not funny, nor true. It's like a large scale version of can-flipping. "oh, that's neat," and then pay it no further attention. If you'd like to think, "omg i r so leet, ccp changed0rz ze game," yes, they changed it because PA was lagging up empire gates and Jita 4-4. Congrats, you were mosquitos. Now your swamps have been effectively sprayed. Now go eat a cookie or something. Strange interpretation. From an alt of course. LOL I wondered waht was causing lag in the game - It was us I now know. Silly Privateers We were sprayed by a change in a couple of lines of code by someone at CCP watching his wallet and throwing his ethics out the window No alliance managed to spray us - some came quite close to having an effect. The anti privateer intel channels multiplied and becamn inefective. The anti privateer alliance never sprung up. The loot thieves though horribly annoying, were welcome in that they were an ingame manifestation of resistance. Enemy Alliance blobs were evaded and occasionaly smashed. I was looking forward to the end of this 'great' war and see if the extra combat pilots freed up could bring us down. But no - a bunch of whiners bent CCPs ear so hard - it pulled them down to their level. But anyhows its done now - tbh I dont know why im still talking about it - i cant resist responding to the same things ive been respnding to for 6 months i guess. We can say what we like: we were undefeated, and changed the game, and ran a crusade or whatever. By now it falls on either supportive or unfrienldy ears. I think people have made up their minds by now. What is true though - i hear it time and time again - people in our alliance saying it was the one of the best times they have ever had in the game. The most fun. And you missed it. SKUNK
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.03 21:31:00 - [60] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/05/2007 19:06:34 Privateers made safe space into unsafe space and that wasnt appreciated by most. CCP changed the war dec fees and now empire is like disney again, and people can go back to their mindless grinds... Privateers showed how 0.0 would be if it didnt have gate camps, bubbles etc. They logged in for a few hours of casual ganking of everyone they saw fit (in empire). It wasnt honorable and they become hated by a lot of people because they picked on the people who had their pvp flag off. Anyway, I kind of liked it, but I know its not a popular opinion around here. No gate camps? LOOOL I never foudn aprivateer doing anythign else than gate camping.... If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Exlegion New Light KnightRaven Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.03 21:46:00 - [61] Edited by: Exlegion on 03/05/2007 21:44:51 Edited by: Exlegion on 03/05/2007 21:43:44 Originally by: Le Skunk But no - a bunch of whiners bent CCPs ear so hard - it pulled them down to their level. I take it you're just referring about the non-Privateer whiners here? Because if you are you've just cut about half of the whining that goes on in the forums. Let me know if you'd like me to dig some of the latest ones up. I have a few minutes to kill. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Guru
Badhands Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.03 22:24:00 - [62] Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Originally by: Plasticine Perfection Originally by: Sexy Schoolgirl PA only succeded in showing how easy the manipulation of game mechanics can be. I praise CCP for taking strides to shut down these lame tactics that have unrealistic counters. Next steps... the afk cloaker and the nano weeny. PA showed how easily CCP bend over and placacte those who whine the loudest. Next steps, well, whatever the forum whiners decide they want to throw their toys out of the pram about next. Ahh another PA alt. You people are so ignorant... I support the Privateers 100%. I've never BEEN a Privateer. I've never had a character in the Privateers... god forbid someone just hates the idea of CCP caving to a bunch of fat gits (foolish or contemptible persons). .
Ebedar Gallente Primary Intelligence	Posted - 2007.05.03 22:24:00 - [63] Some Privateers I respect, others I don't. Captain Morgan Society I do. Le Skunk I do. The ones I don't I won't bother to mention. But to you all I say the same thing: Do what you want 'cos a pirate is free - you are a pirate! It was a fun ride while it lasted, even if I didn't take part in it overtly. I fully expect the price of salvage components to go up now there are fewer wrecks about ;) Drone Calculator
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.03 23:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Le Skunk Strange interpretation. From an alt of course. LOL I wondered waht was causing lag in the game - It was us I now know. Silly Privateers We were sprayed by a change in a couple of lines of code by someone at CCP watching his wallet and throwing his ethics out the window No alliance managed to spray us - some came quite close to having an effect. The anti privateer intel channels multiplied and becamn inefective. The anti privateer alliance never sprung up. The loot thieves though horribly annoying, were welcome in that they were an ingame manifestation of resistance. Enemy Alliance blobs were evaded and occasionaly smashed. I was looking forward to the end of this 'great' war and see if the extra combat pilots freed up could bring us down. But no - a bunch of whiners bent CCPs ear so hard - it pulled them down to their level. But anyhows its done now - tbh I dont know why im still talking about it - i cant resist responding to the same things ive been respnding to for 6 months i guess. We can say what we like: we were undefeated, and changed the game, and ran a crusade or whatever. By now it falls on either supportive or unfrienldy ears. I think people have made up their minds by now. What is true though - i hear it time and time again - people in our alliance saying it was the one of the best times they have ever had in the game. The most fun. And you missed it. SKUNK Gads, would you like some cheese with that? Seriously Le Skunk, up until know I have respected what you have said and your actions even if I didn't agree with them. Don't drop to the same level as the other PRVTR whiners about being nerfed, you KNEW it was comming. Once the Privateers started taking individual contracts instead of their sworn enemies and started doing their 149 WarDec "sprees" and claiming to be preparing to do more it was obvious that your actions didn't match what CCP intended for the WarDec system to mean. I wish I could have the original TS or EvEmail logs when the Privateers was being formed, I'm sure the question came up several times as to whether CCP would allow this play style or not. <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Sarf Asgard Industries	Posted - 2007.05.03 23:15:00 - [65] I would like to see a fight club flag: Level 0 - Just like empire space now. Level 1 - Anyone marked lv 1 or above can attack you, the combat ends when you hit 50% structure. Your ship will not explode, and all harmful effects come off you. A message is broadcast to all in system that XXX has defeated YYY in a fight club match. Level 2 - Your ship can be destroyed but you can't be poded. Level 3 - Full PvP combat, you can be podded. Level 4 - Full PvP combat, no insurance payout on ship loss. By default everyone is set to lv 0, and you can only attack someone that is set to lv 1 or higher, They type of combat that is allowed is the lowest of the the peoples fight club level. You are prevented from changing your fight club level outside of a station. This would allow for people that want unlimited PvP and those that don't or only want limited. - Sarf Director of Freighter construction. Miner of small balls of dirt.
Severra Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.05.04 00:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Le Skunk Strange interpretation. From an alt of course. LOL I wondered waht was causing lag in the game - It was us I now know. Silly Privateers We were sprayed by a change in a couple of lines of code by someone at CCP watching his wallet and throwing his ethics out the window No alliance managed to spray us - some came quite close to having an effect. The anti privateer intel channels multiplied and becamn inefective. The anti privateer alliance never sprung up. The loot thieves though horribly annoying, were welcome in that they were an ingame manifestation of resistance. Enemy Alliance blobs were evaded and occasionaly smashed. I was looking forward to the end of this 'great' war and see if the extra combat pilots freed up could bring us down. But no - a bunch of whiners bent CCPs ear so hard - it pulled them down to their level. But anyhows its done now - tbh I dont know why im still talking about it - i cant resist responding to the same things ive been respnding to for 6 months i guess. We can say what we like: we were undefeated, and changed the game, and ran a crusade or whatever. By now it falls on either supportive or unfrienldy ears. I think people have made up their minds by now. What is true though - i hear it time and time again - people in our alliance saying it was the one of the best times they have ever had in the game. The most fun. And you missed it. SKUNK Alt? You're an idiot. I couldn't possibly be an ore thief that would prefer not to get war decced. Nahhh... Nobody came after you because you were not worth their time. You're right, though. I missed all the sitting on gates, bored out of my skull. Oh well. TOOKURSTUFF For all your (ore) thieving needs.
Flaming Lemming	Posted - 2007.05.04 00:46:00 - [67] Originally by: Sarf I would like to see a fight club flag: Level 0 - Just like empire space now. Level 1 - Anyone marked lv 1 or above can attack you, the combat ends when you hit 50% structure. Your ship will not explode, and all harmful effects come off you. A message is broadcast to all in system that XXX has defeated YYY in a fight club match. Level 2 - Your ship can be destroyed but you can't be poded. Level 3 - Full PvP combat, you can be podded. Level 4 - Full PvP combat, no insurance payout on ship loss. By default everyone is set to lv 0, and you can only attack someone that is set to lv 1 or higher, They type of combat that is allowed is the lowest of the the peoples fight club level. You are prevented from changing your fight club level outside of a station. This would allow for people that want unlimited PvP and those that don't or only want limited. I hope you have a flame-retardant suit on, because this could get nasty. I'm an empire-hugging, mission-whoring carebear, and I think that idea sucks. High-sec is designed to be safer, NOT safe! During the Great Privateers War, I ws decced, so I adapted..no missions out-of-system unless I had friendy intel saying it was safe to fly...Only flew level 4 missions if no wartargets in system...did level 3's otherwise. The EvE-universe in a cold and harsh place. You don't have to like it, but you damn well should accept it. I'm just an Alt....but my main doesn't have a sig either. there's no such thing as bad press
Le Skunk Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.04 00:51:00 - [68] Edited by: Le Skunk on 04/05/2007 00:50:44 Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Originally by: Le Skunk Strange interpretation. From an alt of course. LOL I wondered waht was causing lag in the game - It was us I now know. Silly Privateers We were sprayed by a change in a couple of lines of code by someone at CCP watching his wallet and throwing his ethics out the window No alliance managed to spray us - some came quite close to having an effect. The anti privateer intel channels multiplied and becamn inefective. The anti privateer alliance never sprung up. The loot thieves though horribly annoying, were welcome in that they were an ingame manifestation of resistance. Enemy Alliance blobs were evaded and occasionaly smashed. I was looking forward to the end of this 'great' war and see if the extra combat pilots freed up could bring us down. But no - a bunch of whiners bent CCPs ear so hard - it pulled them down to their level. But anyhows its done now - tbh I dont know why im still talking about it - i cant resist responding to the same things ive been respnding to for 6 months i guess. We can say what we like: we were undefeated, and changed the game, and ran a crusade or whatever. By now it falls on either supportive or unfrienldy ears. I think people have made up their minds by now. What is true though - i hear it time and time again - people in our alliance saying it was the one of the best times they have ever had in the game. The most fun. And you missed it. SKUNK Gads, would you like some cheese with that? Seriously Le Skunk, up until know I have respected what you have said and your actions even if I didn't agree with them. Don't drop to the same level as the other PRVTR whiners about being nerfed, you KNEW it was comming. Once the Privateers started taking individual contracts instead of their sworn enemies and started doing their 149 WarDec "sprees" and claiming to be preparing to do more it was obvious that your actions didn't match what CCP intended for the WarDec system to mean. I wish I could have the original TS or EvEmail logs when the Privateers was being formed, I'm sure the question came up several times as to whether CCP would allow this play style or not. Edam? Gouder? Forgive me a slight cheesy tone - I keep trying to stick in some melodramatic soliloquay (spelling?) before vamooshing away from the boards. I tire a little of repeating the same things over and over and as i said in my tearjerker "We can say what we like... By now it falls on either supportive or unfrienldy ears. I think people have made up their minds by now." So no need to regurgiate. There was no TS or Evemail logs as far as I am aware. I believe our founder was told ' you cant do nothing about it' by some evil alliance blowhards - and so he went away, thought about it, decided ther was soemthing he could do - and did it. Whilst there was always the knowledge that CCP had shown in the past they listen to the relative few on the forums depending on how many time the can type the same thing per hour - I can honeslty say, the 6 months it took them to do anything about it gave hope they were willing to back up their grandious claims of 'freedom' in the game. Anyhows - Im a betrayed man... Spurned by CCP. Im off to smoke a big fat cigar, on a swing in the middle of a misty park, the dew sparking in the moonlight - a small cat - my only companion. My head low.... A single tear.... rolling down my cheek. "why ccp....... why did you do it...... You Maniacs! You blew it up. YOU BLEW IT ALL TO HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL" SKUNK
Sarf Asgard Industries	Posted - 2007.05.04 00:54:00 - [69] Note I said LV 0 is just like empire space now. If you set your fight club setting higher, it makes empire space less safe. It gives people that like the current safer empires space that security, and those that want to go all out in 100% PvP that option. It also allows for betting the farm, so to speak, you can chose to fight to the obvious winner, or go all out and risk it all, no insurance payout. If you win, you win, if you lose you are out the ship, and the isk. I think it would add more PvP to empire space. - Sarf Director of Freighter construction. Miner of small balls of dirt.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.04 00:56:00 - [70] Originally by: Sarf I would like to see a fight club flag: That isn't a bad idea at all. I've been on both sides of PRVT. Fighting them made me a better player over all by forcing me to learn basic operational security. It put actual risk in the risk vs. reward equation. Fighting with PRVT changed the way I play the game. It made me realize that losing a ship in a good fight was just as much fun as getting the kill. On the negative side it does make the advantage of vets who have ISK to blow millions on an hour of fun and those who are still trying to get into their first battleship bigger then it already is. I can understand why it was changed. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.04 06:15:00 - [71] Originally by: Le Skunk Anyhows - Im a betrayed man... Spurned by CCP. Im off to smoke a big fat cigar, on a swing in the middle of a misty park, the dew sparking in the moonlight - a small cat - my only companion. My head low.... A single tear.... rolling down my cheek. SKUNK That almost brought a tear to my eye, ALMOST A classy whine full of character is always appreciated, much better <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2 PvE and/or PvP is not something that appeals to the entire player base
Lord DeFault Minmatar Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.05.04 06:34:00 - [72] Die, Die and be forgotten. The PrePatch Day song
djenghis jan Amarr Debiloff's Vanguard	Posted - 2007.05.04 08:12:00 - [73] Ok, well its over. Although i liked it towards the end when there were even solo skirmishers instead of the usual station gank tactics, I am glad its over. So looking back at it i must say that the impact was rather large. So maybe what we need is a more gradual smear in the security reagions with lots of low sec and a lesser sec hit for attackers. As it is now its uber-concord in high sec and (tankable) gate centries in 0.4 and below. Maybe we need a situation where we have concord like it is now in 1.0 and in 0.6-0.5 only a few ships and in 0.4 and below a only a few cruisers. The insurance contract system could then be changed into a mafia style protection system where concord ships warp in and assist but are not unbeatable. If you pay more insurance the concord response is stiffer. Of course this is just a drone bay expander but it could have a positive effect. This would mean the attacker needs to take a risk, the miner can still solo mine and have a chance. Of course it would mix pvp and pve and could lead to creative thinking and so on, but just to get the discussion going.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:08:00 - [74] You all know it's true Tho shall give Life, for Life.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.04 16:30:00 - [75] I guess if Skunk said CCP tossed their ethics out the window.. it's true.... Actually.. I think Skunk/Privateers were trying to impose their game style on CCP/Eve/Everyone Else and and now they have to adapt to the Game as the Game just adapted to them. (Yes.. all props given to your style/ideas/whatever) If you want PvP all the time for "Zero Reasons", then Mutual War Dec other corps/alliances and have fun. This doesn't have to change much at all. Just some fewer targets... I guess that is something to concerned about for that style of play, but not much really. If you want to war dec someone for a reason, then do it.. spend the ISK and FEEL the risk involved in your corp/Alliance having to strain to maintain a war.... like... everyone else. I enjoyed the few Empire Wars I was involved in, but to do it ALL the time was not what I signed up for Eve for. I wanted to have fun.. literally... "working" in a fictional environment that was expansive and complicated. "Working" includes fighting wars, Pirates, mining, hauling, trading, military and whatever else there is. This is what I think a LOT of players signed up for. No Empire is not SAFE, but to fight there, a corp/Alliance must feel the strain of multiple wars on their wallets in order to get the full experience of warfare. Enjoy Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Portios Smith DNR Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.04 17:16:00 - [76] Originally by: Sarf I would like to see a fight club flag: Level 0 - Just like empire space now. Level 1 - Anyone marked lv 1 or above can attack you, the combat ends when you hit 50% structure. Your ship will not explode, and all harmful effects come off you. A message is broadcast to all in system that XXX has defeated YYY in a fight club match. Level 2 - Your ship can be destroyed but you can't be poded. Level 3 - Full PvP combat, you can be podded. Level 4 - Full PvP combat, no insurance payout on ship loss. By default everyone is set to lv 0, and you can only attack someone that is set to lv 1 or higher, They type of combat that is allowed is the lowest of the the peoples fight club level. You are prevented from changing your fight club level outside of a station. This would allow for people that want unlimited PvP and those that don't or only want limited. Like old Evil Thug used to say... DIE!!! This is king of the ghay. never seen a post worst than it, and I've seen pretty bad ones before but this one takes the cake. You dude suck hard. The veld must be rotting your brain. This sig was made for hijack - Timmeh I am getting tha nerf bat and the mods wont stay out of my sig :(
GimmeeThat	Posted - 2007.05.04 17:30:00 - [77]

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